| Ok..so I'm going to reply to all those guys who mentioned me and will try my best to defend myself in a few hours. But before that.... I read a few posts here and there but... WHO DAFAQ SAID IT WAS MY 5TH GAME?😅 It's my 2nd game. |
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| Okay, sorry this took so long, but I will finally do a quick re-evaluation on Red_Salmon and LucianRoy from their interactions late Day 1. Red_Salmon said: This is the post that started it all.unvote (I thought I had unvoted my RVS. Mustve forgot about it) Halfway through my read from Page 3 onwards I had started suspecting Lucian as scum with how he had managed to get everyone's eyes off of him and onto LW just as a train had started to form on him. That too when the reason on voting on LW was weak. Plus being wary of people who have been town reading him calling it as white-knighting by scum is suspicious too. He seems overly aware of it. Rather uncomfortable by it. Normally one wouldn't even look too much into town reads. But nothing he says is specifically scummy. Then he asked people what they thought of the sleip vs his discussion, which is more towny. Was gonna vote on him but can't take chances right now. As for LW, he certainly did over react to the pressure. But not in the scummy way First off, Red_Salmon hadn't forgot about where her vote was or wasn't - It was Grapefruit who had made a mistake in the vote count, so you can't blame him for that. I also do not think that Red_Salmon is flip-flopping and I don't think it's wrong argue both sides of a case, especially when it comes to a player like LucianRoy who is not at all one-dimensional. The only part I do find a bit scummy is: "Was gonna vote on him but can't take chances right now." LucianRoy said: This post is very harsh and the points Lucian is trying to make isn't strong enough to overturn my town read.Red_Salmon said: unvote (I thought I had unvoted my RVS. Mustve forgot about it) Halfway through my read from Page 3 onwards I had started suspecting Lucian as scum with how he had managed to get everyone's eyes off of him and onto LW just as a train had started to form on him. That too when the reason on voting on LW was weak. Please explain where my reasoning for voting Last is faulty and/or weak. Plus being wary of people who have been town reading him calling it as white-knighting by scum is suspicious too. He seems overly aware of it. Rather uncomfortable by it. Normally one wouldn't even look too much into town reads. You never explained your townread on me. But nothing he says is specifically scummy. Then he asked people what they thought of the sleip vs his discussion, which is more towny. So am I being townread by you now, or scumread? Was gonna vote on him but can't take chances right now. As for LW, he certainly did over react to the pressure. But not in the scummy way Why is his overreaction town to you? Vote: Red_Salmon You flip-flop quite a bit in this post. @Suzune-chan, Salmon seems to be slinging a fair amount of mud in my direction yet doesn't revote me, nor comes to a conclusion on my alignment. What do you make of it? Red_Salmon said he had noticed something odd by how the votes had shifted around page 3. But Lucian instead want to change focus to the reasoning/argumentation back then. And by changing the focus like this, he is putting Red_Salmon in a bad light and honestly being very defensive. "You never explained your townread on me." - What? Red_Salmon is refering to the other players. Again you are focusing on something entirely different than what Red_Salmon is trying to say. I do agree that Red_Salmon is not bering very clear about what his actual read on LucianRoy is, but I honestly don't see what's so bad about it, so in general, I'm a bit put off by all this. Shinichi-Kun said: vote:red salmon normally people who mud sling or flip flop are scum. Though I can't say much when comes to my voting pattern AlbertinoDias said: i'll do this i'll change my vote change vote: Red_Salmon but, if chad comes back and Salmon also votes for Togs, i will change my vote for Togs again :) The_Pyromaani said: There is so much damn sheeping in these votes!!! Like, okay fair enough with the lynch lock system and there wasn't much time left, but you should still add your own reasoning! Lucian made some "fair" but in my eyes rather weak points as to why Red_Salmon is scum, but if you don't look at the source material as well.If you say so. I've never been fan of day ones cause its basically gambling in some sense. But we cant go anywhere without opening gate from somewhere. Also wai u think Salmon is scum= Unvote Vote: Red_salmon I don't have any more time. And I know I'm really hypocritical right now, but I really want a lynch today. And since I haven't look into ironace at all and won't have time before phase change, my vote will be 100 % sheeping. I trust the rest of town... Vote: ironace |
