| I may as well update this while I go. For people who hate long posts I will spoiler that the short version is my reads currently are strong Scum: Shinchi,Soren,Dono,Bee-boy, slight scum: Sightless, Togs ( He could go in strong but I just find his style scummy so trying not to be biased.) Neu (Shuuka,Bioshade,Lucian,Followwind) Strong town SoulEaterQueen,Crossbell, Ari, If people want me to explain any of these reads please ask. |
JackritoJun 12, 2016 8:04 AM
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Vote Count 1.5: aa-dono (3): Arrisu, Crossbell, Togs Shinichi-kun (3): Jackrito, SoulEaterQUEEN, LucianRoy Arrisu (2): Shinichi-kun, aa-dono Jackrito (2): Bee-Boy, Shuuka SightlessReality (2): Soren, SightlessReality Players not voting: (followind, bioshade2) Mod Notes: I figured this would be a talkative game, but I'm still impressed >> Time until the phase change << |
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aa-dono said: bioshade2 said: as for shinichi jumping into peoples rescue, jumping in to everyone's rescue might actually be trying to get a feel on how people react to the defense to get a map of how they might interact in here, getting a little iffy vibe off of crossbell and arrisu, seem to be pushing for a move that could very easily come back to bite towns rear if i understand double lynching correctly. Can you please elaborate more on the bolded part? Since the time i posted that i think i might be beginning to understand things a bit more rather than just going by feeling, Their push for double lynch seemed like it would have been a good way to thin out the town, but reading more it seems to be that it could be a good way to get extra interrogation time as well as possibly get 2 scum at the same time if there are strong scum reads. There definitely is merit to using twilight for the extra time for rereads which i know i could use XD. |
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Jackrito said: Ari comes in and puts pressure on Dono and Shinchi which I townread her for. When scum she normally does not pressure people as much and lacks a bit of confidence. She voted for me, but would it be counted as "pressure as much" when it was Crossbell and Togs who gave reasons for it? Jackrito said: Don't twist my words. I mentioned it because it was a possibility that could happen. Sure, I'm not very into double lynch at that time (I still worry about the chance of both being town, but I like it far better than a panic vote 10 minutes or less at phase change, since I'm usually not around to see it) but still I wasn't very against it.The next big thing that happened was the Twlight discussion, main points in this are Shinchi and Sightless, Dono were very anti this which I give slight scum reads on they are three playes as scum who I would see trying to avoid this at all costs because not been able to control it but would like it as town. I also don't like how eager Soren was for double lynchs in this and the confidence he had it would work out fine they is no way he should be so confident which makes me feel he does not care who we lynch in a double. Crossbell does this as well but I think this is more town moviated added with his posts eariler in the game and giving people a chance this fits in with his town game so far from old games. |
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| The jack lynch wagon seemed to gain momentum a bit too quickly and looks like a too easy lynch, @bee-boy any particular reason there was the instant vote for Jack? |
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Jackrito said: Shinchi: I have so many reasons in that his lack of scumhunting is the biggest though more happy to talk about anything but and very defensive also voted for no reason apart from been told to. Dono: same as Shinchi lack of scumhunting and spending too much time on other things. Bee-boy: seems to want me dead but lacking any solid reasons and not looking at many other people but me. Togs: Stuck on me for a while, I don't like how much he defends my bigger scum reads I did like his vote on Dono though since I agreed with it. Sightless: a lot more active then normal which is strange and strongly hated the double lynch. Main town reads. Queen: I like the way they are questioing everyone and actually cares about the answers. I also knew thier reasons for voting me and agree with it. They are really into this and scumhunting like a pro if scum acting really well. Crossbell: They appear to be playing the way I'm used to questioing everyone and care about answers and willing to change views on people shows lack of conviction which a townie is likely to have on day one. Ari: Actively scumhunting and shows confidence in it which they lack a bit as scum. Good earlys sighs which I hope carry on. Hnnnnnnn what is scumhunting to you exactly? Ari and Bee-boy is doing similar thing imo, only different suspects. So are you just okay with Ari because her vote is not on you? |
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| Hmm.. Should we let the Votes be and let it proceed to the Twilight Phase so that we can still have another 24 hours to discuss or should we vote another one either to lynch someone? I'll decide whether to vote or not after I receive opinions for this... |
followind said: Hmm.. Should we let the Votes be and let it proceed to the Twilight Phase so that we can still have another 24 hours to discuss or should we vote another one either to lynch someone? I'll decide whether to vote or not after I receive opinions for this... Don't be lazy, you are still in this game. I want to hear YOUR opinion on the targets being lynched. |
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| Also I am late because the city decided to shut down the power for 6.5 hours this morning, lovely. |
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followind said: Hmm.. Should we let the Votes be and let it proceed to the Twilight Phase so that we can still have another 24 hours to discuss or should we vote another one either to lynch someone? I'll decide whether to vote or not after I receive opinions for this... Seeing how it's my bedtime soon, I'd say yes. But well, Shinichi-kun is also a scum-lean for me, though my reads are not as strong as Jack. I'm gonna go through his posts again. |
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followind said: Hmm.. Should we let the Votes be and let it proceed to the Twilight Phase so that we can still have another 24 hours to discuss or should we vote another one either to lynch someone? I'll decide whether to vote or not after I receive opinions for this... I'm also torn between voting or letting it go to twilight for the extra time, re reading the absolute mountain of posts, both of the top picks have good arguments against them, I'm probably going for the tie for twilight though. |
