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Jul 26, 2024 9:04 AM

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Episode 64

And now, the tengu tribe led by Momiji has arrived as they are none too pleased about the planned tunnel through the mountains, and they look much different than what Rimuru imagined. They are supposed to be flying wolves wearing red Pinocchio masks, but these are just wolf people with some of them having wings. This episode focuses mostly on Benimaru as he makes friends with Kaede and Momiji, and he's tasked with resolving a problem facing the tengus as thanks to the war against Clayman, a supernation has formed, so they came to Rimuru knowing that they wouldn't stand a chance had they been engaged in a war with that merged nation. Benimaru had the opportunity for a harem there, but he already chose his one true love in Momiji, which would make him Hakuro's son-in-law as Momiji is his daughter as it turns out. And with that, the tengus are now in an alliance with Tempest on the final day.
Jul 26, 2024 10:09 AM
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I keep forgetting to mention this, but does the intro of the OP song remind anyone else of the Inspector Gadget theme?
Jul 26, 2024 10:18 AM

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So, either she was pregnant for 300 years, or time flows more slowly inside their village.
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She was pregnant for a damn long time, they even said it in the episode, that she "nurtured" Momiji in her body and then gave her a name after she was born. That's why she's so sick and low on magicules.
Jul 26, 2024 3:03 PM

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That was a decent episode for one where they just stood around talking most of the time. Things still managed to actually happen.
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Jul 26, 2024 3:30 PM

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Being pregnant for 300 years would suuuuck.
Jul 28, 2024 7:26 PM
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Ahh forgot I was watching this, well at least the meetings are outside now. Why doesn't Kaede just come to their town where magicules are everywhere she could suck them up and be cured in no time.
Jul 28, 2024 7:30 PM
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So, either she was pregnant for 300 years, or time flows more slowly inside their village.
@HOOfan_1

Maybe it was just delayed implantation (lots of mammals do that), until she built up enough magic to give her.
Jul 28, 2024 8:52 PM

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Ahh forgot I was watching this, well at least the meetings are outside now. Why doesn't Kaede just come to their town where magicules are everywhere she could suck them up and be cured in no time.
@MenchiK1 Yeah especially since the daughter doesn't exactly seem ready to be taking over anytime soon.
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Aug 2, 2024 9:00 AM

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Episode 65

With the opening ceremony in the rear-view mirror, it's time for the festivities to begin in three days. In the meantime, there's the matter of the Lightspeed Hero, Masayuki, who was also isekaied from Japan. Masayuki was blessed with incredible luck as he defeated Jinrai without really doing anything as by sheer luck, he headbutted him and with all attacks being critical, knocked him out. Since he became a hero so quickly that he was dubbed the Lightspeed Hero. Then came the incident in Ballachia in which Masayuki stumbled upon an illegal slave operation led by Duke Gosel and those guys tried to frame the Lightspeed Hero, but thanks to Masayuki's allies the slave operation was brought to an end. The formerly enslaved elves want to return to Jura, but there's just one problem in that the territory is under Rimuru's control. He will soon find out that he's a benevolent demon lord, but given all the gossip that Rimuru's followers are understandably on edge about Masayuki, so Rimuru decides to handle this himself. It will be interesting to see how their conversation goes seeing that after all freeing slaves is no small feat.
Aug 2, 2024 12:01 PM

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Did it really make us sit through a Powerpoint presentation?

Also, yay, more characters...
Aug 2, 2024 1:56 PM
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The adventures of the lightspeed hero in the Kingdom of Ball-ache-ia.
Aug 2, 2024 4:03 PM

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Yikes, what horrible powers to give to someone. I couldn't help but think of all the isekai 'heroes' we've seen totally abusing their powers lately.

Aaaaaaand Rimuru still hasn't put one plus one together to figure out who it was who set him up. Did the author think just throwing more and more characters into the story would make it seem like it should be difficult for him to figure it out?

The title of next week's show has me worried it's going to be a recap episode.
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Aug 2, 2024 4:16 PM

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Yikes, what horrible powers to give to someone. I couldn't help but think of all the isekai 'heroes' we've seen totally abusing their powers lately.

