Sword Art Online (light novel)
ataraxial said: Lol okay. We can discuss it if you want. Can we just call it a semi-tasteful harem? Like without some of the negative connotations? But definitely multiple-girls-liking-a-single-guy nonetheless? Asuna and Kirito being an official couple hardly changes the fact that at least five girls have fallen to his pheromones. Are you God? Took the words of my mouth. I like to call SAO a pseudo-harem (just like Nisemonogatari). While the girls don't are "FUCK ME" like in Nise, they sure have a romantic interest in Kirito, and there are more than 3 of them. |
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ssjokg said: Except that she didnt.She "fall in love" with him AFTER he woke up and she met Kirito. Maybe I misunderstood what was in the LN in. From what I got out of reading it is that Suguha has always had feelings for Kirito. It turned into love when she realized there was a chance she would never see him again because SAO turned into a death game. Regardless, the anime did this very poorly, just like many parts. |
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ataraxial said: Niyawa said: omfgugay said: Yep they did, some people answered your question already.. don't know why the haters want to complicate things and just say whatever they want because they hate it to such an extent.. Are we reading the same thread? I don't see haters here. Yeah, the closest to trolling/hate in this thread is probably the guy's username. Just to point this out.. there is a difference between hating and trolling, there isnt any trolling in here but there is obviously some clearly shown hate. |
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ataraxial said: Niyawa said: vbyo said: SAO is not a harem, yet again. It is though. Discuss. Lol okay. We can discuss it if you want. I'd rather not, there are a few threads with this in it. |
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Niyawa said: ataraxial said: Lol okay. We can discuss it if you want. Can we just call it a semi-tasteful harem? Like without some of the negative connotations? But definitely multiple-girls-liking-a-single-guy nonetheless? Asuna and Kirito being an official couple hardly changes the fact that at least five girls have fallen to his pheromones. Are you God? Took the words of my mouth. I like to call SAO a pseudo-harem (just like Nisemonogatari). While the girls don't are "FUCK ME" like in Nise, they sure have a romantic interest in Kirito, and there are more than 3 of them. Haha, that's pretty good. I didn't even notice the similarity with Bake/Nisemonogatari. It's pretty much the same situation, except it's a lot more explicit in SAO that the girls all love him. In -monogatari, the relationships are more varied than just "I spent some time with Kirito and fell for his virtual sweat chemicals. I haven't seen him much since, but now I love him." omfgugay said: Just to point this out.. there is a difference between hating and trolling, there isnt any trolling in here but there is obviously some clearly shown hate. You're right, that's why I mentioned both of them to be fully inclusive since they are similar and easily confused. But I don't think there's much hate in this thread. Maybe a couple of the earlier posts have traces of it, but it's definitely on a manageably low level. |
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ataraxial said: Haha, that's pretty good. I didn't even notice the similarity with Bake/Nisemonogatari. It's pretty much the same situation, except it's a lot more explicit in SAO that the girls all love him. In -monogatari, the relationships are more varied than just "I spent some time with Kirito and fell for his virtual sweat chemicals. I haven't seen him much since, but now I love him." You are God aren't you, don't hide it! omfgugay said: There is a difference between hating and trolling, there isnt any trolling in here but there is obviously some clearly shown hate. You're misunderstanding something. There's a difference between hating, whereas you bash the show for no reason/without any backup, and discussing it with arguments/ideas. That is what I believe we've been doing. vbyo said: I'd rather not, there are a few threads with this in it. True, but I don't discuss SAO since episode 12, so I was a little bored. Z-flame said: From the perspective of the people in love, you can be correct. Just to make it a little more clear. The way you used the word "ordinary", puts a negative tone within it, something like "average" or "normal" would be more fitting for friends for example (like the situation we are). That's why "ordinary" would be best for unknown people. |
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| Is there really a point to this thread...? It's like asking the girls of NTR why they've fallen for the fatass that raped them... The answer will almost always be the dick... In Asuna's case it might have something to do with two years worth of glopping sperm... Obviously Suguha must have done some experiments on Kirito's body over the 2 years, and realized how crazed she was for his cock... It's SAO after all... |
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YorozuyaGinSan said: Is there really a point to this thread...? Ask yourself that question again, but with your post as the subject. Nah, kidding. Z-flame said: Don't look much into it. The only reason I used the word "ordinary" was merely because KaiKatsuya had said "ordinary high school student", that's all. I see, my apologies then. |
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JavierR said: IMO kirito is just a human aphrodisiac It's the pheromones from his fairy wings. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