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followind said: Sorry for the late entrance... Didn't realize this game already started... I don't think I'll vote anyone for now Shinichi and Arissu are having their usual quarrel, I'm still thinking why is she voting for aa... Aa fluff a lot IMO Shinichi also tries to protect everyone so I don't think it's a good idea to lynch him now Jack and Soul events are new.. But I do think that one of them or both of them might be town since Soul has been pretty much scum hunting but I've never seen her scum plays before Sightless is doing his usual thing I think, but he might be town since he is more active IMO Jack is really coolheaded so I don't think he'll show it right now if he is scum Crossbell analysis seems pretty okay to me.. BeeBoy is tunnelling a bit towards Jack I think Togs is a pretty analytical player I think since I did follow Tsun maf game although I died N1, he seems to contribute decently Aa seems pretty neutral to me I can't get a grasp on Lucian though Shuuka,Bioshade and Soren are pretty neutral at this point for me I've been trying to improve my plays.. Yeah so if this is awkward maybe I'll change my playstyle again... I also might be a little bit passive this game since I got mafkilled and lynched each one because I think I'm too active ... @Arrisu Why are you voting for aa? I'll follow your lead if I deem nee's reason is logical enough.. Mod: Corrected Ari's name.. Okay you can disregard my last comment... so no one is giving you even slight scum vibes at all? |
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aa-dono said: Jackrito said: Shinchi: I have so many reasons in that his lack of scumhunting is the biggest though more happy to talk about anything but and very defensive also voted for no reason apart from been told to. Dono: same as Shinchi lack of scumhunting and spending too much time on other things. Bee-boy: seems to want me dead but lacking any solid reasons and not looking at many other people but me. Togs: Stuck on me for a while, I don't like how much he defends my bigger scum reads I did like his vote on Dono though since I agreed with it. Sightless: a lot more active then normal which is strange and strongly hated the double lynch. Main town reads. Queen: I like the way they are questioing everyone and actually cares about the answers. I also knew thier reasons for voting me and agree with it. They are really into this and scumhunting like a pro if scum acting really well. Crossbell: They appear to be playing the way I'm used to questioing everyone and care about answers and willing to change views on people shows lack of conviction which a townie is likely to have on day one. Ari: Actively scumhunting and shows confidence in it which they lack a bit as scum. Good earlys sighs which I hope carry on. Hnnnnnnn what is scumhunting to you exactly? Ari and Bee-boy is doing similar thing imo, only different suspects. So are you just okay with Ari because her vote is not on you? Scumhunting is different for every person but you can normally tell when someone is doing it based off thier actions and tone of writing. it is not something that is too easy to fake a lot of good mafia players fail in fake scumhunting because they know they are wrong so can't commit the same way. While others don't boter and blend in they are little things you can use to spot the dfferance. This is not always right though depends on players mood and desire to play as well but is a good baseline. It is more I know Ari meta a lot more then Bee-boy and I know how she scumhunts when scum and this does not appear to be the same way could be wrong though. People can vote me like I said but I like some better reasons then a gut read and not scumhunting when they is a lot more posts to base things on. I also like it when people show signs of thinking about they could be wrong which Bee-boy is not. |
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| [quote=Shinichi-Kun message=46434847] SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: Just how i play the game is there a problem with that lmao? I normally do it day 1 cause i feel like some people end up being voted off of a reason's that are really hard to defend themselves from that's why. Not sure why your questioning this now when i've done it in every game we played together. Normally I don't care, but apparently this is one of your scum tells pointed out by Jack/Ari so I am trying to dive into your perspective on how it benefits your play as both town/scum. What happens if you are defending scum? What happens if the reason why they can't defend themselves is because of scum play? Why do you assume that people being lynched are going to be town? Why do you have null tells on a wagon that has been going for awhile? I need some more thoughts in this area because to me this is making me see you as being scummy. Defending people who you don't have an indicative of their alignment as town does not make sense, you would only defend someone when scum because you want to gain a townie's trust, or by setting them up to look scummy through association. Also the fact you seem so sure that D1 is going to result in a town lynch also tips me off that you have an idea who is town, and only scum would feel this confidence. It feels as though you are setting town up to be discouraged on lynching and ready to town shame by the end of it. Lastly null tells gives me another tip of being scummy because scum are afraid to commit to reads until they have a plan on who to get on their side and who to frame. Shinichi-kun said: Not sure what they even pointed out that actually make's me trully seem scummy also if and when I do die it's gonna be funny when both their read's are thrown back at them and they get mindblown unless they are both scum cause they just be happy I died. This guilt tripping is something that makes you look even scummier by the way. This is just a way to make you place doubt in people in lynching you as scum. If you are town here, again, I fail to see the point of how funny it would be to waste a lynch on you to prove a point. Shinichi-kun said: Only defend people on day 1 most of the time and if someone is scum who I'm defending oh well it happens just like how a day 1 lynch can lead to a townies death. How are you so sure that it will lead to a townies death? If someone is being under attack, why don't you spend time analyzing the reason why they are being attacked instead of jumping to their rescue? Shinichi-kun said: At the same time i don't see any harm in what I'm doing because it's up to other's to follow me. Nope I defend people day 1 regardless of alignment and I understand your logic it's just kinda part of my good moral I defend people that's what I do lmao. There's a slight panic tone here when you reiterate the point that you made twice. You are justifying your actions and trying to reaffirm that your meta is the same regardless of what alignment you are is the read i am getting here. Shinichi-kun said: I would have to reread everything to give you an accurate answer to the reads on that train which i will be doing tomorrow morning or soonish maybe if i'm still awake. That's fine, I will hold you to it. Shinichi-kun said: Can you quote me where i said its gunranteed town will be lynched day 1 cause even I've been in games where mafia have been lynched on day 1. Scratch out the guarantee word from this, but you have an example within your own message that just mentions townies being lynched D1. Shinichi-kun said: I don't plan on shaming anyone if a townie get's lynched because of their own reasoning that's on them, though not sure how I'm setting up anyone to be discouraged by defending people where I see fit. You just said you'd defend anyone regardless of alignment, so that in itself is interrupting other people's activities to truly scum hunt and reveal the alignment of themselves/others. Your defending just serves as a distraction because it confuses town what your intentions are really are. That is the way I perceive it. Shinichi-kun said: Not true atleast for me cause when I finally do a read list I gotta reread everything stuff and post's so stick in my head so for me to accurately answer a read question i gotta go back and find every post at that moment so for me its easier to just say someone is a neutral read till i can atleast gather my thoughts. Why mention your neutral reads at all then? Shinichi-kun said: Also I think I've hinted at my role a few times in all my post. Really? because I can't remember except the constant screaming of "townie" as a guilt tripping method which again is scummy :/ |
