SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jackrito said: I may as well update this while I go. For people who hate long posts I will spoiler that the short version is my reads currently are strong Scum: Shinchi,Soren,Dono,Bee-boy, slight scum: Sightless, Togs ( He could go in strong but I just find his style scummy so trying not to be biased.) Neu (Shuuka,Bioshade,Lucian,Followwind) Strong town SoulEaterQueen,Crossbell, Ari, If people want me to explain any of these reads please ask. Your reply on Soren: I was ready to see a vote change on Soren. I don't understand why he did not switch his vote to you if he made hints on suspecting you when his idea of the policy day 1 lynch was deemed lousy by the mass. I feel as though Bee-Boy is sheeping Soren's reasoning for suspecting you. I also feel as though Bee-Boy is behaving more passively which raises alarms a little bit. I disagree with your read on Togs, he comes off similarly in the Tsundere Madness game with his "tunnelling" but he is actually showing analysis to the game which to me seems hard to fabricate. Though his defense on Shinichi-kun brings an interesting point... Also from this list, can I ask who do you WANT to see to go into twilight phase the most? I think I'm been biased on Togs willing to admit this, which is why not confident on it as much as others. I think they is a playstyle clash here I nearly mislynched him in the Tsundere game for similar stuff on defending people and his actions. On people I want in Twlight I would like 2 of Soren, Bee-boy, Shinchi, Dono, maybe Followind as well since they seem really off to me but not played with them a lot. Out of them though, I would Like Soren and one of Shinchi or Dono not sure which at the moment favouring Dono a bit though but both have not been great. I want to see how Bee-boy carries on since not used to his meta at all so would not like to risk it this early. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: @bioshade2 I know you're a newbie, but why are being reluctant to place down your vote on anyone yet? Hesitant because I don't really have any solid reads on most of the people here, and the ones I think I have a bit if I vote it would either break the double or add a third, think it would be more safe to place my vote in the Twilight. |
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followind said: Jackrito said: I'm saying that he mentioned that he role hinted so I was browsing the page and couldn't find it..I don't think it is a good idea to search for the hints or even admit they was some now scum will look for them and kill if he is telling the truth. I find it a bit scummy how you want such info so early and it handed to you. So.. I'm just wondering if he did role hint or not What I wanted to know is where or did he role hinted and not what he role hinted I think I misunderstood your answer.. Will keep that in my mind so I can improve more |
Bee-Boy said: My current thoughts. {Togs, SoulEaterQUEEN, Arrisu} {Crossbell, LucianRoy} {Soren, SightlessReality, followind} {aa-dono, Shuuka} {Jackrito, Shinichi-kun} I am sure you guys can figure out what this means. Why in the hell would i defend jack if he was my scum partner lol that makes no sense if anything i would try to have a normal interaction with him. |
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Bee-Boy said: My current thoughts. {Togs, SoulEaterQUEEN, Arrisu} {Crossbell, LucianRoy} {Soren, SightlessReality, followind} {aa-dono, Shuuka} {Jackrito, Shinichi-kun} I am sure you guys can figure out what this means. I want real reasons on why you think I am scum. I would say I have done scumhunting now and gave reasons in detail so you can't use that old excuse. |
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Jackrito said: Bee-Boy said: My current thoughts. {Togs, SoulEaterQUEEN, Arrisu} {Crossbell, LucianRoy} {Soren, SightlessReality, followind} {aa-dono, Shuuka} {Jackrito, Shinichi-kun} I am sure you guys can figure out what this means. I want real reasons on why you think I am scum. I would say I have done scumhunting now and gave reasons in detail so you can't use that old excuse. I would prefer it too if youa ctualyl gave reasons for your reads. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Bee-Boy said: My current thoughts. {Togs, SoulEaterQUEEN, Arrisu} {Crossbell, LucianRoy} {Soren, SightlessReality, followind} {aa-dono, Shuuka} {Jackrito, Shinichi-kun} I am sure you guys can figure out what this means. Why in the hell would i defend jack if he was my scum partner lol that makes no sense if anything i would try to have a normal interaction with him. His whole basis is on me been bad so strange how he thinks Shuuka is scum as well. Maybe he feels potential mafia teammates would me dead on day one not sure. I think in your case though it is one or the other of us is bad not both of us. |
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Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: Why in the hell would i defend jack if he was my scum partner lol that makes no sense if anything i would try to have a normal interaction with him. His whole basis is on me been bad so strange how he thinks Shuuka is scum as well. Maybe he feels potential mafia teammates would me dead on day one not sure. I think in your case though it is one or the other of us is bad not both of us. Idk his read's give me a weird perspective on everything cause not sure how in the world he has even a slight read on shuuka's alignment or how he think's we are both scum together. Not sure how with like 1 post from lucian he reads him as town, but with the few posts followind has posted he gets a neutral read. |
