All the haters

Nov 20, 2011 1:51 AM

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Tyrenol said:
And Here We Go Again, ladies and gentlemen. "Standing On Thy Soapbox & Looking Down On Those Who You Don't Agree With." Everyone does it, killer99. You're not special.

Personally, I don't know what Shu should do...

But I (like the rest of the MAL residents here) had watched a LOT of anime. And animu as well. And I met male leads whose personalities are ABOUT-FACE Shu's. Examples include, but not limited to:

* Layfon (Regios). He grew up fighting monsters and still turned into a nice and considerate boyscout with incredible "husband potential."

* Kazuki (Buso Renkin). He went in, tried to protect a girl, AND HAD GOTTEN KILLED. Said girl paid him back by bringing him back to life...

* Kazuya (Freezing). Despite the anime's over-the-top fanservice and bloody fights, Kazuya (who's a little brother of a woman who helped save the world) didn't become a blithering harem lead. He chased after ONE piece of ass, one indestructible freight train of a fighter, and became her partner. (He also gets another piece of ass; one of the Chinese flavor.)

* Sento (Juuden-chan). His bat. 'Nuff typed.

* Chika & Shito (Zombie Loan). These two guys had confidence and spine way before they became zombies.

* Alma (Sacred 7). He's a dick, but a good dick; using his powers for good.

But you know... Slobbering all over GODLY ANIMUTION, soundtracks, and pretty girls (while it's not really a bad thing) makes you look more retarded than the lot of us haters who wanted more (depth) than this.

I mean, really. I think there's a conspiracy. Just like with Fox and the entertainment industry in the US; around the world I dare to say.

[The Japanese Animu Industry Think's] We're Stupid. -_-;

Over Half Of You [Here] Are Proving That They're Right. ;_;

freezing? sacred seven? busou renkin? do you really think that they are better than gc? come on...

Nov 20, 2011 2:18 AM

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Honestly, I don't even know where all these hate towards 'fanboyism' is coming from. I would give anything to be able to feel that way about a specific show; it's why I keep watching anime. Just because people don't feel the same thing as you doesn't make your feelings any less true. I remember Shakugan no Shana was the first 'GC' for me way back. But I can't look at it the same way today. Whatever chemical cocktail my pubescent brain stirred up that made me love that show has long been spilled. And the same will happen to you over time with 'GC' (you won't 'hate it', per se, but you'll start to wonder what made you 'loved it' so much). Reading the opinions of others would just quicken this process and make you see all the 'flaws' of this show -- even the ones you'd missed. I guess what I'm trying to say is -- why bother changing everyone's minds when you know nothing about us, or our circumstances? (nor should you care) And yes...circumstances are everything... believe me.

ideoidiomNov 20, 2011 2:26 AM

Nov 20, 2011 2:27 AM

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The best way to silence the hatred is to ignore them.

Nov 20, 2011 6:12 AM

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ideoidiom said:
Honestly, I don't even know where all these hate towards 'fanboyism' is coming from.

Because...

1. Their hobby
2. The cool-kids says so
3. Their fave show is less popular
4. having a period
5. They've been betrayed by the show
6. They don't have anything better to do
7. The show is really sucks balls
8. The director is a retard
9. The fanboy is also a retard
10. They really love hearing/reading your mindless rage

Problem?

Nov 20, 2011 8:54 AM

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I love reading these threads.
Here, I made a template so anyone can reconstruct these:

A likes the show B doesn't.
A: My opinion is absolute, if you don't agree with me you are wrong and I don't like to read your posts so gtfo! - Goes on to explain the good things about the show (or what he percieves as such anyway).
B: Your opinion is trash, I am in the right here, this is show is a cliched mess. If you don't like to read my comments gtfo. - Goes on to explain the bad things about the show (or what he percieves as such anyway)

This goes on for a few (hundred)comments.

Occasionally a C comes along, who understands that these threads are pointless, but comments anyway. He doesn't really love the show, but appreciates the good points and feels sad about the bad ones. Acts like an intermediary between A and B.

Interesting thing I noticed though is that most of the stalwart defenders of this show have less than 100 completed anime. Most of the "haters" are above 250. hm....
(yes, there are exceptions)

Nov 20, 2011 8:57 AM

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Malestel said:

Interesting thing I noticed though is that most of the stalwart defenders of this show have less than 100 completed anime. Most of the "haters" are above 250. hm....
(yes, there are exceptions)

So the haters are all jaded? :P

Nov 20, 2011 9:13 AM

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Anzekay said:

Malestel said:

Interesting thing I noticed though is that most of the stalwart defenders of this show have less than 100 completed anime. Most of the "haters" are above 250. hm....
(yes, there are exceptions)

So the haters are all jaded? :P

It's just something I noticed, would love to see the actual statistics on it. Ofc I only looked at like 20 profiles and how many ppl watch this show... yeah...
Maybe it's just me but a lot of shows I thought was ok, or even awesome back when I first watched them a few years ago, I would probably drop in a heartbeat now.