Aaaaaaand Rimuru still hasn't put one plus one together to figure out who it was who set him up. Did the author think just throwing more and more characters into the story would make it seem like it should be difficult for him to figure it out?

The title of next week's show has me worried it's going to be a recap episode.
@zkeleton It was previously announced that there's no new episode next week due to the Olympics (again, because the event is in Paris that late-night in Japan is primetime in Paris). That is the title of the recap episode that will be airing next week on one of the sister stations, and the next episode airs the week after that.
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And who designed the seating layout for the colosseum? There's tons of seats where more than half of the field isn't even visible.
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Aug 5, 2024 6:56 AM
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Was that power designed to make fun of isekai opp powers? Since this guy is basically the anti-Rimuru.
Aug 16, 2024 8:58 AM

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Episode 66

The festival is just days away, but in the meantime Rimuru welcomes in some more visitors into Tempest City. Among them are Youm, who has transformed Falmuth into Falmenace and they don't need to ask for debt forgiveness since Youm is ruling. Rimuru has been quite busy, but he got some free time and uses it to make a trip to Engrassia. After having a chat with Yuuki, he sees his students, who are being cared for by Tiss, and then teleports them to Tempest so that they can take part in the festival. And afterwards Rimuru comes face-to-face with Masayuki to see for himself that Masayuki's incredible luck is the only thing he has going for him, and he agrees to fight in the tournament. More festival prep going on here, but that's still a couple more episodes away as the next episode is the last one before it actually begins.
Aug 16, 2024 10:28 AM

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Sounded more like Yuuki was calling Rimuru a "romantic" or idealist instead of "ambitious". Do you have a take on this @marklebid?
Aug 16, 2024 11:38 AM

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We have put your regularly scheduled board meetings on hold so that we may hold smaller individual meetings.

I'm surprised the Hero's party hasn't gotten him killed yet.
Aug 16, 2024 4:12 PM
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Sounded more like Yuuki was calling Rimuru a "romantic" or idealist instead of "ambitious". Do you have a take on this @marklebid?
@HOOfan_1 You're right.

I can only guess they decided to go with ambitious because it might seem odd to say someone forming a kingdom of monsters was being a romantic.

Or kids today can't distinguish romanticism from romantic love.

romanchisuto
ロマンチスト
1. romanticist​
Noun
2. romantic; dreamer​

'roman' is romance in the same sense as romanticist, not love.
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So this time we got the day before the festival and next time is... the night before the festival. ugh. It's like their doing they're best dbz impression to see how long they can drag thins out.

And Rimuru continues to be a brainded moron of an ass when it comes to Yuuki.

runec said:
I'm surprised the Hero's party hasn't gotten him killed yet.
Yeah they were getting very annoying. I was hopping Rimuru would tell them to shut up and let the hero guy talk.
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Yuuki being secretly evil and hating Rimuru just makes no sense. Rimuru is perfect for improving quality of life. Only if Yuuki wants to rule the world alone is Rimuru a problem.
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Yuuki being secretly evil and hating Rimuru just makes no sense. Rimuru is perfect for improving quality of life. Only if Yuuki wants to rule the world alone is Rimuru a problem.
@marklebid It makes no sense to the point I honestly keep forgetting it.
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Yuuki being secretly evil and hating Rimuru just makes no sense. Rimuru is perfect for improving quality of life. Only if Yuuki wants to rule the world alone is Rimuru a problem.
@marklebid But you can see how Yuuki's interactions with him and his students make it less believable. Even if there's suspicion, he has never openly done anything wrong. Found it interesting that Rimuru and Kagali(Kazalim) were talking like nothing happened this episode.
Aug 17, 2024 6:54 AM