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aa-dono said: You trust her vote on me? Why? And how so? Just by saying you trust Arrisu doesn't show that you do. Naw, I trust her intentions. I don't trust her vote on you unless I see some follow up from her, and see how you particularly react to it. Though you are reacting to it, this is exciting to see :D |
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| now there is 0 up side to a 3 way tie for lynching correct? |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: followind said: Sorry for the late entrance... Didn't realize this game already started... I don't think I'll vote anyone for now Shinichi and Arissu are having their usual quarrel, I'm still thinking why is she voting for aa... Aa fluff a lot IMO Shinichi also tries to protect everyone so I don't think it's a good idea to lynch him now Jack and Soul events are new.. But I do think that one of them or both of them might be town since Soul has been pretty much scum hunting but I've never seen her scum plays before Sightless is doing his usual thing I think, but he might be town since he is more active IMO Jack is really coolheaded so I don't think he'll show it right now if he is scum Crossbell analysis seems pretty okay to me.. BeeBoy is tunnelling a bit towards Jack I think Togs is a pretty analytical player I think since I did follow Tsun maf game although I died N1, he seems to contribute decently Aa seems pretty neutral to me I can't get a grasp on Lucian though Shuuka,Bioshade and Soren are pretty neutral at this point for me I've been trying to improve my plays.. Yeah so if this is awkward maybe I'll change my playstyle again... I also might be a little bit passive this game since I got mafkilled and lynched each one because I think I'm too active ... @Arrisu Why are you voting for aa? I'll follow your lead if I deem nee's reason is logical enough.. Mod: Corrected Ari's name.. Okay you can disregard my last comment... so no one is giving you even slight scum vibes at all? There are but I don't usually trust myself too much since I'm not confident and also I only have a hunch about who might be. Just not really sure about it |
aa-dono said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: I would be interested in seeing a possible double lynch on aa-dono and Kaito if nothing else. Cute lol SoulEaterQUEEN said: Alright, time to hop off the Jackrito train. Jack's reaction to his train earlier really felt like a frustrated !town!Jackrito, rather than a panicked scum (though I don't think he really panics as scum tbh), so far I have a light town read on him. But I want follow up on who he wants to lynch this phase. Onto the Kaito train: he's a bit wish washy, and the vote on Arrisu feels like it came out of nowhere when someone asked him to vote. This felt like it came from a pressure related reason (re-read perhaps) vote: Kaito @Arrisu as for the vote on aa-dono, not a bad idea, though she is a bit of a null tell for me. I actually can't think of an example where she actually scum hunts properly though, she played liked this pretty similarly in Denja's game and she got a lot of heat from it at the beginning but ended up being town afterwards, part of my reluctance, but I was too caught up with the Jack train to be interested. I used Jack as bit of a wagon bait, but not too impressed with the results with it, shuuka has bit of a weird entrance with it and Bee-Boy I was unsure how strong his conviction was on Jack but he's getting a light town-town read from other player's so going to observe him a bit more. I don't get it here. So you think I'm a null tell. And that I scum-hunt poorly (oh, my not-so-fragile heart) in a different game as well but ended up town. You said you're reluctant. But you're still fine with lynching me? Also, I don't get why Shuuka's entrance is weird. Sure, she was late. But it could be that she didn't read all the post yet when she cast that random vote. 1) Yes, correct, you are null to me at the moment in time. 2) nope I never said you were poor at scum hunting, I just said you don't really scum hunt. If I had to describe your playstyle it is more that you sit back and observe with some minor poking, am I correct? 3) If you are scum, I will definitely be fine with lynching you, if you are null, I'd still be fine with lynching you for information especially given the juicy votes you are getting. Statistically speaking I think it is possible to get 1 scum lynched today, but I doubt we will get a double scum lynch (2 scum messing up on day 1 isn't as likely unless we have a scum newb team with no vet to help lead it). So ideally I'd like to lynch 1 scum today, and null-tell for info + chance of finding scum. 4) it could be a bias opinion given that if I have a late entrance I'd actually look at the latest vote count to see where the game state is at. Just looks horrid to begin RVS when no one else is in RVS anymore. Though she is new so I am going to give her a chance for limited time only. Also, any particular reason why you are "defending" her? |
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bioshade2 said: now there is 0 up side to a 3 way tie for lynching correct? I rather narrow it down to 2, the bigger the trains the more info there will be on them given we can only do a double lynch if we want to. |
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bioshade2 said: If I remembered the rules correctly...now there is 0 up side to a 3 way tie for lynching correct? A 3 way tie will result in one of them getting RNG lynched So the ideal tie is a 2 way tie resulting in a twilight phase |
SoulEaterQUEEN said: aa-dono said: Cute lol I don't get it here. So you think I'm a null tell. And that I scum-hunt poorly (oh, my not-so-fragile heart) in a different game as well but ended up town. You said you're reluctant. But you're still fine with lynching me? Also, I don't get why Shuuka's entrance is weird. Sure, she was late. But it could be that she didn't read all the post yet when she cast that random vote. 1) Yes, correct, you are null to me at the moment in time. 2) nope I never said you were poor at scum hunting, I just said you don't really scum hunt. If I had to describe your playstyle it is more that you sit back and observe with some minor poking, am I correct? 3) If you are scum, I will definitely be fine with lynching you, if you are null, I'd still be fine with lynching you for information especially given the juicy votes you are getting. Statistically speaking I think it is possible to get 1 scum lynched today, but I doubt we will get a double scum lynch (2 scum messing up on day 1 isn't as likely unless we have a scum newb team with no vet to help lead it). So ideally I'd like to lynch 1 scum today, and null-tell for info + chance of finding scum. 4) it could be a bias opinion given that if I have a late entrance I'd actually look at the latest vote count to see where the game state is at. Just looks horrid to begin RVS when no one else is in RVS anymore. Though she is new so I am going to give her a chance for limited time only. Also, any particular reason why you are "defending" her? eh I see the confusion between "properly" and "poorly" when I re-read my post to you before. When I said properly, I just mean you don't do it in a standard way. You have a different approach to it than I am "use to". If that makes sense? |
