IMA-sama said: Their only option to gain freedom is to fight for it and that why they elected Hamas, and if there were another election they will be elected again, because every single one of the people who lost someone in the last attack on Gaza will be with Hamas to take their revenge. This is a hatred that runs 60 years. Although I think Hamas made some wrong decisions, this is my personal view and doesn’t change the fact that they are the last ray of hope to the Palestinians. Indeed it is. This is what many people don't understand, especially those who are not familiar with the Israel/ Palestinian conflict. They've tried 'peaceful negotiations' without success, and now they're looking for another option. You may call it a violent resort but you can hardly blame them for trying something. The world has 'lost' another generation of Palestinians to violence; those very children who never had the searing hate for Israelis the way their parents/ grandparents did, will now want revenge. Some would say these orphaned youth are perfect 'bait' for Hamas to continue the resistance fighting, but I'd hardly put it that way. Having seen the massacre with their own eyes, they don't need Hamas' coercing to want to fight Israel. Israelis accuse Hamas of grooming children to fight. It is but Israel that's creating a new generation of resistance fighters, and they have none to blame but themselves for the insecurity they feel today and will continue to feel for the rest of their lives unless they change their policies right now. |
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| I agree with both of you. I also like to add that Hamas is desperate. Anyone who lives in the West Bank or Gaza district becomes desperate. When a country occupies yours with the aim of establishing a Jewish country when that country's religion STATES that the Jews shall never inhabit any place and force you to talk Hebrew when you're an Arab, what would you do? What people don't understand specially people in the west that the conflict is connected to our religion. To them, becoming an Israeli citizen and living in one of the Israeli cities which are being compared to beverly hills and other posh cities in the U.S. shouldn't be a problem. |
Rebella said: What people don't understand specially people in the west that the conflict is connected to our religion. To them, becoming an Israeli citizen and living in one of the Israeli cities which are being compared to beverly hills and other posh cities in the U.S. shouldn't be a problem. So because I live in the U.S I shouldn't care at all whatsoever about the woes of the Palestinian people? If I do then I'm "just another dumb American," but if I do try to be sympathetic, then I don't understand, because I'm not Muslim, or Middle Eastern. |
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What she is saying is people in the west should care...people in east should care...evreybody in the world should care. this is last occupied land in the world...this conflict is the base of terorists hatred to the west That's the way it should be, but apparantly some people aren't smart enough to use common sense ='[ |
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| How could the DEMOCRATICALLY elected Hamas be considered terrorists? Is it right to call a GOVERNMENT terrorist organization ? I don't know whether I should support Hamas' decisions or not , as IMA-sama said , we don't live there to judge ... But we should take in consideration that even the Arabic media is not trusted in reporting their news .. In Egypt for example the media is leaning more against Hamas , because they are part of "A-e7'wan Al-Muslmin" who are really hated by the Egyptian government , so corrupting their reputation is a target for the governmental media .. |
MaxTehNoob said: Rebella said: What people don't understand specially people in the west that the conflict is connected to our religion. To them, becoming an Israeli citizen and living in one of the Israeli cities which are being compared to beverly hills and other posh cities in the U.S. shouldn't be a problem. So because I live in the U.S I shouldn't care at all whatsoever about the woes of the Palestinian people? If I do then I'm "just another dumb American," but if I do try to be sympathetic, then I don't understand, because I'm not Muslim, or Middle Eastern. I highly recommend that you watch the movie Kingdom of Heaven. It shows the western world's opinion on the Israeli and Palestinien conflict in a very honest way. To make it short, it made it seem as people in Jerusalam are fighting over a rock which is believed to be "holy" but if that rock wasn't holy, would all that fighting and killing be worth it? This is how the west looks at the conflict. To them, we're clinging to Jerusalam and fighting for a "myth" Our religion is not a myth. The fact that two religions came before Islam with the same messege but major alterations tell other wise. |
Rebella said: Our religion is not a myth. The fact that two religions came before Islam with the same messege but major alterations tell other wise. What I don't get more than them thinking we're fighting over religious reasons, is- what of the atheists and agnostics who don't believe in religion (i.e, they think the Bible is fake, Christianity is irrational etc), yet fully support Israel's 'right to exist'? They're all aware Israelis claim to be 'God's Chosen People', who have been promised the lands that "extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the Euphrates River to the Mediterranean Sea". If I were agnostic or atheist, I'd find it rubbish to think you had the right to thwart the rights of others and cause them suffering, and pointing to a 'fake' prophecy for justification. How can one not believe in God or organized religion, yet believe some people are 'chosen'? It's beyond me. They ought to be a little more consistent in their thinking. I highly doubt Muslims would have gotten away with that logic if the Quran 'promised' them some land. *shakes head* |
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| That's not true. Judaism is just a pretext, Zionists are originally atheists. And there are many Jewish groups who don't consider Israel as the "Promised Land". |
