Why do people think this show is nationalistic?

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I believe even the counter-argument that the Chinese are the only villains can be logically parried. The GAA isn't attacking Japan because they're just evil and for the lulz. Even if you were to subscribe to the theory that the novel is overly nationalist, I believe you would have to agree that a country doing all they can to be competitive in a world that's changing is a valid reason for them to be aggressive. The GAA is not weak, well they weren't as weak as they've become as a result of their choices, but they're definitely not where they think they should be in Mahoukaverse. They attack Japan for two reasons: a) to annex Japan in to the GAA which seems to be an alliance of almost all the other Asian countries and b) for intelligence or knowledge that would make them better modern magicians. See, the GAA magicians are pretty good Ancient magicians. However, in a world overtaken by modern magic, they've become somewhat obsolete and would like to change that.

Of course, all this isn't even taking into consideration the fact that one of the masterminds behind these frequent assaults on Japan actually has very little to do with the country itself. The Black Sage is originally from Dahan which was annexed into the GAA. He has an axe to grind with the Yotsuba for past issues and is effectively using the GAA as a pawn, hoping to weaken both countries.

If we were being brutally honest, the GAA is even being portrayed in a sympathetic light. The USNA has also being portrayed quite realistically, if you were to think about it. Allies on the surface but not above standing by to watch Japan be weakened by third parties or sneaking in operatives to remove threats to them. And far from being portrayed as a perfect country, Japan has been shown to be so unethical with its magic that other countries out-source unethical magic practices to Japan. A prime example is the genetic experimentations that are beginning to bite Japan in the ass currently

This is not to say the story doesn't display nationalist tendencies at all in certain instances. For instance, of course Japan has one of the strongest Strategic magicians. And of course Japan emerged from the 3rd world war relatively unscathed. However, I believe approaching the politics in the story from a Western perspective is a mistake that will inevitably sour your enjoyment of the series. I also believe it makes sense that a Japanese writer would write a story that that gives his own country advantages.

Aug 13, 2014 7:20 PM

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b-b-b-b-b-but. Chinese villains!

Concur with you sarcasm.

But to counter your hypothetical (if that is the right word :-) argument, the writer goes out of his way to call them "Hong Kong Mafia", and "Hong Kong" of course no longer exists as a separate political entity these days, so similar to calling "Russia" "Neo Soviet", the author does at least attempt to say "this world is not our world" (swapping east/west europe (geographically) I think was a similar tactic).

millie10468: likewise concur. In the first arc the "terrorist" organization was primarily Japanese based (at least all the members were), so there was really nothing particularly "Chinese" about it (though it was definitely an allusion to communism); in the second arc the opponent (the Hong Kong Mafia) were only involved out of greed, and when Tatsuya wiped them out, even his Japanese handler was a bit disgusted. In the third arc it seems a bit more political on political, but even here it is more "keeping up with the Jones "arm race"" than a serious geopolitical commentary.

As for your other comments, just to discuss, that Japan emerged relatively unscathed doesn't really promote Japan, because an alternative explanation could be that they were not important enough to scrub; as for "Strategic Magicians", based on the what the animation said, only 2 of 30 of the "Strategic" magicians are Japanese. In our world that would be about 3 times too many, but in they world of this story (where billions have already died), pretty much proportional.

Aug 14, 2014 4:55 AM

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There is nothing wrong with Chinese as antagonists. The problem is how they are portrayed. Till now EVERYONE of them was retarded, pathetic and helpless. Japan was already assaulted by them two times and two times utterly stomped them.
Also nota bene the strongest magician of USNA is of course half-Japanese.

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

Aug 14, 2014 7:28 AM

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jakkubus said:
There is nothing wrong with Chinese as antagonists. The problem is how they are portrayed. Till now EVERYONE of them was retarded, pathetic and helpless. Japan was already assaulted by them two times and two times utterly stomped them.
Also nota bene the strongest magician of USNA is of course half-Japanese.

Complaining about stuff like that is like complaining why all the strongest and popular U.S superheroes are American.Because most of them are created by American creators,same thing here.And they also fight villains from other countries.Blanche actually was more pathetic and helpless and they were mostly Japanese.

Other thing,Erika is 1/4? European (couldn't remember exact nationality) and Leo is half German ,and both are awesome characters and aren't pathetic in any way :)

Aug 14, 2014 7:56 AM

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Complaining about stuff like that is like complaining why all the strongest and popular U.S superheroes are American.Because most of them are created by American creators,same thing here.And they also fight villains from other countries.Blanche actually was more pathetic and helpless and they were mostly Japanese.

The strongest Marvel and DC characters are extraterrestrials. :P
There is nothing wrong with Tatsuya as world's best magician being Japanese, but why most powerful USNA magician also must be part Japanese?

Other thing,Erika is 1/4? European (couldn't remember exact nationality) and Leo is half German ,and both are awesome characters and aren't pathetic in any way :)

Erika also is part German. For most Japanese people only countries outside Asian are USA and Germany.

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

Aug 14, 2014 8:05 AM

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jakkubus said:

The strongest Marvel and DC characters are extraterrestrials. :P
There is nothing wrong with Tatsuya as world's best magician being Japanese, but why most powerful USNA magician also must be part Japanese?

Erika also is part German. For most Japanese people only countries outside Asian are USA and Germany.

Never knew the Hulk was an alien :p

What's the problem with her being half Japanese?Keep in mind she doesn't have any loyalty to Japan.

Aug 14, 2014 8:12 AM

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Never knew the Hulk was an alien :p

What's the problem with her being half Japanese?Keep in mind she doesn't have any loyalty to Japan.

Hulk is nowhere near being Marvel's strongest.

