Can Tatsuya survive a headshot? Regrowth cast time..

SetsunaFromSeiei said:

I m pretty sure that nerve cells just make it easier to manipulate psions, but not absolutely needed, pushion bodies(souls) are able to perform magic by itself this is already stablished.

Light said:
Suddenly, killing intent mushroomed forth above him from the right.
Tatsuya took evasive action on reflex.
There wasn't even a hint of hesitation in his motion.
Even so, he could not avoid the bullet that flew at supersonic speed.
He felt a burning pain in his breast,
Where the bullet had pierced through his left breast.
The impact from the bullet caused his body to fly through the air.
The enemy's sniping attack was incredibly accurate.
Even if he avoided a fatal attack, the blow still pierced his lung.
Given how late he heard the gunshot, the attack must have been made from an extreme distance. If Tatsuya hadn't taken evasive action, the bullet would have pierced his heart.
Conservatively speaking, this was an incredibly skilled sniper.

darkreaperix said:
Regrowth doesn't work if his dead ie' he can't revive the dead as seen in vol 8.Total annihilation will kill him,insta kills can kill him,using up all his lifeforce and exhausting all his psions can kill him and mental interference magics will work on him (like Miyuki's OP magic).

Flashoftheback said:

And, enemy who capable doing something like that is???

darkreaperix said:


Lina with her HMB
anyone from the 12 apostles
Masaki with Rupture
Miyuki :)
the Sniper that almost killed him :)

jakkubus said:

Masaki? Tatsuya would decompose him, his barrier and Rupture sequence with one spell.
Also only few apostles can hurt him. Itsuwa Mio certainly cannot do it with Deep Abbys.

darkreaperix said:


Unless Tatsuya gets "Ruptured" first heh :)
We only met 1 apostle in battle,2 or 3 were named with their SC magic and Mio is the weakest apostle,how do you know only a few can hurt him????We don't even know what the other unnamed apostles can do??

darkreaperix said:


Lina with her HMB
anyone from the 12 apostles
Masaki with Rupture
Miyuki :)
the Sniper that almost killed him :)

jakkubus said:

Tatsuya can dispel Rupture with Gram Dispersion and then disintegrate Masaki with Mist Dispersion. Ichijou ain't faster than him or Miyuki.
Apostles are users of SC spells, not the strongest magicians. Maya would probably curbstomp most of them, when Tatsuya is faster and stronger than her.

Flashoftheback said:

- Line will get decomposed first.
- Nuke all of those fodders down. Mio just get decomposed instantly.
- Your joke isn't funny.
- Why Imouto must harm onii-sama?
- Your second attempt joke also failed.

The answer is no one. Just show me an enemy who can stand against Tatsuya's full might and it will be okay.

darkreaperix said:

Lina is an SC magician and considered publicly that's she's the strongest magician in the world.

But what is faster Rupture or Decomp?Who can spam more?

Flashoftheback said:


- Line will get decomposed first.
- Nuke all of those fodders down. Mio just get decomposed instantly.
- Your joke isn't funny.
- Why Imouto must harm onii-sama?
- Your second attempt joke also failed.

The answer is no one. Just show me an enemy who can stand against Tatsuya's full might and it will be okay.

HomeAlone said:


Tatsuya can touch them first but they can't? They are not statue , anyone skilled enough can touch him, Tatsuya got hurt several times in the LN but they never hit his head or his heart. Rupture and Cocytus kills upon contact, any skilled magicians could kill him if they attack him at the right place. Even a sniper is able to do it.

Flashoftheback said:

But that "anyone skilled enough" didn't actually exist. And his damage repaired by regrowth. Plot armor makes the enemy didn't hit brain or heart(and people said Tatsuya doesn't have plot armor).
Mist dispersion is faster than Rupture. As i said Miyuki IS not an enemy, imouto will never Cocytus-ed Onii-sama.
Sniper is so meta talk, it's about the time for you to realize that, it's just like you talking that any human would kill superman if they stab him with kryptonite or sniper will kill Bruce Wayne while he dating a woman.

darkreaperix said:


It's not like plot armor,(somebody already explained it in the ep 19 thread,snipers don't target the head especially if they are 1000 meters away and at night,they target the body for higher chance to hit,and why would they know he can restore?It's both a military and Yotsuba secret.For a normal magician or human,that was definitely a kill shot,so don't look down on the unnamed sniper) but more in the line of common sense,who would in their right mind would kill off their popular male MC (yes he is popular in Japan,he's been in the top 20 fave male in the Kono LN polls and top 1 a few months back in Newtype magazine) halfway thorough the story (vol 14 will be released next month and the author has stated that his plan for the series to last 20-25 volumes,unless he changed his mind)?We might see more near death scenes in the future
.I would say plot armor is when MC loses his hand that negates esp and magic powers,still win and survive strong enemy and the next vol (or the next following volume) it magically reattaches (again not hating on that said series) :)

jakkubus said:

So what, that Tatsuya was in Top Whatever? Every protagonist from hyped manga/LN (Kirito, Eren) is in something like that for some time during anime airing.

