cielleia said: Liinah said: Oh, I see. Thank you both. ^o^ I do think the "new" Glens have the knowledge of the old ones. Maybe the memories are passed with the chains or something. Hm. Well Leo doesn't seem to know as much about the Abyss as the other 'Glen's did, huh? But he can hear the other Glen's voices and aren't they kind of floating around him? And Leo isn't your usual Glen, is he? He didn't contract all five chains - he only got Jabberwock. He also don't have a sibling that is a child of misfortune or are we just missing something? |
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| I was thinking and came across this idea: if Glen (in common) is the reason, why children with red eyes appear, if they are Glen's brothers-sisters, it means that Break is Glen's relative? Maybe we don't know everything about his past? |
Sow said: But he can hear the other Glen's voices and aren't they kind of floating around him? And Leo isn't your usual Glen, is he? He didn't contract all five chains - he only got Jabberwock. He also don't have a sibling that is a child of misfortune or are we just missing something? I think it's really really necessary for the next Glen to undergo a ritual where the previous Glen would transfer the soul/memories/whatever to him. Leo didn't get a ceremony right because the practice disappeared together with Oswald, the last Glen. Oswald didn't even become a chain, so maybe his soul/ghost/memories along with his Jabberwock is transfered to Leo instead? |
Luna_TykkJan 27, 2012 11:58 PM
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| I wonder if the B-Rabbit plushie belonged to Lacie - though it seems too childish to her - and if Alice knows who it really is, or if she just treats it like a normal toy. Plus, she seems to like rabbits since she has another rabbit stuffed toy. And I want to see Alice with Cheshire. ;; |
Liinah said: I wonder if the B-Rabbit plushie belonged to Lacie - though it seems too childish to her - and if Alice knows who it really is, or if she just treats it like a normal toy. Plus, she seems to like rabbits since she has another rabbit stuffed toy. That image of her with the white rabbit plush might be symbolic of her as the Intention since she's wearing a light-colored dress. |
| And let's not forget that Abyss-chan also took the white rabbit form at the beginning of the story. |
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cielleia said: Alice the Intention is the white rabbit... right? Or did I misunderstand? Same ! That'd be so cute with them being all like... "I didn't say that... [she did].." Yes, she is. What I meant was like it'd be fun (more weird, actually) if there were a B-Rabbit in white version. 8D Awwn, it'd be so cute. <33 But Jack once said she'd usually get lost in the conversation, I guess there was a time when Alice couldn't just control her body anymore, like deciding when she wanted to switch places with her sister or not. |
| Guys.. How do you understand the whole situation now? B-rabbit was Lacie's chain, before he belonged to Alice, right? That episode with "blood red rain", when Lacie killed those people, and there were chains (metallic) like chains that B-rabbit uses, and also there were shadow behind Lacie, reminding the silhouette of rabbit. Then it came to Alice. Then 1) Jack killed Alice, took B-rabbit, used his chain (I'd like to know about it more and to see it) to divide B-rabbit into the two parts. He took the first part, Oz, and made a contract. or 2) Jack used his chain to divide B-rabbit into the two parts. He took the first part, Oz, made a contract and only then killed Alice (maybe using Oz) After that.. If there hadn't been B-rabbit before Alice had died we could have said "She turned into the chain!", BUT we know, that there were this chain BEFORE Alice had died. So the second part of B-rabbit... Did it unite somehow with dead Alice (or Alice somehow united with this half of chain), so we get Alice that we know "now" ? Or it just looks like Alice and has some of her memories? |
cielleia said: Well maybe Oz went with Alice back to the surface world after Lacie died to be her friend ? Hey, that's an idea. But let's say that he was already friends with Lacie and Abyss-chan. Both girls loved him but he choosed to stay with Alice in the end. Abyss-chan tried to find an substitute for him and that's why her 'room' looks like a toy shop. And at the beginning of the manga she wanted to kill him for leaving her alone. She hated Alice from taking him from her. |
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Sow said: Hey, that's an idea. But let's say that he was already friends with Lacie and Abyss-chan. Both girls loved him but he choosed to stay with Alice in the end. Abyss-chan tried to find an substitute for him and that's why her 'room' looks like a toy shop. And at the beginning of the manga she wanted to kill him for leaving her alone. She hated Alice from taking him from her. I like this supposition. But there is still open question: why the second part of B-rabbit looks like Alice? Does it just looks like she or it is really Alice who somehow united with the chain? Hope Jun-sama will explain this. |