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What exactly us Yuuki's endgame in going after Rimuru anyway? If he wants to control the world, it seems Guy Crimson and Luminous Valentine would be bigger hurdles than Rimuru who just seems to want Tempest left alone and nothing else
Aug 17, 2024 12:02 PM
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Yeah I keep forgetting Yuuki too, it's like he there in the background as a tease to the viewer/reader "hey the real evil genius over here and look he's just toying with the MC, wonder when he's going to reveal himself...".
As usual his evil plot is world domination, but to what end? The main problem with these overly ambitious anime villains is they never have any motivation. Ironic since we are overloaded with meeting after meeting explaining Rimuru's goals that fuel his ambition.
Does he want to rule the world to get chicks(guys?)? Live comfortably? Revenge? Is there something the way it currently runs he doesn't like? Feed his ego?
Seems like he already lives a nice comfortable care free life. Unfortunately if it is ever revealed it will probably be something dumb. IMO Rimuru just needs a yin to his yang and Yuuki is it.
As for the hero, at least his party was talking rationally "hey this giy is a demon lord, demons are evil, kill him". Yes, yes disciples of Frieren, demon lords are EVIL, why do all these other countries suck up to them? Why does Hinata's demon lord (forget her name, the one who rubs it out to the chick in a block of ice) have to hide it when it appears most of the people in this world treat them with respect? Am I missing something?
Also really more meetings? This show can't go one ep can it?
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MenchiK1 said:
Why does Hinata's demon lord (forget her name, the one who rubs it out to the chick in a block of ice


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MenchiK1 said:
As for the hero, at least his party was talking rationally "hey this giy is a demon lord, demons are evil, kill him".
To me it doesn't make any sense at all. From the perspective of someone from our world a demon lord would sound evil, but to someone from this other world idk why they would think that way. Demon lord is just a title for anyone who has gained a certain level of power. It's not like all the demon lords are sending out hoards of demons trying to destroy everything in sight. To anyone from this world I don't see why they would be viewed any differently than someone would view a powerful king.
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MenchiK1 said:
As for the hero, at least his party was talking rationally "hey this giy is a demon lord, demons are evil, kill him".
To me it doesn't make any sense at all. From the perspective of someone from our world a demon lord would sound evil, but to someone from this other world idk why they would think that way. Demon lord is just a title for anyone who has gained a certain level of power. It's not like all the demon lords are sending out hoards of demons trying to destroy everything in sight. To anyone from this world I don't see why they would be viewed any differently than someone would view a powerful king.
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Uhhh its not just a title it's a title you can only achieve by killing HUMANS (as we saw with how Rimuru got it forgot the specific number). This doesn't seem to be a secret and (like with the heroes party) well known. Which is why it makes no sense to me for human kingdoms (most of the ones shown coming to pay respect this episode) to see him as anything but evil. Yeah they probably want to get on his good side but as long as there are powerful beings desiring power aren't humans just all potential targets?
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MenchiK1 said:
as we saw with how Rimuru got it forgot the specific number

I think it was 10k but he killed 20k of the guys attacking his town 'For good measure'.

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Which is why it makes no sense to me for human kingdoms (most of the ones shown coming to pay respect this episode) to see him as anything but evil.

The humans did attack him first.
Can blame the Church for that one.
Highly probable that if they never staged that attack in Season 2 he wouldn't be a Demon Lord right now.
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MenchiK1 said:
as we saw with how Rimuru got it forgot the specific number

I think it was 10k but he killed 20k of the guys attacking his town 'For good measure'.

MenchiK1 said:
Which is why it makes no sense to me for human kingdoms (most of the ones shown coming to pay respect this episode) to see him as anything but evil.

The humans did attack him first.
Can blame the Church for that one.
Highly probable that if they never staged that attack in Season 2 he wouldn't be a Demon Lord right now.
@Dosantsu

True buuut can't you argue that was preemptive because guys like Rimuru have the potential to want to become a demon lord and better to get them before they get us?
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True buuut can't you argue that was preemptive because guys like Rimuru have the potential to want to become a demon lord and better to get them before they get us?
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True buuut can't you argue that was preemptive because guys like Rimuru have the potential to want to become a demon lord and better to get them before they get us?
That had nothing to do with why they did it though. Falmuth saw Tempest as a threat to them economically and Hinata let herself get manipulated by Yuuki. Also I'm pretty sure that it wasn't well known that wiping out ten thousand people turns you into a demon lord. And that's only after you get whatever it was that Rimuru got from the orc lord. Even if they had known, and were worried about it, sending an army his way was just giving him exactly what he needed.

