GreenSoap said: I'm in the minority of thinking the '99 version is better than the remake. They added necessary fillers which added to the plot an further developed characters. You just feel closer to all the characters in the Hunter Exam than you did in the remake. The Yorknew arc was near perfect in the '99 ver. The awesome soundtrack and art style gives the show more of an atmosphere. I just think the remake is a little too bright.. Also.. I've heard people saying that Naruto has ripped off HxH in some ways. The only thing I've found similar was this priest guy in Shippuden who had a power sorta like Neteros' I'm not going to turn this into a nartuo hating thread... But seriously that is the only similarity you found? One that no one even mentions. Let me list you the similarities 1. Hunter Exam and Chunin Exam- Well both have the same concept but that's not it. Both of them had similar first exams. Ones that relied on backwards thinking. Now the Forest of Death was exactly the same as the tags exam in HXH. Both involved hunting down fellow members to get their tag/scroll to pass into the next exam. Both exams ended in a tournament. Did you really not catch this at all? 2. Sauske=Kurapika/Killua. Both Sauske and Kurapika are from a clan which had special red eyes that been activated increases their strength immensely. Both had their clans murdered and went on a path of revenge. Once again how could you not catch this? 3. Phantom Troupe/Akatsuki have very heavy similarities. The beginning of Naruto was a clone of Hunter X Hunter. |
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I really didn't want to get in this vs discussion but what do you mean Sasuke's power were explained better? Pretty sure Kurapika's were explained well as well. What does "true" intentions even mean? PT are thieves and murderers so their motives are to steal and kill, they are simple but they are also "true". |
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| I'll agree there was more elaboration on the sharigan than the scarlet eyes, I won't deny that, however all I was saying it that Naruto took a whole lot of concepts from Naruto. |
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BlueXRam said: I'll agree there was more elaboration on the sharigan than the scarlet eyes, I won't deny that, however all I was saying it that Naruto took a whole lot of concepts from Naruto. Naruto does tendto take a lot of concepts from Naruto yes indeed. Kurapikas power was explained well but you're delusional if you think his was explained more or had better character development than sasuke. That guy was barely even in the last 80 episodes Mod Edit: Removed racial slur. |
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| Oh that's what he meant? But Kurta red eyes don't have any special powers, so what's there to compare? That's why I misunderstood..... Yea pretty sure Sasuke had more development than Kurapika and obviously more screentime and focus. Not that I liked his development or think that it was good writing but that's only my opinion and is irrelevant. |
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BlueXRam said: however all I was saying it that Naruto took a whole lot of concepts from Naruto. Not really. Inspiration if you can even call it that, wasn't that substantial or significant. Common tropes more than anything. |
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| Whoa.. The thread has become Naruto & HxH discussion.. -_- Anyway.. @boredxxx See what you did here. Bringing up one of the big 3 in this board would result in this lol. JK, but that aside don't expect people to just disagree with you and then move on. Others just won't let it slide. You let your thoughts out, so they will. Discussion ensues. However, it seems you've been prepared before you even create this topic right? |
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tsudecimo said: BlueXRam said: however all I was saying it that Naruto took a whole lot of concepts from Naruto. Not really. Inspiration if you can even call it that, wasn't that substantial or significant. Common tropes more than anything. Lmao that's not inspiration having the chunin exam be an exact replica of the hunter exam. Having a clan with eye's that turn red in stress granting them power. Having the same clans being slayed with only one remaining member that goes out for revenge. You can not call that common troupes. |
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BlueXRam said: tsudecimo said: Not really. Inspiration if you can even call it that, wasn't that substantial or significant. Common tropes more than anything. Lmao that's not inspiration having the chunin exam be an exact replica of the hunter exam. Having a clan with eye's that turn red in stress granting them power. Having the same clans being slayed with only one remaining member that goes out for revenge. You can not call that common troupes. Chunnin exam is a replica? what? The only similarity they share is the forest of death portion and them being exams. The other phases are not even remotely similar. The last tournament part was traditional in the Chunnin exam, while the tournament in the Hunter exams, had a little twist to it, and had a different format. The Hunter licence was decided by winning one of your matches, while the Chunnin was decided by overall performance (or something like that, it's been a while) and not actual wins. You can't even describe them right. Stress has nothing do with the Sharingan, the emotional state to activate the Scarlet red eyes, while the user of the Sharingan can activate it or deactivate it at will, after the initial awakening. They basically only have being red and clan heritage, Sharingan is obviously more explored and complex. Avenger of a clan is a common trope, the situation of both these thing being together is probably an inspiration, but it doesn't mean much, when they are significantly different in execution of the two avenger stories, the reasons for the massacre are also significantly different, one being complex, while the other is simple and straight forward, different personalities, different developments, different conclusions to the revenge story, etc. |