Miss_Tangerine said: Sow said: Hey, that's an idea. But let's say that he was already friends with Lacie and Abyss-chan. Both girls loved him but he choosed to stay with Alice in the end. Abyss-chan tried to find an substitute for him and that's why her 'room' looks like a toy shop. And at the beginning of the manga she wanted to kill him for leaving her alone. She hated Alice from taking him from her. I like this supposition. But there is still open question: why the second part of B-rabbit looks like Alice? Does it just looks like she or it is really Alice who somehow united with the chain? Hope Jun-sama will explain this. Hmm~ I think that Oz's actual body (B-Rabbit) was given to alice, since the one he's using is apparently not his. |
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cielleia said: I'm not even sure what is called ''Alice'' IS the real Alice. I came to idea.. Let's suppose that one part of B-rabbit just looks like Alice. So, what's happened to real Alice 100 years ago? She was killed.. but did she die? Remember the very first chapters. The first time when Oz found watches. The girl, who throttled him, has DARK hair. And B-rabbit-Alice then didn't remember that event, it wasn't she, who throttled Oz.. and we thought that it was Alyss.. But why her hair was dark? Alyss has light hair and she hadn't reasons to make her hair look like hair of Alice.. Maybe Alice is in the Abyss too? Right now. |
| I began re-reading and just finished ch5. That phrase of Break! He said that Oz has 3 ways. 1) He will fall to he Abyss 2) he will search for the memories and find a way how to save himslef and 3) ! "When you find out what is your fault, I.." Sounds like he knows what's his fault. And now we know that his fault is that he is B-rabbit, so.. Break knew it from the very beginning? Well, he was surprised when they found out that Jack's words were lie, so he can't know the whole story, but maybe he knows more than we think. |
Miss_Tangerine said: I began re-reading and just finished ch5. That phrase of Break! He said that Oz has 3 ways. 1) He will fall to he Abyss 2) he will search for the memories and find a way how to save himslef and 3) ! "When you find out what is your fault, I.." Sounds like he knows what's his fault. And now we know that his fault is that he is B-rabbit, so.. Break knew it from the very beginning? Well, he was surprised when they found out that Jack's words were lie, so he can't know the whole story, but maybe he knows more than we think. I think so..or emily just told him |
TheLandofMyYouth[s said: or emily just told him Emily might be "dark horse".. Maybe she is universal evil in disguise! And let's always remember uncle Oscar.. He is so "pure" character.. He might be psycho. :3 |
| I think so: Break looks more freaky, but actually he's normal (yes, he killed many people in the past, but he's not psycho). Vinsent looks more normal, than Break. We can see his mad side mostly when he's alone.. And most of the society see in Vincent a charming smiling young man. Though he looks more normal, he's more psychotic than Break.. So the more crazy the person looks the more normal it is.. and back to front. So look at uncle Oscar.. He looks absolutely normal! He's positive man, Gil finds him ideal parent.. such a good kind uncle. But following this logic he must be the maddest psycho! |
| That doesn't fit. Oz seems normal and he isn't psycho. (At least Oz not whatever he did) |
| Well.. he's not a psycho, but he is b-rabbit. Maybe uncle Oscar isn't psycho, but he might be not so usual man, I mean this. Ada also looks like pretty girl "with flowers instead of brain" (as Alice said) but remember that chapter when poors Vince said that he wanted to know her more.. That face.. i'll always remember it. xD What a surprise it was, when she showed her secret interests.) |
Miss_Tangerine said: Remember the very first chapters. The first time when Oz found watches. The girl, who throttled him, has DARK hair. And B-rabbit-Alice then didn't remember that event, it wasn't she, who throttled Oz.. and we thought that it was Alyss.. But why her hair was dark? Alyss has light hair and she hadn't reasons to make her hair look like hair of Alice.. Maybe Alice is in the Abyss too? Right now. It can be Alyss. She shares a body with human Alice and Alice has brown hair. It just could be that Alyss was possessing her body that time. So, I have a little theory (?) about Oz's personality. Is based on some thoughts I had after watching the anime Fractale. I'll tell you some things about it, but since it's a major spoiler for the anime, if you're planning to watch then please don't read. ;; It's an amazing anime, I totally recommend it Basing myself on that, I started thinking about Oz.