The reason no one wants to piss off the demon lords is because a lot of them could wipe out entire countries by themselves.
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MenchiK1 said:
True buuut can't you argue that was preemptive because guys like Rimuru have the potential to want to become a demon lord and better to get them before they get us?

Being a Demon Lord doesn't necessarily make you evil.
Ramiris is a demon lord and not evil, just not a True Demon Lord.
They are considered evil by humans because the conditions to evolve are to slay 10k humans.
But to gain the Demon Lord Seed you need to be incredibly strong before slaying the humans.
Heroes are the same way.
Be incredibly strong to gain the Hero Seed, slay some random amount of monsters and attain Saint status then boom.
Hero class.
So Heroes would naturally be considered evil to monsters as well.
We only consider Demon Lords evil because we are humans.

Would you go and kill your neighbour because he could potentially be a serial killer?
But sure, some Demon Lords can be considered evil, but a few of them only became Demon Lords to protect their respect territories or revenge against transgressions from invading humans.
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MenchiK1 said:
True buuut can't you argue that was preemptive because guys like Rimuru have the potential to want to become a demon lord and better to get them before they get us?

Being a Demon Lord doesn't necessarily make you evil.
Ramiris is a demon lord and not evil, just not a True Demon Lord.
They are considered evil by humans because the conditions to evolve are to slay 10k humans.
But to gain the Demon Lord Seed you need to be incredibly strong before slaying the humans.
Heroes are the same way.
Be incredibly strong to gain the Hero Seed, slay some random amount of monsters and attain Saint status then boom.
Hero class.
So Heroes would naturally be considered evil to monsters as well.
We only consider Demon Lords evil because we are humans.

Would you go and kill your neighbour because he could potentially be a serial killer?
But sure, some Demon Lords can be considered evil, but a few of them only became Demon Lords to protect their respect territories or revenge against transgressions from invading humans.
@Dosantsu

Not a comparable analogy, but if I knew my neighbor had killes
D 10k people I would at least call the cops on him (and move).

Yeah I am not getting the impression tgese demon lords are all nust innocent victims of the bad, mean humans.
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Not a comparable analogy, but if I knew my neighbor had killes
D 10k people I would at least call the cops on him (and move).

Yeah I am not getting the impression tgese demon lords are all nust innocent victims of the bad, mean humans.


It kinda is.
Falmuth decided that Tempest was dangerous purely because they are a nation made up entirely of monsters and with the prodding of the western church they went on and slaughtered the inhabitants.
Sure, you could say that Rimiru's answer to that was a bit much (Which a lot of people do say), but it's also because they attacked first and if they weren't interrupted they would have killed everyone in that nation.
So the humans of Falmuth and the Western Church consider it ok to commit genocide because they weren't human.

Sure, there are some evil demon lords.
But there are also some real shitty humans.
Same is true of our own world.
We have had and currently have our fair share of shitty humans.
And the only reason why we look at the Demon Lords and Heroes in Black and White is because we are human.
Ramiris isn't evil.
Milim isn't evil.
Rimiru isn't evil.
The others.... some are, some aren't.
Some are just screwing around because they are bored, others are defending nations, others are keeping the peace between factions.
But then you get the Church which sees monsters as abominations and frequently goes out and purges.
Other than the Clayman fiasco, pretty much all of the antagonistic behaviour against Rimiru and Tempest has been related to humans despite the things he's done for peace.
And even though they are in an alliance with Dwargon the humans still say "Big bad evil monster".

