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Icibalus said: ScarletCelestial said: *Just to be clear I'm voting Gwen to kill Astros. i mean Gwen's the wolf here but i'm okay with this Well I'm not happy with Gwen but Astros is worse imo. |
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| is a day kill 1 shot for the whole game or 1 shot per day phase? |
finds them wolfy, i want to talk to aadono before i really share anything theyve confided to me / previous lover |
Icibalus said: ScarletCelestial said: *Just to be clear I'm voting Gwen to kill Astros. i mean Gwen's the wolf here but i'm okay with this Basically this lol |
ScarletCelestial said: There are Daykills remember. They only have one shot at a day kill. |
delusionalism said: finds them wolfy, i want to talk to aadono before i really share anything theyve confided to me / previous lover What’s this suppose to mean, did they claim wolf to you. Why wouldn’t you share something they confided in you. |
Firekitten said: delusionalism said: finds them wolfy, i want to talk to aadono before i really share anything theyve confided to me / previous lover What’s this suppose to mean, did they claim wolf to you. Why wouldn’t you share something they confided in you. i already said i hadnt had a chance to have a good chat with em. trying to find post #'s and whatnot for their reads and bounce off each other some more, we're talking right now |
DenjaX said: Whole game.is a day kill 1 shot for the whole game or 1 shot per day phase? |
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delusionalism said: Firekitten said: What’s this suppose to mean, did they claim wolf to you. Why wouldn’t you share something they confided in you. i already said i hadnt had a chance to have a good chat with em. trying to find post #'s and whatnot for their reads and bounce off each other some more, we're talking right now best to lynch gwen / astros still as per current discussion |
| good night, should be back before dl |
ScarletCelestial said: ONCE?!? Ok he needs to go. I dont mind sacrificing so I do not have to read everything. xDDThis scares me. Also: your lover is Awesome5000 who has posted only once I believe. |
| I'm annoyed at him, but here's what Kaitou has to say about this game. Black is Kaitou, purple are my comments/what I thought. The first thing I asked him was about his Litten vote. He said that it was as a joke. I wanted to punch him in the face. I then asked how caught up he was, he said page 20. I said skip walls and my posts to try and catch up faster. (He already had been doing that, the one wall he did read was by Astros.) I was exasperated, and kinda annoyed at this. I then asked about his thoughts on Gwen/Astros and Awa/Osie since they were the more contested pairs imo. He said the following: Astros is Town because of how analytical his posting has been. He only read his first wall though, because he was having trouble keeping up. Gwen he thought was being pressured and nitpicked over too much, and that Litten and Wisp were a bit tunnelled on them. He thought the issues with her were a little surface level. I don't think this is the best defence of Gwen ever. He also said that the amount of pressure made him think it was more likely she would be Town. Osie he didn't really have thoughts on because he knew he'd been subbed. (Because of it being a staff matter, I presume, rather than hearing it in the scum chat at some point: I can't really disagree with him not trying to read someone who isn't in the thread any longer.) He said he'd wait for Delusionalism to post. Awa he thought was trying to work hard to not be viewed as scum. I asked him if he thought she was scum. He then said nevermind, she's actually Townie because of her depth of thinking. I then asked who he Townread and he gave the following list: Litten Wisp Astros Awa He then expanded on Wisp, saying that although this was the first game he played with him Wisp was very obviously Town due to his high investment and activity, as well as how he presented his thoughts. He did say the reasons he read people were weird though. I think this one probably had the most coherent reasoning imo. This is when he left. The version I presented was a bit bare bones, but is a condensation of what he said. Basically, I liked how he looked at Awa and Gwen, and I think that if Kaitou or one of those two flip scum, the others wouldn't be in relation to Kaitou. The Wisp read was also good, but it feels like there's nothing new said about him there. The Astros read annoys me mainly because of him only reading one post. On the other hand, by telling me he didn't read most of his posts it makes me think of him as Town because he could've lied to me about it to try and pocket me. I'm not entirely happy and I need to see how he actually does stuff in future Days, but I wouldn't be happy voting him myself. |
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DenjaX said: is a day kill 1 shot for the whole game or 1 shot per day phase? One per Day I believe, minus Day 1. |
