Why do people like this show?

JVFE said:
What arguments dude? Somebody def hurt you, this is the third and last time, you asked for tips and I recommended to watch the first 3 arcs, don´t know how I was toxic to you by any means, but whatever you think.

Firebind2 said:


Considering that.your are pretty much saying "don't talk shit about my fanbase and show" definitely does annoy me.

And of course you wouldn't but much like any blind defender, you had to make digs because I talked mean things about the fanbase (which again, you help reinforce) and the show. (which again you promoted shittily)

And your lack of self awareness doesn't surprise me. All I can say is fuck off. You are a hinderence to the cause you are trying to help.

JVFE said:
I didn´t know that recommending three arcs to someone who asked for tips is toxic, sorry, next time I want to help someone I will go to a forum where nobody asked for help.

Firebind2 said:


Like I said, could've kept quiet. Didn't have to throw in attacks such as me being toxic and change my mind but nope. Which I'm toxic mostly to spite people like you.

Which BTW I was askin alotlikecars since he seemed likable and more levelheaded. Not fanboys like you.

And you don't help you are blind fanboy who makes shit worse. Even better since you don't have the capacity to register some people are more negative to the show you like. If you truly wanted you help you'd just piss off.

JVFE said:
I didn´t say that, but okay whatever you think.

JVFE said:
Okay bro you were def not toxic, I was, sorry, I will move my toxic ass that can´t register some people are more negative to the show like me, hope you have a good day.

Firebind2 said:


#97

making threads like this is basically calling toxic fanboys


So yes, you are fucking stupid and have no idea what you are writing.

Which BTW the correct term would haters or a hatedom and yes, I hate shitty fanboys woth no self awareness such as you.

Sean42 said:
Honestly it did seem kind of confusing but it was still enjoyable. The quick flashes of words I don't think are really that big of a deal. You say there is no backstory or motivation of the character. Just watch Kizu after you watch Bake and you'll understand his backstory more as all 3 Kizu movies are his backstory

Firebind2 said:


Maybe, as I said I don't enjoy the show currenly. Like I said I am interested in continuing and I am interested parts people like. The characters don't have much charisma to me really. I will keep in eye out of Bake.

So yes I will probably watch it eventually but gsome toxic fans also just really make it a slog to want to watch.

JVFE said:
And? I mean, I didn´t say that you can´t talk shit to the fanbase, I just said that every fanbase has it´s toxic side.

Firebind2 said:


Which is a very enabling stance and pointless opinion. Plus being toxic yourself doesn't exactly help your case and getting upset I hate some of the fans responses.

alotlikecars said:



I mean, I said that it would be wrong to judge the anime based on that.

JVFE said:
Bro, seriously now, what I did to you to receive such treatment, could you please quote me in my first reply?

Sean42 said:

Yeah makes sense. There are also different orders to watch the series to make the most sense so you should check one out if you havent already

Firebind2 said:


Call me a toxic person. Expect toxicity and at the very most I am provocative. I am toxic to people who I interpret are being toxic and opinionated on some others.

Even better since I was slowly opening up to giving it another shot. Which you had to restart shit so nice work as again you only reinforced that the fanbase is shitty.

And if you can't figure that out. I can't help. No amounts of quotes can help you.

So my only word of advice is to go away or leave me alone. You already provocated things and then getting confused when someones mean to you as a response. I'm not going to be nice to you fanboy and I have no interest in arguing with you.

Firebind2 said:


Interesting, where should I start in your opinion?

JVFE said:
So calling you toxic(which you are to some people in this very thread) and talking about the show(with the intention to help you) is what I did? Man, while I was waiting for your reply, I took a look at your profile so let me quote you here, "So just to reiterate and make things short. I think toxicity mostly comes from division and miscommunication which is pretty normal in a fandom and an online space." So yeah, calm down, I am not a monster.

Sean42 said:

Well I started with Bake, then Kizu, then Nise and now Im gonna start Neko but if you look up "Monogatari Watch Order" there are multiple ones you can go off of

Firebind2 said:


Sounds good. I'll find a good order and probably being it over the weekend.

Firebind2 said:


Which is counter productive if you want to talk about the show itself. If I went around calling people fanboys and toxic before flogging a show chances are people aren't going to be inclined to listen to me. Which again, I was actually being nice and opening up to others opinion until your asinine comment so yeah, you either don't read what you post or you are just playing dumb. EIther way you are a horrible promoter.

