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Apr 14, 2014 9:33 PM

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i think it is weakness for all people
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i guess daria would say that ^^
Apr 14, 2014 9:52 PM
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Crying is a sign of tears.
Apr 14, 2014 10:01 PM

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BryanBossling said:
Lime_ said:
And you still need a source, Bossling, they've recently relaxed women not being in infantry roles in the Marines -- you're telling people to go look up outdated regulations not allowing women into specific military roles and using that as proof? . . . lol
Actually, I didn't mention anything about regulations. I just asked people to look up women in the army in general.

http://www.livescience.com/433-ouch-women-feel-pain.html

http://www.livescience.com/10707-study-women-sensitive-stress.html

Lime_ said:
I could say the opposite of everything you just said and sound just as accurate, the earth being round is definitely not a good analogy here
It is the perfect analogy to make.

That study was done on rats, not human beings -_-
Apr 14, 2014 10:08 PM

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Both. If you cry too much, people will use this to their advantage but if you cry too little, you have less sympathy. You need to cry out the right amount of tears.


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xshizuneix said:
Both. If you cry too much, people will use this to their advantage but if you cry too little, you have less sympathy. You need to cry out the right amount of tears.
Yeah like cry in a cylinder and measure your tears.
Apr 14, 2014 10:14 PM

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Emotions have nothing to do with strength or weakness, because they are not something you have conscious control over, and anyone who claims otherwise is a moron.

Granted, you can suppress physical reactions to emotions, and in some cases it's for the best (you really shouldn't kill someone, even if they make you so mad that you want to) but in other cases, it's really unhealthy (if you're embarrassed to smile because you think you look like an orangutan, showing way to much of your upper gums, it's because "normal" smiles are fake... just look at their eyes).

So then the question becomes whether or not it's healthy to suppress crying... and there are far too many different emotions that can cause a person to cry for a simple answer... shit, crying can even be caused by physical stimuli (dicing onions, stubbing your toe, etc) instead of emotions... in which case, it's also not something you can consciously control.

A few major points, though:

If you cry every time you don't get your way, because people usually feel sorry for you and give you what you want, then you should be ashamed of yourself.

If you don't cry when someone you love dies, you either didn't really love them, or you seriously need to swallow your pride.

If you cry in response to something that should make you feel happy, then you need to find a new group of people to associate with.
Apr 15, 2014 3:26 AM
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depends on the situation.
Apr 15, 2014 3:42 AM

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It really depends. Crying can indicate humility, remorse and empathy, which are all good traits to have, but someone who cries a lot could also just be very weak.
Apr 15, 2014 3:44 AM

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Crying is for the weak!! yeah Im edgy as fuck!!
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Apr 15, 2014 3:52 AM

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It all depends on the situation I guess, but, perhaps our eyes need to be washed by our tears once in a while, so that we can see life with a clearer view again.
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BryanBossling said:
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If not fear, then what?

Why should they not in general?
Because it's unmanly.

If a man cries from a sprained ankle, then that is a sign of weakness. Men like to avoid looking weak.


Manliness is overrated~ Shed some tears with me brah T^T
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Apr 15, 2014 4:24 AM

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sargos7 said:

If you cry in response to something that should make you feel happy, then you need to find a new group of people to associate with.

Really? You know tears aren't limited to situations in which you're supposed to feel sad, right? I mean, you could cry when something you worked your ass off for finally comes true, or something like that.
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Kellhus said:
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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Sapewloth said:
sargos7 said:

If you cry in response to something that should make you feel happy, then you need to find a new group of people to associate with.

Really? You know tears aren't limited to situations in which you're supposed to feel sad, right? I mean, you could cry when something you worked your ass off for finally comes true, or something like that.
I cry when I yawn too hard.
Apr 15, 2014 4:31 AM

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cabacc2 said:
Sapewloth said:
sargos7 said:

If you cry in response to something that should make you feel happy, then you need to find a new group of people to associate with.

