I still can't understand Roswaal "Master Plan" in his actions...

DeadlyAmmo said:
Roswaal never remembers any loops, so that isn't even a problem for him.

aito_SAKO said:
Roswaal dosent know that bunnys will destroy sanctyary, only thing the book tells roswall is that "it will snow" and beacuse book told that"it will snow" Roswall will make it make it snow, nothing else matters but following the text of the book of wisdom for Roswal.

aito_SAKO said:
The Reason why Roswaal wants Emilia to fail the trial is because he wants to Subaru to take them.

1) Let's start with the mansion, what was the point in Roswaal sending assassins to the mansion again? they will kill everyone in the mansion so Roswaal know this will force Subaru to stay in the forest living in a loop because Subaru won't let that happen and he will keep re-doing it to save everyone and thus, Roswaal would stay in a loop as well and he should know this.

2) The thing Roswaal is trying to do will require a lot of mana and hence it will attract the bunnies to the forest and thus, killing everyone in the process including him, Roswaal should know something like this will happen (it should be in his book). This will force Roswaal to live in a loop again.

3) It doesn't make sense for Roswaal to revive Echidna the way he's doing things because the way he's doing it will have everyone killed and thus, living in a loop or will force Subaru to keep living in a loop till he succeeds.

4) What is the point in Roswaal having Subaru to help Emilia again? Roswaal wants Emilia to fail but if Subaru helps Emilia then she will most likely succeed, Roswaal should know that this will require a lot of "redo" from Subaru's part and he will succeed sooner or later, otherwise they will keep living in a loop forever and I'm sure this is not what Roswaal wants so... what was the point in all of his actions again?

Gilgameshuu said:
Let's first figure out what Roswaal's goal is, at least pieces of it. We know in Season 1 that he wants to kill the Dragon Volcanica, a being that supposedly formed a contract with the Royal Family to protect Lugnica, and in this episode, Ram mentions that Roswaal's wishes will be granted once Emilia takes the throne, if we connect the dots, we can hypothesize that Emilia taking the throne is just one step to achieve his goals, after that we can guess that since Emilia is the ruler, that will make it so that it's possible for Roswaal, as her backer to get closer to the Dragon and kill it, why or what happens after that we don't know, but it must be something related to Echidna, that's for sure.


Roswaal wants to strengthen Subaru's resolve by choosing to protect one precious thing, and that one precious thing alone while sacrificing everything else, for Subaru, that one precious thing is Emilia.

This is the major miscalculation in Roswaal's part though, and that's Rem's whole existence, since she was erased from everyone's memory except for Subaru, and thus history and time re-adjusts itself as if she never existed in the first place, maybe Rem isn't present in Roswaal's tome? Even if she did, he would have no memories of her so he wouldn't think of her as much, and we know Rem is very important to Subaru, that's also partly the reason why he didn't want to just choose Emilia since that would mean sacrificing Rem.

Basically, what Roswaal wants is to manipulate Subaru, forcing him to choose Emilia over everything else, and doing the trials in her place, this will leave a deep scar into him that will haunt him forever, making him a mentally weaker person, and the same goes for Emilia, she won't be able to face and overcome her past and regrets, making her mentally unstable like what happened in S2E11. Once the two of them become like this, it will be easier for Roswaal to manipulate the both of them to achieve his goals.



Regardless of what will happen, Roswaal relies on the Tome, as it's a pathway to achieve, we're not even sure if the rabbits will kill everyone maybe the Tome has some instruction on how to exterminate the rabbits.




Same as my last sentence, we don't know if it will actually kill everyone. Since the Tome is a guide to Roswaal's future, there must be a way written there on how to defeat the rabbits, if not then that's contradicting the Tome's purpose.



I'll reiterate my answer in your first question, Roswaal wants to push Subaru into a corner so that he chooses to prioritize Emilia over everything else, and that also involves taking the trials instead of Emilia, leaving both of them mentally weaker and easier to manipulate for his goals.

Gilgameshuu said:

Roswaal wants to strengthen Subaru's resolve by choosing to protect one precious thing, and that one precious thing alone while sacrificing everything else, for Subaru, that one precious thing is Emilia.

This is the major miscalculation in Roswaal's part though, and that's Rem's whole existence, since she was erased from everyone's memory except for Subaru, and thus history and time re-adjusts itself as if she never existed in the first place, maybe Rem isn't present in Roswaal's tome? Even if she did, he would have no memories of her so he wouldn't think of her as much, and we know Rem is very important to Subaru, that's also partly the reason why he didn't want to just choose Emilia since that would mean sacrificing Rem.

Anucolo said:


But doesn't gluttony have any effect on roswaal. So he should remember Rem.
Shouldn't he?

Gilgameshuu said:


Who said gluttony effects doesn't work on Roswaal? When he sent the assassin he didn't even mention Rem being a target, implying he doesn't know her.

StoneFreee said:
however we do know that if the tome continues after it “snows” then subaru will live

xZabuzax said:

That's another important point I didn't consider, does his tome contines after it "snows"? if that's the case then he probably shouldn't worry about being stuck in a loop because he knows that Subaru will probably figure things out to keep moving forward and thus, continuing the tome just as planned, plus he's not experiencing the loops so he's probably worrying even less about it.

My issue now is that Subaru didn't mention the bunnies when they talked, I believe this was important.

Anucolo said:

Beatrice said in the novel in arc 3 which was not animated.

xZabuzax said:

That's another important point I didn't consider, does his tome continues after it "snows"? if that's the case then he probably shouldn't worry about being stuck in a loop because he knows that Subaru will probably figure things out to keep moving forward and thus, continuing the tome just as planned, plus he's not experiencing the loops so he's probably worrying even less about it.

My issue now is that Subaru didn't mention the bunnies when they talked, I believe this was important.

ExcaliburAO said:
that was an exception. Beatrice was in the library which is cut off from the rest of the world. So the gluttony witch factor didn’t reach herit makes sense for Subaru to assume roswaal already knows about the bunnies. Even if Subaru told him, roswaal will still make it snow because the tomb told him to

Anucolo said:

This is a part in arc 4 which was skipped in anime.

So Beatrice is saying that Roswaal would know.

Anucolo said:

This is a part in arc 4 which was skipped in anime.

So Beatrice is saying that Roswaal would know.

Noir_Alchemist said:


Thats the thing i been saying all this time this season, anime onlies dont get many stuffs and when we asked we are told that we didnt pay attention, when in reslity the anime didnt animated many stuff from the LN, and i guess many LN readers have that mix up, they dont remember where they get the info, they have it so they tied the nots, while anime onlies have to ask on forums all the time "what is happening !!!!"

Now i understand , after reading a forum WHY ROSWAL is attacing the mansion, however some fans said that he wanta to streng subaru resolve by choosing emilia, other say he wants to break subaru for not being able to save both, that he eqnts to break emilia too in order to manioulate her ... but how a broken doll can be choosed as a ruler??? That make no sense to me, no emilia no get close to the dragon.... now how ALL OF THIS santuary stuff are related to bring edchina ??? Is his tome instrutions left by echidna to wake her up ? I dont care about spoilers, plesse tell me