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boredxxx said: soundscape said: Oh that's what he meant? But Kurta red eyes don't have any special powers, so what's there to compare? That's why I misunderstood..... Yea pretty sure Sasuke had more development than Kurapika and obviously more screentime and focus. Not that I liked his development or think that it was good writing but that's only my opinion and is irrelevant. No the eyes grant the power of ultimate nen manipulation where he can control all aspects perfectly i think. But its kinda badly explained and not gone in depth of why. I think it would have been beneficial to show them training like in naruto. Hmm? Pretty sure it was well explained... Sometimes during a life of an individual if he is a conjurer or manipulator he can change category and become a specialist. The events that happened and the emotion can make taht cahnge. Kurapica becomes specialist when his eyes turn red and when he is a speicialist he can control every catergory to its fullest potential. It seems to me to be well explained, so waht are you exactly talking about? |
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tsudecimo said: BlueXRam said: Lmao that's not inspiration having the chunin exam be an exact replica of the hunter exam. Having a clan with eye's that turn red in stress granting them power. Having the same clans being slayed with only one remaining member that goes out for revenge. You can not call that common troupes. Chunnin exam is a replica? what? The only similarity they share is the forest of death portion and them being exams. The other phases are not even remotely similar. The last tournament part was traditional in the Chunnin exam, while the tournament in the Hunter exams, had a little twist to it, and had a different format. The Hunter licence was decided by winning one of your matches, while the Chunnin was decided by overall performance (or something like that, it's been a while) and not actual wins. You can't even describe them right. Stress has nothing do with the Sharingan, the emotional state to activate the Scarlet red eyes, while the user of the Sharingan can activate it or deactivate it at will, after the initial awakening. They basically only have being red and clan heritage, Sharingan is obviously more explored and complex. Avenger of a clan is a common trope, the situation of both these thing being together is probably an inspiration, but it doesn't mean much, when they are significantly different in execution of the two avenger stories, the reasons for the massacre are also significantly different, one being complex, while the other is simple and straight forward, different personalities, different developments, different conclusions to the revenge story, etc. I didn't mean to put stress I meant times of importance. Once again there were not even that all three exams in the chunin exams were done in one way shape or form in the Hunter exam. Just because it had a twist at the end does not mean it's different. Once again do you think the concept of Sauske being part of a clan that was murdered and that clan's ability being the red eyes that increases their power would have still been present without HXH? No. Also you are acting like just because Kishimoto adds some twists or elaboration means he didn't copy the fundamentals, in which in fact he did. |
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| I really disagree about Naruto riping off HxH, it's a different thing inspiration and rip off. Similarities at best but Kishi handled it in his own way and it was quite good. |
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boredxxx said: So what if he did. Are we meant to blatantly condemn and hate the Chunin exam? Yeah theyre simmilar on some base aspects but they have their own twists. Chunin had more twists im pretty sure with the whole invasion, orochimaru etc and i enjoyed it a lot more. No you're not, but we're not supposed to blatantly ignore it either? What twists exactly? Base aspects? They were almost identical. And if anything, Kishimoto simplified it, not added any twists. Hunter exam, hunt or be hunted: capture the opponets item and keep your own to pass, 3 points each, alternatively capture any other item for a single point. Chunin exam: Just capture whatever item. How was that a twist? The final exam was a typical tournament, how is that an added twist to an already atypical reverse-tournament? I mean if you draw a graph showing who got whose item, in Naruto it would look like straight lines, in Hx H it would appear to be a web. It is nice when authors pay homage and make inspirations, but to take an idea and make it less complex, or fail to add your own twist, is what makes me believe he copied him. Plus, the idea is definitely not as simple as the chunin exam, even interactions within the exam, and the characters, were very similar. Mod Edit: Modified quote tower; please spoiler or remove old quotes. |