Really? You know tears aren't limited to situations in which you're supposed to feel sad, right? I mean, you could cry when something you worked your ass off for finally comes true, or something like that.
I cry when I yawn too hard.
You weakling.
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Kellhus said:
GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
Apr 15, 2014 6:56 AM

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I don't cry if i'm in pain, i just shake it off and move on if i pay attention to the pain i'm giving it attention, which will make it more painful. Also the people saying woman are mentally weak is because, woman get love / special treatment while men are raised to just suck it up they don't get special treatment, there raised at a very young age to be independent and to believe no one is looking out for them there on there own.

Pretty much preparing them for the day when shit goes down and they have to sacrifice themselves to save woman and children while they die. Being raised to be disposable trash a very primitive concept which was necessary back in the day for survival it still has it's benefits though, it makes you more resilient / stronger /independent and shit doesn't affect you as much.
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Sapewloth said:
sargos7 said:

If you cry in response to something that should make you feel happy, then you need to find a new group of people to associate with.

Really? You know tears aren't limited to situations in which you're supposed to feel sad, right? I mean, you could cry when something you worked your ass off for finally comes true, or something like that.


That was the point. You shouldn't have to work hard to be happy, and if you do, it's likely because you hang out with pricks. Not always the case, but usually.
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Crying is just a response to extreme emotion. It doesn't make you weak or strong and it doesn't matter whether you're a man or woman who's crying, it's just a response to emotion.
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sargos7 said:

You shouldn't have to work hard to be happy.

Or should you ?
sargos7 said:
, and if you do, it's likely because you hang out with pricks. Not always the case, but usually.

No matter how I look at it, it's still one hell of a stretch to assume you hang around pricks if you work hard to be happy. Your vision of happiness and my vision of happiness aren't necessarily the same. Besides that, tears can be a response to a very strong emotion, be it positive or negative. If I work my ass off to achieve a goal of any sort (win a contest, get published, become a successful freelance artist) and my family & friends supported me the whole time, if I shed tears of joy once I succeed, are you still gonna assume I was hanging around pricks?
If my sports team wins a very important tournament for which they trained hard and tears of joy are shed, are you again gonna assume the team mates were being pricks to each other?
I don't get your logic.
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Kellhus said:
GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
Apr 15, 2014 8:47 AM

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Sapewloth said:
sargos7 said:

You shouldn't have to work hard to be happy.

Or should you ?
sargos7 said:
, and if you do, it's likely because you hang out with pricks. Not always the case, but usually.

No matter how I look at it, it's still one hell of a stretch to assume you hang around pricks if you work hard to be happy. Your vision of happiness and my vision of happiness aren't necessarily the same. Besides that, tears can be a response to a very strong emotion, be it positive or negative. If I work my ass off to achieve a goal of any sort (win a contest, get published, become a successful freelance artist) and my family & friends supported me the whole time, if I shed tears of joy once I succeed, are you still gonna assume I was hanging around pricks?
If my sports team wins a very important tournament for which they trained hard and tears of joy are shed, are you again gonna assume the team mates were being pricks to each other?
I don't get your logic.


Let me put it this way. Let's say a billionaire and a homeless person both won a million dollars. The homeless person would likely experience several different overwhelming emotions, but the billionaire would probably only laugh at the irony.
Apr 15, 2014 8:51 AM

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It's not a sign of weakness or strength. We cry when we're sad or happy. It's to let out emotions? o.o
Apr 15, 2014 8:59 AM

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ahhh... can you even imagine strong man crying like fcking pusy children? well everybody have moments of weakness sometimes. but it is weakness ofcourse.
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Apr 15, 2014 9:05 AM

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sargos7 said:
Sapewloth said:
sargos7 said:

You shouldn't have to work hard to be happy.

Or should you ?
sargos7 said:
, and if you do, it's likely because you hang out with pricks. Not always the case, but usually.

No matter how I look at it, it's still one hell of a stretch to assume you hang around pricks if you work hard to be happy. Your vision of happiness and my vision of happiness aren't necessarily the same. Besides that, tears can be a response to a very strong emotion, be it positive or negative. If I work my ass off to achieve a goal of any sort (win a contest, get published, become a successful freelance artist) and my family & friends supported me the whole time, if I shed tears of joy once I succeed, are you still gonna assume I was hanging around pricks?
If my sports team wins a very important tournament for which they trained hard and tears of joy are shed, are you again gonna assume the team mates were being pricks to each other?
I don't get your logic.