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| Wow Liinah interesting theory. Can you give me the mal link to Fractale? About the ending...I have one theory that I think might happen and honestly it makes me feel very sick...read at your own risk. |
| "I think it is going to be bittersweet to downer type of ending..." I agree. I think the ending will bring me many tears. And I have no doubt that it will be epic - during the whole manga Jun-sama is keeping high class, and I think she thought up something really great for us. I suppose Jack won't bring Lacie back, or maybe he will, but not for a long time and in the end they both will pass away (maybe in the light Abyss, which existed before Glen's experiment). And I thnik that Oz and Alice-B-rabbit may unite in the single B-rabbit again, maybe it is part of Jack's plan, because why he wanted Alice-B-rabbit to find her memories? Maybe there was some spell, so Lacie's soul could be linked to her chain (B-rabbit) and after 100 hundred years circle it can be brought back when her chain will exist again (if Oz and Alice unite). I'm afraid that Break will die, because from the very beginning he's dying character. He told, that he would live no longer than year, he asked himself, whose time will end faster: his or Oz's, he became blind, so his body is dying slowly.. T_T Twik-chan, about your theory.. "and in the end nothing actually happened." It can be real. It reminds me about Vincent's plan (though Gil tried to knock some sense into Vince's head). So if there hadn't been Vince, nobody would have opened gates into the Abyss, and other events with Glen, Oswald, Jack and Lacie may have been changed. There wouldn't be Tragedy and maybe Glen's experiment would fail and the Abyss (dark) would have never existed. And Break wouldn't get a second chance.. But I'd like to see another ending. Some characters will die ( i think we can't escape from it), the ending will be bitter and tragic, but some of them will be alive and always remember this story and theese people. So it's like.. bittersweet, yeah. |
| I think Break is going to die I don't think there is any chance of avoiding that. Or maybe everyone will forget except the Abyss. For some reason one of the few characters I think might get a better ending is Gil.. |
| Elliot died. Break will propbably die. Vince can die too (because of his plan, for example).. All my favorite characters can die. that's unfair. I think that in the end there will be no Abyss. I mean this dark Abyss. I think it all ends. Maybe everything will disappear, maybe there will be only that heavens-like Abyss. |
Miss_Tangerine said: I think that in the end there will be no Abyss. I mean this dark Abyss. I think it all ends. Maybe everything will disappear, maybe there will be only that heavens-like Abyss. Yes...that is something I believe for the most part, but maybe the bright abyss will still know? I feel the same way about all my favorite characters dying...or at least something.... |
TheLandofMyYouth said: Can you give me the mal link to Fractale? Here's the link. It's an awesome anime, at first may seem a little weird, but it's good and the ending is beautiful. ^o^ Miss_Tangerine said: "I think it is going to be bittersweet to downer type of ending..." I agree. I think the ending will bring me many tears. And I have no doubt that it will be epic - during the whole manga Jun-sama is keeping high class, and I think she thought up something really great for us. I suppose Jack won't bring Lacie back, or maybe he will, but not for a long time and in the end they both will pass away (maybe in the light Abyss, which existed before Glen's experiment). And I thnik that Oz and Alice-B-rabbit may unite in the single B-rabbit again, maybe it is part of Jack's plan, because why he wanted Alice-B-rabbit to find her memories? I stopped thinking about the ending again. I think when Alice died, she still had a soul. The tradegy happened and she went to the abyss. B-Rabbit found her there and decided to give it's body to her, that's why she doesn't "remember" about B-Rabbit's life, about it contracting with Jack and so 'cause