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

Aug 14, 2014 8:15 AM

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It makes sense for Lina to be the strongest and half japanese, she has Kudou's clan blood. Magic talents comes from the genes and the master clans have the best genes among all the magicians in the world. It was explained why they were so successful in the LN.

It had been 97 years since the day that the supernatural power which heralded the arrival of what is now known as modern magic was observed by the USA at the time. It had been approximately 80 years since the development of magical techniques turned into the development and human modification of Magicians.

During this brief period of time, no, actually it was an even shorter time, as it only took 50 years or so to create a stable production of powerful Magicians – the "bloodlines" that belonged to "famous lineages of Magicians". Upon further consideration, this was a rather astounding fact - In a mere half century, they had successfully developed the "race" known as Magicians.

Of course, there were a host of reasons lurking in the background. In order to bring about this possibility, more developed countries invested massive scientific as well as economic resources and began a furious competition. Since the start of the latter half of the previous century, energy depletion had turned into a dreaded future that hung like a dark shadow in the hearts of the people (in more developed countries). Furthermore, after 2030 AD, the Earth had noticeably cooled, which was then accompanied by the ensuing food shortage. Caused by the infighting for food and resources, the Third World War became a powerful impetus for the development of Magicians – to the point that basic human rights, a core pillar of society, were abandoned.

Even before the 20 chaotic years of war, the entire globe had already somewhat publicly conducted "human modification" and "human breeding projects", all in the name of developing a race called Magicians. The fact that magic could be inherited had already been acknowledged in the age where magic was held to be a superpower, which only served to legitimize the progress of magical development towards the creation of "superior bloodlines".

From the perspective of modifying the human species, developed countries used science to trample human dignity.

The creation of artificial wombs first began in the more developed countries.

Among the less developed countries, individuals with the potential were forced to mate – practically to the extent where nationally sanctioned rape was allowed to occur. However, among the more developed countries, cloning pre-fertilized zygotes and non-surgical methods to gather sperm – "gene selection" – were used to obtain large amounts of reproductive material to fertilize artificial wombs, hereby creating a more efficient approach to the development of Magicians. Genetic modification actually turned out to be the minority. Massive production of "test tube babies" without genetic modification was the true face of the development of Magicians in more developed countries.

Fortunately – that was one way of putting it, given the dissonance between the advances in science and human nature – children born from cloned embryos all died young for some unknown reason. The manner of their birth negatively affected them all. Based on metrics gathered by more developed countries, their average life expectancy was approximately 7 years. Infant mortality lowering the life expectancy was actually not the primary reason. Their lives were really that short, given that the oldest among them died at the age of 17. In addition, their deaths were not caused by rapid aging, but a natural death at a young age. Lives born from natural births failed to display this shortcoming, leading to suspicion that the problem may lie in cellular mitosis.

Still, latent magical talent could be measured at the age of 3. Thanks to their sacrifice, the correct method of matching embryos and zygotes was discovered. This had a profound impact on the second and third generations, to the point that genetic simulations could be used for analysis. Thenceforth, a country only needed to use arranged interviews as an excuse to pair marriage partners, intentionally prompting the families to independently marry on their own.

Thus was born the families renowned in modern magic. In Japan, they were represented by the Ten Master Clans.

The reason why Japan’s "famous lineages of Magicians" became the most refined application in the world was because amongst the various cultural backgrounds for the most developed countries, Japan had the easiest time accepting this sort of marriage relationship.

Isn’t it ironic that scientific advancements that were utterly inhumane were ultimately at the mercy of cultural motivations? Or, should this be the ultimate manifestation of the resilience of "humanity"? That detail will likely be decided by history.

Aug 14, 2014 8:16 AM

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jakkubus said:

Hulk is nowhere near being Marvel's strongest.

The dude that left injured half of Marvel's strongest characters in the World War Hulk storyline?Read it so you find out you should never anger the Hulk.

Aug 14, 2014 8:43 AM

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darkreaperix said:

jakkubus said:

Hulk is nowhere near being Marvel's strongest.

The dude that left injured half of Marvel's strongest characters in the World War Hulk storyline?Read it so you find out you should never anger the Hulk.

Hulk is rather weaker than Runelord Thor or Phoenix.

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

Aug 14, 2014 8:52 AM

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jakkubus said:

Hulk is rather weaker than Runelord Thor or Phoenix.

All the Phoenix host's are American except for Colossus.Thor is a god not an alien.

Lets see
Superman strength thats gets stronger the more angrier he gets.
Super fast Regen that surpasses Deadpool's

He flat out took Black Bolt's scream that can shatter planets in half (but was retconned and the BB he fought turned out to be a Skrull impersonating him heh).

and we are derailing the thread with a debate of who's the strongest Marvel character,so lets cut it out :)

Aug 14, 2014 9:09 AM

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It makes sense for Lina to be the strongest and half japanese, she has Kudou's clan blood. Magic talents comes from the genes and the master clans have the best genes among all the magicians in the world. It was explained why they were so successful in the LN.

It had been 97 years since the day that the supernatural power which heralded the arrival of what is now known as modern magic was observed by the USA at the time. It had been approximately 80 years since the development of magical techniques turned into the development and human modification of Magicians.

During this brief period of time, no, actually it was an even shorter time, as it only took 50 years or so to create a stable production of powerful Magicians – the "bloodlines" that belonged to "famous lineages of Magicians". Upon further consideration, this was a rather astounding fact - In a mere half century, they had successfully developed the "race" known as Magicians.

Of course, there were a host of reasons lurking in the background. In order to bring about this possibility, more developed countries invested massive scientific as well as economic resources and began a furious competition. Since the start of the latter half of the previous century, energy depletion had turned into a dreaded future that hung like a dark shadow in the hearts of the people (in more developed countries). Furthermore, after 2030 AD, the Earth had noticeably cooled, which was then accompanied by the ensuing food shortage. Caused by the infighting for food and resources, the Third World War became a powerful impetus for the development of Magicians – to the point that basic human rights, a core pillar of society, were abandoned.

