why the hell does everyone like lelouch so much he's a prick.

Red_Keys said:
Lol, go read shakespeare or something and learn about tragic heroes.

TobiOrNotTobi said:
He controls people making them his fans by using his geass.

NatalieS499 said:
You do realize the Light wanted to become a god right? He killed for that, That is like the stupidest reason ever and selfish. Let me tell you something sure Lelouch might have been A TINY BIT selfish, but who isnt? Humans are not beings that just do everything for someone else, And why would he do the things he did for area 11? I mean what did they do for him? And if he did do it for them I would never have watched the series in the first place. Explain it to me again how is wanting the world to be perfect for your sister selfish?
Oh and after he let Euphie die would you have liked him to just stop doing what he was doing to clear her name? So all those people who died would have died for nothing? really are you fuckin serious? He couldn't do anything about that as his Geass took control for a sec so in the end all he could do was continue with his goal as I'm sure Euphie would have wanted. And no offense but for all the people he killed (It was a revolution and it was reshaping Japan and Britannia death is expected) He saved 10x the amount in the future, He gave people the present and the future. Oh and what tragedies did Light go through to make him want to be a God,kill and control? NONE so he doesnt have one reason to kill. Remember that even though he did most of it for Nunnaly in the end he realized he needed to finish what he started for not only nunnaly but everyone else as well.. OH and let me remind you that Light's Journey ended in death because he became crazy and things would just go back to normal, While Lelouch's Journey ended in death however he created the future in his death, He created the world he and many others wished for.And light showed no emotions for his family or ANYONE so how the hell can you like him? Sigh some people...

Tylerr said:
feels like you stopped watching the show at r1 or something.

And almost his entire family were all complete douchebags and deserved to die, especially clovis. The man ordered a massacre just to cover up his dealings with C.C.

Euphie and Cornelia are pretty much the only exceptions, but he never meant to kill Euphie and let Cornelia live.

As for the whole light comparison its hardly the same thing, even if he did accomplish lowering crime rates its only short term, eventually people will figure out hes gone.

Animefreak17a said:

And lelouches plan to expel everyone's hatred would only be temporary and people would continue to look for someone to blame and hate cause that's what humans are like.....we find someone to blame and when that group or person is gone people will look for the next person or group to hate and blame

azzuRe said:
I'm not really fond of Lelouch, but I can see why people respects his attitude. For me the only thing worth saving from Code Geass is Nina's table, that poor thing didn't even make it to the credit roll.

Animefreak17a said:
More like you don't agree with what I have to say because ether you don't like light and maybe a lelouch fan boy.....or even worse a near fan boy.......

laldonkaments said:
To create a peaceful world for Nunnally to live in was just a pretense for his revenge on Charles & Britannia for most of the series. Apparently he had a change of heart somewhere between ep.15-21 in R2. Then he tried to make the best out of the shit he has done until this point (which resulted in a quite foolish conclusion imo, but that's another matter).

Is that enough to redeem himself? Naaah, no way. He has used and destroyed so many lifes on his path. And the disturbing thing is not the fact THAT he did it, but the way HOW he did it: Forcing people to go against their principles, beliefs, love and loyalty in the most cruel way. Another thing that annoyed me throughout the series is his lack of honor: He challenges opponents multiple times (Suzaku, Cornelia, ...), only to set them up (Sayoko, Darlton, ...). I can't remember a 1on1 where he won fair & square without his Geass (except chess). It's like Charles said, he mainly consists of "cheap tricks" like "schemes, plots, surprise attacks".

In retroperspective he acted quite awesome and entertaining at times, but character-wise he's just an arrogant prick with an infinite amount of false pride and no shred of honor. He threw the whole world in turmoil without consulting his little sister even once in the process - which probably would've prevented that whole mess. And in the end he even couldn't grant her simple wish of living a peaceful life with her onii-san. Tragic? Yes. Hero? No.

Botato said:
More like you don't want to agree with what anyone has to say because you are a Kira fanboy and even worse a Lelouch hater.

naens said:
Because he's the first on the Favorite page in MAL. Same reason why L, Luffy and Light are popular.

Animefreak17a said:
So.....you like him because his popular?!?!?

Animefreak17a said:
I just don't get it

1 - He murders he's sister and let's everyone believes she's a murderer and he does nothing to clear her name.
2 - He makes Shirley forget who he is and what he did to her father He is indirectly responsible for her death.
3 - He uses people like pawns both enemies and allies.
4 - He's responsible for killing millions of people and ruining there lives.
5 - He's inconsistent
6 - He has a loli sister complex
7 - He uses the knights for he's own uses and not for there reasons
8 - He is arrogant and two faced.
9 - He betrays he's other sister who loved him
10 - He doesn't come clean that everything was his fault.

I honestly have no idea why people likes this guy I honestly dont.

I just down right hate him

He does it all for him self and not for anyone else's needs

Animefreak17a said:
1 yeah but he lets everyone think she's a killer which she wasn't. I know it was an accident I know that 100% I know he didn't mean to do it.....but he wanted her to shoot him in order to get people on his side that's how desperate he was, to make his own sister look like the bad guy ........despicable I tell you..........And he does shit to clear her name...... I bet you any amonte of money if nunnally was framed like how euphy was he'd do everything in his power to clear her name.........again despicable.