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| If I sound like I'm already locked lynch, then its as that's how you see things. I'm not giving up because of suspicion against me and Gwen despite the claims of others. I've already stated my reasons for my behavior, but they continue to go ignored. aa-dono said: Have you? YAAAAYY I like this and I'm gonna ignore everything else. JK, I read all your words. I just decided to skip the ones where my response is "Ok, reasonable" |
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delusionalism said: finds them wolfy, i want to talk to aadono before i really share anything theyve confided to me / previous lover Can't really fault you for that, it's just that I'm really annoyed at their progression with Gwen and if they elaborated on the why in their chat with you/Osie it'd really help in filling in the gaps. |
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| Then I dare them to shoot. That will help town gain information with the flip. xDD Time is the most powerful tool for town here. We should not be embarrassed for resorting to a no lynch. Only mafia will frown upon on this strategy. |
| Update: I've asked the mod and there is at least 1 v/w pair in the game, which means that @delusionalism 's insight is valid. There is still a possibility of any number of v/w pairs being the wolves, however. |
DenjaX said: ScarletCelestial said: ONCE?!? Ok he needs to go. I dont mind sacrificing so I do not have to read everything. xDDThis scares me. Also: your lover is Awesome5000 who has posted only once I believe. Denja, I'm guessing if Awesome claimed scum to you you wouldn't try to go for the solo win with them? |
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| So the setup is either: 2 v/w, 1 w/w, 5 v/v OR 4 v/w, 8 v/v |
ScarletCelestial said: Incorrect. One per Day I believe, minus Day 1. |
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DenjaX said: You forget. Town can be exceptionally lazy. Then I dare them to shoot. That will help town gain information with the flip. xDD Time is the most powerful tool for town here. We should not be embarrassed for resorting to a no lynch. Only mafia will frown upon on this strategy. |
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| I can tell you right now it's the former. |
| Irrelevant and WIFOM. it is established that it is random. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a w/w pair but as town, it is best to think the worst case scenario where its v/w pair altogether. |
Seshmaster said: I can tell you right now it's the former. Why do you say that? |
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DenjaX said: Irrelevant and WIFOM. it is established that it is random. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a w/w pair but as town, it is best to think the worst case scenario where its v/w pair altogether. True - the most likely M/M pairing is yourself and Awesome, so unless you're exactly half of the scum team it would probably mean there's 4 M/T pairs. My gut says that the latter is less likely imo, but... that could be the case. |
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ScarletCelestial said: It'd be too scumsided were it the latter IMO.Seshmaster said: I can tell you right now it's the former. Why do you say that? |
DenjaX said: Irrelevant and WIFOM. it is established that it is random. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a w/w pair but as town, it is best to think the worst case scenario where its v/w pair altogether. It is random but I have DIRECT confirmation from the mod that there is at least one v/w pair. Therefore, those are the only two possibilities. Secondly, it is far from irrelevant. I haven't done the exact calculations but it intuitively makes sense that it is more likely for there to be the setup with a w/w pair, which is very helpful for our PoE. |
Seshmaster said: It'd be too scumsided were it the latter IMO. Uh blue the setup is chosen at random |
Seshmaster said: It'd be too scumsided were it the latter IMO. tbf I said the same thing lol. Any update on Mesk? |
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| See delusionism's point about the game. If we have two w/v pairs flipped then so long as we have a villager in all but one pairs we can easily tell who the w/w pair is. |
| Am I allowed to read that person yet or did they not get their role yet and everything they are saying is naj |
| Also for whoever asked, here's one game where my partner was scum: https://forum.imperium42.com/t/battle-of-25-armies-warhammer-fantasy-fm-rom-elf-win/73568 @Icibalus Can you remember the game where Hjasik was Evil King and basically did nothing until he was accused? I can't find it, but it's a better example of his scum AI than the one I found. |
ScarletCelestial said: So why aren't you lynching me? The horrible truth about a Lovers game is we have to sacrifice an innocent town in order to get rid of a mafia. We shouldn't backpedal on this because it is the only way for town to win.True - the most likely M/M pairing is yourself and Awesome, so unless you're exactly half of the scum team it would probably mean there's 4 M/T pairs. My gut says that the latter is less likely imo, but... that could be the case. |