Nov 20, 2011 9:39 AM

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pinotto90 said:
freezing? sacred seven? busou renkin? do you really think that they are better than gc? come on...

Let's do this one by one:

Freezing: it's only marginally better because the male protagonist is marginally better than GC's. The female protagonists are both of the VERY naive type, almost looking like idiots even, so that's a "draw." And they both have this "imba" powers. lol

Sacred Seven: They both have a bad way of handling the plot (thus I dropped Sacred Seven eventually after 8 episodes), but Arma is marginally better than Shu. But only by a little bit. And Ranka who now ditched the green hair...I mean Ruri, is just the same "garden variety" as Inori is, with just some (more or less inconsequential) distinguishing features between the two.

Haven't watched Busou Renkin though so I can't really comment on that.

Nov 20, 2011 10:03 AM

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Malestel said:

Interesting thing I noticed though is that most of the stalwart defenders of this show have less than 100 completed anime. Most of the "haters" are above 250. hm....
(yes, there are exceptions)

well, actually quite true.
I was one of fanboys when I only completed about 200-300 anime. I easily give high score for popular anime...
then, when reached 500. I think I should re-consider most of my anime score.
for example I changed all Shakugan no Shana season score, from 8 to 5.
but it doesn't mean I hate popular show.
I still give Gintama, Code Geass and K-ON high score. because that anime really enjoyable...

Nov 20, 2011 11:41 AM

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So, I just got around to watching this for the first time last night. And I really enjoyed it.

Was it perfect? No, there were things that bothered me. Was it unique? No, many aspects have been done before.

And yet, I went in with no expectations, and I found a show that was extremely well animated, had a great soundtrack, and overall was impressive and engaging to watch. I think it's best to approach this with no preconceived notions and just take it at face value. Don't go in expecting it to be the most amazing thing ever, and don't go in expecting it to be terrible by comparing and contrasting it to other series.

I'm not too entrenched in the apparent 'drama' surrounding it, but I just wanted to come in and say it's a good show, and I had a lot of fun watching it. I'm neither going to support it endlessly nor bash it. It really makes no difference to me how other people gauged it. I'd definitely say to give it a try though if you're on the fence, and not let other's criticisms stop you from it.

Nov 20, 2011 12:31 PM

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IZUMI64 said:

Malestel said:

Interesting thing I noticed though is that most of the stalwart defenders of this show have less than 100 completed anime. Most of the "haters" are above 250. hm....
(yes, there are exceptions)

well, actually quite true.
I was one of fanboys when I only completed about 200-300 anime. I easily give high score for popular anime...
then, when reached 500. I think I should re-consider most of my anime score.
for example I changed all Shakugan no Shana season score, from 8 to 5.
but it doesn't mean I hate popular show.
I still give Gintama, Code Geass and K-ON high score. because that anime really enjoyable...

So you changed your score because you're too cool for those shows now? Somehow giving a show a new rating after you've seen it 3141321312 years ago without rewatching it means it's more 'objective' in the grand scheme of things? Not gonna bother trolling you about how you rate you shizz, just sayin', it ain't fair to those titles that you've forgotten pretty much everything about. And the thing about more than 200 or 250 or whatever isn't true. I'm pretty sure it has more to do with age than your view count. I'm well on my way to becoming a raging critic and I only have 6x titles under my belt.

Nov 20, 2011 12:36 PM

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Having watched more anime just gives you a better idea of what is cliché and what is not, it doesn't change a show from being what it is.

Nov 20, 2011 12:43 PM

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ideoidiom said:

IZUMI64 said:

Malestel said:

Interesting thing I noticed though is that most of the stalwart defenders of this show have less than 100 completed anime. Most of the "haters" are above 250. hm....
(yes, there are exceptions)

well, actually quite true.
I was one of fanboys when I only completed about 200-300 anime. I easily give high score for popular anime...
then, when reached 500. I think I should re-consider most of my anime score.
for example I changed all Shakugan no Shana season score, from 8 to 5.
but it doesn't mean I hate popular show.
I still give Gintama, Code Geass and K-ON high score. because that anime really enjoyable...