Even before the 20 chaotic years of war, the entire globe had already somewhat publicly conducted "human modification" and "human breeding projects", all in the name of developing a race called Magicians. The fact that magic could be inherited had already been acknowledged in the age where magic was held to be a superpower, which only served to legitimize the progress of magical development towards the creation of "superior bloodlines".

From the perspective of modifying the human species, developed countries used science to trample human dignity.

The creation of artificial wombs first began in the more developed countries.

Among the less developed countries, individuals with the potential were forced to mate – practically to the extent where nationally sanctioned rape was allowed to occur. However, among the more developed countries, cloning pre-fertilized zygotes and non-surgical methods to gather sperm – "gene selection" – were used to obtain large amounts of reproductive material to fertilize artificial wombs, hereby creating a more efficient approach to the development of Magicians. Genetic modification actually turned out to be the minority. Massive production of "test tube babies" without genetic modification was the true face of the development of Magicians in more developed countries.

Fortunately – that was one way of putting it, given the dissonance between the advances in science and human nature – children born from cloned embryos all died young for some unknown reason. The manner of their birth negatively affected them all. Based on metrics gathered by more developed countries, their average life expectancy was approximately 7 years. Infant mortality lowering the life expectancy was actually not the primary reason. Their lives were really that short, given that the oldest among them died at the age of 17. In addition, their deaths were not caused by rapid aging, but a natural death at a young age. Lives born from natural births failed to display this shortcoming, leading to suspicion that the problem may lie in cellular mitosis.

Still, latent magical talent could be measured at the age of 3. Thanks to their sacrifice, the correct method of matching embryos and zygotes was discovered. This had a profound impact on the second and third generations, to the point that genetic simulations could be used for analysis. Thenceforth, a country only needed to use arranged interviews as an excuse to pair marriage partners, intentionally prompting the families to independently marry on their own.

Thus was born the families renowned in modern magic. In Japan, they were represented by the Ten Master Clans.

The reason why Japan’s "famous lineages of Magicians" became the most refined application in the world was because amongst the various cultural backgrounds for the most developed countries, Japan had the easiest time accepting this sort of marriage relationship.

Isn’t it ironic that scientific advancements that were utterly inhumane were ultimately at the mercy of cultural motivations? Or, should this be the ultimate manifestation of the resilience of "humanity"? That detail will likely be decided by history.

Well, then Arab countries should be on par with Japan or even outclassing it. It is still strange that USNA, which is supposedly one of strongest global powers, has to rely on foreign genes.

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

Aug 14, 2014 3:50 PM

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Yokohama Disturbance arc will answer the question, why do people think this show is nationalistic.

No, rather being nationalistic, it insults that one country that is very close neighbor to Japan if you know what I mean.
And those people won't take it as just an insult, you can say those people are obviously overexaggerating.

At first, I also thought this series is nationalistic.
No, that's not the problem.
While promoting ones own country should be okay, the problem is underrating foreign country they do not even know of.
That causes misunderstandings.
I was rather misunderstood back then, how the series shows countries other than Japan is tied to controversy, while the country Japan itself is righteous.
But it wasn't.

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Aug 14, 2014 7:48 PM

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it insults that one country that is very close neighbor to Japan if you know what I mean.
And those people won't take it as just an insult, you can say those people are obviously overexaggerating.

Well, let's be honest, that "one country" would take a sneeze as an insult.

Nothing in this show to date has suggested that Japan is "Righteous", the only thing they have done is to defend their country from outside aggression. That's it. And every country has the right to defend itself from external threats. That isn't nationalism, that is self defense.

The real issue here isn't that this show is nationalistic, but rather that this is a Japanese show. If everything was exactly the same, but Tatsuya was an American, no one would be talking about "nationalism". Compared to say "Red Dawn", this show is relatively benign and internationalist.

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There is nothing wrong with Chinese as antagonists. The problem is how they are portrayed. Till now EVERYONE of them was retarded, pathetic and helpless. Japan was already assaulted by them two times and two times utterly stomped them.
Also nota bene the strongest magician of USNA is of course half-Japanese.

There goes my expectation for Yokohama arc. So the villain is Yokohama arc is just going to be some pathetic Chinese villain getting own by Tatsuya. I didn't read American comic but at least,from the movie and the cartoon I watch when I was kid,the villains aren't pathetic and helpless.

Still,I am just an anime viewer only and I might need to watch Yokohama arc first before I make my own independent judgement. However,if what you said here is true,then yes the author is definitely racist and nationalistic type of person.

ZapredonAug 14, 2014 9:21 PM

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

Aug 14, 2014 9:29 PM

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jakkubus said:
There is nothing wrong with Chinese as antagonists. The problem is how they are portrayed. Till now EVERYONE of them was retarded, pathetic and helpless. Japan was already assaulted by them two times and two times utterly stomped them.
Also nota bene the strongest magician of USNA is of course half-Japanese.

There goes my expectation for Yokohama arc. So the villain is Yokohama arc is just going to be some pathetic Chinese villain getting own by Tatsuya. I didn't read American comic but at least,from the movie and the cartoon I watch when I was kid,the villain aren't pathetic and the superhero certainly don't overpower the bad guys.

Still,I am just an anime viewer only and I might need to watch Yokohama arc first before I make my own independent judgement. However,if what you said here is true,then yes the author is definitely racist and nationalistic type of person.