Which you continued to be ass afterwards so I will continue to be an ass back. Which I'm always hostile to. With the exception of that two guys who pretty much said "Good tastes" as a joke (which was hard to understand through text since tone isn't a thing) and "Best Anime Ever" which was more of me being cynical to the shows writing. Most of my toxic comments have been reserved either to the show, the fanbase in general or those I (and others) see as being toxic and personally I don't care if I hurt their feelings and you starting shit just and getting confused is just makes you an asshole to me.

Yeah, you aren't a monster. You are blind fanboy and toxic from what I've read and an ass from my experience. Now it's cute that you are looking through my profile and quoting me but your continuation of playing ignorant. Just annoys me either that or a plain ole idiot.

JVFE said:
Okay, I reread some replies and I admit that it was my fault calling you toxic from the start, althought you kinda overeacted, but it´s alright, still, I don´t see in my replies signs that I think I´m superior or smarter because monogatari is such a complex series that you can´t comprehend etc etc, which was what made you mad from what I saw, so yeah, when I called you toxic, I was just pointing it(but I was wrong) and I really had the intention to help you, that´s why I asked you to quote me.

Firebind2 said:


If you are thirteen and think Kingdom Hearts has good writing.

Prajold said:


Nevertheless, Bakemonogatari is clearly the greatest anime that ever existed

BruhMan_ said:
Maybe You should finish rest of the Series?? lmfao, then reconsider it..
All of ur pints is pointless if u watch the full show..XD

Firebind2 said:


Why would anyone stick around to something that leaves a bad first impression?

Secondly still subjective and doesn't detract from the current opinion since issues like "pacing" and "bland characters" are something that is the fault of the show in the beginning for being disjointed and not presenting their characters in an interesting way.

Firebind2 said:


Why would anyone stick around to something that leaves a bad first impression?

Secondly still subjective and doesn't detract from the current opinion since issues like "pacing" and "bland characters" are something that is the fault of the show in the beginning for being disjointed and not presenting their characters in an interesting way.

BruhMan_ said:


And seriously u didn't even finish Bakemonogatari, it's futile to argue with u, I thought u at least finished the whole series...An opinion without without knowing anything about it is PATHETIC..

Firebind2 said:


Actually I've been re-watching the series somewhat starting with Kizumonogatari since that is supposedly the chronological start. Haven't gotten far for two reasons a busy schedule and that it feels like work.

I didn't finish Bakemonogatari because it was a mess and leaves a bad first impression and that I actually haven't gotten back into it with my rewatch. (Something screeching fanboys such as yourself make it very unfun to do so BTW)


To which no amount of additional screen time would fix a character and pacing issues retroactively. Something people like you don't ever seem to understand be it willingly or not.

Anyway the only pathetic thing here is the amount of defending sad little man children will go to protect their favorite toy.

So grow the fuck up bruh and get a life.

LustKamisama said:


It's simply a style you not used to as not all story narratives need to be linear. It shouldn't be watched in chronological order as the author intended to start with the messy timeline then slowing feeding bits and parts of the story.

Another reason is its HEAVY dialogue series but it's the selling point of the series. If you have any history with Asian calligraphy, you could see the genius ways the author plays with certain kanjis.

Seeing you just hate it with all your guts I don't think I could convince you otherwise. I just think coming in with standard narrative expectation would be easily put off with the amount of abnormality the series have.

Firebind2 said:


Sure but I think it's a step further when someone says they think the pacing is bad and another one gets pissy. It's a pretty bad mentality to have in my opinion.

And while I enjoy me some dialogue heavy shows I see this more as pretentious and stupid really.

Now this is a weird thing but at first yes, I didn't like the show but changing the watch order did eleviate some of my issues with the show. The characters still kinda bore me which makes it a bit of a struggle to watch but what really what I hate is the toxic and overly defensive fans that think they are smart because they enjoyed a cartoon series the series is just full of them.

Firebind2 said:


Sure but I think it's a step further when someone says they think the pacing is bad and another one gets pissy. It's a pretty bad mentality to have in my opinion.

And while I enjoy me some dialogue heavy shows I see this more as pretentious and stupid really.

Now this is a weird thing but at first yes, I didn't like the show but changing the watch order did eleviate some of my issues with the show. The characters still kinda bore me which makes it a bit of a struggle to watch but what really what I hate is the toxic and overly defensive fans that think they are smart because they enjoyed a cartoon series the series is just full of them.

BruhMan_ said:

Dialogue heavy shows aren't just for u...Plus the confused timeline can't ruin an anime s stop with that, look at fate series smh that show also has one.. screaming fan boys, me, i just stated facts "don't state opinions without show" yesterday...And urs one is not just that u don't like it it's just pure hatred, so it's impossible convince u, And again stop with ur confused timeline as it doesn't ruin any show, go and watch fate series build some experience then talk..There is difference between screaming and stating facts...