So you changed your score because you're too cool for those shows now? Somehow giving a show a new rating after you've seen it 3141321312 years ago without rewatching it means it's more 'objective' in the grand scheme of things? Not gonna bother trolling you about how you rate you shizz, just sayin', it ain't fair to those titles that you've forgotten pretty much everything about. And the thing about more than 200 or 250 or whatever isn't true. I'm pretty sure it has more to do with age than your view count. I'm well on my way to becoming a raging critic and I only have 6x titles under my belt.

no, of course not. If I think like that than I'll watch LotGH and become one of Moe-haters.
I hate LotGH and I love Moe. based on that reasons, I'm not qualified as an elitist.
about Shana, first time I watched it really cool because back then I don't have many anime to compare with it. and after what they did with 3rd season. I was really disappointed with the development. that's all...
same goes with BLEACH, used to love it but now with that kind of story I changed BLEACH score from 8 to 4

Nov 20, 2011 1:02 PM

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Yeah the time gap between the Shanas feel way too long, it's like Inuyasha, I remember back when I was a kid I worshiped that show, but now that they decided to conclude it, I just couldn't give half a shit to any of the characters. You just lose all the buildup. Oh and Bleach would be a decent shounen show if you forget all the fillers and watch the whole thing in one get go. Too bad you've opened the Pandoras Box already.
But anyway, reevaluating continuing series and re-rating old series are a little different. The former requires you to deal with regaining lost buildup to enjoy the show, while the latter is just how far your memory takes you -- which I'm pretty sure is unreliable if you're given the chance to talk to your old self. That's why it's called nostalgia, you can never relive the same moment; therefore you should never reevaluate it.

Getting off-topic.

ideoidiomNov 20, 2011 1:07 PM

Nov 20, 2011 1:30 PM

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IZUMI64 said:
If I think like that than I'll watch LotGH and become one of Moe-haters.
I hate LotGH and I love Moe. based on that reasons, I'm not qualified as an elitist.

Why would you hate LOGH? Why would you love moe?

Nov 20, 2011 2:12 PM

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thekiller99 said:

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thekiller99 said:

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This is the internet. If you're expecting everything said to be well thought out and articulated you're expecting way too much. In the end whining about whiners just makes yourself a whiner. Don't like someone bad mouthing something you like? Come up with a decent reply yourself or just ignore it all together.

First of all im not really whining. Im expressing my views with evidence unlike whiners who just post "Shu is a pussy ass bitch thats why i hate the show" is just retarded.

Why didn't you reply to those threads were "everyone retardedly whines how much pussy he is?" What you are doing is nothing more than whining about whining, you are whiner^2.

There is already plenty of threads were is perfectly explained why so many people think this is not a good series. It's not about one pussy character, please, don't put words to people's mouth.

thekiller99 said:
I do agree there will always be negative receptions but why not try convince them? and MAYBE they'll change their perspectives and enjoy the show instead of hating it and telling people that haven't watched it to stay away.

You can start by explaining characters motives and philosophy which I'm really interested to know since I think every character is a personality lacking robot whose only purpose is either to be part of fanservice or work like script says.

Care to convince me to think that the storyline and its literary means deserves high rating? Assuming you know a bit about literature, Guilty Crown story is 3/10 on my scale. Only thing I might be missing is symbolism, which I really can't found there. Could you explain it to me if I'm missing it?

Then read this review and explain part 3. convince me to think that those actions are not stupid at all.
http://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?id=45539

thekiller99 said:
MAYBE they'll change their perspectives and enjoy the show instead of hating it and telling people that haven't watched it to stay away.

If you can't convince me, then please do exactly the same thing and stop saying this is worth of watching.

The funny thing is if you hate the show and spend so much time pointing out the flaws...why do you still do it? A normal person who hates something wouldn't put any effort into it and yet i can see you spend quite a lot of time writing that review up.

41 of 149 people found this review helpful need i say more?

And your 3rd part
Theres just too many of them for me to spend time to argue

And im not going to reply to all the post because i can tell you guys didn't read the interview

Quote:
6. The producers. It is a collaboration of Studio I.G. and noitanimA. I am fully aware of the wonderful work they have done in the past but their recent works are PLAIN SHIT! Fractale, C, and No.6 are the worst disappointments of the year and now they are once more trying to make ANOTHER similar show? How am I supposed to trust them after this line of failures? NoitanimA is great only when it deals with slice of life so WHY DOES IT KEEP TRYING TO MAKE SCI-FI WHEN IT FAILS MISERABLY?

If there are so many disappointments tell me why did you choose to watch this show ?

Are you stupid or wtf? I didn't write that review you fucktard. Do you think there should be only reviews written by fanboys to tell how much they love to love the show? People are only down voting it cause they disagree with the rating, not cause of the review quality.

So you can't answer my question about what makes Guilty Crown good, but instead you mock a review writer who has the brains to say what is wrong with the show. You are obviously a retard. Just shut the fuck up, if you don't have anything reasonable to say.