Of course, if you plan to stop with the series after Yokohama, I'm sure you'll maintain that view because from what I can tell, the GAA are the pitiful ones in the story, not evil. They have reasons for attacking Japan, some of which is because they're being manipulated by people who aren't even originally from the GAA. After Yokohama, I did think the author was going a bit too far with his blatant preference for Japan but then the more I learned about things, the more I realized that he's trying to show that people who are too desperate for things tend not to see when they're being taken advantage of.

Look no one is denying that the author is writing from a pointedly Japanese perspective, and I personally don't think having a bit of nationalistic tendencies is particularly hateful. However, saying the author is racist is a bit of an exaggeration.

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Zapredon said:

There goes my expectation for Yokohama arc. So the villain is Yokohama arc is just going to be some pathetic Chinese villain getting own by Tatsuya. I didn't read American comic but at least,from the movie and the cartoon I watch when I was kid,the villain aren't pathetic and the superhero certainly don't overpower the bad guys.

Still,I am just an anime viewer only and I might need to watch Yokohama arc first before I make my own independent judgement. However,if what you said here is true,then yes the author is definitely racist and nationalistic type of person.

Of course, if you plan to stop with the series after Yokohama, I'm sure you'll maintain that view because from what I can tell, the GAA are the pitiful ones in the story, not evil. They have reasons for attacking Japan, some of which is because they're being manipulated by people who aren't even originally from the GAA. After Yokohama, I did think the author was going a bit too far with his blatant preference for Japan but then the more I learned about things, the more I realized that he's trying to show that people who are too desperate for things tend not to see when they're being taken advantage of.

Look no one is denying that the author is writing from a pointedly Japanese perspective, and I personally don't think having a bit of nationalistic tendencies is particularly hateful. However, saying the author is racist is a bit of an exaggeration.

How weak are those Chinese villains? Can give example with minimum spoiler?

One of my concern is that the author has issues(or racist) with Chinese people and therefore,he make them weak and pathetic and as a result,it's going to make the show boring due to having weak villain.

Ok,I just read the settings for Mahouka.
http://mahouka-koukou-no-rettousei.wikia.com/wiki/World_War_Three

First of all,judging from today politic, China and Japan having war and started WW3 make more sense to me rather than China and Russia started WW3 but I guess the author just doesn't want to portray Japan as bad guy that start WW3 so he use Russia instead. Sound very nationalistic. I am aware that anime/manga can sometime be like the author's fanfiction but Mahouka author just brought this to entirely new different level.

ZapredonAug 14, 2014 10:22 PM

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

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Zapredon said:

millie10468 said:

Of course, if you plan to stop with the series after Yokohama, I'm sure you'll maintain that view because from what I can tell, the GAA are the pitiful ones in the story, not evil. They have reasons for attacking Japan, some of which is because they're being manipulated by people who aren't even originally from the GAA. After Yokohama, I did think the author was going a bit too far with his blatant preference for Japan but then the more I learned about things, the more I realized that he's trying to show that people who are too desperate for things tend not to see when they're being taken advantage of.

Look no one is denying that the author is writing from a pointedly Japanese perspective, and I personally don't think having a bit of nationalistic tendencies is particularly hateful. However, saying the author is racist is a bit of an exaggeration.

How weak are those Chinese villains? Can give example with minimum spoiler?

One of my concern is that the author has issues(or racist) with Chinese people and therefore,he make them weak and pathetic and as a result,it's going to make the show boring due to having weak villain.

Well, I do personally think he has a bias against China and the Soviet Union but in my opinion, it's comparable to how some Americans felt about Russia back when almost all movie villains were Russian and how there's been an increase in Chinese villains currently. It's definitely not something I'd use as evidence of racisim though.

As for the Chinese villains

I don't know what other villains the author plans to introduce, nor do I know their nationalities. I do think, however, that the current villains we have are as effective as they should be...for now. They do need to step up their game though so I hope the 14th volume, which sounds like it has a lot of potential, sheds more light on the exact aim of the villains.

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millie10468 said:

Zapredon said:

How weak are those Chinese villains? Can give example with minimum spoiler?

One of my concern is that the author has issues(or racist) with Chinese people and therefore,he make them weak and pathetic and as a result,it's going to make the show boring due to having weak villain.

Well, I do personally think he has a bias against China and the Soviet Union but in my opinion, it's comparable to how some Americans felt about Russia back when almost all movie villains were Russian and how there's been an increase in Chinese villains currently. It's definitely not something I'd use as evidence of racisim though.

As for the Chinese villains

In other words, they are fodders and doesn't have sense of unity.
What else can be worse than that kind of pathetic antagonist?

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millie10468 said:

Zapredon said:

millie10468 said:

Zapredon said:

jakkubus said:
There is nothing wrong with Chinese as antagonists. The problem is how they are portrayed. Till now EVERYONE of them was retarded, pathetic and helpless. Japan was already assaulted by them two times and two times utterly stomped them.
Also nota bene the strongest magician of USNA is of course half-Japanese.

There goes my expectation for Yokohama arc. So the villain is Yokohama arc is just going to be some pathetic Chinese villain getting own by Tatsuya. I didn't read American comic but at least,from the movie and the cartoon I watch when I was kid,the villain aren't pathetic and the superhero certainly don't overpower the bad guys.

Still,I am just an anime viewer only and I might need to watch Yokohama arc first before I make my own independent judgement. However,if what you said here is true,then yes the author is definitely racist and nationalistic type of person.

Of course, if you plan to stop with the series after Yokohama, I'm sure you'll maintain that view because from what I can tell, the GAA are the pitiful ones in the story, not evil. They have reasons for attacking Japan, some of which is because they're being manipulated by people who aren't even originally from the GAA. After Yokohama, I did think the author was going a bit too far with his blatant preference for Japan but then the more I learned about things, the more I realized that he's trying to show that people who are too desperate for things tend not to see when they're being taken advantage of.