YorozuyaGinSan said: Is there really a point to this thread...? It's like asking the girls of NTR why they've fallen for the fatass that raped them... The answer will almost always be the dick... In Asuna's case it might have something to do with two years worth of glopping sperm... Obviously Suguha must have done some experiments on Kirito's body over the 2 years, and realized how crazed she was for his cock... It's SAO after all... Hate levels are rising. But speaking of NTR, why do people hate Sugou so much? He's like the least threatening NTR character ever. I mean, I dislike him, but he hasn't even done anything. And it's not like he can go up against Kirito's pheromones and win. |
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ataraxial said: Hate levels are rising. But speaking of NTR, why do people hate Sugou so much? He's like the least threatening NTR character ever. I mean, I dislike him, but he hasn't even done anything. And it's not like he can go up against Kirito's pheromones and win. There's no reason, he's the main villian, most will hate him you wanting or not, unless he was Dio, hi is awesome in his own way. Also, may I ask what is appearing in my avatar? |
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ataraxial said: YorozuyaGinSan said: Is there really a point to this thread...? It's like asking the girls of NTR why they've fallen for the fatass that raped them... The answer will almost always be the dick... In Asuna's case it might have something to do with two years worth of glopping sperm... Obviously Suguha must have done some experiments on Kirito's body over the 2 years, and realized how crazed she was for his cock... It's SAO after all... Hate levels are rising. But speaking of NTR, why do people hate Sugou so much? He's like the least threatening NTR character ever. I mean, I dislike him, but he hasn't even done anything. And it's not like he can go up against Kirito's pheromones and win. Because of no life otaku claiming Asuna as their waifu. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| because Kirito is an Alpha male, that is how nature rolls, get use to it |
Niyawa said: There's no reason, he's the main villian, most will hate him you wanting or not, unless he was Dio, hi is awesome in his own way. Also, may I ask what is appearing in my avatar? A greyscale side-shot of some dude? BloodRequiem said: Because of no life otaku claiming Asuna as their waifu. I like this explanation. j0x said: because Kirito is an Alpha male, that is how nature rolls, get use to it Not sure if stupid or stupid. No offense. |
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JavierR said: BloodRequiem said: Because of no life otaku claiming Asuna as their waifu. but aren't the otaku being ntr'd by kirito? >Kirito >The omega >Having the ability to NTR anyone |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
JavierR said: BloodRequiem said: Because of no life otaku claiming Asuna as their waifu. but aren't the otaku being ntr'd by kirito? But isn't Kirito a self-insert character? |
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ataraxial said: JavierR said: BloodRequiem said: Because of no life otaku claiming Asuna as their waifu. but aren't the otaku being ntr'd by kirito? But isn't Kirito a self-insert character? That's Asuna. If you know what I mean. |
LunaNov 9, 2012 9:17 AM
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
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ataraxial said: A greyscale side-shot of some dude? What the fuck MAL, change my avatar already. BloodRequiem said: >Kirito >The omega >Having the ability to NTR anyone >Jesus >Self-insert Pick two. |
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Niyawa said: ataraxial said: A greyscale side-shot of some dude? What the fuck MAL, change my avatar already. BloodRequiem said: >Kirito >The omega >Having the ability to NTR anyone >Jesus >Self-insert Pick two. It does say that you need to wait 5 minutes. Also I don't see how he is similar to Jesus other than the fact that they are both men. Jesus doesn't crawl and he doesn't glop it all and in the end what ever he does actually matters. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
ssjokg said: Suguha confused her feelings for love in the beginning.She like Kazuto wanted to recover their relationship as brother and sister.His "devotion" to Asuna and how he was because she wasnt awake made her jealous and confused her. im pretty sure this is the reason |
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Z-flame said: @Niyawa Don't look much into it. The only reason I used the word "ordinary" was merely because KaiKatsuya had said "ordinary high school student", that's all. I didn't, the novel did. |
ataraxial said: There has to be something I'm missing, because it can't be normal to fall in love with a comatose brother / cousin. Or a brother / cousin who just got out of a coma. Or a brother / cousin who was distant from absorbing himself in virtual reality video games before even going comatose. Going even further back, Suguha would be too young (at most 8) for actual romantic attraction. And this is all ignoring the Westermarck effect even though they were raised up together. Since we're talking about anime. From Japan. But the thing is that Suguha liking Kirito doesn't really make sense even if we ignore the fact that they are related and spent the first few years of their lives together. Did the LN explain this at all? Edit: Inb4 "because SAO is sexist." i find it weird you choose to bring up a brother/cousin incest question in SAO i mean it happens all too often in anime anyway, this is no different. either way *cringeeeeee* |
LunaNov 9, 2012 9:24 AM
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XR said: i find it weird you choose to bring up a brother/cousin incest question in SAO i mean it happens all too often in anime anyway, this is no different. It's not really an incest question. |
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| you kind of make it a big deal that they are related, so it kind of does fall into that realm tbh. U mention their relationship of brother/cousin three times and talk about being raised together etc. So yes it kind of is. |