Bro why so mad? did i press the wrong button? Chill the fuck out
GC is good beacuse:
1)Character Design (Inori one of a kind heroine)
2)Music (Absolutely one of my top favs of this show βίος of Mika Kobayashi, My dearest by koeda)
3)Animation (Need i say more ? watch ep 1 and 4 )
4)Realism to some extent (Shu's personality is natural which makes it so much easy for people to relate to. No im not going to argue this point over and over again)
Yes i do agree some parts which are retarded like robots freezing, guards walking up to inori while she shoots them down
But hey if you are going to be so picky about it and hate it just because of that then you are retarded. Movies have lots of mistakes so if you pick one up are you goign to hate it just because of it?
5)Endings ( Probably the first anime i've watch that has different endings per episode which shows how much effort the creators put in to the show)

Some people say the show is a bit rushed in Ep6: Guys you have to remember this anime used to be 24-26episodes but got cut down to 22 because of timeslots in Japan

Yeah realistic, gai and inori dodging mobile suits(1,4 and 6)
Inori dodging bullets
Bodyguards missing someone at near point blank range
You're just a fanboy. Just be quiet. You're making the show worse than it is,
If shu isn't a pussy, then I guess Naruto isn't gay for Sasuke.

Nov 20, 2011 3:15 PM

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Malestel said:
I love reading these threads.
Here, I made a template so anyone can reconstruct these:

A likes the show B doesn't.
A: My opinion is absolute, if you don't agree with me you are wrong and I don't like to read your posts so gtfo! - Goes on to explain the good things about the show (or what he percieves as such anyway).
B: Your opinion is trash, I am in the right here, this is show is a cliched mess. If you don't like to read my comments gtfo. - Goes on to explain the bad things about the show (or what he percieves as such anyway)

This goes on for a few (hundred)comments.

Occasionally a C comes along, who understands that these threads are pointless, but comments anyway. He doesn't really love the show, but appreciates the good points and feels sad about the bad ones. Acts like an intermediary between A and B.

This thread is always makes my day

Nov 20, 2011 3:16 PM

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Tiago97 said:

IZUMI64 said:
If I think like that than I'll watch LotGH and become one of Moe-haters.
I hate LotGH and I love Moe. based on that reasons, I'm not qualified as an elitist.

Why would you hate LOGH? Why would you love moe?

If he hates LoGH, clearly his opinion is invalid

ddw1aNov 20, 2011 3:20 PM

Nov 20, 2011 3:19 PM

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Jankaruro said:
If shu isn't a pussy, then I guess Naruto isn't gay for Sasuke.

Segai is gay for Shu.

Nov 20, 2011 3:22 PM

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Confucius said:

Tiago97 said:

IZUMI64 said:
If I think like that than I'll watch LotGH and become one of Moe-haters.
I hate LotGH and I love Moe. based on that reasons, I'm not qualified as an elitist.

Why would you hate LOGH? Why would you love moe?

If he hates LoGH, clearly his opinion is invalid

Actually its posts like this that make people judge LoGH badly before they've even watched it.

Nov 20, 2011 3:24 PM

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mellors said:

Confucius said:

Tiago97 said:

IZUMI64 said:
If I think like that than I'll watch LotGH and become one of Moe-haters.
I hate LotGH and I love Moe. based on that reasons, I'm not qualified as an elitist.

Why would you hate LOGH? Why would you love moe?

If he hates LoGH, clearly his opinion is invalid

Actually its posts like this that make people judge LoGH badly before they've even watched it.

I don't think so, though some may believe that. He doesn't have LoGH on his list and he has begin to hate it.

Nov 20, 2011 3:29 PM

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Confucius said:

mellors said:

Confucius said:

Tiago97 said:

IZUMI64 said:
If I think like that than I'll watch LotGH and become one of Moe-haters.
I hate LotGH and I love Moe. based on that reasons, I'm not qualified as an elitist.

Why would you hate LOGH? Why would you love moe?

I
If he hates LoGH, clearly his opinion is invalid

Actually its posts like this that make people judge LoGH badly before they've even watched it.

I don't think so, though some may believe that. He doesn't have LoGH on his list and he has begin to hate it.

I saw IZUMI in another thread (and a few others previously) posting how they don't want to watch LoGH because they don't want to associate with elitists. I mean sure thats a really stupid reason not to watch a great show, but some people are going to be wary about something that has such a "difficult" fanbase.

Several logh fans here recommend it while bashing other shows, because really they dont want many people to watch it so they can still feel special about their discovery.

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Nov 20, 2011 3:42 PM

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Fuck me. Why did I bring up LoGH in this thread. Better stay away from it when making comparisons next time. This better go away soon. Well this is what happens when you mess with them: they swarm in and take over.

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