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| I am not going to scum hunt using associatives without actually knowing if the anyone has flipped scum. Also busing is a terrible strategy and I don't see it outside anyone to not bus. The fact that busing is such a common strategy makes defending your buddy even a better idea. |
| Has Shuuka even posted this game? Like I skimmed all the pages and can't recall anything she has done. |
| Sorry, I had to catch up but @aa-dono & @Shinichi-kun if you have any questions, go ahead. Also when does this phase end? |
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Bee-Boy said: Has Shuuka even posted this game? Like I skimmed all the pages and can't recall anything she has done. She voted lol :P |
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| We have only 2ish hours so it is time to put our heads together to see we are choosing to send into the twilight phase. I will start by doing this: I'm only going to give two of my strongest town reads this phase because these are the people I do NOT want to see going into the Twilight Phase at all and they are Crossbell and Jackrito. Normally I hate throwing out my reads so freely because this just gives scum ideas for who to target in the night phase but given how the game is set up there's not point holding back. Jackrito originally had a slight town read but he put out his thoughts in #451, I feel synergy in his thinking and his reads are transparent as clear as day when I read this so I am inclined to think they are not fabricated. I have some disagreement with one of his slight scum reads as I already mentioned, but I still understand where his thinking is being spawned from and think part of it could be just a biased view on "tunnelling". My 2nd stronger town read is on Crossbell. It is difficult to pin point exact posts that give me the stronger town read. I think it is mainly his approach to the game being quite consistent with his day 1 "town-hunting", also his hesitation on committing to reads shows an uncertainty townie's mind frame which I am liking a lot. I also like how he is keeping up with the current events on the game, and makes comment on them which shows that he is interested in what happens this day phase, again gives me town vibes since scum don't care as much as long as it is not them or their buddies in danger. He is also interested in town unification 484 which shows another townie characteristic. My next phase is to take consideration in the leading trains right now, aa-dono and Shinichi-kun, I will start by going through Shinichi's read list to see what he has produced from it. |
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| We have roughly 2 stundens left. |
| I can't help but feel as though Dono is only worried about being lynched this whole time the pressure went on. All she has been is defensive & trying to turn back and pin me out as scum for it. Quite frankly, I find it funny when people try to pin me out as mafia for actively trying to pressure other players. This is definitely my regular town play, and the only reason I can see that Dono & Shinichi are scum reading me is because they don't want to see Dono lynched. All the reasoning dono & Shinichi have given thus far are all far-fetched. It's like an intensified OMGUS vote she gave me there. |
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Bee-Boy said: I am not going to scum hunt using associatives without actually knowing if the anyone has flipped scum. Also busing is a terrible strategy and I don't see it outside anyone to not bus. The fact that busing is such a common strategy makes defending your buddy even a better idea. I will tell you now I hate people defending me and I hate defending others. Bussing in my view is needed to protect yourself mafia is a long game not a short one. If you are not willing to bus a teammate you will never win because you will go down with them. If I know I'm done I will tell my team to vote me for thier own future. I also think when voting and making a scum list you should play some small form of association the mafia are the only people who know each other, so are likely to slip and interact in a way townies would not. |
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Crossbell said: I wanted to do something else other than a rvs vote. Never really intended for this policy lynch to go through nor did I think it would which is why I never pushed it, as it was just a placeholder for a rvs vote. If a train did form I would start questioning it and see where to go from there.Soren said: Was this serious? I assume that this was used to garner reactions.Until we find a good lynch candidate I propose that we policy lynch SightlessReality. He does the same thing every game and every phase where he votes himself and refuses to actively scum hunt. Bonus, he wants to get lynched anyways. Vote: SightlessReality Soren: Was this a reaction test? If so, what reactions/insights did you get from posting this? |
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Arrisu said: Sorry, I had to catch up but @aa-dono & @Shinichi-kun if you have any questions, go ahead. Also when does this phase end? 2 hours i think |