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XR said: The problem was why,how and when she fall in love with Kazuto. Change brother/cousin to childhood friend and it's still the same question.you kind of make it a big deal that they are related, so it kind of does fall into that realm tbh. U mention their relationship of brother/cousin three times and talk about being raised together etc. So yes it kind of is. also ataraxial said: And this is all ignoring the Westermarck effect even though they were raised up together. Since we're talking about anime. From Japan. But the thing is that Suguha liking Kirito doesn't really make sense even if we ignore the fact that they are related and spent the first few years of their lives together. |
ssjokg said: XR said: The problem was why,how and when she fall in love with Kazuto. Change brother/cousin to childhood friend and it's still the same question.you kind of make it a big deal that they are related, so it kind of does fall into that realm tbh. U mention their relationship of brother/cousin three times and talk about being raised together etc. So yes it kind of is. also ataraxial said: And this is all ignoring the Westermarck effect even though they were raised up together. Since we're talking about anime. From Japan. But the thing is that Suguha liking Kirito doesn't really make sense even if we ignore the fact that they are related and spent the first few years of their lives together. i do see where u r coming from there, but it was just the emphasis he put on their relationship as siblings that made it seem like an incest question. Either way i dont see the problem considering in a lot of anime people fall in love as childhood friends then when reunited are still in love. She could have fallen in love with him early on and held onto it. Love at first sight etc, all that malarkey, i don't see the issue really. |
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Niyawa said: omfgugay said: There is a difference between hating and trolling, there isnt any trolling in here but there is obviously some clearly shown hate. You're misunderstanding something. There's a difference between hating, whereas you bash the show for no reason/without any backup, and discussing it with arguments/ideas. That is what I believe we've been doing. Please go look up the definition again for hate, as well as the differences since you don't seem to completely understand what it exactly means. I don't see any arguments and posts that have backup, mostly hostility towards the anime. Bashing for no reason is trolling, whether your trying to get attention or not. Much of the posts seemed to be removed by the moderator now though. |
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omfgugay said: Please go look up the definition again for hate, as well as the differences since you don't seem to completely understand what it exactly means. I don't see any arguments and posts that have backup, mostly hostility towards the anime. Bashing for no reason is trolling, whether your trying to get attention or not. Much of the posts seemed to be removed by the moderator now though. There you go. |
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XR said: i do see where u r coming from there, but it was just the emphasis he put on their relationship as siblings that made it seem like an incest question. Either way i dont see the problem considering in a lot of anime people fall in love as childhood friends then when reunited are still in love. She could have fallen in love with him early on and held onto it. Love at first sight etc, all that malarkey, i don't see the issue really. Yes, you can handwave it and say "oh she always liked him and held onto it since that makes sense," but that's a conjecture and not an answer. In fact, we do know how their relationship developed and it doesn't support that conjecture at all. They were really close as siblings when they were young, but when Kirito was 10-ish, he found out that they were actually cousins. From that fact and with his quitting kendo and his increasing obsession for computers and virtual reality video games, he grew distant from Suguha. Suguha wanted to recover the close relationship they had, but she couldn't really do anything, so she buried herself in her kendo practicing and academics. She doesn't start to like Kirito romantically until he gets back from Aincrad, and she only "likes" him in the sense that she's confused about the jealousy that she feels when it comes to Kirito being devoted to Asuna. And she's confused about how he is suddenly approachable and friendly towards her. The romantic love stuff only really starts with meeting him in ALO. At least that's the most reasonable interpretation given what we know. Basically, the anime did a crappier job of explaining things that were already poorly explained in the LN. But what else is new? As for incest, the whole second paragraph of the first post was there to state as obviously as possible that it wasn't really an incest question. Mentioning the cousin/brother relationship was only for convenience. It would have been difficult and awkward to phrase the question without mentioning that Kirito and Suguha happen to be cousins and get the same meaning across. |
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| Ataraxial, all there is to it, that romance in SAO is inconsistent. We all know, it doesn't matter who's the girl, she will fall in love with Kirito. It's not really a matter of "why" anymore, it's "when". I'm pretty sure both fanboys/haters/casual viewers can agree with me, since this is what have been happening since episode 2. |