And as a footnote, you can avoid the quote pyramids by highlighting the text you want to copy and select "Copy" instead of "Quote Reply" and paste the selected text in a new reply.
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False equivalnce.
So if Falmuth had killed Rimuru they'd all still be alive, and why would you trust a monster to stay where they are and not attack in a world with a history of monsters attacking?
I don't know about Rimuru, killing 10k people for whatever reason then going on about your life like it was nothing definitely changed my impression of him. Maybe not evil evil, but indifferent to the point of feeling nothing can be seen as evil. How many of those soldiers have orphaned children and widowed spouses in a world with no social safety nets? This show (and Rimuru) acts like there were zero consequences to him killing all those men. For someone who plans and deeply considers everything he does not giving a second thought (other than becoming a demon lord) to those consequences is certainly out of character and almost feels like hand waving by the author.
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Dosantsu said:
Sure, you could say that Rimiru's answer to that was a bit much (Which a lot of people do say), but it's also because they attacked first and if they weren't interrupted they would have killed everyone in that nation.


The problem I have with that whole scenario though, is that Rimuru massacred thousands of lowly soldiers who were probably just conscripts without any choice in being there, while he left the actual people who planned and executed the invasion alive. Take if further, considering this whole series is about reincarnation, if the description of the process is correct, he destroyed their souls so they can't even be reincarnated.

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Milim isn't evil.


Neither is Veldora really, but neither of them seem to really know right from wrong sometimes, and Veldora destroyed a lot of cities just because he was bored, and Milim destroyed the Capital of the Beast Kingdom just to make Clayman think he was manipulating her. It takes people like Frey, Ramaris and Rimuru to reel in her spastic and violent tendencies.

The stuff Veldora did just because he was bored is kind of the reason that humans think "monsters bad" specifically because most of the monsters are in Jura Forest, and they thought that Veldora basically ruled, and or influenced the entire Forest just by his presence.
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Right these beings are literally forces of nature (earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.) that are indifferent to the death and destruction they cause. If you are someone who is on the recieving end of that and tbere was a way to control or stop it why wouldn't you?
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Just want to point out two things:

Eren told him he could revive his dead allies if he did the demon lord thing so half his motivation was saving his allies. The other half was simply vengeance me thinks.

At a certain point in the slaughter he gained the ability to reap their souls which he promptly did. So he didn't just slaughter thousands of them he effectively destroyed their entire existence on a metaphysical level.

The entire arc kind of feels like the author came up with the 10k murder thing to become a demon lord but then had to try and figure out a scenario where Rimuru would actually do that as it is not a very Rimuru thing to do.
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Just want to point out two things:

Eren told him he could revive his dead allies if he did the demon lord thing so half his motivation was saving his allies. The other half was simply vengeance me thinks.

At a certain point in the slaughter he gained the ability to reap their souls which he promptly did. So he didn't just slaughter thousands of them he effectively destroyed their entire existence on a metaphysical level.

The entire arc kind of feels like the author came up with the 10k murder thing to become a demon lord but then had to try and figure out a scenario where Rimuru would actually do that as it is not a very Rimuru thing to do.
@runec They killed his waifu.

Well, one of them at least.
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@runec They killed his waifu.

Well, one of them at least.
@marklebid Does he even care about his waifus at this point? They don't get much dialogue anymore and the previous dueling waifu shenanigan stuff has all but gone away. There's too many characters now for anyone to get in much dialogue wise beyond agreeing with him in the meeting room.
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MenchiK1 said:
So if Falmuth had killed Rimuru they'd all still be alive, and why would you trust a monster to stay where they are and not attack in a world with a history of monsters attacking?

There is not evidence that states that monsters deliberately go out of their way to purposely attack humans out of malicious intent.
They attack humans who enter their given territory.
Humans do the same to other humans who invade.
Would you take kindly to someone invading your home?
Besides, the Church's stance on monsters is that all monsters are evil period.

MenchiK1 said:
I don't know about Rimuru, killing 10k people for whatever reason then going on about your life like it was nothing definitely changed my impression of him. Maybe not evil evil, but indifferent to the point of feeling nothing can be seen as evil. How many of those soldiers have orphaned children and widowed spouses in a world with no social safety nets? This show (and Rimuru) acts like there were zero consequences to him killing all those men.