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Arrisu said: I can't help but feel as though Dono is only worried about being lynched this whole time the pressure went on. All she has been is defensive & trying to turn back and pin me out as scum for it. Quite frankly, I find it funny when people try to pin me out as mafia for actively trying to pressure other players. This is definitely my regular town play, and the only reason I can see that Dono & Shinichi are scum reading me is because they don't want to see Dono lynched. All the reasoning dono & Shinichi have given thus far are all far-fetched. It's like an intensified OMGUS vote she gave me there. Are you implying im white knighting to save dono because i wouldn't do that and she also knows i wouldn't lol. Not really fat fetched cause i pointed out changes in your playstyle. |
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PentaFlare said: Vote Count 1.5: aa-dono (3): Arrisu, Crossbell, Togs Shinichi-kun (3): Jackrito, SoulEaterQUEEN, LucianRoy Arrisu (2): Shinichi-kun, aa-dono Jackrito (2): Bee-Boy, Shuuka SightlessReality (2): Soren, SightlessReality Players not voting: (followind, bioshade2) This above are my rough reads based on D1 activities. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Arrisu said: I can't help but feel as though Dono is only worried about being lynched this whole time the pressure went on. All she has been is defensive & trying to turn back and pin me out as scum for it. Quite frankly, I find it funny when people try to pin me out as mafia for actively trying to pressure other players. This is definitely my regular town play, and the only reason I can see that Dono & Shinichi are scum reading me is because they don't want to see Dono lynched. All the reasoning dono & Shinichi have given thus far are all far-fetched. It's like an intensified OMGUS vote she gave me there. Are you implying im white knighting to save dono because i wouldn't do that and she also knows i wouldn't lol. Not really fat fetched cause i pointed out changes in your playstyle. Why not you white knight everyone else. |
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Soren said: Crossbell said: I wanted to do something else other than a rvs vote. Never really intended for this policy lynch to go through nor did I think it would which is why I never pushed it, as it was just a placeholder for a rvs vote. If a train did form I would start questioning it and see where to go from there.Was this serious? I assume that this was used to garner reactions. Soren: Was this a reaction test? If so, what reactions/insights did you get from posting this? I actually like this reasoning tho too bad your trap didn't really give you any info, but at the same time this could just be a great defense to get some people to look away from you. |
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How do u read shuuka as scum lol if anything everyones read on her should be neutral cause she's done nothing significant to say other wise |
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Soren said: Crossbell said: I wanted to do something else other than a rvs vote. Never really intended for this policy lynch to go through nor did I think it would which is why I never pushed it, as it was just a placeholder for a rvs vote. If a train did form I would start questioning it and see where to go from there.Was this serious? I assume that this was used to garner reactions. Soren: Was this a reaction test? If so, what reactions/insights did you get from posting this? one that lasted 22 hours. That is a bit more then a RVS vote I know mine has stuck as well, but that is more because the one it was on became scummy over time so no need to change. |
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Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: Are you implying im white knighting to save dono because i wouldn't do that and she also knows i wouldn't lol. Not really fat fetched cause i pointed out changes in your playstyle. Why not you white knight everyone else. I think your idea of white knightning and mine are totally different, jsut cause i protect alot of people doesn't mean im white knighting them i just see both the faults and positives of people. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Arrisu said: I can't help but feel as though Dono is only worried about being lynched this whole time the pressure went on. All she has been is defensive & trying to turn back and pin me out as scum for it. Quite frankly, I find it funny when people try to pin me out as mafia for actively trying to pressure other players. This is definitely my regular town play, and the only reason I can see that Dono & Shinichi are scum reading me is because they don't want to see Dono lynched. All the reasoning dono & Shinichi have given thus far are all far-fetched. It's like an intensified OMGUS vote she gave me there. Are you implying im white knighting to save dono because i wouldn't do that and she also knows i wouldn't lol. Not really fat fetched cause i pointed out changes in your playstyle. You like white-knighting in general. So yes, you do have a habit of defending others. But that is besides the point. What changes have I exhibited this game that was different from usual? There is literally nothing for you to point out. |
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| So are we going with aa-dono and Shinichi-kun? I don't like this strategy as we are forced to assume both of our scum reads will cooperate with us.... |
| Like this only works if aa-donho and Shinichi-kun vote each other. |