Let me put it this way. Let's say a billionaire and a homeless person both won a million dollars. The homeless person would likely experience several different overwhelming emotions, but the billionaire would probably only laugh at the irony.

I get your example, but I'm not sure how it's supposed to explain your point?
Obviously a billionaire will most lilkely not be concerned with how much more money they get. So winning a billion dollar won't affect them the same way it would affect a poor person nor provoke an equally extreme emotion.
(An instance in which the billionaire could be affected to the point of tears would be seeing their child graduate from highschool, for example).
Even with the homeless person in your scenario, how does the 'hanging out with pricks' assumption comes into play?
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Kellhus said:
GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
Apr 15, 2014 9:34 AM

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Sapewloth said:

I get your example, but I'm not sure how it's supposed to explain your point?
Obviously a billionaire will most lilkely not be concerned with how much more money they get. So winning a billion dollar won't affect them the same way it would affect a poor person nor provoke an equally extreme emotion.
(An instance in which the billionaire could be affected to the point of tears would be seeing their child graduate from highschool, for example).
Even with the homeless person in your scenario, how does the 'hanging out with pricks' assumption comes into play?


Imagine a submissive guy who is constantly bullied, but because he doesn't react negatively to being bullied, the people who are bullying him accept him, and consider him as a friend, but they continue to pick on him because they are under the impression that he does not mind being picked on. Over the years, he gets used to being treated that way, and just thinks that it's normal for people to treat each other like that. Then he meets someone who not only doesn't pick on him, but who actually goes out of his way to help him out. It's not too difficult to predict a few tears of joy as a result, is it?

People who often experience tears of joy are also often people who are taken advantage or at the very least taken for granted.
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Apr 15, 2014 9:45 AM
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Men aren't supposed to cry.

Real men cry.

Crying is fine, but being overly sensitive to where crying is more or less the end result could be a sign of emotional weakness. Everyone should cry, so they can regulate their feelings properly. Bottling it all up is why many people have problems with their emotions; they suppress them until it's way too late to manage them properly, then the only option is to have them explode in a wave of uncontrollable feelings that may end with dire consequences.
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Crying is neither a sign of weakness or strength. It's an expressive emotion.
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Apr 15, 2014 1:52 PM

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I cry all the damn time without any shame

Expressing your grown man tears and not giving a shit about what other people think is what you should be proud of
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BryanBossling said:
Aylaine said:
Real men cry.
So if a man doesn't cry, is he a ''fake man''?
If a man never cries, regardless of what the situation is, he has some serious issues.
I am sure there is an actual name for this, like "distorted-and-extreme-view-of-role-model-disorder" (DEVRM-D)
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Pikachu-Pandas said:

Expressing your grown man tears and not giving a shit about what other people think is what you should be proud of

Amen.
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NarTaco said:
BryanBossling said:
Men aren't supposed to cry.

Real men aren't afraid of crying.


This. If you are afraid to cry, you're being much more of a wuss then when you're able to not give a fuck about your environment and show your emotions when it's needed.
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cabacc2 said:
If a man never cries, regardless of what the situation is, he has some serious issues.
I am sure there is an actual name for this, like "distorted-and-extreme-view-of-role-model-disorder" (DEVRM-D)
For ''this''? I wouldn't say that men should never be allowed to cry.

It's true, however, that women on average cry a lot more than men do, and often over trivial things. It follows, that men who cry a lot are less manly, and more like women.

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This. If you are afraid to cry, you're being much more of a wuss then when you're able to not give a fuck about your environment and show your emotions when it's needed.
Just because you're ''brave enough'' to cry all the time, that doesn't make you any less of a wuss.
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BryanBossling said:
cabacc2 said:
If a man never cries, regardless of what the situation is, he has some serious issues.
I am sure there is an actual name for this, like "distorted-and-extreme-view-of-role-model-disorder" (DEVRM-D)
For ''this''? I wouldn't say that men should never be allowed to cry.