Look no one is denying that the author is writing from a pointedly Japanese perspective, and I personally don't think having a bit of nationalistic tendencies is particularly hateful. However, saying the author is racist is a bit of an exaggeration.

How weak are those Chinese villains? Can give example with minimum spoiler?

One of my concern is that the author has issues(or racist) with Chinese people and therefore,he make them weak and pathetic and as a result,it's going to make the show boring due to having weak villain.

Well, I do personally think he has a bias against China and the Soviet Union but in my opinion, it's comparable to how some Americans felt about Russia back when almost all movie villains were Russian and how there's been an increase in Chinese villains currently. It's definitely not something I'd use as evidence of racisim though.

As for the Chinese villains

In other words, they are fodders and doesn't have sense of unity.
What else can be worse than that kind of pathetic antagonist?

The further you go, the more you realize that they aren't even the real antagonists, that's what I'm trying to say.

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The further you go, the more you realize that they aren't even the real antagonists, that's what I'm trying to say.

Yeah, why should such pathetic cannon fodder be recognised as true antagonists? They are way too weak. And they are not evil, but just retarded.
The point is that Satou portrayed Japan as Übermensch and other countries (especially China/GAA) as helpless and pathetic.

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

Aug 15, 2014 9:36 AM

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Yeah, why should such pathetic cannon fodder be recognised as true antagonists? They are way too weak. And they are not evil, but just retarded.
The point is that Satou portrayed Japan as Übermensch and other countries (especially China/GAA) as helpless and pathetic.

The country that annexed half of Asia in the story is weak and pathetic,ok.

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jakkubus said:

Yeah, why should such pathetic cannon fodder be recognised as true antagonists? They are way too weak. And they are not evil, but just retarded.
The point is that Satou portrayed Japan as Übermensch and other countries (especially China/GAA) as helpless and pathetic.

The country that annexed half of Asia in the story is weak and pathetic,ok.

And was curbstomped by tiny Japan twice...

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

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And was curbstomped by tiny Japan twice...

Because the author is Japanese and has common sense to not destroy the country of his MC's?I don't think that the chinese are offended and,ironically the series is a bit popular in China too.Your post again are turning to trolling dude :)

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And was curbstomped by tiny Japan twice...

Because the author is Japanese and has common sense to not destroy the country of his MC's?I don't think that the chinese are offended and,ironically the series is a bit popular in China too.Your post again are turning to trolling dude :)

You missed the point again. In Mahouka not only China/GAA is retarded and pathetic, but whole world outside the Japan.

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

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You missed the point again. In Mahouka not only China/GAA is retarded and pathetic, but whole world outside the Japan.

How do you know when you admitted to not actually reading all the novels,I believe just scanned tru some volumes?From hate blogs? :heh

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How do you know when you admitted to not actually reading all the novels,I believe just scanned tru some volumes?From hate blogs? :heh

Didn't Lina lose to Tatsuya due to her inexperience? She went through USNA military training and it turned out to be insufficient, when she owe her magic power to her Japanese genes. So everything good in her was Japanese.

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

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Didn't Lina lose to Tatsuya due to her inexperience? She went through USNA military training and it turned out to be insufficient, when she owe her magic power to her Japanese genes. So everything good in her was Japanese.

Because Lina doesn't have that much real live battle experience since no other country wants to f*c# with USNA with their 3 SC magicians and Stars.

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And her other mission aside from the Parasites elimination was recruit Tatsuya or force him to defect to the USNA or if all efforts fail assassinate him.She wasn't out their just to kill him,which was a mistake as she became close to the siblings and kinda hesitated.But when he she was ready regrowth and his reflexes was the one that saved him because he couldn't decomp HMB.Tatsuya didn't kill her because it might become another shift in balance of power if the USNA lose an SC magician and he felt a kind of kinship (not exact words in the LN though) because both of them was on the same page,teens that was forged to become the ultimate human weapons.

Other thing author could have gave Mio the nuclear SC magic or any magic not the weak ass tidal wave SC magic that is basically useless in land or air battles.Japan has one of the weakest apostle in my opinion (as we only know 3,if I remember correctly apostles and their SC magics)

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jakkubus said:
Didn't Lina lose to Tatsuya due to her inexperience? She went through USNA military training and it turned out to be insufficient, when she owe her magic power to her Japanese genes. So everything good in her was Japanese.

Because Japanese shows aimed at Japanese teenagers SHOULD have American heroes I guess....

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jakkubus said:

And was curbstomped by tiny Japan twice...

Because the author is Japanese and has common sense to not destroy the country of his MC's?I don't think that the chinese are offended and,ironically the series is a bit popular in China too.Your post again are turning to trolling dude :)

Would be interesting to see how people from China react to Yokohama arc. Too bad,I can't read Chinese. Is the novel popular in China?

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

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To think that no one mentions the country that is most angry with this series.
It really is not an issue of weak characters and strong characters.
To them, the problem is history falsification with fiction.

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Because the author is Japanese and has common sense to not destroy the country of his MC's?I don't think that the chinese are offended and,ironically the series is a bit popular in China too.Your post again are turning to trolling dude :)

Do you even Zankyou no Terror, Coppelion or even Puella Magi Madoka Magica?
Hell, even Hollywood likes to destroy NYC once in a while.

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Orix said:

Do you even Zankyou no Terror, Coppelion or even Puella Magi Madoka Magica?
Hell, even Hollywood likes to destroy NYC once in a while.

Only Madoka in your list :)

I think the debate was why Japan curbstomped the GAA,and that was my reply.Madoka really wasn't fighting another country.

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jakkubus said:
Didn't Lina lose to Tatsuya due to her inexperience? She went through USNA military training and it turned out to be insufficient, when she owe her magic power to her Japanese genes. So everything good in her was Japanese.