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BlueXRam said: I didn't mean to put stress I meant times of importance. Once again there were not even that all three exams in the chunin exams were done in one way shape or form in the Hunter exam. Just because it had a twist at the end does not mean it's different. Once again do you think the concept of Sauske being part of a clan that was murdered and that clan's ability being the red eyes that increases their power would have still been present without HXH? No. Also you are acting like just because Kishimoto adds some twists or elaboration means he didn't copy the fundamentals, in which in fact he did. I have no idea what you mean by times of importance, Sasuke or any Uchiha can activate his eyes willingly. What did you just say? I'm having a hard time trying to comprehend what you just said. From what I remember there three stages of the Chunnin exams (a paper exam, Forest of death, Tournament) The only similarity is the forest of death, and even then, it differ quite a lot from the tag game in that Island. Are you seriously saying that the traditional (key word here traditional) tournamnet of the Chunnin exam were inspired by HxH's? having a tournament is very common trope, and nothing original or new, for someone to get inspired on. Yeah it will probably be. That concept is not that complicated or groundbreaking. It's a common trope. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LastOfHisKind http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuperpowerfulGenetics You just said it yourself, fundamentals. Those are some fundamentals of a Shounen action/adventure story (Avenger, tournament, qualifying exam, etc) |
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tsudecimo said: BlueXRam said: I didn't mean to put stress I meant times of importance. Once again there were not even that all three exams in the chunin exams were done in one way shape or form in the Hunter exam. Just because it had a twist at the end does not mean it's different. Once again do you think the concept of Sauske being part of a clan that was murdered and that clan's ability being the red eyes that increases their power would have still been present without HXH? No. Also you are acting like just because Kishimoto adds some twists or elaboration means he didn't copy the fundamentals, in which in fact he did. I have no idea what you mean by times of importance, Sasuke or any Uchiha can activate his eyes willingly. What did you just say? I'm having a hard time trying to comprehend what you just said. From what I remember there three stages of the Chunnin exams (a paper exam, Forest of death, Tournament) The only similarity is the forest of death, and even then, it differ quite a lot from the tag game in that Island. Are you seriously saying that the traditional (key word here traditional) tournamnet of the Chunnin exam were inspired by HxH's? having a tournament is very common trope, and nothing original or new, for someone to get inspired on. Yeah it will probably be. That concept is not that complicated or groundbreaking. It's a common trope. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LastOfHisKind http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuperpowerfulGenetics You just said it yourself, fundamentals. Those are some fundamentals of a Shounen action/adventure story (Avenger, tournament, qualifying exam, etc) As in it would awaken in urgent times. Such as how Obitio unlocked his sharigan when he and Kakashi were in danger. Of course tournaments are common but please find me any other anime that had an exam that started with an intelligent round, then a survival round (forest of death, the tags), and ended in a tournament. No other anime has done this so saying it's a common troupe is ridiculous. Your love of naruto is clouding your judgement. Anyways it's clear neither of our opinions will change. There is no way in hell you can convince me Kishimoto did base the beginning of Naruto from HXH. So lets stop the discussion yeah? |
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BlueXRam said: tsudecimo said: I have no idea what you mean by times of importance, Sasuke or any Uchiha can activate his eyes willingly. What did you just say? I'm having a hard time trying to comprehend what you just said. From what I remember there three stages of the Chunnin exams (a paper exam, Forest of death, Tournament) The only similarity is the forest of death, and even then, it differ quite a lot from the tag game in that Island. Are you seriously saying that the traditional (key word here traditional) tournamnet of the Chunnin exam were inspired by HxH's? having a tournament is very common trope, and nothing original or new, for someone to get inspired on. Yeah it will probably be. That concept is not that complicated or groundbreaking. It's a common trope. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LastOfHisKind http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuperpowerfulGenetics You just said it yourself, fundamentals. Those are some fundamentals of a Shounen action/adventure story (Avenger, tournament, qualifying exam, etc) As in it would awaken in urgent times. Such as how Obitio unlocked his sharigan when he and Kakashi were in danger. Of course tournaments are common but please find me any other anime that had an exam that started with an intelligent round, then a survival round (forest of death, the tags), that had a creepy villain test out their strengths and later revealed to be an ex-member of the criminal org. and ended in a tournament in which there was a brotherly dispute where one superior family member intimidated his younger inferior relative. No other anime has done this so saying it's a common troupe is ridiculous. Anyways it's clear neither of our opinions will change so lets stop the discussion yeah? Fixed. |