It's true, however, that women on average cry a lot more than men do, and often over trivial things. It follows, that men who cry a lot are less manly, and more like women.

Guess I'll be the only one to agree with you. When I was little I cried a lot. As a proper adult I don't find many situations in my day to day existence that make me feel like crying. Only major events push me that far. Or if I get poked in the eye.
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Did you know that women cry on
average between 30 and 64 times a
year, and men cry on average
between 6 and 17 times per year?
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AsianKungFu said:
Did you know that women cry on
average between 30 and 64 times a
year, and men cry on average
between 6 and 17 times per year?


No wonder men are so emotionally frustrated.
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BryanBossling said:
Aylaine said:
Real men cry.
So if a man doesn't cry, is he a ''fake man''?

cabacc2 said what I wanted to say. Crying is natural, regardless of gender. Not crying may indicate more distressing issues then following gender roles, in my opinion.

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I cry all the damn time without any shame

Expressing your grown man tears and not giving a shit about what other people think is what you should be proud of

Truth.
Apr 15, 2014 11:28 PM

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Neither. Crying is a sign of neither weakness nor strength.
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Crying is a sign of helplessness. People only really cry when there's nothing they can do to change their situation because events outside their control has set in stone. It doesn't matter if it's happy or sad situation, a crying person never does anything about it, because they can't.
That being said, it's not bad, it just means what it means.
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Neither. Crying is a sign of neither weakness nor strength.


Actually scratch that. Crying is a sign of weakness. Sweating from your eyes is a sign of strength.
Apr 16, 2014 1:46 AM

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crying is a sign that you're human. I've seen intimidating guys cry before.
Apr 16, 2014 5:31 AM

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I've been a crybaby all my life but i never shed tears because of pain, rather sadness or sympathy, which includes an awesome character dying in a book or a movie and of course anime, or an extremely touching moment (looks at bluray discs of game of thrones, all three books of the silo series, and Anohana) so bassicly it's neither it's human just like we laugh when we're happy we cry when we're sad or extremely happy.
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The title presupposes that crying means you are either strong or weak.

Whereas the act of crying is a display of emotion, and not a display of weakness or strength.

To cry, doesn't logically entail whether or not that person is strong or not.
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Neither, it's a sign of sadness.


i was about to say that.

if you feel like crying, do it. it's not good to suppress your emotions.
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AsianKungFu said:
Did you know that women cry on
average between 30 and 64 times a
year, and men cry on average
between 6 and 17 times per year?

did you know that womens tear ducts are tighter than mens tear ducts?
Apr 16, 2014 8:33 AM

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Well, it's not a sign of weakness though it depends on when and in which situations people start crying. I hate it when women/people start crying just to win an argument or for random hysteria reasons.

For me personally I have no problem crying when I watch a sad show or something, but in RL I've only ever cried out of pain or frustration as far as I remember, never because of sadness or some similar feeling. I even cried quite a lot when I was a kid, which led to me getting bullied about being a crybaby and pussy at one point, so for 10 years I shut down completely and didn't cry a single time (not voluntarily, I can't control it), some 5-6 years ago I started reconnecting with my tears, even through anime, silly as it is. Still haven't cried for RL reasons (except maybe pain) since my childhood though.
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Higashi_no_Kaze said:
I started reconnecting with my tears, even through anime, silly as it is. Still haven't cried for RL reasons (except maybe pain) since my childhood though.

kind of the same for me. I cry at least 100 times a year, probably more, but never for RL-Reasons.
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I honestly wish I could cry more because apparently my body has forgotten how to. In the past year I've cried like once for I forgot why, and once a year before that when I watched Clannad.

But I wouldn't consider myself more manly than others just because of that, just more desensitized regarding being sad.
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I just think people cry when something makes them sad. Or if it makes them happy because people cry for joy sometimes. It doesn't mean you are a strong or weak person because every body cries.
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It's a sign of weakness.
If you cry you are showing that you are hurt on one way or another, and showing that you are hurt is a sign of weakness.
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