It is plot armor. His enemies are always either uninformed, retarded or underestimating him despite his showy attitude. Also every attack miraculously misses his vital parts.

hakazee said:
in the new volume,

Tatsuya fight with Parasite Doll and Tats's abusng his Rebirth reconstruction spell, tanking everything that doesn't hit his head or heart.

so, his head and his heart is important even though he has rebirth.

MagicianX26 said:
Wrong on all counts all of you guys.

In fact I formulated a strategy to beat the fker.

In fact, while its the soul that's casting the magic(I.e. giving orders), it requires the brain to do so. So therefore, the moment when his entire brain is gone (i.e. head), he will stop functioning, and die for real.

So thus, in fact, two persons using Masaki's or Juumonji's abilities and with the same lvl of skill can effectively finish off Tatsuya (if they so wanted to, that is) in a fight.

-Juumonji and Masaki will have to repeatedly lock down Tatsuya with Palanx and Air Bullet, plus all their varying forms.

-Juumonji will have to knock Tatsuya down with a charge,

-Masaki will have to destroy Tatsuya's brain by using Rupture on all the blood in his head.

Other ppl can be used, through results might be harder to get.

Or just cast Cocytus on him.

jakkubus said:

It is possible to bypass Tatsuya's self-restoration, but it is just one of his defences.

- And Tatsuya has to decompose it. Idk if he is able to destroy all layers of Phalanx, but Masaki's Air Bullets are not even issue there.

- Yeah, good luck. Tatsuya is freaking ninja, so he can easily avoid that.

- But Tatsuya is the faster one here, so it's not going to work.

- Only person with Mental Interference magic, that could harm Tatsuya, is mindless doll, which would never go against him.

darkreaperix said:


-He can't destroy the layers of Phalanx it automatically creates new barriers when one is destroyed.
-well he is fast without magic but any course 1 student can use speed magics which is faster than his normal speed.
-heard the word spamming magics,seen in the Monolith code match,Tatsuya only withheld decomp which was a classified military magic but he was going all out.
-normally but with the help of magic it's equal
-that we aren't sure about,since the Yotsuba are also known for their mental interference magics and we only know like 4 or 5 of the clan.

jakkubus said:


- If it has less than 36 layers, he could reach Juumonji.
- It is not just about speed, but also e.g. predicting movement patterns of opponent.
- But said Decomposition is his fastest magic. It's about two times faster than Miyuki's Systematic Magic.
- But not every Yotsuba. Some of them don't have that kind of magic (e.g. Tatsuya, Maya). Also Cocytus is probably strongest.

darkreaperix said:


-huh?
-it's like if someone challenge him their will only be standing.You won't see Masaki smiling and walking hiding behind hi his barrier,and air bullets,nope Rupture is better?Rupture blows up anything liquid,not just bodily fluids as Tatsuya explained in the LN,as long as water is around it's like giving him bombs.water in pipes ,a river,lake,etc.
-it is fast but it still has limitations,he needs to see target in the ID,he needs to break the barrier first,as Phalanx crates a new barrier once one is destroyed,it'll be a battle of attrition.
-Some but 2 of the Kuroba's has a kind.And I'm not even sure Cocytus is the strongest,Miya I think is still top in MI.

jakkubus said:

- Tatsuya can use Decomposition at 36 targets at once.
- And Gram Dispersion destroys any Activation or Magic Sequence (Rupture included), so it would not help Ichijou.
- But Phalanx is not working well against Non-Systematic Type Magic like Gram Demolition, which Tatsuya posses.
- But unfortunately Kuroba's spells are related to pain, which Tatsuya can handle very well due to his experience with Regrowth. And I'm not sure if Miya's magic was efficient in actual combat.

stefeman said:
If it comes to that, he can just ignite something and nuke the entire city to oblivion along with the Phalanx.. that should do it..

If hes in "Ground Zero" i wonder if his regrowth ability can keep up with the annihilation..

darkreaperix said:


Nope,he can't restore if he's dead,which means if his brain and heart stopped,he's dead. :)

stefeman said:


Allahu akbar then lol.. At least he takes him with himself, or are you telling me a Phalanx can even withstand a suicide nuke on point blank range? xD

MagicianX26 said:
Some misunderstanding...