Gwendolly said: I do feel Salmon flip would give a lot of juicy information. I can't say i'm a fan of lynching people solely for the sake of information though.The whole of page 8 is a mess. I feel like lucian was nit-picking salmons words in sort of a desperation for a lynch. I really dont see anything strange on salmon right now, I do get where y'all coming from but like I said this is really nit-picking and it may have been legitimate for a first lynch. Interesting that Shinichi and ironace indeed had no doubts on that weak accusation and just simply agreeing with lucian. Do you guys believe you'll get more answers seeing salmon flip than lucian or LW? Albertinos vote looked like a vote of desperation too, so for now he's clear for me too. Pyro just seemed to be straight sheeping lol without even knowing his real reason for voting (#394) #539 @ironace "Its safe to say that people like me and abu are easier pickings that can be rid of later in the game.Even inactives are easier targets for later game." Imagine the inactives are indeed scum; the game would be awfully slow and easy to control by them. Should actually avoid that and poke everyone here or they should just die already! Also did you just admit that you'll be inactive in the future too? And I dont see your reasons for voting salmon, if you think Suzune was onto something or even lucian. It seems you are working yourself around them but not getting to the actual problem. aa-dono: Seems to mention stuff that has already been mentioned, but she seems to be analyzing individually and not following others by bringing fresh wind into this case and looking at it from another view. I like what she has to say so far. So neutral. wen: Seems to be staying and pushing on the salmon case #546. #553 yet you think its wasteful going back to him. Has interesting stuff to say but seems more NAI than actual commitment. Haven't read everything what you had to say, so Imma see later. I wouldnt mind a lw or lucian lynch today For that matter, the fact that you have lucian in your neutral list but also in your 'would lynch' list confuses me a bit. You plan on lynching him solely for the sake of information or do you actually scumread him (a bit)? Also keep in mind i was doing catchup posting. Therefore i wasn't staying on the salmon train as the post i quoted happened before the entire salmon train. And it's more that i didn't want us to go into D2 with a "we didn't get him D1 but we'll get him D2" mentality, because that usually is a good method of wasting time. |
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| Ok so guys are mostly triggered over the fact that I seem to be sheeping on D1 but lucian had given a perfect flip flop example so i had to vote. Next is my use of the word ''sacrifice'' Sure, it would seem like I believe he is town but i dont really. Now since a little more people are active, theres slightly more people coming out to defend salmon, I kinda find that suspicious but nvm. I used the word sacrifice because I believe he has taken too much attention so it does not matter if he is scum or not. I believed it would be better to lynch him now than later.--the second reason being im kinda suspicious of lucian. He complains about sheeping but at the same time hes telling others to follow him.Also, if we lynch red salmon, not only will lucian have to look for someone new(which is now me :D) but may have had to defend himself from other people's suspicions--which he is currently not under any, Also, I didnt like his vote on me, it was basically him just saying im suspicious of him that he just left his vote there. Only giving an explanation in later posts. Eh, I know my defense is weak, so if you guys still believe Im scum, go ahead. But do look into these people as well.. -shinichi->I have only playede 1 game with him before but i feel like hes playing a different game this time, he's kinda like me, not really doing much detective work but trying to continue the detective work...Also, his vote beofore on red salmon was also just a sheep. As is his vote on me.but eh. -abuhumaid..seriously...where is this guy?!Is he even trying?As is pyro..like dude, you should be better than this! |
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Gwendolly said: Lmao i forgot the guy was in this game.been a while since we've heared from Sleip too. Dont you find that weird? Well i guess at this rate he'll get replaced. |
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Gwendolly said: Guess we think kinda alike on that matter then.Gwendolly said: I did already have that case where scum sacrifices their own buddy in order to clear themselves for the rest of the game. @Shinichi-Kun That's also one of my reasons why I never read town. Yes even if I did put aa-dono in my good shoes. Okay, Imma continue with page 13 and 14 now. There are no town reads, only people you don't scumread yet. (well okey i do townread from time to time but it's not all that common) |
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AbuHumaid said: Because you're doing oh so much to change that.12 hours till phase change and the votes are scattered everywhere smh |