Because Japanese shows aimed at Japanese teenagers SHOULD have American heroes I guess....

Um, what are you reffering to? I was pointing examples of Japanese superiority over the rest of world in Mahouka.

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

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Um, what are you reffering to? I was pointing examples of Japanese superiority over the rest of world in Mahouka.

Uhm,you have been saying that for a while,but without properly reading the novels,I don't know where you are getting such ideas.In the LN's it's a given fact the USNA is way above in magic tech and power than other countries including Japan,their military is no. 1 in the world (they have 3 of the apostles and we don't know yet if they have hidden SC magicians too),add the elite Stars,Stars that gave Godsuya trouble :)

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jakkubus said:

Um, what are you reffering to? I was pointing examples of Japanese superiority over the rest of world in Mahouka.

Uhm,you have been saying that for a while,but without properly reading the novels,I don't know where you are getting such ideas.In the LN's it's a given fact the USNA is way above in magic tech and power than other countries including Japan,their military is no. 1 in the world (they have 3 of the apostles and we don't know yet if they have hidden SC magicians too),add the elite Stars,Stars that gave Godsuya trouble :)

And said elite Star, that gave Tatsuya trouble is half-Japanese...

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

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And said elite Star, that gave Tatsuya trouble is half-Japanese...

Nope she's the commander of said elite but the grunts gave him a hard time :)

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And said elite Star, that gave Tatsuya trouble is half-Japanese...

So? Would it not make sense to send the person most familiar with Japanese to Japan? Particularly since the task was to try to recruit a Japanese teenager?

As for Japanese "superiority", all this show has done is substitute magic for technology, let me ask and answer honestly, which country today is best known for hacking other countries to steal their technology?

That is ALL this scenario is, the writer has replaced IT with PSI-T.

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So? Would it not make sense to send the person most familiar with Japanese to Japan? Particularly since the task was to try to recruit a Japanese teenager?

You are completely missing the point.

As for Japanese "superiority", all this show has done is substitute magic for technology, let me ask and answer honestly, which country today is best known for hacking other countries to steal their technology?

That is ALL this scenario is, the writer has replaced IT with PSI-T.

But, you know, technology is not dependent on genes.

jakkubusAug 17, 2014 12:28 PM

No wonder, dragon with no head must be retarded.

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Which country today are most likely to go war and cause WW3? I said it's China and Japan but according to Mahouka universe,it's China and Russia( But the again,Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Palestine are pretty much already at war). Korea is non existence in this show at all. China,Russia and Korea,the three countries that have island dispute with Japan seems be portrayed negatively by the author with China and Russia causing WW3 while Korea is gone from the map. This can not be coincidence.The nationalism by the author is way too much obvious here.

Conflict in middle east cause WW3 make more sense to me. Beside,I feel Russia-China relationship today is good that it's unlikely for them to go to war. Didn't these two countries work together on the Syria case? Or maybe an alliance between China,Russia and Korea going war against Japan and USA alliance and cause WW3 will make more sense and better setting.

ZapredonAug 17, 2014 10:01 PM

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

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[quote=jakkubus]You are completely missing the point.[quote]

No, I get the point, just disagree with your assessment.

jakkubus said:
But, you know, technology is not dependent on genes.

In this world they aren't "dependent" either, complete newbies can rise up with new magic. What does seem to be true is that certain sequences (i.e. spells) are kept in certain families (which is a very old Japanese thing to do) and the reason these spells work for them is something genetic (though not entirely).

Lina is powerful because her grandfather was one of Japan's most powerful magicians (he was the younger, stronger brother of the black eyed patriarch). So it isn't surprising that she is correspondingly powerful. It has far less to do with being Japanese rather than being related to 1 particular Japanese.

If anything this shows that Magic isn't nationalistic, since Lina is 3/4s non-Japanese, if it was all about genetics shouldn't she be correspondingly weaker?

And in that she needs to infiltrate a Japanese school, sending someone with some Japanese connection makes perfect sense.

As for the geopolitical situation, Korea has been absorbed by China, that is why there is no mention of them. The author goes out of his way not to say "Chinese" or "Korean", but East Asian (and geographical, not a racial category). Since in this world there is both a general cooling, it makes sense that both Russia and China would have to be moving south.

The Neo Soviets in addition to trying to take Sado, has also retaken the Ukraine (how is that for a prediction), and China has pretty much retaken all the land that China has claimed was its own (Taiwan, Korea, Northern Vietnam, Laos and Burma).

It was a short line, but when the writer talked about the first invasion of Tsushima where 70% of the civilians died, he didn't go on about how horrible the Koreans were, he actually said "they had their reasons too, it was that type of world"

Because of an environmental world and post peak oil, this world is a zero sum game. The events should be viewed against this backdrop. What would Russia and China do if large parts of their territories were turning much colder and resources were becoming scarce? Particularly in a world where one or two powerful magicians can change the fortunes of a nation?

This is the reason why Tatsuya wants to build his magical power resource, to break that cycle.

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As for the geopolitical situation, Korea has been absorbed by China, that is why there is no mention of them.

Well,that's the problem. Korea gone from this world. Why make Korea disappear from this world? Probably because he hate Korea too.

The author goes out of his way not to say "Chinese" or "Korean", but East Asian (and geographical, not a racial category). Since in this world there is both a general cooling, it makes sense that both Russia and China would have to be moving south.

But why make cooling as reason that trigger WW3? There's no major cooling in our real world.

Here is what you said before.

let me ask and answer honestly, which country today is best known for hacking other countries to steal their technology?

It seems to me you want to talk from today modern realism point of view.

Let me ask and answer honestly,which countries today is likely to start WW3?For me,it's China and Japan. The whole thing about cooling and people from northern China escape to Russia is just to create a WW3 scenario to have China going war with Russia. It doesn't matter whether it's cooling or whatever it is,it obvious the author try to make Russia and China the villains that cause WW3.