2 I said it was indirectly his fault for keeping rolo, and he didn't want her to get in the way of his plan so like a coward he made her forget......how the hell making her forget it was him that killed her father the pains still there......And yes he did care for her but instead of saying .....I'm sorry and owning up to it and let her pass judgement on him he makes her forget.....again using his power on his friends and allies.........fucking coward.

3 but he does it not for the good of area 11 but for him self and he had it coming after the find out he's the one who was using them for he's petty petty petty petty revenge against his daddy.

4..............a few useless pieces?!?!?!........even if there innocent.........!?!?!?! You sound like a villain.

5 yeah but a arse hole human humans are pricks anyways

6 yep and he'd kill millions for her even if there innocent lives just for her.

7 yeah but they turned on him after they find out he was using him they thought he was doing it for them but wasn't and its awesome how they did it..............the knights turn on the prick who had thousands killed at the stadium hahaha

8 same as 5

9 no he didn't he wanted to use her as a hostage .......Cornelia li Britannia I mean.....he didn't care about her.

10 yeah he is killed and good riddance....he didn't own up to anything he just made him self the bad guy and again didn't come clean what he did as zero.

This is fact

Animefreak17a said:
1 it was still thanks to him

2 just to satisfy him self

3 yeah for to have people on he's side and nothing more

4 villain

5 I understand him clearly and again he does it for him self

6 doesn't make it right.....I bet she'd kill her self if she found out he destroyed millions of lives for her

7 bollocks they turned against him because he was using them and for what happened at the stadium........If he was controlling them they wouldn't of betrayed him........again bollocks so no lelouch had it coming............And they betrayed him to get Japan back too...................same as my last answer.

8 again

9 he didn't care about her again

10 but its a false hope and again good riddance.


What a fan boy you are.... I mean look at your avatar..........lelouch fan girl....there's nothing likeable about him.

Put your self in the shoes of the loved ones who have died thanks to lelouch ....which was millions of people

Euphys loved ones
Shirleys family and friends
The people who lost there lives thanks to leouch if they found out who was to blame would you let them kill lelouch........I'd say go for it.......again

Good riddance

bladeangel said:
Because Lelouch is basically what I wish Light Yagami had been like. It wasn't long before I realized Light was disillusioned and that he was never going to stop killing people to achieve his "perfect" world. Light was the ultimate deceptive selfish dickhead. Light wasn't even an anti-hero, he was just evil trash. I mean, if u still have doubt just look towards the end where he said he plans to kill the "lazy" people as well.

Lelouch on the other hand was not disillusioned in his goals, and although they were born out of selfish desires/revenge, he eventually grew a lot wiser and less self-oriented in season 2. Lelouch was also very human in the sense that he cared for plenty of people and struggled when his mistakes affected them (or killed them). He's a perfect anti-hero, having done questionable deeds in order to fullfil his own causes, but growing from them to help others.

laldonkaments said:
To create a peaceful world for Nunnally to live in was just a pretense for his revenge on Charles & Britannia for most of the series. Apparently he had a change of heart somewhere between ep.15-21 in R2. Then he tried to make the best out of the shit he has done until this point (which resulted in a quite foolish conclusion imo, but that's another matter).

Is that enough to redeem himself? Naaah, no way. He has used and destroyed so many lifes on his path. And the disturbing thing is not the fact THAT he did it, but the way HOW he did it: Forcing people to go against their principles, beliefs, love and loyalty in the most cruel way. Another thing that annoyed me throughout the series is his lack of honor: He challenges opponents multiple times (Suzaku, Cornelia, ...), only to set them up (Sayoko, Darlton, ...). I can't remember a 1on1 where he won fair & square without his Geass (except chess). It's like Charles said, he mainly consists of "cheap tricks" like "schemes, plots, surprise attacks".

In retroperspective he acted quite awesome and entertaining at times, but character-wise he's just an arrogant prick with an infinite amount of false pride and no shred of honor. He threw the whole world in turmoil without consulting his little sister even once in the process - which probably would've prevented that whole mess. And in the end he even couldn't grant her simple wish of living a peaceful life with her onii-san. Tragic? Yes. Hero? No.

Animefreak17a said:

1 and thank God he did pay for it........ otherwise I'd of gone ape shit......fucker had it coming

bladeangel said:


haha i guess you won't be glad to know that he didn't actually die. Its just like in episode 1 where C.C.took a bullet to the face...and she came back. If you backtrack the series and examine the rules of geass and how people with geass can become immortal, it's most likely that Lelouch became immortal himself towards the end of the anime. Hence why C.C. is addressing him in the last scene. plz feel free to do go ape shit now

Sparteh said:


And I was going easy on him and tried to hide this idea. You just hit him below the belt

Sparteh said:
I don't need to prove that you are wrong. You are doing that yourself but haven't realized it yet. With every line you just prove that you are to emotional about this (but I don't get it why). You are just trying to make arguments prove your opinion even if that means twisting them a little. When you wrote that you can just talk as well I will simply point out that you have been doing that since very beginning.

