'Junjou Romantica' to Get Third Season

mk64 said:


Akihiko rapes Misaki? First of all a handjob isn't rape according to the legal defintion, and then Misaki says that "it feels good" (page 26 on mangafox, certainly you know that rape doesn't "feel good", yes?) and THEN, page 50, Volume 8, chapter 2 - act 12 on mangafox, that no forcing ever occurred. Are you going to tell Misaki he's wrong now? He's an adult of healthy body and mind, I'm sure he can decide for himself whether he was forced or not. Please, don't bring up abuse or Stockholm Syndrome because I don't want you to make yourself look ridiculous by showing you how there's no condition here that allows abuse or Stockholm Syndrome to happen. No, wait; please do that because I can't wait to prove you wrong.

That is not how it would work in real life? Good thing this deliciously smutty romance comic plays on an extremely common sexual fantasy for women, then. Please, read these links and educate yourself on the subject of female psychology and sexuality:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?pagewanted=all
http://ravishment.wordpress.com/tag/rape/

But wait, I'll make it easier for you and copypaste the most interesting part:

"Counselors are taught about “ravishment” fantasy which is what most women actually want.

For the latest report (Bivona, J. and J. Critelli. “The Nature of Women’s Rape Fantasies: An Analysis of Prevalence, Frequency, and Contents,” Journal of Sex Research (2009) 46:33), psychologists at North Texas University asked 355 college women: How often have you fantasized being overpowered/forced/raped by a man/woman to have oral/vaginal/anal sex against your will?

Sixty-two percent said they’d had at least one such fantasy. But responses varied depending on the terminology used. When asked about being “overpowered by a man,” 52 percent said they’d had that fantasy, the situation most typically depicted in women’s romance fiction. But when the term was “rape,” only 12 percent said they’d had the fantasy. These findings are in the same ballpark as previous reports.

Rape fantasies can be either erotic or aversive. In erotic fantasies, the woman thinks: “I’m being taken and I enjoy it.” In aversive fantasies, she thinks: “I’m being forced and I hate it.” 45% of the women in the recent survey who had fantasies said that they were entirely erotic. 9 % were entirely aversive.

Marta Meana, a psychology professor at the University of Nevada, offers an arguably more disturbing theory. She points to research suggesting that 1) “in comparison with men, women’s erotic fantasies center less on giving pleasure and more on getting it”; 2) “as measured by the frequency of fantasy, ************ and sexual activity, women have a lower sex drive than men”; and 3) “within long-term relationships, women are more likely than men to lose interest in sex.” These and other findings fit her theory that female desire is driven by “being desired.”

So does reproductive logic, according to Chivers:

[O]ne possibility is that instead of it being a go-out-there-and-get-it kind of sexuality, it’s more of a reactive process. If you have this dyad, and one part is pumped full of testosterone, is more interested in risk taking, is probably more aggressive, you’ve got a very strong motivational force. It wouldn’t make sense to have another similar force. You need something complementary.

A symbolic scene ran through Meana’s talk of female lust: a woman pinned against an alley wall, being ravished. Here, in Meana’s vision, was an emblem of female heat. The ravisher is so overcome by a craving focused on this particular woman that he cannot contain himself; he transgresses societal codes in order to seize her, and she, feeling herself to be the unique object of his desire, is electrified by her own reactive charge and surrenders. … [Meana] spoke about the thrill of being wanted so much that the aggressor is willing to overpower, to take.

Does this mean women want to be raped? No. Both theories assume the opposite. And that’s a pretty safe assumption, given the logical impossibility of willing a violation of your will. The challenge is to explain the data on rape fantasies and arousal from sexual assault, given that nobody literally wants to be raped. What part of rape or the idea of rape is arousing? And what part of the woman is aroused?

The theory, which Meana frankly calls narcissism, posits a clear answer. We generally define rape as sex against the victim’s will. But a woman mentally aroused by a sexual assault fantasy isn’t thinking about the victim’s will. She’s thinking about the perpetrator’s. She’s imagining being wanted. That’s what she wants—and the fact that she wants it exposes the fantasy, by definition, as not really rape. The imaginary act arouses her not because the woman in the scenario doesn’t want it, but because the man does.

It's dangerous to call things rape, that are not in fact rape, it sends out a message that somehow on some level people want and accept it."

If you need me to cite you more parts because you refused to read, just ask!

It's not a stupid trope at all. It's an extremely satisfying and harmless outlet for a lot of women's (and some men's too, I bet) sexual and romantic fantasies of being desired. You don't share the fantasy? Too bad, doesn't make it any less valid for those who do.

Are you going to say that's "rape culture" and "harmful to society"? But it's not, no more than first-person shooters are murder culture and harmful to society. May I quote you what RAINN said:

https://rainn.org/news-room/rainn-urges-white-house-task-force-to-overhaul-colleges-treatment-of-rape

"In 16 pages of recommendations, RAINN urged the task focus to remain focused on the true cause of the problem. “In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campuses. While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important to not lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime,” said the letter to the task force from RAINN’s president, Scott Berkowitz, and vice president for public policy, Rebecca O’Connor."

I don't care for "healthy", I'm already in my 30s and I already know what's good and what's bad for me. What I want is a good, interesting, entertaining, fulfilling story, and Nakamura-sensei always delivers perfectly on that. I don't really care for any of the works you mentioned, for me they do absolutely nothing.