| I recognise that this isn't a helpful discussion for Day 1 but we should probably keep it on the back of our minds. |
DenjaX said: ScarletCelestial said: So why aren't you lynching me? The horrible truth about a Lovers game is we have to sacrifice an innocent town in order to get rid of a mafia. We shouldn't backpedal on this because it is the only way for town to win.True - the most likely M/M pairing is yourself and Awesome, so unless you're exactly half of the scum team it would probably mean there's 4 M/T pairs. My gut says that the latter is less likely imo, but... that could be the case. Because we are pretty much sure Gwen is mafia wait your turn |
Seshmaster said: Also for whoever asked, here's one game where my partner was scum: https://forum.imperium42.com/t/battle-of-25-armies-warhammer-fantasy-fm-rom-elf-win/73568 @Icibalus Can you remember the game where Hjasik was Evil King and basically did nothing until he was accused? I can't find it, but it's a better example of his scum AI than the one I found. Has he posted in lover chat yet? If he hasn't then I'm willing to vote him TOMMOROW. |
Icibalus said: Seshmaster said: Also for whoever asked, here's one game where my partner was scum: https://forum.imperium42.com/t/battle-of-25-armies-warhammer-fantasy-fm-rom-elf-win/73568 @Icibalus Can you remember the game where Hjasik was Evil King and basically did nothing until he was accused? I can't find it, but it's a better example of his scum AI than the one I found. Has he posted in lover chat yet? If he hasn't then I'm willing to vote him TOMMOROW. Basically this lol |
| If we reckon we can find a w/w pairing then go for them, but as it stands I still suggest voting myself so we can get Hjasik out of the way. It's not a very valuable wolf kill but it's a wolf kill nonetheless. |
Seshmaster said: If we reckon we can find a w/w pairing then go for them, but as it stands I still suggest voting myself so we can get Hjasik out of the way. It's not a very valuable wolf kill but it's a wolf kill nonetheless. Pssst, vote NewG with us. |
Seshmaster said: If we reckon we can find a w/w pairing then go for them, but as it stands I still suggest voting myself so we can get Hjasik out of the way. It's not a very valuable wolf kill but it's a wolf kill nonetheless. Can you stop self voting and actually read Gwen’s posts |
Icibalus said: All he's done is ask where Geyde went, and when I asked him to convince me he was town, say "I'm town, the towniest town to ever town" and that's that.Seshmaster said: Also for whoever asked, here's one game where my partner was scum: https://forum.imperium42.com/t/battle-of-25-armies-warhammer-fantasy-fm-rom-elf-win/73568 @Icibalus Can you remember the game where Hjasik was Evil King and basically did nothing until he was accused? I can't find it, but it's a better example of his scum AI than the one I found. Has he posted in lover chat yet? If he hasn't then I'm willing to vote him TOMMOROW. |
Firekitten said: Nah.Seshmaster said: If we reckon we can find a w/w pairing then go for them, but as it stands I still suggest voting myself so we can get Hjasik out of the way. It's not a very valuable wolf kill but it's a wolf kill nonetheless. Can you stop self voting and actually read Gwen’s posts Do you scumread their partner? |
Seshmaster said: All he's done is ask where Geyde went, and when I asked him to convince me he was town, say "I'm town, the towniest town to ever town" and that's that. Right, now let me find my points on Gwen. |
Icibalus said: I want to say that Denja is more referring to that it's irrelevant in finding mafia. Establishing the role pairs doesn't help in that and actually can lead our search astray by the need to pin a specific pairing to two players. "If I were to assign the w/v pair who would be the best candidate?" That completely ignores the possibility that your own pair could be that one and your current reads which are incomplete. It's jumping to conclusions. It is random but I have DIRECT confirmation from the mod that there is at least one v/w pair. Therefore, those are the only two possibilities. Secondly, it is far from irrelevant. I haven't done the exact calculations but it intuitively makes sense that it is more likely for there to be the setup with a w/w pair, which is very helpful for our PoE. |
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Seshmaster said: Nah. Do you scumread their partner? Dude they are literally more obvious wolf then hjaisk and that’s saying something |
DenjaX said: Good luck. You have my interest atm. I have faith in town. And since I am here now, i can make things interesting to make them tune in. muehehehe |
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Firekitten said: That's not answering my question.Seshmaster said: Nah. Do you scumread their partner? Dude they are literally more obvious wolf then hjaisk and that’s saying something |
Seshmaster said: That's not answering my question. The answer is implied there |
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