Well I admit that I failed to play with you a little, but I will still point that I have never said that he was still alive. I just mentioned that there was idea like that. If you look back you will clearly see that I said that Lelouch paid for what he did.
Also this childish way of insulting calling us fan boys is just pathetic. When I read it I feel like in grade school over again.

No as far as Lelouch goes unlike you I am not gonna attack your opinion anymore. Now it is obvious that no matter what I will write it will be pointless.

IF you actually care this is what I think and why I like Lelouch:

He is complex character who had many bad experiences during his life. He made tons of mistakes, experienced a lot of pain, but still continued to move forward no matter what happens. Unlike many idiotic main characters he is smart and continues to achieve what he wants no matter what have to do. Even if that means lying, deceiving and sacrificing thousands and even millions of people. Tricking them with simply lies or with careful schemes, using them as chess pieces. Just to achieve his goal. That's what I actually like about him. It is shown that unlike most characters in anime or even most people in real world that guy understood reality of this world.

You said that we could be friends if not this. That's not true. According to most people I know I am cruel, realistic, emotionless, calculative and lack empathy. Compared to me most people look like crybabies and I dislike emotional people like you.

bladeangel said:
If I remember correctly, when asked, the creator did say that Lelouch had died, but that it was open to interpretation as to whether or not he became an immortal being like C.C. He can't just give us the answer, the question makes the ending that much more epic.

and yea WTF OP, you make a forum topic about this and all you seem to say is "IDC about other ppl's opinions, blah blah must be fanboys" if they contradict your own. Hell, I think you contradict yourself the most! You say you hate Lelouch for the bad things he's done and how he's selfish and yet you have FUCKING LIGHT YAGAMI listed as your favorite character... why??

Animefreak17a said:


Because I agree with his ideals

http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DI7NWtNwzgdg&sa=U&ei=rx_tU8jmIuve7Abf9IDYCw&ved=0CB8QtwIwAg&sig2=RplNQdbbc7p5cgdqn2FAmg&usg=AFQjCNGrpTuDP0RrT5uLhsEyDhhnPfX4Tg

bladeangel said:


I didn't disagree with his ideals and what he was doing at first, but he went overboard with it and his character was made so despicable that it's impossible that he was doing this for the sake of the world.

Did you pay attention to the part towards the end where he says he's still not happy with the world and plans to go after the lazy people as well? I don't think he was ever going to be satisfied and stop killing people, i think he was doing all of it for himself (kinda like lelouch). Last I checked, Light also killed tons of innocent people (not just bad guys) and he showed 0 resentment throughout.

Animefreak17a said:


Like?.......last I saw it was the people who was.trying to find him and that's it

Animefreak17a said:

Then you are a villain and as we all know villains are always wrong.

Il give you that he is a complex character, that he has had a hard life, and other shit like that......but that doesn't mean he's right

What about other people who don't like him what do you say to them

bladeangel said:
Fair enough, although Lelouch wasn't the only one in the anime to blame for the war casualties (Britania, Japanese terrorists). Lelouch merely manipulated both sides to carve his way towards revenge. The britanians were already killing millions before he even got his Geass power, but yeah Lelouch was linked to more deaths than Light, but you gota take into account the war, giant robots, and nuclear bombs.

and Light wasn't doing the whole killing thing only to better the world, he saw himself as the chosen one and wanted to become the god of his new world. Pretty selfish if you ask me.

I guess I was never really against the stuff he was doing as far as killing criminals went, but i rather hated him as a person which is why I didn't trust where his actions were heading. I think the world would have eventually gone to shit if he had lived.

Sparteh said:


And do you understand why villains are portrayed as wrong? In reality there is no right and wrong. There are only choices and consequences. For some they might be helpful and are good, for others they are harmful aka bad. When 2 forces collide the one that wins becomes right and the one that loses becomes wrong. In other words those who win becomes heroes that are right and those who loses becomes villains that are wrong.

That is why you can only declare that he was wrong from your perspective.

Animefreak17a said:


What about isis in Iraq they have buried innocent people alive and killed hundreds of people just because they didn't follow the sunni way of islam........even going as far as killing there fellow Muslims who are of a diffrent sect just because they aren't from the sunni sect.......

If they won would you consider them hero's or maniacs that got the upper hand
What about Hitler he killed millions of people BECAUSE he believed Germans was the master race and killed those who he believed wasn't German was impure........is that a hero or a psychopath.

Well......

Sparteh said:


From their perspective - yes they are. But lets take Hitler as example. He ordered to do many cruel things like that, but for some reason over 80% of time he is the only one blamed for it. What about those who fought against him? Are they heroes? Of course not. Soviets are did equally big crimes, but since they were on winners side no one judged them. Same goes to all countries who participated in the war. If we go back in time same thing can be applied to all relegious groups. Millions of people were tortured to death but since it was majority now only historians actually care about that.

You see wars happen when all sides believe that they are fighting for just cause, when from their perspective they are right.