Cogito Ergo Sum - Philosophy In Anime and Manga

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Club Relations ( 1 2 ) Corrupt_Id	26 replies	by sixinchmoth »» 10-19-09, 4:05 AM
Elfen Lied: Philosophical or Not? ( 1 2 ) Corrupt_Id	23 replies	by Lucifel »» 10-17-09, 4:39 PM
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann Waza	6 replies	by Meerkat »» 10-09-09, 12:49 PM
Philosophical Video Games? ( 1 2 ) gatotsu911	21 replies	by gatotsu911 »» 10-07-09, 11:49 PM
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qtipbrit | 5 minutes ago

The will to power encompasses the will to live, so apparently I'd become a master wizard capable of summoning soup bowls and loose women if it meant I'd collapse under my power and genius before the ripe age of 25.
Which I would.

One could equate one's purpose of living with one's pursuits- of power, of knowledge, of longevity, of happiness, of Moby-Dick, of Dolores Haze, du temps perdu, or even of a pursuit, for you existentialists out there.
Oui, nous sommes tous les pauvres êtres en soi perdu et confondre; nous ne pouvons rien faire sauf accepter le tendre indifférence du monde.

And I pity the pinguin who worships the pingvin. Though he is quite awesmoe. >w<

RobdeFR | Yesterday, 5:45 PM

Kaiser-san, your purposes seems to be hard to get except to attain knowledge, in these days it's quite an easy thing to accomplish , that is, if you have the time to spend on the issue.

Kaiserpingvin | Yesterday, 2:48 PM

My purposes are to not be bored, to attain knowledge, to be free, and to alleviate the sufferings of other humans. I'm doing badly on all of them :c

And yes, I think I do, somewhere. It's dead, of course, because no one loves me anymore. http://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=4176

And don't worry, being a kaiser isn't all that different from being a normal penguin, it's just harder to spell my name. So no need to praise me, it makes me embarrassed :v

Pinguinus | Yesterday, 1:16 PM

Also Kaiserpingvin do you happen to have a fanclub? ^_^

You seem to be the type of person i would have become (wishfull thinking i suppose) had it not been for certain circumstances.

Pinguinus | Yesterday, 1:13 PM

An interesting question is "How high up on the human priority list is 'life' and for what purpose?".

Many people consider life as a top priority mainly becouse of instinct rather than a logical reason. Living for the sole purpose of living is pretty odd imho.

My personal impression is that life should be no more than a means to an end, a tool to be used in order to achieve a purpose. Humanity seems to value life more than purpose and may abandon the paths they take in life in order to do nothing but survive.

Considering that humanity is mainly a purpose driven species this may seem quite odd. The subject itself is pretty interesting even without the afterlife part. Another thing to note is that , for the majority, it all revolves around a vague desirable ideea/concept/state of happiness.

The paradox is that allthough the ultimate goal of most human beings is to achieve happiness, most would settle for surviving.

Kaiserpingvin | Yesterday, 11:34 AM

"someone else in this club"
<- that would be me?

The question is weird. Rather ask, what does it mean to ask the question "What does it mmean to die?"?

For in all honesty, it is a very peculiar question which is very vague, fleeting and imprecise. It is hard to tell what one wants to know. I already gave an approximation to the biological definition, which should be the pertinent one - "death" is a biological term after all. But on the other hand, this is a philosophy club, so perhaps "meaning" is the more interesting term, in which the question becomes more... bizarre. The teleology? The semantic? The hermeneutic? You are aware of this of course. Very well. But how to discuss it? And, you alluded to afterlife, which is relevant to some degree, but I wouldn't say that afterlife is the meaning of death even if there was one; afterlife would be a more metaphysical question than whatever the original one was.

Anyone can ask philosophical questions, many professional philosophers are bad at them, many non-philosophers are good at them. The problem isn't who is asking, it's what is being asked, which isn't elitist as much as it is, in itself, philosophical. It isn't bad because it is generic, it is bad because it is so vague as to foster not really a debate as much as it would people misunderstanding eachother.

Which on the other hand is what a lot of philosophy has been forever, I suppose... like now.

As for the importance, shouldn't importance be by order of implications of an answer rather than how many asks the question? Many asks what they should have for dinner today. But I do not think it would be all that important an æsthetical question. ...Or wait. It would.

Gentlemen, we found an æsthetic question which actually would have importance to us in our lives. This is a breakthrough.

gatotsu911 | Yesterday, 10:16 AM

Well, yes, in all honesty, I brought it up in the first place (jokingly) precisely because it is a "generic" philosophical topic. But just because it's commonplace, or is something non-philosophers think about, doesn't mean it's "trite". (Not your word, but someone else in this club.) It's commonplace BECAUSE it's such a universal issue. That, if anything, means it's MORE important. I'm just wary about this club slipping into the realm of "Only talking about stuff that REAL philosophers talk about". I came here to think and to have interesting discussions, not to have compare sizes of metaphorical philosophy-related dicks. I'm strongly against the notion that philosophy should be an elitist field; it defeats the purpose and value of the topic, in my opinion, as the issues at hand should by their very nature be relevant in some way to everybody. (And, as a general rule, if you can't express it in layman's terms, chances are you don't understand it very well yourself.)

Anyway, my original intent was not so much to spark a discussion about death or about what should be considered a "relevant" philosophical topic as to simply revive this club, and at that it appears I've succeeded.

And some people need to just shut up and make zombie movies. I mean, seriously now.

naikou | Yesterday, 9:26 AM

Yes, well. You have to admit that "what does it mean to die?" is the subject of like 50% of literature out there (exaggeration, yes, I know. the point still stands that it's discussed a lot). And I personally feel that the most likely answer is extremely simple, so meh.

Even this whole "are people in a coma really dead?" (or even worse "at what point do embryo's become alive?") only arises because "life" is a poorly defined and artificial construct in the first place. Call them alive, call them dead, whatever. It's not a universal in the first place. You can define it however you want.

And yes, Romero. He will make us his bitches. Probably.