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I was wondering for a while where he role hinted.. I thought I missed it so I've waited for people to point it out If there aren't anyone that knows about it.. I'll probably ask about it myself but it doesn't seems to be the case here |
aa-dono said: Was about to vote lynch Shinichi-kun because of the contradiction vibe he gives me but going through posts again and I can't ignore this: aa-dono said: Aren't "information & thoughts on the game mostly classified"? Are you just using others for your reasonings? Edit: The " " Vote Arrisu I feel like she's putting in a random vote, for the sake of voting. But since we're out of that phase, she comes out with "I'll give reasons later" and then just agreeing with what others pointed at. Though I noticed how she immediately tried to break down the idea of using the Twilight phase to town's advantage right away. That wasn't what I was implying and if she did get scumreads from me by that post, she would read and check again but instead she used the fact that I did discuss about that to strengthen her vote. She's not really putting a random vote when her intentions was clear that she wants to add pressure on you, do you not think this is the usual Ari play? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: then if you recognize a problem with your meta and it makes you a scum target as both town and scum in which you can't defend yourself apparently, why not put an effort to change it or ask people for pointers? By not wanting to change (not drastically obviously) just tells me you are not interested in improving your game. Def interested in the game or I wouldn't be playing lmao what kind of observation is that haha. If the time comes and i feel as though I'm in dire chance of being lynched then ill gather the info to prove im town. Why not spend the time to prove other people are scum? |
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followind said: I was wondering for a while where he role hinted.. I thought I missed it so I've waited for people to point it out If there aren't anyone that knows about it.. I'll probably ask about it myself but it doesn't seems to be the case here I don't think it is a good idea to search for the hints or even admit they was some now scum will look for them and kill if he is telling the truth. I find it a bit scummy how you want such info so early and it handed to you. |
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aa-dono said: Shinichi-Kun said: Just a little annoyed at all the emta being thrown at me without any proof or evidence to back it up that's all theirs no emotion what so ever in my posts XD, not the kind of person that gets emotional in forum mafia. I don't really like posting non-related things, but Shin-chan XXXXXDDDDD Ok let me rephrase that lol I try not too >3> smh :'( |
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aa-dono said: Arrisu said: I'm the same Ari, just have an alter ego on MAL. @Togs - I guess I can tell you. Dono legit did zero scum-hunting when she popped into the game. Though I noticed how she immediately tried to break down the idea of using the Twilight phase to town's advantage right away. Dono is a smart girl, so from a mafia perceptive it would only be natural to want to break down that idea asap for town. Also my gut is screaming for me to lynch dono & I have a habit of having an accurate gut reading. Thanks for the compliment. I don't make much speculation on Day 1. I wish I could but meh. Anyway, what do you mean I'm not scum-hunting? Also, I never said the Twilight phase is advantageous. I was pointing out that it's a double-edge. How are you reading it? @aa-dono I'm reading a lot of posts where you ask clarification of player's on what they said, which by all means is fine, but I am not getting a clear sense of some of your own reads. Can you give us a read or two, or some observation list that points us to what you think are hints to alignments? |
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| I still like my Jackrito vote will catch up at some point ^_^ |
SoulEaterQUEEN said: 4) it could be a bias opinion given that if I have a late entrance I'd actually look at the latest vote count to see where the game state is at. Just looks horrid to begin RVS when no one else is in RVS anymore. Though she is new so I am going to give her a chance for limited time only. Also, any particular reason why you are "defending" her? Not defending her. I just don't understand why was that entrance post weird. I guess the bias part explains it. Since I don't see it's weird because usually when I start a game, regardless late or not, I'll leave a vote before reading anything. Idk, just from how I judge my own play, when I have an initial vote, I tend to stop worrying about being confused since I can just fall back to the earlier vote, but when I don't have an initial vote, if ever I get confused, I'd end up sheeping. I hate myself when I do that. |
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| Jackrito71 So much love and hate in 1 post though this is typical jack. Jack Im just curious of why you would think a scummy policy lynch would make soren get town cred, because if anything coming from soren that just makes him scummy. 145 Soren make's a good point here you do so much talking about your adapting playstyle which seem's like cover to make yourself seem like a townie or to make people think you have no bad motive's with what yoy say or do.147 Here it seem's your activly trying to point out your improving your town skills to get some sympathy and make it look like your trying to be towny maybe? Togs 240 I like how he comes in talking about the game mechanic and pointing out how they would help town i give him town read for this. He also makes a good point that we should utilize the double lynch while ahead, cause if we utilize once we are at a loss it could just put us deeper in the hole.261 The way he responds here seem's genuine, basically a townie giving his opinion on everything that is going on I don't sense anything motive's here. souleaterqueen I'm actually curious to this post 74, What made you think he was gonna lurk? Or did you just wanna get an easy train started on someone.Not sure why you would follow up on this 82 but at the same time I also gathered that if one of you flips scum the other is confirmed town cause I can't see 2 scums interacting here.367 Now that i'm giving a much better perspective on how I see everyone in this game what do you think?Also after rereading everything I do get a slight scum vibe from jack but only slightly. Crossbell 148 Why though, why not just point out your reasons instead of trying to gain cred from pointing out you do have town reads on people. 