Jackrito said: Soren said: I wanted to do something else other than a rvs vote. Never really intended for this policy lynch to go through nor did I think it would which is why I never pushed it, as it was just a placeholder for a rvs vote. If a train did form I would start questioning it and see where to go from there. one that lasted 22 hours. That is a bit more then a RVS vote I know mine has stuck as well, but that is more because the one it was on became scummy over time so no need to change. Didn't look at it like that welp that is true. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Soren said: I wanted to do something else other than a rvs vote. Never really intended for this policy lynch to go through nor did I think it would which is why I never pushed it, as it was just a placeholder for a rvs vote. If a train did form I would start questioning it and see where to go from there. I actually like this reasoning tho too bad your trap didn't really give you any info, but at the same time this could just be a great defense to get some people to look away from you. That is not a great reason if the trap is not working, you change up the bait to someone who is a easy target like I do to you and Penta for example and Kasai when he plays. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: How do u read shuuka as scum lol if anything everyones read on her should be neutral cause she's done nothing significant to say other wise Her vote on Jack was not only insignificant, it was only adding to the biggest train. She could easily use that to add power to a town lynch as scum. So of course she would choose to join such a large train. |
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Bee-Boy said: Like this only works if aa-donho and Shinichi-kun vote each other. Woudln't vote a neutral read Bee-Boy said: So are we going with aa-dono and Shinichi-kun? I don't like this strategy as we are forced to assume both of our scum reads will cooperate with us.... Not sure if I will, because already don't like the fact that yet again im top lynch target espically since alot of the reasoning from experience players is pretty much meta reads >3>. |
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Arrisu said: Shinichi-Kun said: How do u read shuuka as scum lol if anything everyones read on her should be neutral cause she's done nothing significant to say other wise Her vote on Jack was not only insignificant, it was only adding to the biggest train. She could easily use that to add power to a town lynch as scum. So of course she would choose to join such a large train. Your not gonna take into account this is her first game tho? Cause from how she implied her vote it seem's she did it without reading the thread. So I dont think she knew jack train was that big. |
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False. Since I was a "neutral read" at first yet you voted for me nonetheless. I only became scummy to you later on, after your vote. :) |
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Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: I actually like this reasoning tho too bad your trap didn't really give you any info, but at the same time this could just be a great defense to get some people to look away from you. That is not a great reason if the trap is not working, you change up the bait to someone who is a easy target like I do to you and Penta for example and Kasai when he plays. Ya but soren always posts then vanishes, can we really use that has a way to say he's scum? |
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| So the things I dislike from Lucian's catchup are: - The Soren pressure. Lucian is taking it at face value and posted a lot of general mafia theory information as to why policy lynching is a bad idea. It feels like a weak way to mudsling on Soren. The focus on Soren then shifting to Shinichi is also questionable. - The vote on Shinichi. I still think that Shinichi is town and is probably low-hanging fruit for the scum to grab on to, and my gut is telling me that Lucian is one of them. I'll wait and check to see if Lucian finishes his catchup, though. -- Another thing that struck me as scummy from aa-dono is she isn't caring about her questions. Here are two questions she asked on page 5: SoulEaterQUEEN said: aa-dono said: Hehe. I love aggressive Soul-nee ^^ Anyway, I think that is very common. At least in the games I've played. Why do you think it's unusual? Do you think most people have other reasons when they sheep? I thought it be more unusual because of people's paranoia play, I would expect people being afraid to commit to a read and trusting someone else's read. I feel as though when sheeping is happening not much thought goes in, and people will sheep because they say "I just want a lynch to happen", if you have time to think about your reads and sheeping someone based on the people or person leading the votes, then why not just spend time on your own reads on the lynch candidates instead? aa-dono said: Crossbell said: Double lynching every single Day gives us control over four lynches while the scum only have one, right? I think we can use our respective scumhunting powers to at least bury one, maybe more. My top priority is to actually get one scum lynched, as snagging at least one will lighten the noose around our neck. If the both lynches turns out to be town, it would backfire. Plus, what kind of info can be gained from double lynch? It's almost like not making a decision. I ended up not answering that question to see if she would follow up on it (ie, if she would remember it and call me out on not answering her question) These are all questions she asked on page 5. From looking over her posts over the night, it seems like she isn't following up on her questions. She's asking a lot of questions to put on the appearance of a scumhunting townie, but isn't actually caring about the answers. Which is why I have a scumread on her. |