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lastwhisper31 said: I'm a he.aa-dono said: Yes x) If you are referring to my post that there's a 40% chance that one of these 4 is scum. I made that list as if they were all separate entities and that their flips would say nothing of each other or their possible alignments. and Wen is probably my biggest town lean on the list, I just felt like she was trying way to hard to push on abu because imo, which i stated, I believed that most if not all abu's posts could be seen as nai. Anyways, from my experience from playing with him, when abu annoys the living hell out of me he's scum. And i gotta say, he's doing a pretty good job at that this game. When you don't want to play the game don't sign up... |
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Gwendolly said: Aw, and here we were all starting to respect you. xDwouldnt sacrifice my sleep for a mafia game lol |
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| @SuzakuTsubasa There's a severe lack of Tubacabra this game. Phase change is coming up, i know you recently got swapped in but still, some activity from your side would be nice. |
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Not implying any thing of that sorts, I'm just saying hes beinng lynched cause of his own scuminess. |
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ironace said: Ok..so I'm going to reply to all those guys who mentioned me and will try my best to defend myself in a few hours. But before that.... I read a few posts here and there but... WHO DAFAQ SAID IT WAS MY 5TH GAME?😅 It's my 2nd game. Really i thought ive seen you in more than 2 games |
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Shinichi-Kun said: ironace said: Ok..so I'm going to reply to all those guys who mentioned me and will try my best to defend myself in a few hours. But before that.... I read a few posts here and there but... WHO DAFAQ SAID IT WAS MY 5TH GAME?😅 It's my 2nd game. Really i thought ive seen you in more than 2 games you may have seen me replying to logic's comments. He always invites me but i havent played since pyro's game |
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Red_Salmon said: 4 and a half hours left till phase change. I just finished reading page 14, man was this game active last night. I'll be around till phase change ofc. Shinichi-Kun said: He is like this every game thats the point though when do we perceive it as scum tell, I mean both alignments can lurk. I feel like its getting to the point where hes just using as a way to get attention away from him, since he normally just gets ignored when he lurks. Honestly thought Abu just seems like an easy target for mafia to pick on. On a serious note ISO me if you think I am scum. Seeing as we had decided to focus on a single person at least a few hours before phase change I don't want to spend time looking into you rn (which might end up being a wild goose chase) will look into the ironace train instead. Abu isn't worthit atm imo. Surprised you took so long to reply full well knowing you were such a hot topi, it has me curious. |
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AbuHumaid said: wen294 said: i can't change this alone, everyone has to cooperateBecause you're doing oh so much to change that. we are you aren't lol |
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| is iron in l2 or l1 now? |
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Red_Salmon said: Shinichi-Kun said: Surprised you took so long to reply full well knowing you were such a hot topi, it has me curious. I'm a slow reader man. Took me like 5 hours or smthn to read from where I left off. Woke up like 7 hours ago. EVen so its questionable. |
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Red_Salmon said: Shinichi-Kun said: is iron in l2 or l1 now? No! Not at the moment. We lack three votes right now. ironace (5): LucianRoy, aa-dono, AbuHumaid, Shinichi-Kun, LastWhisper Edit: fixed some formatting add zymf :( |
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Red_Salmon said: ironace said: Ok so guys are mostly triggered over the fact that I seem to be sheeping on D1 but lucian had given a perfect flip flop example so i had to vote. Next is my use of the word ''sacrifice'' Sure, it would seem like I believe he is town but i dont really. Now since a little more people are active, theres slightly more people coming out to defend salmon, I kinda find that suspicious but nvm. I used the word sacrifice because I believe he has taken too much attention so it does not matter if he is scum or not. I believed it would be better to lynch him now than later.