192 I get a slight town read mainly cause he was the first to bring it up but at the same time it also gives me a slight scum read since he might wanna take advantage of 2 mislynches if he's scum.203 I feel as though here your stat's are biased and your not taking in the account of both lynches being a mislynch, are you that confident in your reads and the chance of scum being caught day 1? 227 Instantly stopped a discussion why he knew it was no benefit for the town and was getting us no where i give him a town read for this.399 I don't know if its just me but cross seem's to always point out when town are going in the wrong direction or doing something they shouldn't can't really see a scum doing that but at the same time I guess it's a neutral at the same time. BeeboyI like this post65,mainly cause it seem's like he's trying to find town early on to get some good reads.362 Why bring up the fact that some of my post's are fluffy do you think it makes me scummy? 417 Do you think this make's him scummy? Reality Good ole Reality here 98, I can't really say anything much but since his play style is still the same it will be hard to read him this game like al;ways but lets hope his trap works. 198 His worries seem genuine as scum he would wanna push a mislynch while still being discreet but instead he brings up the negative effects like i did. Lucian 418 Come's into the game giving his opinion and thought's on everything that has been going on. Explained his likes and dislike about everything he could here. Thought all of this make's him lean towards both scum and town at thw same time.Btw I'm not buddying with jack and i'm pretty sure this isn't the first time I openly defending jack on day 1 nor the first time i've been called out on it. His idea on the twilight phase give off a town read because he both understands the risk's and necessity of the phase. Followwind 446 Why not vote yet? I wish I could figure that out too because she's not really giving much reason to it. Finally someone realizes i do tend to protect everyone alot atleast on day 1. As for the soul jack quarrel if 1 flips mafia it's safe to say the other would be town. Do like how you come in with read's on people and the fact that your instantly question ari on her reasoning :P. AA-dono The fact that she asks this question 178 seems genuine an gives off a slight town read. 426 Yes I did also and I meant that he prob has a townlike thought process which is why people always think he's town, I didn't mean to say i thought he was townlike just that other's see him that way. 430 She's asking geuine questions here and seem's like people aren't really giving good answers for her. 437 Make's a good point here about ari. 439 Mainly didn't have much reads on people till now, but at the same time people espically trains tend to have atlaest 1 scum on them that's why i said that. Soren The posts of all posts 79, not sure why you wanna policy lynch someone its extremely scummy unless you have some way to prove he's scum this is -1 point for you. 214 This is a huge if and what happen's if it back fire cause of wrong reads? 219 I don't think this is true because people could just be like reality and say nothing though i doubt that lol, curious why your so into taking the risk knowing it could hurt town greatly. Biosshade 248 I don't find this true at all aslong as they keep their eye's open and don't focus on just 1 person. It's actually pretty scummy in my opinion to only focus on 1 person so much on day 1. Arrisu 278 Comes into the game with a vote I like it and picks a person that need's to be pressured also points out that we need to focus less on mechanics. 287 She want's people to follow her reasoning on me but doesn't show any proof or facts. Also you bring up people should pressure dono more and that you have something on her but ain't giving us something to work with, if you had town motives no reason to hide anything. 288 Not a fan of the fact she's asking people to start a train without giving her reasons for that and the fact that she picks only people she knows are easy to jump on trains. Though if she does flip scum I can't see both of them being scum with her maybe 1 or the other. 340 I actualy found your play style a little different this game espically cause your witholding information i never see you do that. Only town vibe i get from you is when u voting dono to create pressure on someone that was being ignored the rest comes off as scummy to me. Shuuka 254 Come's into her first game an votes, not sure what to think about this but gives a slight town vibe. Neutral Reads Town reads slight scum reads full scum reads Edit:Bioshade is suppose to be a neutral read |
Shinichi-KunJun 12, 2016 10:39 AM
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: 1) Yes, correct, you are null to me at the moment in time. 2) nope I never said you were poor at scum hunting, I just said you don't really scum hunt. If I had to describe your playstyle it is more that you sit back and observe with some minor poking, am I correct? 3) If you are scum, I will definitely be fine with lynching you, if you are null, I'd still be fine with lynching you for information especially given the juicy votes you are getting. Statistically speaking I think it is possible to get 1 scum lynched today, but I doubt we will get a double scum lynch (2 scum messing up on day 1 isn't as likely unless we have a scum newb team with no vet to help lead it). So ideally I'd like to lynch 1 scum today, and null-tell for info + chance of finding scum. 4) it could be a bias opinion given that if I have a late entrance I'd actually look at the latest vote count to see where the game state is at. Just looks horrid to begin RVS when no one else is in RVS anymore. Though she is new so I am going to give her a chance for limited time only. Also, any particular reason why you are "defending" her? eh I see the confusion between "properly" and "poorly" when I re-read my post to you before. When I said properly, I just mean you don't do it in a standard way. You have a different approach to it than I am "use to". If that makes sense? Yes, makes sense. I'm trying to get better at it, but we'll see. |
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| @bioshade2 I know you're a newbie, but why are being reluctant to place down your vote on anyone yet? |
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| By the way, we only have like 2 hours and 30 mins until deadline. We should aim to tie the votes like 30 minutes until the deadline so that we don't accidentally switch votes or something and lose the extra 24 hours we gain from twilight phase. If we have all agreed on two lynch targets and have tied the votes 30 minutes before deadline, any vote change on them in the last minute or so will be treated as a scum claim. |