Akinori said: That's not true. Judaism is just a pretext, Zionists are originally atheists. And there are many Jewish groups who don't consider Israel as the "Promised Land". Be that as it may, Judaism is used an excuse to invade Palestine by these Zionists. We all know they're not really religious- not even close. |
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Rebella said: MaxTehNoob said: Rebella said: What people don't understand specially people in the west that the conflict is connected to our religion. To them, becoming an Israeli citizen and living in one of the Israeli cities which are being compared to beverly hills and other posh cities in the U.S. shouldn't be a problem. So because I live in the U.S I shouldn't care at all whatsoever about the woes of the Palestinian people? If I do then I'm "just another dumb American," but if I do try to be sympathetic, then I don't understand, because I'm not Muslim, or Middle Eastern. I highly recommend that you watch the movie Kingdom of Heaven. It shows the western world's opinion on the Israeli and Palestinien conflict in a very honest way. To make it short, it made it seem as people in Jerusalam are fighting over a rock which is believed to be "holy" but if that rock wasn't holy, would all that fighting and killing be worth it? This is how the west looks at the conflict. To them, we're clinging to Jerusalam and fighting for a "myth" Our religion is not a myth. The fact that two religions came before Islam with the same messege but major alterations tell other wise. Isn't Kingdom of Heavan about the crusades? |
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MaxTehNoob said: Rebella said: MaxTehNoob said: Rebella said: What people don't understand specially people in the west that the conflict is connected to our religion. To them, becoming an Israeli citizen and living in one of the Israeli cities which are being compared to beverly hills and other posh cities in the U.S. shouldn't be a problem. So because I live in the U.S I shouldn't care at all whatsoever about the woes of the Palestinian people? If I do then I'm "just another dumb American," but if I do try to be sympathetic, then I don't understand, because I'm not Muslim, or Middle Eastern. I highly recommend that you watch the movie Kingdom of Heaven. It shows the western world's opinion on the Israeli and Palestinien conflict in a very honest way. To make it short, it made it seem as people in Jerusalam are fighting over a rock which is believed to be "holy" but if that rock wasn't holy, would all that fighting and killing be worth it? This is how the west looks at the conflict. To them, we're clinging to Jerusalam and fighting for a "myth" Our religion is not a myth. The fact that two religions came before Islam with the same messege but major alterations tell other wise. Isn't Kingdom of Heavan about the crusades? Do watch it. Trust me, it tells how peple in the west looks at our issue. Would you mind telling me your age? |
| No I don't mind, I'm 16.. And I have seen Kingdom Of Heaven. By saying that I'll understand how the west looks at your issue. Your talking about how Christians and Muslims have vied for Jerusalem for centuries? Yes I think it's ridiculous how many lives have been unnecessarily wasted. And unfortunately I don't seen the West and the East sharing Jerusalem in the near future. |
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MaxTehNoob said: No I don't mind, I'm 16.. And I have seen Kingdom Of Heaven. By saying that I'll understand how the west looks at your issue. Your talking about how Christians and Muslims have vied for Jerusalem for centuries? Yes I think it's ridiculous how many lives have been unnecessarily wasted. And unfortunately I don't seen the West and the East sharing Jerusalem in the near future. This is where we don't agree. In Islam, we don't consider it a waste. Everybody dies after all and dying while defending a country is something very honorable. We believe that once Israel occupies the lands within the Nile river to Euphrates river, judgement day will occur. |
Rebella said: MaxTehNoob said: No I don't mind, I'm 16.. And I have seen Kingdom Of Heaven. By saying that I'll understand how the west looks at your issue. Your talking about how Christians and Muslims have vied for Jerusalem for centuries? Yes I think it's ridiculous how many lives have been unnecessarily wasted. And unfortunately I don't seen the West and the East sharing Jerusalem in the near future. This is where we don't agree. In Islam, we don't consider it a waste. Everybody dies after all and dying while defending a country is something very honorable. We believe that once Israel occupies the lands within the Nile river to Euphrates river, judgement day will occur. http://www.danielpipes.org/247/imperial-israel-the-nile-to-euphrates-calumny |
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MaxTehNoob said: Rebella said: MaxTehNoob said: No I don't mind, I'm 16.. And I have seen Kingdom Of Heaven. By saying that I'll understand how the west looks at your issue. Your talking about how Christians and Muslims have vied for Jerusalem for centuries? Yes I think it's ridiculous how many lives have been unnecessarily wasted. And unfortunately I don't seen the West and the East sharing Jerusalem in the near future. This is where we don't agree. In Islam, we don't consider it a waste. Everybody dies after all and dying while defending a country is something very honorable. We believe that once Israel occupies the lands within the Nile river to Euphrates river, judgement day will occur. http://www.danielpipes.org/247/imperial-israel-the-nile-to-euphrates-calumny http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4301.shtml I'm not sure about the accuracy of the above article, though; we might have to wait and see if it ever comes to fruition. |
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| While I doubt the acuracy of the above article as well. Remember well that every religion has a small minority of extremists (different aspects as well.) |
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