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BlueXRam said: tsudecimo said: I have no idea what you mean by times of importance, Sasuke or any Uchiha can activate his eyes willingly. What did you just say? I'm having a hard time trying to comprehend what you just said. From what I remember there three stages of the Chunnin exams (a paper exam, Forest of death, Tournament) The only similarity is the forest of death, and even then, it differ quite a lot from the tag game in that Island. Are you seriously saying that the traditional (key word here traditional) tournamnet of the Chunnin exam were inspired by HxH's? having a tournament is very common trope, and nothing original or new, for someone to get inspired on. Yeah it will probably be. That concept is not that complicated or groundbreaking. It's a common trope. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LastOfHisKind http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuperpowerfulGenetics You just said it yourself, fundamentals. Those are some fundamentals of a Shounen action/adventure story (Avenger, tournament, qualifying exam, etc) As in it would awaken in urgent times. Such as how Obitio unlocked his sharigan when he and Kakashi were in danger. Of course tournaments are common but please find me any other anime that had an exam that started with an intelligent round, then a survival round (forest of death, the tags), and ended in a tournament. No other anime has done this so saying it's a common troupe is ridiculous. Your love of naruto is clouding your judgement. Anyways it's clear neither of our opinions will change. There is no way in hell you can convince me Kishimoto did base the beginning of Naruto from HXH. So lets stop the discussion yeah? Oh that's what you meant. As far as I know there was no mention of the need of awakening to the Kurata eyes before using them like the Uchihas, they seem to activate unwillingly if the user is in serious emotional stress or anger like Kurapika facing that prisoner. With a little research I can probably find that. What was the intelligent phase of the Hunter exams? the exam in general required intelligence, but nothing specific like the paper thing in Naruto. Don't twist my words, I said tournaments are a common trope and an qualifying exam is a common trope, having a tournament part of an exam that is relevant to strength, is not surprising or new, if the point of it is to test both the mind and body of the participants. Not really. I watched the Hunter exams a lot before I knew what Naruto was, and there are not really that many similarities aside from the forest of death. Didn't really want to convince you in the first place, because I don't care, I was just stating my opinion on these concepts that Naruto apparently took from HxH. |
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MrLief said: Jesus Christ, Kishimoto didn't ripoff Togashi. Togashi was his fucking mentor and gave him tips on the first couple arcs of Naruto. Go and ask any writer, blogger, dancer or whatever for advice, they'll tell you that it's okay to begin by copying the style, moves, themes of what you're inspired by, you'll then develop your own style with time. Not saying it's a bad thing to copy, but Kishi did copy the story, luckily for HxH, Togashi had already copied DBZ with YYH, so he was already well acquainted with how to write by the time he started hunter x hunter. As annoying as it may sound to you for people to say that (which is not intended as shaming really), it's just as annoying for us Togashi fans that he doesn't get acknowledged for his big influence on the industry. |
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Mikasa said: Fix-fixed.BlueXRam said: As in it would awaken in urgent times. Such as how Obitio unlocked his sharigan when he and Kakashi were in danger. Of course tournaments are common but please find me any other anime that had an exam that started with an intelligent round, then a survival round (forest of death, the tags), that had a creepy villain test out their strengths and later revealed to be an ex-member of the criminal org. and ended in a tournament in which there was a brotherly dispute where one superior family member intimidated his younger inferior relative. No other anime has done this so saying it's a common troupe is ridiculous. Anyways it's clear neither of our opinions will change so lets stop the discussion yeah? Fixed. Haven't seen you here since around the time I joined! |
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BlueXRam said: Every time I see people insult HXH it's always about there not being enough action or fights. HXH 2011 really isn't your average shounen. Sometimes it dives further than just fights, like the election arc. It's not about crazy shit every second like Naruto, which is why I love the show. Not really,either you do'nt stick around forums or that's just what you've led yourself to believe |
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boredxxx said: PoeticJustice said: Easily better than the majority of shounen out there. The only shounen that give it a run for its money are: Rurouni Kenshin, Jojo, Yu Hakusho, and FMA 03. That is about it. All other shounen can go to hell. And thats ur opinion man. If it was universal the manga sales would prove me wrong. Fuck sales. Transformers makes billions of dollars, does that make it hte best movie? No. And no shit it is my opinion. Just like it is my opinion that hxh takes a shit on most other shounen. |
PoeticJustice said: boredxxx said: And thats ur opinion man. If it was universal the manga sales would prove me wrong. Fuck sales. Transformers makes billions of dollars, does that make it hte best movie? No. And no shit it is my opinion. Just like it is my opinion that hxh takes a shit on most other shounen. But the big 3 and many other shonen anime sell much more than hxh, which is a fact! and not a baseless opinion by a random person. :P |