--the second reason being im kinda suspicious of lucian. He complains about sheeping but at the same time hes telling others to follow him.Also, if we lynch red salmon, not only will lucian have to look for someone new(which is now me :D) but may have had to defend himself from other people's suspicions--which he is currently not under any, Also, I didnt like his vote on me, it was basically him just saying im suspicious of him that he just left his vote there. Only giving an explanation in later posts. Eh, I know my defense is weak, so if you guys still believe Im scum, go ahead. But do look into these people as well.. -shinichi->I have only playede 1 game with him before but i feel like hes playing a different game this time, he's kinda like me, not really doing much detective work but trying to continue the detective work...Also, his vote beofore on red salmon was also just a sheep. As is his vote on me.but eh. -abuhumaid..seriously...where is this guy?!Is he even trying?As is pyro..like dude, you should be better than this! I understand the suspicion on Lucian part but the former's a pretty weird excuse to lynch me mate >.> I mean shouldn't it matter to you if I'm scum or not? If you're town you should use your votes wisely. Do you have any other reads? At the time i voted for you, you were quite the hot topic, it was starting to get annoying that there was no other proper read. but later on your suspicions were dulled down due to what i said lol(it came back to bite me XD) |
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AbuHumaid said: wen294 said: i can't change this alone, everyone has to cooperateBecause you're doing oh so much to change that. but the fact is, you arent as cooperative. Hell even i tried(though that came back to bite me) but atleast try man. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: is iron in l2 or l1 now? L2 |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Red_Salmon said: With AbuHumaid not being a lynch-target for me, I'll be looking into Shinichi now. He is like this every game thats the point though when do we perceive it as scum tell, I mean both alignments can lurk. I feel like its getting to the point where hes just using as a way to get attention away from him, since he normally just gets ignored when he lurks. Honestly thought Abu just seems like an easy target for mafia to pick on. On a serious note ISO me if you think I am scum. I cant help but think you are defending his playstyle which is not really appreciated in a forum game. Ones gotta be cooperative man. This and your other posts are giving me scum vibes lol. |
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Red_Salmon said: I don't think zymf has voted for you. Refer to #704 Also, I'm still expecting at least one more defense post from you. he has..at the end. He also said how hypocritical that was of him etc.. And what do you want me to defend? Explain your worries and Ill try to clear myself. EDIT__ refering to post 802 |
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| Also what does the name refer to.. DISCARDED GISKARD? |
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Red_Salmon said: ironace said: he has..at the end. He also said how hypocritical that was of him etc.. And what do you want me to defend? Explain your worries and Ill try to clear myself. EDIT__ refering to post 802 I'm getting weird vibes from you being so calm at being lynched. Either you're scum and are trying to play the part of a confident town or just a weird townie. The first game i played i was quite frustrated with all them accusations coming at me but now I know it just cant be helped. Any action i make can be held against me so no use stressing over it. |
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| @red_salmon, also, you didnt ask me any questions... |
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| We need just 2 more at this point, honestly is it really that hard for us to lock a vote 10 hours before phase change lol. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: We need just 2 more at this point, honestly is it really that hard for us to lock a vote 10 hours before phase change lol. Yes. Yes it is. |
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Red_Salmon said: Can you elaborate on your point about Lucian? Why do you suspect him? Also I just noticed Zymf's post was on this page >.> I was checking the last 5 pages or smthn. So it's currently at L2 ironace (6): LucianRoy, aa-dono, AbuHumaid, Shinichi-Kun, LastWhisper, Zymf Edit: made train bold He complains about people sheeping but later on he tells others to sheep. And the fact that he was too vocal was quite apparent and i touched upon it, and he isnt posting as much as before(maybe he is busy with real life?) Also, he didnt explain his reasoning for voting for me untill he was asked to explain it. But he(like others) always wants others to explain why they voted for a person. So why didnt he do what he wants others to do unless he has some reservations about his reasoning.The time he voted for me, the vote just felt like it was due to me being suspicious of him for being to vocal and diverting the town's attention to a single place. |
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wen294 said: No lynch 2 days in a row will just plain kill town. A bit of a sheep but Vote: Ironace L-1 @ironace claim before it's too late. (it probably already is since i doubt we'd be able to sway votes to get a lynch on someone else.) How to claim, its a closed setup so no one knows whos who right? Not that your vote will help town anyway :p |