They were soldiers.
Like Wiz said in Konosuba: "If you are prepared to take lives, you should be prepared to have your life taken in turn"
And Rimiru killed them in the most painless way possible, majority of them never even saw it coming, unlike the residents of Tempest.
How many of those monsters had children?
How many of those victims WERE children?
All of the people Rimiru killed were combatants and not civilians.
And Rimiru did feel guilty about killing them, but because that was the only way for him to bring back his people he took that risk.
And the show has enough on it's plate without making Rimiru a sobbing mess of guilt.
Would you want the remainder of the show to have him crying on someone's shoulder for half an episode every single week?
Just be glad the author wasn't Okamoto Lynn.
Then you would have something to complain about.

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The problem I have with that whole scenario though, is that Rimuru massacred thousands of lowly soldiers who were probably just conscripts without any choice in being there, while he left the actual people who planned and executed the invasion alive.

No, the people who planned it are dead, save for the body swapping guy.
But that's because he's immortal now.
But he's Diablo's puppet now, a fate worse than death.
Rimiru killed the three of them in his initial attack, but the immortal guy 'survived' and became Diablo's toy.
That's why Rimiru had that guy become the new king of Falmuth.

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Take if further, considering this whole series is about reincarnation, if the description of the process is correct, he destroyed their souls so they can't even be reincarnated.

People in that world don't get reincarnated.
Pretty much just people from Japan.
Only a couple of shows reverse reincarnate.

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Neither is Veldora really, but neither of them seem to really know right from wrong sometimes

I don't really like Veldora, Veldora annoys me.
He became the token Otaku character for the series when he was released from Rimiru.
And a noisy Tsundere as well.
I'm torn on Milim, Milim has some very annoying moments but sometimes it's funny.
Sometimes.

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The stuff Veldora did just because he was bored is kind of the reason that humans think "monsters bad" specifically because most of the monsters are in Jura Forest, and they thought that Veldora basically ruled, and or influenced the entire Forest just by his presence.

Yea, it is wrong, but you can't really judge monsters that are basically walking/flying natural disasters as 'good' or 'evil'.
Doesn't help Veldora's case that he's sentient and *cough* intelligent.
But Veldora's presence within the seal in the Forest of Jura was to keep monsters in check.
Even though he couldn't break out his aura made all the monsters so scared they kept to their own areas, like the Direwolves in season 1.
And that's why the Goblin tribes considered him their god.
And the Church will obviously get what's coming to it eventually.

runec said:
The entire arc kind of feels like the author came up with the 10k murder thing to become a demon lord but then had to try and figure out a scenario where Rimuru would actually do that as it is not a very Rimuru thing to do.

It was a rather abrupt change.
It wasn't bad to watch, but it did kinda make the whole nice monster thing they spent the entirety of season 1 setting up kinda moot.
But they did attack first, if they didn't it would never have happened.
He would have just been an average Demon Lord rather than True Demon Lord.

runec said:
Does he even care about his waifus at this point?

No, he doesn't.
He has no romantic interest in any of his villagers or party members at all.
They are just important friends and citizens of his nation.
But would you really want them to become his love interests?
That would be treading into dangerous territory.
Best leave that for the shipping community.
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Something people seem to have forgotten is one of the reasons the creatures in Tempest got trashed as badly as they did is because Rimuru had made a rule they weren't to hurt humans. So when the humans came in they were the ones committing murder. Rimuru fighting back was an act of war, not murder.

Fallmuth made zero effort to try and live peacefully with Tempset, they just attacked as soon as they got the chance and thought they could be successful. If Rimuru had wanted to he could have gone into Fallmuth with a few of his henchman and laid waste to the place in the same way Fallmuth had intended to do to them.

Anyway, my whole original point was that I think it's silly that the people of this world would automatically think Demon Lord = evil any more than they would think that any other powerful ruler was automatically evil. There are humans that live in demon lord territory after all and I'm sure there's been plenty of human rulers that were tyrants and just as bad as the worst demon lords.

Just because some people here might think of demon lords as evil doesn't mean the people of that world would.
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Something people seem to have forgotten is one of the reasons the creatures in Tempest got trashed as badly as they did is because Rimuru had made a rule they weren't to hurt humans. So when the humans came in they were the ones committing murder. Rimuru fighting back was an act of war, not murder.