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keragamming said: PoeticJustice said: Fuck sales. Transformers makes billions of dollars, does that make it hte best movie? No. And no shit it is my opinion. Just like it is my opinion that hxh takes a shit on most other shounen. But the big 3 and many other shonen anime sell much more than hxh, which is a fact! and not a baseless opinion. :P People don't know what is good. Most people are mindless drones who will buy anything that is sold to them. |
boredxxx said: PoeticJustice said: Fuck sales. Transformers makes billions of dollars, does that make it hte best movie? No. And no shit it is my opinion. Just like it is my opinion that hxh takes a shit on most other shounen. Im sorry but people buy things because they like them and because theyre good. If the shonens were so bad they wouldnt sell and hunter x hunter, the best manga ever would be top of the charts every time. Transformers is another example. If it sucked so bad noone would watch it. Dont bring hate on series man i didnt start the thread by saying fuck gon fuck hunter blah blah blah. I dont want a mod to shut down this page because it promotes hate. That is true to a degree but PoeticJustice's point is also true to a degree. Just because people like something doesn't mean that it's not a piece of shit. Take Michael Bay's Transformers series, for example. It got a lot of sales because it was hyped up but tons of reviews say that the movies are terrible. Sales happen because of good advertising + word of mouth. Obviously the more mainstream anime (Naruto) will get more sales. Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's actually good (which I'm not saying it is or isn't since I haven't actually watched it). But I will agree that if a lot of people are buying it then there must be something good about it. But for the record, Hunter x Hunter was in the Top 10 top-selling manga for 2013. That's while Togashi was on hiatus, mind you. |
jreginald said: boredxxx said: Im sorry but people buy things because they like them and because theyre good. If the shonens were so bad they wouldnt sell and hunter x hunter, the best manga ever would be top of the charts every time. Transformers is another example. If it sucked so bad noone would watch it. Dont bring hate on series man i didnt start the thread by saying fuck gon fuck hunter blah blah blah. I dont want a mod to shut down this page because it promotes hate. That is true to a degree but PoeticJustice's point is also true to a degree. Just because people like something doesn't mean that it's not a piece of shit. Take Michael Bay's Transformers series, for example. It got a lot of sales because it was hyped up but tons of reviews say that the movies are terrible. Sales happen because of good advertising + word of mouth. Obviously the more mainstream anime (Naruto) will get more sales. Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's actually good (which I'm not saying it is or isn't since I haven't actually watched it). But I will agree that if a lot of people are buying it then there must be something good about it. But for the record, Hunter x Hunter was in the Top 10 top-selling manga for 2013. That's while Togashi was on hiatus, mind you. It isn't as simple as that though. Comparing manga to movies is problematic because in most cases people go to see movies with only a slight idea from a preview, while manga buyers usually have experience with the series. When critics rag on movies, many people still choose to go and see for themselves because they don't see spending 2 hours and a few bucks as too much of a hassle, while many would be far more prudent when buying manga. In that sense, book sales are a better measure than movie sales. |
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RedRoseFring said: It isn't as simple as that though. Comparing manga to movies is problematic because in most cases people go to see movies with only a slight idea from a preview, while manga buyers usually have experience with the series. When critics rag on movies, many people still choose to go and see for themselves because they don't see spending 2 hours and a few bucks as too much of a hassle, while many would be far more prudent when buying manga. In that sense, book sales are a better measure than movie sales. Mmm, you've got a good point. I've actually considered that too and I agree. But point is, sales don't exactly mean that a series is good. |
jreginald said: RedRoseFring said: It isn't as simple as that though. Comparing manga to movies is problematic because in most cases people go to see movies with only a slight idea from a preview, while manga buyers usually have experience with the series. When critics rag on movies, many people still choose to go and see for themselves because they don't see spending 2 hours and a few bucks as too much of a hassle, while many would be far more prudent when buying manga. In that sense, book sales are a better measure than movie sales. Mmm, you've got a good point. I've actually considered that too and I agree. But point is, sales don't exactly mean that a series is good. I agree and disagree with you, Since in the end it will just end up as a individual opinion. Sales is the best way to know if a series is good or not. Asking random people what anime is good, will get you know where because you will get different recommendation, but the indication of a series popularity or sales wise can help you on that. And the possibilities of you liking that would be high as well. Just my two cents on things. |
keragamming said: jreginald said: Mmm, you've got a good point. I've actually considered that too and I agree. But point is, sales don't exactly mean that a series is good. I agree and disagree with you, Since in the end it will just end up as a individual opinion. Sales is the best way to know if a series is good or not. Asking random people what anime is good, will get you know where because you will get different recommendation, but the indication of a series popularity or sales wise can help you on that. And the possibilities of you liking that would be high as well. Just my two cents on things. Exactly the first part. Whether a series is good or not will ultimately depend on your personal opinion, but good sales can indicate to you what would most likely be good for you. |