BruhMan_ said:


It's just as said u don't like dialogue heavy shows, u mostly care about actions just as I saw in ur profile characters fav from MHA.Dragon ball, and the bore characters that u talk about(lmao can't stop laughing btw) are the archetype characters, and that is MONO is the first to reveal characters like that and anyway it's just pure hatred from ur heart can't do anything about it..

Firebind2 said:


First of all. Yes a incoherent timeline can harm a show. Especially if it is dialogue or character heavy. Fate is actually a good example but I'd say it's more akin to Kingdom Hearts and I won't stop since it is a valid point despite your bitching.

And you obviously don't know what an opinion is. You are stating an "opinion" as am I. Your "opinion" is not "facts".

Firebind2 said:


Please reread my state I believe I said I usually enjoy dialogue heavy shows. Plus what happened to feeling "arguing with someone who hasn't watched the show being pointless."?

And yes I like the characters from the show. Doesn't mean anything unless you are implying Koyomi is the same as Goku or something. (they aren't) or that Monogatari series is the same as DBZ (which it isn't). The characters in Monogatari by and large have no charisma and not alot of impact to me and I can like both. There was a character or two I liked in Monogatari but I hadn't added them. (and now probably won't because it obviously drives fanboys such as you up the wall)

And aside from your bad grammar which makes it difficult to decipher what you say I thinks it's silly that you can't even comprehend the most basic skills of conversation since you sincerely think you are the only person with an objective opinion and can argue that someone misinterpreted their own opinion.

When really you can barely read. You are however a gleaming example of how I see the fanbase usually: narcissistic idiots.

(Also you don't have to quote me twice to add on to your looney rant. You could just hit the edit button.)

Firebind2 said:


First of all. Yes a incoherent timeline can harm a show. Especially if it is dialogue or character heavy. Fate is actually a good example but I'd say it's more akin to Kingdom Hearts and I won't stop since it is a valid point despite your bitching.

And you obviously don't know what an opinion is. You are stating an "opinion" as am I. Your "opinion" is not "facts".

Firebind2 said:


Please reread my state I believe I said I usually enjoy dialogue heavy shows. Plus what happened to feeling "arguing with someone who hasn't watched the show being pointless."?

And yes I like the characters from the show. Doesn't mean anything unless you are implying Koyomi is the same as Goku or something. (they aren't) or that Monogatari series is the same as DBZ (which it isn't). The characters in Monogatari by and large have no charisma and not alot of impact to me and I can like both. There was a character or two I liked in Monogatari but I hadn't added them. (and now probably won't because it obviously drives fanboys such as you up the wall)

And aside from your bad grammar which makes it difficult to decipher what you say I thinks it's silly that you can't even comprehend the most basic skills of conversation since you sincerely think you are the only person with an objective opinion and can argue that someone misinterpreted their own opinion.

When really you can barely read. You are however a gleaming example of how I see the fanbase usually: narcissistic idiots.

(Also you don't have to quote me twice to add on to your looney rant. You could just hit the edit button.)

BruhMan_ said:


Just as I thought u don't know why NisO made the timeline like that, He wanted viewers to focus on the characters, the culture and dialogues, He made it like cuz he doesn't wanted to viewers to stay focus on who stay alive or who dies as he did in Otorimonogatari.
So pls stop without knowing the actual reason.
It's an undeniable fact that "Opinion without knowing the source doesn't count as an opinion", even an elementary school student would say that.

Firebind2 said:


Actually, I don't care about that. Intention doesn't equal execution.

The second paragraph you typed is actual gibberish "he doesn't wanted to viewers to stay focus on who stay alive or who dies as he did in Otorimonogatari" English please.

And sure if this was a standardized test then maybe. However it isn't this is more akin to someone saying "he hates swiss" after tasting and someone barges in tears in his eyes saying "you can't say that about swiss unless you eat all of it." which is just asinine.

Firebind2 said:


Actually, I don't care about that. Intention doesn't equal execution.

The second paragraph you typed is actual gibberish "he doesn't wanted to viewers to stay focus on who stay alive or who dies as he did in Otorimonogatari" English please.

And sure if this was a standardized test then maybe. However it isn't this is more akin to someone saying "he hates swiss" after tasting and someone barges in tears in his eyes saying "you can't say that about swiss unless you eat all of it." which is just asinine.

BruhMan_ said:

and i think we should move this any further, we have different taste, that's it. So we got along despite our different taste. and sorry if I hurted ur feelings