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Niyawa said: Except that, only 3 of the 5 "main" girls fall in love with him.And thats not counting the red haired one,Yoruko,the nun and the silver haired one from The Army.Ataraxial, all there is to it, that romance in SAO is inconsistent. We all know, it doesn't matter who's the girl, she will fall in love with Kirito. It's not really a matter of "why" anymore, it's "when". I'm pretty sure both fanboys/haters/casual viewers can agree with me, since this is what have been happening since episode 2. Of course Yui doesnt count.And Sachi didnt even need the LN to see that she didnt have romantic feelings for him.And according to Kawahara, Kirito was the one that had feelings for her. I will give you Silica since the anime didnt show that she looked at him as an older brother so 4 out of 5 "mains". You guys will even count |
ssjokgNov 9, 2012 2:17 PM
ssjokg said: Except that, only 3 of the 5 "main" girls fall in love with him.And thats not counting the red haired one,Yoruko,the nun and the silver haired one from The Army. Of course Yui doesnt count.And Sachi didnt even need the LN to see that she didnt have romantic feelings for him.And according to Kawahara, Kirito was the one that had feelings for her. I will give you Silica since the anime didnt show that she looked at him as an older brother so 4 out of 5 "mains". You guys will even count[spoilers]the two Lords for teasing him(and Lyfa) Hurm. See? I rest my case. |
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Niyawa said: ssjokg said: Except that, only 3 of the 5 "main" girls fall in love with him.And thats not counting the red haired one,Yoruko,the nun and the silver haired one from The Army. Of course Yui doesnt count.And Sachi didnt even need the LN to see that she didnt have romantic feelings for him.And according to Kawahara, Kirito was the one that had feelings for her. I will give you Silica since the anime didnt show that she looked at him as an older brother so 4 out of 5 "mains". You guys will even count Hurm. See? I rest my case. rest your case?Which part of not all girls fall for him didnt you get? |
ssjokg said: rest your case?Which part of not all girls fall for him didnt you get? I believe I meant you were right... |
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Niyawa said: ssjokg said: rest your case?Which part of not all girls fall for him didnt you get? I believe I meant you were right... We had an argument and you said "i rest my case".From the english I know that means that somehow I proved your claims.... Anyway, if you meant that my bad.... |
Niyawa said: Ataraxial, all there is to it, that romance in SAO is inconsistent. We all know, it doesn't matter who's the girl, she will fall in love with Kirito. It's not really a matter of "why" anymore, it's "when". I'm pretty sure both fanboys/haters/casual viewers can agree with me, since this is what have been happening since episode 2. You mean any girl that appears for more than 3 episodes. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
ssjokg said: We had an argument and you said "i rest my case".From the english I know that means that somehow I proved your claims.... Anyway, if you meant that my bad.... Oh, I'm not a native english speaker, so from time to time I get retarded like that, my apologies. BloodRequiem said: You mean any girl that appears for more than 3 episodes. I guess we could use that too. |
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BloodRequiem said: Niyawa said: Ataraxial, all there is to it, that romance in SAO is inconsistent. We all know, it doesn't matter who's the girl, she will fall in love with Kirito. It's not really a matter of "why" anymore, it's "when". I'm pretty sure both fanboys/haters/casual viewers can agree with me, since this is what have been happening since episode 2. You mean any girl that appears for more than 3 episodes. Now you decreased the number of girls that love him.Unless you count Liz's 2 appearances after her ep as actual screen time. |
Niyawa said: Ataraxial, all there is to it, that romance in SAO is inconsistent. We all know, it doesn't matter who's the girl, she will fall in love with Kirito. It's not really a matter of "why" anymore, it's "when". I'm pretty sure both fanboys/haters/casual viewers can agree with me, since this is what have been happening since episode 2. Pretty much, but I think meta-reasons for why Suguha likes Kirito are obvious (and boring) enough. I was only interested in whether the LN explained the situation in some logical way since the anime did not. Staying in-universe, Suguha is a special case because all of the other girls went with the pattern "Kirito hangs out with me for a bit-> I fall in love with him." What the anime makes Suguha's situation look like is "Kirito goes comatose -> I fall in love with him," which is at least slightly silly and confusing. |
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ataraxial said: Staying in-universe, Suguha is a special case because all of the other girls went with the pattern "Kirito hangs out with me for a bit-> I fall in love with him." What the anime makes Suguha's situation look like is "Kirito goes comatose -> I fall in love with him," which is at least slightly silly and confusing. That would be another way to look at it. You have a "brother" or friend that you're related with. Suddenly that same brother/friend enters in comatose, and you realize that you really liked being with him and stuff. Now try to put yourself in Suguha's situation. Far as I know, she wasn't very close with him at all. And was trying to close the gap in their relationship (someone can correct me if I'm wrong). That's what makes it inconsistent. The fact that she fell in love with him while they never really had a chance to close that gap. Again, I believe everyone knows that it's simple a plot device (making Kirito look badass). Because in-universe something like this happening would be pretty rare, if I care to say, unrealistic. But again, I don't want to argue with this because everyone has their circumstances, so while it's "unrealistic" for me. It can be something normal or rather, in the situation, meant to happen. |
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