Shinichi-Kun said: Arrisu said: Her vote on Jack was not only insignificant, it was only adding to the biggest train. She could easily use that to add power to a town lynch as scum. So of course she would choose to join such a large train. Your not gonna take into account this is her first game tho? Cause from how she implied her vote it seem's she did it without reading the thread. So I dont think she knew jack train was that big. White knighting again. So if you flip scum. I'll go ahead and assume that Shuushuu & dono are mafia. |
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Arrisu said: False. Since I was a "neutral read" at first yet you voted for me nonetheless. I only became scummy to you later on, after your vote. :) Technically I had reasons to think you were scummy I just hadn't had the chance to put them into words :D. While my vote was on you I was alredy planning to build a case on you, was just late at night so I waited till the morning. |
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Arrisu said: Shinichi-Kun said: Your not gonna take into account this is her first game tho? Cause from how she implied her vote it seem's she did it without reading the thread. So I dont think she knew jack train was that big. White knighting again. So if you flip scum. I'll go ahead and assume that Shuushuu & dono are mafia. The thing is i'm not gonna flip scum smh, also I white knighted jack too so why are you not holding him into account? |
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| Anyways I want to see dono get lynched. @Shinichi-kun she posted a lot, how come you still have a neutral read on her? Do you rather get her lynched over yourself? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Jackrito said: That is not a great reason if the trap is not working, you change up the bait to someone who is a easy target like I do to you and Penta for example and Kasai when he plays. Ya but soren always posts then vanishes, can we really use that has a way to say he's scum? He was there for a while in his fake questioning of me where he would of changed if he had any conviction, and also 2 hours later for the twlight debate that was 2 decent chances to change it up. I see this Sightless vote as just something safe to not draw attention. Strange how much you are defending it though. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Arrisu said: White knighting again. So if you flip scum. I'll go ahead and assume that Shuushuu & dono are mafia. The thing is i'm not gonna flip scum smh, also I white knighted jack too so why are you not holding him into account? Don't worry. He is. |
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| Can someone corroborate what I said above? Even though I said that I'm still second guessing myself over if she's just a bad townie or is actually scum. |
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Crossbell said: Can someone corroborate what I said above? Even though I said that I'm still second guessing myself over if she's just a bad townie or is actually scum. You mean dono? Yes. Everything you said is super accurate. Hence why I town read you, yet again our reads & opinions share many similarities. |
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SightlessReality said: -quietly observes- LOL provide input cause seeing this isn't doing anything for the slight town read im giving you. |
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Arrisu said: Like, is she more likely do this "not caring about the questions" thing as town or scum? I don't have meta to back this up.Crossbell said: Can someone corroborate what I said above? Even though I said that I'm still second guessing myself over if she's just a bad townie or is actually scum. You mean dono? Yes. Everything you said is super accurate. Hence why I town read you, yet again our reads & opinions share many similarities. |
Crossbell said: Can someone corroborate what I said above? Even though I said that I'm still second guessing myself over if she's just a bad townie or is actually scum. That is the hard line to tell really I have the same problem with Shinchi at the moment and considering changeing. I do like your point on them not following up on questions ,and more doing them to look good. Like I said eariler to Queen I feel more confident in lynching them then Shinchi at the moment. I still want Soren up as well. |
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Arrisu said: Anyways I want to see dono get lynched. @Shinichi-kun she posted a lot, how come you still have a neutral read on her? Do you rather get her lynched over yourself? Since I have a neutral read on her and I know myself is town aligned i rather not see either of us put up. Cause most of her responses are just question's can't really get an accurate read off of that. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SightlessReality said: -quietly observes- LOL provide input cause seeing this isn't doing anything for the slight town read im giving you. That's fine. |
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