Fallmuth made zero effort to try and live peacefully with Tempset, they just attacked as soon as they got the chance and thought they could be successful. If Rimuru had wanted to he could have gone into Fallmuth with a few of his henchman and laid waste to the place in the same way Fallmuth had intended to do to them.

Anyway, my whole original point was that I think it's silly that the people of this world would automatically think Demon Lord = evil any more than they would think that any other powerful ruler was automatically evil. There are humans that live in demon lord territory after all and I'm sure there's been plenty of human rulers that were tyrants and just as bad as the worst demon lords.

Just because some people here might think of demon lords as evil doesn't mean the people of that world would.
zkeleton said:
Anyway, my whole original point was that I think it's silly that the people of this world would automatically think Demon Lord = evil any more than they would think that any other powerful ruler was automatically evil. There are humans that live in demon lord territory after all and I'm sure there's been plenty of human rulers that were tyrants and just as bad as the worst demon lords.


There has to be other ways to become a demon lord because I doubt Ramiris has devoured the souls of thousands. I would say most of the demon lords don't even seem to be tyrants. I can see the obviously evil ones being tyrants but I don't remember the show ever showing them subjugating their people or anything.

As a random aside I have discovered that there is actually a children's book version of That Time I Reincarnated As A Slime. It's essentially the same story but Milim doesn't have a super horny character design. Which is kind of funny that they looked at Milim and went "Ermm...okay maybe not" then made her put a shirt on.
Aug 22, 2024 5:21 AM

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Dosantsu said:
No, the people who planned it are dead


Rimuru didn't kill the Arch-Bishop or the king. The Arch-Bishop ended up being killed by the Seventh Day guys who were trying to get Hinata killed. The king was allowed to live and abdicate his post to his brother, and he is still alive.

Dosantsu said:
Yea, it is wrong, but you can't really judge monsters that are basically walking/flying natural disasters as 'good' or 'evil'.


Why should the humans care if he is good or evil? He was destroying their cities and killed their relatives....that's why they hated monsters.


Dosantsu said:
But Veldora's presence within the seal in the Forest of Jura was to keep monsters in check.


From all of the dialogue I have seen from humans outside of Jura, they didn't know that. They figured he was running the show in Jura


Dosantsu said:
They were soldiers.
Like Wiz said in Konosuba: "If you are prepared to take lives, you should be prepared to have your life taken in turn"


They were conscripts. Wasn't there a scene at one point showing a bunch of craftsmen and farmers being pressed into military service and dragged away from their family? I'm not sure they were prepared to take lives, they were just trying to keep from being executed or thrown in jail for being draft dodgers.
Aug 22, 2024 5:37 AM

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There has to be other ways to become a demon lord because I doubt Ramiris has devoured the souls of thousands.

Ramiris hasn't.
She's not a True Demon Lord.
Conditions for being a Demon Lord is simply to have enough strength (Magicules I guess) to obtain a Demon Lord Seed.
Supposedly Rimiru gained his when he devoured the Orc Disaster.
Ramiris gained hers when she saved Milim when she went berserk by absorbing all of the corrupt energy she was giving off, changing her into a corrupted Spirit and giving her the status of Demon Lord.
Monsters only need to kill 10k humans if they want to become a True Demon Lord.
Other than that, you just gotta be strong enough to be classified as Demon Lord.
It's essentially just a measure of power rather than being a proper creature.
When Rimiru did the whole ritual to become a True Demon Lord he also gained the monster evolution "Demon Slime".
Before that he was just a Slime with the Demon Lord status.

HOOfan_1 said:

Rimuru didn't kill the Arch-Bishop or the king. The Arch-Bishop ended up being killed by the Seventh Day guys who were trying to get Hinata killed. The king was allowed to live and abdicate his post to his brother, and he is still alive.


Huh, thought the king and arch bishop were at the main camp and got headshot by Rimiru.
Guess it's been that long since I watched Slime.
Which is funny cause I'm almost finished rewatching season 1 in preparation for binging season 3 when it finishes airing.

HOOfan_1 said:

Why should the humans care if he is good or evil? He was destroying their cities and killed their relatives....that's why they hated monsters.