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jreginald said: boredxxx said: Im sorry but people buy things because they like them and because theyre good. If the shonens were so bad they wouldnt sell and hunter x hunter, the best manga ever would be top of the charts every time. Transformers is another example. If it sucked so bad noone would watch it. Dont bring hate on series man i didnt start the thread by saying fuck gon fuck hunter blah blah blah. I dont want a mod to shut down this page because it promotes hate. That is true to a degree but PoeticJustice's point is also true to a degree. Just because people like something doesn't mean that it's not a piece of shit. Take Michael Bay's Transformers series, for example. It got a lot of sales because it was hyped up but tons of reviews say that the movies are terrible. Sales happen because of good advertising + word of mouth. Obviously the more mainstream anime (Naruto) will get more sales. Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's actually good (which I'm not saying it is or isn't since I haven't actually watched it). But I will agree that if a lot of people are buying it then there must be something good about it. But for the record, Hunter x Hunter was in the Top 10 top-selling manga for 2013. That's while Togashi was on hiatus, mind you. PoeticJustice said: People don't know what is good. Most people are mindless drones who will buy anything that is sold to them. So what you guys are saying is that people buy things cuz it was given to them not cuz they like it  |
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jreginald said: RedRoseFring said: It isn't as simple as that though. Comparing manga to movies is problematic because in most cases people go to see movies with only a slight idea from a preview, while manga buyers usually have experience with the series. When critics rag on movies, many people still choose to go and see for themselves because they don't see spending 2 hours and a few bucks as too much of a hassle, while many would be far more prudent when buying manga. In that sense, book sales are a better measure than movie sales. Mmm, you've got a good point. I've actually considered that too and I agree. But point is, sales don't exactly mean that a series is good. But the very best sellers are always very simple and lacking in detail, that much is an accurate indication. So these shows sold a lot because they managed to please the crowds, and keep them attached. There are many ways to do that besides keeping up the quality (which is a rare case actually). So, the solution is to simply dissect the shows, their content, and to me that showed why HxH is on a differet league, than shows which have much less to offer. To me, relying on sales just shows lack of confidence in one's own opinion that he has to rely on external assurances to feel he's... In the right I guess? |
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| I like hunter x hunter better.It's more refreshing imo and I enjoy all the arcs unlike the big 3 and fairy tail. boredxxx said: PoeticJustice said: Fuck sales. Transformers makes billions of dollars, does that make it hte best movie? No. And no shit it is my opinion. Just like it is my opinion that hxh takes a shit on most other shounen. Im sorry but people buy things because they like them and because theyre good. If the shonens were so bad they wouldnt sell and hunter x hunter, the best manga ever would be top of the charts every time. Transformers is another example. If it sucked so bad noone would watch it. Dont bring hate on series man i didnt start the thread by saying fuck gon fuck hunter blah blah blah. I dont want a mod to shut down this page because it promotes hate. Why do you need to tell him that it is his opinion? Isn't it obvious? post #3 blatantly states that one piece and naruto are better than hxh without emphasizing that it is an opinion yet you had no problem with that. Is it because you agreed with it ? The double standard, smh. |
keragamming said: PoeticJustice said: Fuck sales. Transformers makes billions of dollars, does that make it hte best movie? No. And no shit it is my opinion. Just like it is my opinion that hxh takes a shit on most other shounen. But the big 3 and many other shonen anime sell much more than hxh, which is a fact! and not a baseless opinion by a random person. :P No, out of the currently airing shonen ( and manga in general ) only one piece and snk have better sales per volume than it. It sells approximately the same as naruto (1.2 m per volume) and sells much more than bleach, fairy tale and other shonen. Just look at the annual rankings per volume of 2013, 2012 etc. So please stop making up stuff :-) |
| He is probably referring to the overall volume sales of the series (HxH has 65 million volume sold), not it's sales per volume http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga |
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tsudecimo said: He is probably referring to the overall volume sales of the series (HxH has 65 million volume sold), not it's sales per volume http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_manga Ah thanks. But I don't think it's very accurate to use that since a manga like Golgo 13 (produced since 1969) will seem to be much more succesful than snk (produced only since 2009) for example. |
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