| [quote=SoulEaterQUEEN message=46442953] Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Normally I don't care, but apparently this is one of your scum tells pointed out by Jack/Ari so I am trying to dive into your perspective on how it benefits your play as both town/scum. What happens if you are defending scum? What happens if the reason why they can't defend themselves is because of scum play? Why do you assume that people being lynched are going to be town? Why do you have null tells on a wagon that has been going for awhile? I need some more thoughts in this area because to me this is making me see you as being scummy. Defending people who you don't have an indicative of their alignment as town does not make sense, you would only defend someone when scum because you want to gain a townie's trust, or by setting them up to look scummy through association. Also the fact you seem so sure that D1 is going to result in a town lynch also tips me off that you have an idea who is town, and only scum would feel this confidence. It feels as though you are setting town up to be discouraged on lynching and ready to town shame by the end of it. Lastly null tells gives me another tip of being scummy because scum are afraid to commit to reads until they have a plan on who to get on their side and who to frame. Shinichi-kun said: Not sure what they even pointed out that actually make's me trully seem scummy also if and when I do die it's gonna be funny when both their read's are thrown back at them and they get mindblown unless they are both scum cause they just be happy I died. This guilt tripping is something that makes you look even scummier by the way. This is just a way to make you place doubt in people in lynching you as scum. If you are town here, again, I fail to see the point of how funny it would be to waste a lynch on you to prove a point. Shinichi-kun said: Only defend people on day 1 most of the time and if someone is scum who I'm defending oh well it happens just like how a day 1 lynch can lead to a townies death. How are you so sure that it will lead to a townies death? If someone is being under attack, why don't you spend time analyzing the reason why they are being attacked instead of jumping to their rescue? Shinichi-kun said: At the same time i don't see any harm in what I'm doing because it's up to other's to follow me. Nope I defend people day 1 regardless of alignment and I understand your logic it's just kinda part of my good moral I defend people that's what I do lmao. There's a slight panic tone here when you reiterate the point that you made twice. You are justifying your actions and trying to reaffirm that your meta is the same regardless of what alignment you are is the read i am getting here. Shinichi-kun said: I would have to reread everything to give you an accurate answer to the reads on that train which i will be doing tomorrow morning or soonish maybe if i'm still awake. That's fine, I will hold you to it. Shinichi-kun said: Can you quote me where i said its gunranteed town will be lynched day 1 cause even I've been in games where mafia have been lynched on day 1. Scratch out the guarantee word from this, but you have an example within your own message that just mentions townies being lynched D1. Shinichi-kun said: I don't plan on shaming anyone if a townie get's lynched because of their own reasoning that's on them, though not sure how I'm setting up anyone to be discouraged by defending people where I see fit. You just said you'd defend anyone regardless of alignment, so that in itself is interrupting other people's activities to truly scum hunt and reveal the alignment of themselves/others. Your defending just serves as a distraction because it confuses town what your intentions are really are. That is the way I perceive it. Shinichi-kun said: Not true atleast for me cause when I finally do a read list I gotta reread everything stuff and post's so stick in my head so for me to accurately answer a read question i gotta go back and find every post at that moment so for me its easier to just say someone is a neutral read till i can atleast gather my thoughts. Why mention your neutral reads at all then? Shinichi-kun said: Also I think I've hinted at my role a few times in all my post. Really? because I can't remember except the constant screaming of "townie" as a guilt tripping method which again is scummy :/ Not really guilt tripping tho am I, i just no what I will flip and how it will effect town that's all. Not that I'm sure stat's wise their prob a higher chance town will get lynched day 1 and cuase takes time for me to analyze stuff that's why. That's good then cause that's the read I want people to have because im pretty sure most of my action's are the same everygame i would be lieing if i said i act the same way everygame cause no ones that consistant. Ok ya I do get where your coming from with the people being discouraged now that you mention it but at the same time, don't you think if people get both a defense and procecution on a person they can get a better understanding off someones alignment? Cause it's still a read even if its a bad one at that. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: aa-dono said: Was about to vote lynch Shinichi-kun because of the contradiction vibe he gives me but going through posts again and I can't ignore this: Vote Arrisu I feel like she's putting in a random vote, for the sake of voting. But since we're out of that phase, she comes out with "I'll give reasons later" and then just agreeing with what others pointed at. That wasn't what I was implying and if she did get scumreads from me by that post, she would read and check again but instead she used the fact that I did discuss about that to strengthen her vote. She's not really putting a random vote when her intentions was clear that she wants to add pressure on you, do you not think this is the usual Ari play? I know usual Ari play is aggressive, but I can't really judge since when it's Ari, all I could think of is Skype mafia. Just not with Jack about her being confident makes her town. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: Def interested in the game or I wouldn't be playing lmao what kind of observation is that haha. If the time comes and i feel as though I'm in dire chance of being lynched then ill gather the info to prove im town. Why not spend the time to prove other people are scum? I will and I am it just takes time for me to gather that info that's all. |
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Jackrito said: followind said: I was wondering for a while where he role hinted.. I thought I missed it so I've waited for people to point it out If there aren't anyone that knows about it.. I'll probably ask about it myself but it doesn't seems to be the case here I don't think it is a good idea to search for the hints or even admit they was some now scum will look for them and kill if he is telling the truth. I find it a bit scummy how you want such info so early and it handed to you. I agree with jack here |