Yea, but you shouldn't judge all monsters based on the actions of two, which just so happened to be Dragon and Dragonoid.

HOOfan_1 said:
From all of the dialogue I have seen from humans outside of Jura, they didn't know that. They figured he was running the show in Jura

So assumptions.
But aren't humans mostly aware of the fact that before Rimiru took over the Dryads were in charge of Jura?
At least the guildmaster and that mercenary were aware.

HOOfan_1 said:
They were conscripts. Wasn't there a scene at one point showing a bunch of craftsmen and farmers being pressed into military service and dragged away from their family? I'm not sure they were prepared to take lives, they were just trying to keep from being executed or thrown in jail for being draft dodgers.

Don't really remember.
Could be.
But how was Rimiru supposed to know that?
All he saw was people sent by a rival nation to cull the non humans.
And they killed someone who was important to him on a personal level.
And a fair chunk of them did attack the city themselves.
Tit for tat and all that.
But the whole thing was just so that Rimiru could become a True Demon Lord.
You'd have to ask the author why it had to be that way.
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HOOfan_1 said:
They were conscripts. Wasn't there a scene at one point showing a bunch of craftsmen and farmers being pressed into military service and dragged away from their family? I'm not sure they were prepared to take lives, they were just trying to keep from being executed or thrown in jail for being draft dodgers.
Are you sure you aren't thinking of another show? Like maybe Overlord? Something like that fits the tone of that show much more than this one.
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Dosantsu said:
No, the people who planned it are dead


Rimuru didn't kill the Arch-Bishop or the king. The Arch-Bishop ended up being killed by the Seventh Day guys who were trying to get Hinata killed. The king was allowed to live and abdicate his post to his brother, and he is still alive.

Dosantsu said:
Yea, it is wrong, but you can't really judge monsters that are basically walking/flying natural disasters as 'good' or 'evil'.


Why should the humans care if he is good or evil? He was destroying their cities and killed their relatives....that's why they hated monsters.


Dosantsu said:
But Veldora's presence within the seal in the Forest of Jura was to keep monsters in check.


From all of the dialogue I have seen from humans outside of Jura, they didn't know that. They figured he was running the show in Jura


Dosantsu said:
They were soldiers.
Like Wiz said in Konosuba: "If you are prepared to take lives, you should be prepared to have your life taken in turn"


They were conscripts. Wasn't there a scene at one point showing a bunch of craftsmen and farmers being pressed into military service and dragged away from their family? I'm not sure they were prepared to take lives, they were just trying to keep from being executed or thrown in jail for being draft dodgers.
HOOfan_1 said:
They were conscripts. Wasn't there a scene at one point showing a bunch of craftsmen and farmers being pressed into military service and dragged away from their family? I'm not sure they were prepared to take lives, they were just trying to keep from being executed or thrown in jail for being draft dodgers.


According to the wiki they had a scouting unit comprised of conscripts and a mercenary force of 6000 that could be conscripted as needed.

Otherwise most the army were knights, not conscripts. So most of them did probably deserve it even though punishing them for it didn't seem like a Rimuru thing to do.
Aug 22, 2024 3:40 PM

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runec said:
though punishing them for it didn't seem like a Rimuru thing to do.


Yeah it was the weird shift in tone that happened for about 5 episodes that kind of soured me a little. He goes from "I'm not a bad slime" to "welp, guess it's time to slaughter a bunch of guys and take their souls" back to "I'm just a goofy slime" again. Not to mention the whole group of other worlders who got brutally killed.
Aug 23, 2024 1:40 AM

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HOOfan_1 said:
Not to mention the whole group of other worlders who got brutally killed.

Those other worlders were monsters.
Were you not watching?
That chick used her ability to pretend that it was that weird faced goblin that assaulted her first which meant the knights could march in under the pretense of saving her from goblins, the guy who was smack talking them the whole time and killed the chick so he could unlock the Survivor ability and the 'calm' guy who was actually a sadist was gonna torture Shion to death.

Or are you talking about a different group of otherworlders?
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