Actually there are only two strategies to deal with Tatsuya and here they are:

1. Specifically lock him down with various kinds of magic, and then fire off a shot like Rupture or Heavy Metal Burst to effectively destroy his brain,

2. Or use a high level Mental Interference spell like Cocytus to effectively shut him down.

The first takes advantage of his cast limits and speed to force him into a corner, the second takes advantage of the fact the moment you use the spell, he can't do anything.

wrenchbread said:
Can he survive orbital bombardment from something like ODIN?

http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/ODIN_Space_Station

darkreaperix said:

-and Phalanx creates a new one whenever a barrier is destroyed
-he can still spam it,and the battle was Masaki/Juumonji right,as if Juumonji will just stand watching the both of them square off :)
-you have it the other way around.A strong barrier can withstand Gram Demolition
-nah,I still think the Kuruba's can give stronger pain.

MagicianX26 said:
Some misunderstanding...

Actually there are only two strategies to deal with Tatsuya and here they are:

1. Specifically lock him down with various kinds of magic, and then fire off a shot like Rupture or Heavy Metal Burst to effectively destroy his brain,

2. Or use a high level Mental Interference spell like Cocytus to effectively shut him down.

The first takes advantage of his cast limits and speed to force him into a corner, the second takes advantage of the fact the moment you use the spell, he can't do anything.

jakkubus said:

- But if Phalanx has less barriers than 36, Tatsuya's Decomposition would destroy them and reach Juumonji before recreation.
- But Tatsuya can kill him with Mist Dispersion before Masaki can spam it.
- Gram Demolition destroys everything with traces of psions, so magical barrier is rather not going to work.
- Kuroba's magic is not instakill, so Shiba can kill the caster before.

-

1. You are forgeting, that Tatsuya is one of the fastest magicians (maybe Lina is faster), so he can dispel spells that could harm him or just kill enemy before he would do anything to him.

2. Only person with that powerful magic is Miyuki...

darkreaperix said:

-That's per target and Phalanx is 1 target made up of multiple barriers.And Tatsuya max targeting is 24.
-The battle was with Juumonji right?
-nope,strong enough barriers can withstand Gram Demolition,it's in the LN,and Phalanx is the strongest barrier in existence especially since it automatically creates another barrier once one is destroyed ad infinitum (although it's as long as caster still has stamina to cast it :)
-Kuroba's MI is still not that much shown,so we never know :)

1.Tatsuya is only fast with his in born magics,while Lina is faster in all her magics.And Tatusya can't block HMB.It's like trying to block his own MB.

2.We haven't met the Black Sage though :)

jakkubus said:


- 24 under crossfire, 36 under normal circumstances.
- But you were also recalling Masaki.
- And Tatsuya has probably better stamina.
- I don't know much about Fumiya's spell, but his father's Poisoned Bees are not killing on instant.

1. But neither Juumonji nor Masaki have access to spell comparable to HMB.

2. He is MI magician?

HomeAlone said:
No, it's 24 max simultaneously. With Trident Tatsuya can max destroy 3 barriers simultaneously. Katsuto is the strongest barrier users and can use well other magics. He doe'snt need to have a one kill move to beat Tatsuya since he can try to destroy his brain, besides, Phalanx crushes the enemy until annihilation so if he is touched by this it would destroy his whole body. Tatsuya is not known to be one of the fastest magician, if he is faster than Masaki or the others is unknown. He can keep up with them by using his innate magics or Gram Demolition but for the others he needs Flash Cast. He was battling Masaki in monolith code with Gram Demolition in a Specialized CAD and he was not really considered faster.

jakkubus said:

Well, about sniping 36 targets, I have read it on the wiki.
Tatsuya using Decomposition is faster than Miyuki using Systematic Type Magic and Masaki is either on her level or even slower.
Also in MC event he was just using C class Systematic Type Magic, not his innate ability.

Jirachier said:
Tatsuya can use up to 36 instances of magic simultaneously, the only time it goes down to 24 is when he's under constant fire from everywhere which is a very rare scenario that won't occur if he's only facing one dude.

Tatsuya's speed with non systematic magic isn't his real speed either, his affinity is in restoration/decomposition, that is when he is at his fastest unless he makes use of flash cast for regular magic.

A magician's MCA is not in the brain but in their soul, as long as that's intact Tatsuya can auto-heal himself, he even stated that nothing in this world can harm him in the truest sense of the world.

wrenchbread said:
So what you're saying is... he's invincible?

wrenchbread said:

Just to quote myself...

MagicianX26 said:


Read my earlier post.

wrenchbread said:
Ya guys need to reach some sort of consensus on Tatsuya's mortality/immortality. It's kind of jarring watching LN readers argue over canon. I just want to know if Tatsuya can survive orbital bombardment as that is the most powerful conventional weapons platform that should've been developed by 2095. The Outer Space Treaty which banned WMDs in space would've been meaningless by this point, so it'd be kind of shortsighted if there isn't a contingency plan in place to counter very powerful mages. But asking for some logic in my fiction is a bit too much I guess.