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PentaFlare said: Vote Count 1.5: aa-dono (3): Arrisu, Crossbell, Togs Shinichi-kun (3): Jackrito, SoulEaterQUEEN, LucianRoy Arrisu (2): Shinichi-kun, aa-dono Jackrito (2): Bee-Boy, Shuuka SightlessReality (2): Soren, SightlessReality Players not voting: (followind, bioshade2) Mod Notes: I figured this would be a talkative game, but I'm still impressed >> Time until the phase change << Based on this vote count still wondering whre shuuka and soren went. I also don't like Jack and Arrisu votes. But at the same time if dono flips scum i'll have to town read ari cause I can't see her bussing her partner so early on espically since why would mafia put so much focus on another partner. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: aa-dono said: Thanks for the compliment. I don't make much speculation on Day 1. I wish I could but meh. Anyway, what do you mean I'm not scum-hunting? Also, I never said the Twilight phase is advantageous. I was pointing out that it's a double-edge. How are you reading it? @aa-dono I'm reading a lot of posts where you ask clarification of player's on what they said, which by all means is fine, but I am not getting a clear sense of some of your own reads. Can you give us a read or two, or some observation list that points us to what you think are hints to alignments? Nothing much. I gave my reasons for Ari, and I'm not getting a good feeling about Shinichi-kun. Other than them, those I think could be town is Crossbell and Togs. Could be scum is Soren and followind. Anyway, I can't stay up anymore. Guess here's my hope for a tie, so that when I wake up, it'll be Twilight phase and I get to discuss more. |
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Jackrito said: I may as well update this while I go. For people who hate long posts I will spoiler that the short version is my reads currently are strong Scum: Shinchi,Soren,Dono,Bee-boy, slight scum: Sightless, Togs ( He could go in strong but I just find his style scummy so trying not to be biased.) Neu (Shuuka,Bioshade,Lucian,Followwind) Strong town SoulEaterQueen,Crossbell, Ari, If people want me to explain any of these reads please ask. Your reply on Soren: I was ready to see a vote change on Soren. I don't understand why he did not switch his vote to you if he made hints on suspecting you when his idea of the policy day 1 lynch was deemed lousy by the mass. I feel as though Bee-Boy is sheeping Soren's reasoning for suspecting you. I also feel as though Bee-Boy is behaving more passively which raises alarms a little bit. I disagree with your read on Togs, he comes off similarly in the Tsundere Madness game with his "tunnelling" but he is actually showing analysis to the game which to me seems hard to fabricate. Though his defense on Shinichi-kun brings an interesting point... Also from this list, can I ask who do you WANT to see to go into twilight phase the most? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Jackrito71 So much love and hate in 1 post though this is typical jack. Jack Im just curious of why you would think a scummy policy lynch would make soren get town cred, because if anything coming from soren that just makes him scummy. 145 Soren make's a good point here you do so much talking about your adapting playstyle which seem's like cover to make yourself seem like a townie or to make people think you have no bad motive's with what yoy say or do.147 Here it seem's your activly trying to point out your improving your town skills to get some sympathy and make it look like your trying to be towny maybe? Togs 240 I like how he comes in talking about the game mechanic and pointing out how they would help town i give him town read for this. He also makes a good point that we should utilize the double lynch while ahead, cause if we utilize once we are at a loss it could just put us deeper in the hole.261 The way he responds here seem's genuine, basically a townie giving his opinion on everything that is going on I don't sense anything motive's here. souleaterqueen I'm actually curious to this post 74, What made you think he was gonna lurk? Or did you just wanna get an easy train started on someone.Not sure why you would follow up on this 82 but at the same time I also gathered that if one of you flips scum the other is confirmed town cause I can't see 2 scums interacting here.367 Now that i'm giving a much better perspective on how I see everyone in this game what do you think?Also after rereading everything I do get a slight scum vibe from jack but only slightly. Crossbell 148 Why though, why not just point out your reasons instead of trying to gain cred from pointing out you do have town reads on people. 192 I get a slight town read mainly cause he was the first to bring it up but at the same time it also gives me a slight scum read since he might wanna take advantage of 2 mislynches if he's scum.203 I feel as though here your stat's are biased and your not taking in the account of both lynches being a mislynch, are you that confident in your reads and the chance of scum being caught day 1? 227 Instantly stopped a discussion why he knew it was no benefit for the town and was getting us no where i give him a town read for this.399 I don't know if its just me but cross seem's to always point out when town are going in the wrong direction or doing something they shouldn't can't really see a scum doing that but at the same time I guess it's a neutral at the same time. BeeboyI like this post65,mainly cause it seem's like he's trying to find town early on to get some good reads.362 Why bring up the fact that some of my post's are fluffy do you think it makes me scummy? 417 Do you think this make's him scummy? Reality Good ole Reality here 98, I can't really say anything much but since his play style is still the same it will be hard to read him this game like al;ways but lets hope his trap works. 198 His worries seem genuine as scum he would wanna push a mislynch while still being discreet but instead he brings up the negative effects like i did. Lucian 418 Come's into the game giving his opinion and thought's on everything that has been going on. Explained his likes and dislike about everything he could here. Thought all of this make's him lean towards both scum and town at thw same time.Btw I'm not buddying with jack and i'm pretty sure this isn't the first time I openly defending jack on day 1 nor the first time i've been called out on it. His idea on the twilight phase give off a town read because he both understands the risk's and necessity of the phase. Followwind 446 Why not vote yet? I wish I could figure that out too because she's not really giving much reason to it. Finally someone realizes i do tend to protect everyone alot atleast on day 1. As for the soul jack quarrel if 1 flips mafia it's safe to say the other would be town. Do like how you come in with read's on people and the fact that your instantly question ari on her reasoning :P. AA-dono The fact that she asks this question 178 seems genuine an gives off a slight town read. 426 Yes I did also and I meant that he prob has a townlike thought process which is why people always think he's town, I didn't mean to say i thought he was townlike just that other's see him that way. 430 She's asking geuine questions here and seem's like people aren't really giving good answers for her. 437 Make's a good point here about ari. 439 Mainly didn't have much reads on people till now, but at the same time people espically trains tend to have atlaest 1 scum on them that's why i said that. Soren The posts of all posts 79, not sure why you wanna policy lynch someone its extremely scummy unless you have some way to prove he's scum this is -1 point for you. 214 This is a huge if and what happen's if it back fire cause of wrong reads? 