The Neo Soviets in addition to trying to take Sado, has also retaken the Ukraine (how is that for a prediction), and China has pretty much retaken all the land that China has claimed was its own (Taiwan, Korea, Northern Vietnam, Laos and Burma).

Are you talking about today's China? I don't remember China claiming Korea,Northern Vietnam,Lao and Burma. Did the author create lie to demonize China?

Because of an environmental world and post peak oil, this world is a zero sum game. The events should be viewed against this backdrop. What would Russia and China do if large parts of their territories were turning much colder and resources were becoming scarce? Particularly in a world where one or two powerful magicians can change the fortunes of a nation?

Does Russia and China only have these problems? If yes why just China and Russia? Another excuse by the author to make China and Russia the villains that cause WW3 while Japan that has island dispute with China,Russia and Korea is totally innocent and their geopolitic is totally unaffected?

Think from author point of view. Don't give me reason why such scenario happen.I'm not interested in it. Think on why the author chooses this kind of scenario for his settings. Why he make Korea gone,why he make China and Russia going to war and cause WW3. Why is it coincidentally,all these 3 countries(China,Russia,Korea) have territorial dispute with modern Japan.

Nationalism is way too obvious here.

ZapredonAug 18, 2014 8:43 AM

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

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Well,that's the problem. Korea gone from this world. Why make Korea disappear from this world? Probably because he hate Korea too.

So in other words if he had left them in that would be a sign of nationalism, if he took them out that is also a sign of nationalism.

No the answer is much easier: merging all of East Asian into one country makes no single country the enemy.

Zapredon said:
But why make cooling as reason that trigger WW3? There's no major cooling in our real world.

Yes, there is no major cooling in our world, so draw the obvious conclusion: THIS IS FICTION.

Zapredon said:
It seems to me you want to talk from today modern realism point of view.

No, I am just saying that his use of magic is pretty analogous to the spread of IT, not that it is the spread of IT.

Let me ask and answer honestly,which countries today is likely to start WW3?For me,it's China and Japan.

No, it is still China and Russia, followed by Pakistan and then India and then the US. Japan, without nuclear weapons, is in no position to START a war. This doesn't mean that they may not be on the receiving end of the start, but defending by no means is the same as starting. Right now Russia in the Ukraine and China's maritime grab are the two events most likely to start a WWIII, but another Pakistani/Indian war, particularly if it is a proxy for a Russian/Chinese conflict (China is backing Pakistan, Russia India) can't be ruled out.

While I put US as fifth, they are the joker in global politics. There is no individual reason for them to start WWIII (territory or resource grabbing), they could start the dominoes falling.

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Are you talking about today's China? I don't remember China claiming Korea,Northern Vietnam,Lao and Burma. Did the author create lie to demonize China?

Lie? Not really, more history. What the author did was to refashion the Mongol Yuan Empire (which did control those territories). This is in keeping with his desire to NOT make this about China. It also allows him to use the Mongol invasions of Japan as analogy. So there is no china, no mongol, no korean, no nationalities, the "enemy" is just a geographical region of East Asia.

The writer does use history as an inspiration for things though, one might have not noticed, but the anti magical movement in the USNA is based in "Boston", this was an allusion to the Salem Witch Craft Trials.

Does Russia and China only have these problems?

Nope, applied to the whole world. It is why the EU split in half, North America merged, Brazil took over most of South America and there is an Indo/Iranian alliance. The only reason the focus is on East Asia is because, well, Japan is in East Asia, so its not as is South America or the EU would go after them.

I guess you haven't noticed but he doesn't go out of his way to praise Japan that much, their government is weak and divided, the clans are insular in thinking, more concerned with their own arguments. His Japanese characters are no smarter than the foreigners, in some ways they are even dumber (outside of course Tatsuya and Fujibayashi) in many ways.

That said, I will agree that he isn't a very mature writer, his character and their motivations are pretty weak, and their geopolitical understandings are a bit lame, but that applies equally across all nationalities. Perhaps people are taking this a little too personally, so they only notice when THEIR nationality is portrayed simplistically, but it has been pretty much across the board.

But as for "nationalism", there really isn't that much outside of his MC is Japanese.

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Okay come on people what did you expect? A Japanese writer writing a story that takes place in Japan about a Japanese character (or characters). What? You thought he wouldn't cater to Japan and not lean favorably towards it in his writing. And what? you thought that there wouldn't be any bias, favoritism and pandering? Get real!!! Not to mention a majority of his readers and buyers are... you guessed it JAPANESE!!!!!!

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All I have to say it that, having you put in words the exact things most LN readers (myself included) want to say regarding this issue is frankly a godsend. i wouldn't know how to phrase them in the exact way and coming from you, they have more of an impact. Of course, people who think otherwise are going to keep thinking what they think whether or not explanations are given so while I feel extremely grateful that you're one of the people trying to iron out misunderstandings, I wonder how much difference it's going to make.

But do keep writing :) I think I've told you before (not in this post though). I love the way you write, and it's not just because you see something to like about Mahouka when lots of people don't. You come off as objective so I tend to believe whatever you write, whether it's criticism or praise. Keep up the good work :)

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So in other words if he had left them in that would be a sign of nationalism, if he took them out that is also a sign of nationalism.

I didn't said if he had left them is a sign of nationalism.

Yes, there is no major cooling in our world, so draw the obvious conclusion: THIS IS FICTION.

Funny because last time I heard people justify China being the enemy because that just how it works because in today REAL LIFE,Japan and China are enemy. Talk about bias double standard.