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ironace said: Is that a reason not to claim?wen294 said: No lynch 2 days in a row will just plain kill town. A bit of a sheep but Vote: Ironace L-1 @ironace claim before it's too late. (it probably already is since i doubt we'd be able to sway votes to get a lynch on someone else.) How to claim, its a closed setup so no one knows whos who right? Not that your vote will help town anyway :p Spoiler, it isn't |
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| Is that so, then im a robot whos name is Robby? No special abilities? Believe me? |
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wen294 said: @SuzakuTsubasa There's a severe lack of Tubacabra this game. Phase change is coming up, i know you recently got swapped in but still, some activity from your side would be nice. I don't think I'm less active than usual (or more like "than last game") but it's true that I haven't said much. This feels like another day 1 and I'm lacking in things to say. From what I've understand, Salmon and Iron are new players (well, I already knew about Iron), that doesn't give them free passes, but it can explain a bit of confusion or a mistakes in wording. I can see the reasons they're the leading trains though. I have trouble seeing scum in Salmon's posts, apart from the post that made him the main train. Iron's behaviour seems similar to the last game to me, but his defense feels different somehow, he says he knows it can't be helped, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't try to prove himself. Then there's Abu, pointing things but never doing anything. Now asking for a sheep. He feels similar to last game, and he flipped scum. Out of those 3 he would be the one I would lynch, as he's not bringing anything except a sheep vote. But we can't have a second day without a lynch, my vote on albertino won't do anything and shouldn't anyway, since he said he can't continue the game he'll be either replaced or modkilled so that would be a waste. There's like an hour and a half left so I'll follow the vote on Iron, just giving him a bit of time if he wants to argue a bit more. ironace said: Red_Salmon said: I'm getting weird vibes from you being so calm at being lynched. Either you're scum and are trying to play the part of a confident town or just a weird townie. The first game i played i was quite frustrated with all them accusations coming at me but now I know it just cant be helped. Any action i make can be held against me so no use stressing over it. That part of mafia can be frustrating, it's true. But you're going to get lynched, so we can't really hold more against you. If you have anything to say, even baseless thought, even gut feeling, you can say it all. If you flip town, maybe you saw something others didn't. AbuHumaid said: LucianRoy said: it doesn't have to be him, just someone we all agree should be lynched. And everyone here have different opinions, people should drop their ego and sheep other votes that's the only way we could lynch someone, there's no way for 8 people to have the same opinion unless it's sheeping@ Abu, why should we consolidate town votes on the Salmon train? So you come in, ask who we should sheep, follow it and then that's all? Let's leave the sheeping aside. If you had to say the one you would most want to lynch, who would it be? |
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| @suzakutsubasa refer to post 806..all i could do here... |
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ironace said: Is that so, then im a robot whos name is Robby? No special abilities? Believe me? It's basic so alot of claims will be vanilla ironace said: Red_Salmon said: Can you elaborate on your point about Lucian? Why do you suspect him? Also I just noticed Zymf's post was on this page >.> I was checking the last 5 pages or smthn. So it's currently at L2 ironace (6): LucianRoy, aa-dono, AbuHumaid, Shinichi-Kun, LastWhisper, Zymf Edit: made train bold He complains about people sheeping but later on he tells others to sheep. And the fact that he was too vocal was quite apparent and i touched upon it, and he isnt posting as much as before(maybe he is busy with real life?) Also, he didnt explain his reasoning for voting for me untill he was asked to explain it. But he(like others) always wants others to explain why they voted for a person. So why didnt he do what he wants others to do unless he has some reservations about his reasoning.The time he voted for me, the vote just felt like it was due to me being suspicious of him for being to vocal and diverting the town's attention to a single place. Who you refe4ing to here abu? |
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Red_Salmon said: I still can't seem to see iron as mafia right now. Sure his initial vote on me was scummy but idk about these ones now. Seeing as you two are online @Shinichi-Kun @wen294 can you explain your reasoning for your vote on iron again? So your ok with another no lynch? |
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