B-Rabbit's soul didn't get to her since she already had one. The soul happened to be just like the core of the abyss, it found a vessel which was human baby-Oz - I presume Zai had thrown him in the abyss for whatever reason -. B-Rabbit Oz got out of the abyss first, without aging. So he was created as a human kid while Alice only got out 100 years ago after contracting with Oz who was thrown once again in the abyss. If this turns out to be true, then I believe Oz will merge with Alice and then disappear, because he won't have a soul anymore. But Alice won't be "Alice" anymore, 'cause she will gain B-Rabbit's memories as well. And I really want Jack to at least find Lacie again, just to hug her and say goodbye. They deserve it. ;; Now that you're guys are talking about Break. I wonder what Emily is. I don't think she's just a "doll". It makes me a little curious, actually. XD Edit: Does anyone knows what this page says? It seems like Jack had to choose between Alyss (White rabbit) and B-Rabbit to get Lacie (goal). And I said that Alice left Stuffed B-Rabbit alone because of Cheshire and Jack, but I guess it's just Jack 'cause look at this page. Cheshire is right behind Alice. |
LiinahMar 7, 2012 1:47 PM
Liinah said: I think when Alice died, she still had a soul. The tradegy happened and she went to the abyss. B-Rabbit found her there and decided to give it's body to her, that's why she doesn't "remember" about B-Rabbit's life, about it contracting with Jack and so 'cause B-Rabbit's soul didn't get to her since she already had one. The soul happened to be just like the core of the abyss, it found a vessel which was human baby-Oz - I presume Zai had thrown him in the abyss for whatever reason -. B-Rabbit Oz got out of the abyss first, without aging. So he was created as a human kid while Alice only got out 100 years ago after contracting with Oz who was thrown once again in the abyss. It sounds realistic, but if it so, they didn't need Jack to do this soul-exchange. And in the 70th chapter Oswald said to Jack "You used your chain to tear chain", so it was Jack who made smth with he original B-rabbit and divided it into the two parts. I think it's linked with his plan about Lacie. And we forgot about Barma family! Why that looking-like-madam-Red wanted Oswald's head? Why did this family tell Vincent how to open the gates into the Abyss, what interest did they have? |
Miss_Tangerine said: And we forgot about Barma family! Why that looking-like-madam-Red wanted Oswald's head? Why did this family tell Vincent how to open the gates into the Abyss, what interest did they have? Well...I have no idea...I had an idea when I was first about to answer..but I've forgotten. Liinah said: Now that you're guys are talking about Break. I wonder what Emily is. I don't think she's just a "doll". It makes me a little curious, actually. XD Emily is a chain! Who knows Oz was a toy Rabbit. |
| Yes, she might be a chain! And this will explain why Break is weak, it's his 3rd contract! :o And I'm also interested what he is gonna do with that wish, with Oz and with this situation at whole. |
| GAHHH! I can't take waiting....T_T I love Pandora Hearts s much! And I want to know what is going to happen to everyone. |
| Twik-chan, we understand you so much. T_T I wrote this some time ago, but no one noticaed that: I was thinking and came across this idea: if Glen (in common) is the reason, why children with red eyes appear, if they are Glen's brothers-sisters, it means that Break is Glen's relative? |
| Hm...that would be interesting but how could he be? But I like that theory about Glen reletiives and I think Break still has more secrets. |
TheLandofMyYouth said: But I like that theory about Glen reletiives It was said in manga that normally children with red eyes shouldn't exist, that Glen is the reason, so.. Even though it might be just coincidence, it seems to me that Jun-sama makes nothing accidentally. TheLandofMyYouth said: and I think Break still has more secrets. Yes, he is too mysterious and secretive to open all his secrets in the beginning of the manga. |
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