No, it is still China and Russia, followed by Pakistan and then India and then the US. Japan, without nuclear weapons, is in no position to START a war. This doesn't mean that they may not be on the receiving end of the start, but defending by no means is the same as starting. Right now Russia in the Ukraine and China's maritime grab are the two events most likely to start a WWIII, but another Pakistani/Indian war, particularly if it is a proxy for a Russian/Chinese conflict (China is backing Pakistan, Russia India) can't be ruled out.

While I put US as fifth, they are the joker in global politics. There is no individual reason for them to start WWIII (territory or resource grabbing), they could start the dominoes falling.

No,it's not between China and Russia. China and Russia relationship is good so it's unlikely for them to go WW3 regardless having nuclear or not(and you don't need nuclear to have WW3.WW2 alredy prove that). And do keep in mind I'm not asking whether China or Russia will got to war with other countries that cause WW3. I am asking whether China going war with Russia sound realistic or not. China going war with SEA or China going war with Japan also sound more realistic than China going war with Russia.Even USA going war with the North Korea(another nuclear power country) is more realistic. Instead,the author make the countries today that has territorial dispute with Japan goes against each other. Like I said,it can not be coincidence. If you said China going war with Russia can not be ruled out,then China going war with Japan(doesn't matter have nuclear or not) is even more can not be rule out.

Lie? Not really, more history. What the author did was to refashion the Mongol Yuan Empire (which did control those territories). This is in keeping with his desire to NOT make this about China. It also allows him to use the Mongol invasions of Japan as analogy. So there is no china, no mongol, no korean, no nationalities, the "enemy" is just a geographical region of East Asia.

The writer does use history as an inspiration for things though, one might have not noticed, but the anti magical movement in the USNA is based in "Boston", this was an allusion to the Salem Witch Craft Trials.

Mongol...not Chinese.China never claim Laos,north Vietnam or Korea. You said China previously.You are contradicting with yourself. Do me a favor.Please use a proper wording so it doesn't sound confusing or misleading.

China has pretty much retaken all the land that China has claimed was its own

I guess you haven't noticed but he doesn't go out of his way to praise Japan that much, their government is weak and divided, the clans are insular in thinking, more concerned with their own arguments. His Japanese characters are no smarter than the foreigners, in some ways they are even dumber (outside of course Tatsuya and Fujibayashi) in many ways.

I haven't read the novel yet so I only judge from what I seen so far in anime and the setting. So far I said the setting is way too unrealistic and poorly written.Not to mention the author seems to have grudge on country that has territorial dispute with Japan which are China and Russia.

That said, I will agree that he isn't a very mature writer, his character and their motivations are pretty weak, and their geopolitical understandings are a bit lame, but that applies equally across all nationalities. Perhaps people are taking this a little too personally, so they only notice when THEIR nationality is portrayed simplistically, but it has been pretty much across the board.

Fair enough.

But as for "nationalism", there really isn't that much outside of his MC is Japanese.

From what I can see so far,either he is ignorance of geopolitic standings as you said or he is truly nationalist. Base on what other said so far on how Chinese(GAA) being portrayed as entirely weak, pathetic,I am more leaning towards nationalistic.

There are other anime that portray Chinese as villains such as Sword of Stranger(not really a fan of that anime tbh) but at least,the main characters are not overpower and do not easily beat the villains.Perhaps,that is why Mahouka receive so much hate and accused of nationalism while Sword of Stranger do not.

So for those who have read the light novel and watch Sword of Stranger,can tell me how weak is the Chinese villains compare to the Chinese villains in Sword of Stranger? Perhaps,there will be less hatred towards this show if only the Chinese villains are not pathetic and weak. Portraying China as very weak compare to Japan really is trying to show off Japan superiority towards Chinese. I call that nationalism.

There something else I want to ask. Ichijou earn his nickname Crimson Prince by defeating the Soviet right? Did he and his father Gouki,just two of them successfully defeat the Soviet?Even if the war is small scalel,but if just two person(and one of them is just 13 years old) take down the entire army,it's quite obvious the author is trying to prove Japan superiority over the Russian. Another sign of nationalism here.

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VudisAug 19, 2014 10:18 AM

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

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Like I said,it can not be coincidence.

Why not? I mean really. This is a work of "fiction", the writer has purposefully created a fictional world, so the more things you find "strange" the more you are proving that the writer isn't "nationalistic" because his world is divorced from our reality.

Personally I think he created "global cooling", not to indulge in some bizarre nationalistic urge, but rather because it ABSOLVES countries for their actions. He has stated this several times directly in the novel that the world was such that foreign attacks on Japan were "the way the world was".

Mongol...not Chinese. You said China previously. Do me a favor.Please use a proper wording so it doesn't sound confusing or misleading.

China has pretty much retaken all the land that China has claimed was its own

Let's distinguish between two things here. Mongol would be want the writer seemed to be aiming for; however China has used its Yuan borders to justify its rule of Tibet and Xinjiang (as well as some conflict with India over their border and with Vietnam over their borders). Now China doesn't claim "Korea", however the internal logic is the same.

When I wrote "China" I was thinking of this claim, but that got me thinking of the writer's intent and I realized that all he did was reconstituted the Mongol Empire.

Why do I think this of the writer? Because if the writer was truly nationalistic he would have given Tibet its freedom, or made some point about that. But that would disrupt the fictional setting the writer was trying to create.

Zapredon said:
From what I can see so far,either he is ignorance of geopolitic standings as you said or he is truly nationalist.

Sigh. There is a third option you know. This is a work of fiction so of course it doesn't reflect current geopolitical situations....

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You come off as objective so I tend to believe whatever you write, whether it's criticism or praise. Keep up the good work :)

Thank you :-)

While true objectivity may not exist, I always try to keep my biases in mind when I write, and my goal is to be as objective as I can, so I really appreciate having you say that.

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