219 I don't think this is true because people could just be like reality and say nothing though i doubt that lol, curious why your so into taking the risk knowing it could hurt town greatly. Biosshade 248 I don't find this true at all aslong as they keep their eye's open and don't focus on just 1 person. It's actually pretty scummy in my opinion to only focus on 1 person so much on day 1. Arrisu 278 Comes into the game with a vote I like it and picks a person that need's to be pressured also points out that we need to focus less on mechanics. 287 She want's people to follow her reasoning on me but doesn't show any proof or facts. Also you bring up people should pressure dono more and that you have something on her but ain't giving us something to work with, if you had town motives no reason to hide anything. 288 Not a fan of the fact she's asking people to start a train without giving her reasons for that and the fact that she picks only people she knows are easy to jump on trains. Though if she does flip scum I can't see both of them being scum with her maybe 1 or the other. 340 I actualy found your play style a little different this game espically cause your witholding information i never see you do that. Only town vibe i get from you is when u voting dono to create pressure on someone that was being ignored the rest comes off as scummy to me. Shuuka 254 Come's into her first game an votes, not sure what to think about this but gives a slight town vibe. Neutral Reads Town reads slight scum reads full scum reads You know sympathy appeals is one of my biggest hates in mafia and I vote people for them. so if you really think I would use that not sure what to say. That is just me been upfront about my town comapred to scum game when asked no point lying about it. Same about the adapting playstyle part nothing of this should be new to you. Also I have explained my view on the Sightless lynch been safe and not doing so again. On other reads how do you have a scum read on Bee-boy but say nothing bad on them? Your read on Ari seems to show them more as a townie then a scum in my view but it is your strongest read what is that about. In day one you do not need to give reasons for every vote some info is best kept hidden to put even more pressure on your target, this is not a scum tell. At this point you should have more then a neu on Dono as well they have posted enough for you to go one way or another the amounts of posts you linked show this. Shuuka voting the leading target is not a town read at all not sure how you got that. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jackrito said: I may as well update this while I go. For people who hate long posts I will spoiler that the short version is my reads currently are strong Scum: Shinchi,Soren,Dono,Bee-boy, slight scum: Sightless, Togs ( He could go in strong but I just find his style scummy so trying not to be biased.) Neu (Shuuka,Bioshade,Lucian,Followwind) Strong town SoulEaterQueen,Crossbell, Ari, If people want me to explain any of these reads please ask. Your reply on Soren: I was ready to see a vote change on Soren. I don't understand why he did not switch his vote to you if he made hints on suspecting you when his idea of the policy day 1 lynch was deemed lousy by the mass. I feel as though Bee-Boy is sheeping Soren's reasoning for suspecting you. I also feel as though Bee-Boy is behaving more passively which raises alarms a little bit. I disagree with your read on Togs, he comes off similarly in the Tsundere Madness game with his "tunnelling" but he is actually showing analysis to the game which to me seems hard to fabricate. Though his defense on Shinichi-kun brings an interesting point... Also from this list, can I ask who do you WANT to see to go into twilight phase the most? Vote change FROM Soren*** |
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Jackrito said: I may as well update this while I go. For people who hate long posts I will spoiler that the short version is my reads currently are strong Scum: Shinchi,Soren,Dono,Bee-boy, slight scum: Sightless, Togs ( He could go in strong but I just find his style scummy so trying not to be biased.) Neu (Shuuka,Bioshade,Lucian,Followwind) Strong town SoulEaterQueen,Crossbell, Ari, If people want me to explain any of these reads please ask. Worries me that i'm getting some of the same reads from someone I see as slight scum :O Not sure why you think tog is even slightly scummy tho. |
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| My current thoughts. {Togs, SoulEaterQUEEN, Arrisu} {Crossbell, LucianRoy} {Soren, SightlessReality, followind} {aa-dono, Shuuka} {Jackrito, Shinichi-kun} I am sure you guys can figure out what this means. |
| @jackrito Slight town read i said lol, but she still neutral until she posts more. Because beeboy focus come's off as slight scum even tho i posted alot of good points. Hmm I see most of the stuff i pointed out towards ari as scummy but you get a town vibe off of them cause like I said only thing i find townlike is her pressure on dono. But at the same time i feel as though she could use that to gain town cred by finding a good person for train to begin on. Because slightless is showing caution which gives me town vibe's, he doesn't wanna do something that could put town at risk. |
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aa-dono said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: @aa-dono I'm reading a lot of posts where you ask clarification of player's on what they said, which by all means is fine, but I am not getting a clear sense of some of your own reads. Can you give us a read or two, or some observation list that points us to what you think are hints to alignments? Nothing much. I gave my reasons for Ari, and I'm not getting a good feeling about Shinichi-kun. Other than them, those I think could be town is Crossbell and Togs. Could be scum is Soren and followind. Anyway, I can't stay up anymore. Guess here's my hope for a tie, so that when I wake up, it'll be Twilight phase and I get to discuss more. But you just said in a reply to Jack that Ari/Bee-Boy are doing the same thing, why did you not mention Bee-Boy in this at all? Why could be scum for Soren and followind - what's tipping you off that they could be scum?? |
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Jackrito said: I'm saying that he mentioned that he role hinted so I was browsing the page and couldn't find it..followind said: I was wondering for a while where he role hinted.. I thought I missed it so I've waited for people to point it out If there aren't anyone that knows about it.. I'll probably ask about it myself but it doesn't seems to be the case here I don't think it is a good idea to search for the hints or even admit they was some now scum will look for them and kill if he is telling the truth. I find it a bit scummy how you want such info so early and it handed to you. So.. I'm just wondering if he did role hint or not What I wanted to know is where or did he role hinted and not what he role hinted |
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Bee-Boy said: My current thoughts. {Togs, SoulEaterQUEEN, Arrisu} {Crossbell, LucianRoy} {Soren, SightlessReality, followind} {aa-dono, Shuuka} {Jackrito, Shinichi-kun} I am sure you guys can figure out what this means. Umm this? Strong Town Slight Town Null Slight Scum Strong scum ? |
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