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Jan 18, 2017 4:35 PM

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Gruffin said:
I'll be back soon. Got some Kamen Rider to watch with Soren and Kit. :p
I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT ROSIE. ;w; Oops.

Catching up for real this time.
Jan 18, 2017 4:45 PM

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Omnisword said:
Crossbell being good boy to being pointed out Logic and Blur something that i i think he referred for independent guild unless he refer for someone else? yiiikes sorry i am mountain man i don't know urban dictionary except from board description but people said you are being fishy in that part and i am afraid i have to FOS on you.
Why exactly am I being fishy? Why are you FoSing me instead of, y'know. Voting me? What has grapefruit done to make him more scummier than I have?

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A question how do you know they are unaligned. Firstly they both can be town and this is what everyonr always assumes at the start of the game but you just confidently said that they are ubaligned and like it was something you knew something trivial scum slip? (Also thanks for the vote I just missed my old name when I saw a norse mythology video want a link?)


When I say "unaligned pairs", what I mean is that they're not KNOWINGLY aligned - they can still both be town! What I mean by unaligned pairs is that if one of the two people flips scum, the other is confirmed town. Their interactions are too genuine in order to be scum/scum together.

Now, the interaction I pointed out between logic and Bur is pretty weak, but knowing them outside of the game, if they both rolled scum, I don't think they would continue the joking thing from the signups, instead preferring to keep it in the scumchat.

I think the interactions between Bur and Hime-sama I'm more solid on - the way Bur went after Hime early does NOT read like they are both scum together.
Jan 18, 2017 4:48 PM

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@omnisword so do you think that grape is third party. (Sorry I cant quote long posts in my phone)
How does this question help us catch the scum?
Jan 18, 2017 4:51 PM

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Bursama said:
@crossbell What d'you mean "how [hime-sama] reacted"? How would she react if we were scum together?
I don't think she would bring up her learning disability if you both were scum together, for instance. (This is pretty gross/OOG/angleshooty reasoning, so I'll try my best not to bring it up further).

Like, if you're scum here, I don't expect you to aggressively push a buddy off the bat unless your scumgame has drastically improved since the last time I played with you. And if Hime-sama was your buddy, I wouldn't expect Hime-sama to interact in that manner towards you.
Jan 18, 2017 4:53 PM

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_Claire_ said:
How can you determine this from a few early game posts, I am confused. To be honest, all the discussion up to this point about you getting attention and the connection with Sleipnirr is lost on me.

It seems like innocent, bluff, early post-y kind of thing.

1. My vote on Kasai/Sleip was a RVS vote with absolutely zero substance behind it.

2. I determined it based on what I know of Bur and logic out of game, and trying to place myself in their shoes if they both rolled scum. It's very weak, but it was observation I wanted to make, and it was something that could get the game rolling.
Jan 18, 2017 4:56 PM

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_Claire_ said:
How will scum!you (or Bur) and scum!Hime react then?

How would he approach it?
Just a note that I answered a similar question in 254.

logic340 said:
Honestly I don't see this like CCL start for you at all, the action is similar but the question is very different and has lead things in a very different way. Also the way you have followed things up is very different from CCL from my POV. Maybe I am biased because you and Gruffin attacked me for a misrep comment but I am not getting the scum!cross vibe. As I stated in my read list it feel similar to early game from other players I have seen be town.
Fair enough. I was just wondering because if I play with someone who has fooled me as scum before (like, Claire has definitely fooled me) I am much more wary of assigning them early townreads. For you to do so after I have fooled you in a previous scum game feels a little disingenuous to me.
Jan 18, 2017 4:59 PM

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Crossbell said:
_Claire_ said:
How will scum!you (or Bur) and scum!Hime react then?

How would he approach it?
Just a note that I answered a similar question in 254.

logic340 said:
Honestly I don't see this like CCL start for you at all, the action is similar but the question is very different and has lead things in a very different way. Also the way you have followed things up is very different from CCL from my POV. Maybe I am biased because you and Gruffin attacked me for a misrep comment but I am not getting the scum!cross vibe. As I stated in my read list it feel similar to early game from other players I have seen be town.
Fair enough. I was just wondering because if I play with someone who has fooled me as scum before (like, Claire has definitely fooled me) I am much more wary of assigning them early townreads. For you to do so after I have fooled you in a previous scum game feels a little disingenuous to me.
disingenuous...really? I did the same thing in Haruhi in regards to Lucian. This conversation feels like Deja Vu.
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logic340 said:
My vote on Kit is admittedly flaccid does that make it a scummy vote? Would scum logic vote kit like that and draw attention to himself in that type of way? Again it's an early pressure vote nothing more, their isn't much reason to it nor was it placed due to me feeling Kit is scum. I am going to be a bit liberal moving my vote as I see fit, you have no reason at all (to be specified later) reminds me of someone in a previous game who said they would share their reasoning only to have none when it was time to reveal.
The vote isn't scummy in itself, but it is bandwagonn-y and more than a little opportunistic, given how I voted Kit prior to that.

Your second question is WiFOM.

The thing with pressure is that you need to substantiate it with some kind of reasoning. If you go "oh hey, vote X", that's a vote without any reasoning, and it'll fall like bricks if someone questions it.

And I already revealed my reasoning as to why I voted Kit, in post 115.

logic340 said:
@Crossbell any concerns over this townread or lack of reasoning for it?
Omni's posts make my head spin, to be quite honest, which is why I haven't started to really engage with him yet.

logic340 said:

@Bursama and @Crossbell why does what Rosie said raise suspicion with you both? Do you really think scum would slip like that? I did something similar in my Haruhi post #81 with the express purpose of looking scummy and no one bit on it, the fact that you two have picked up on this makes me question why you picked up on this fact
It raises suspicion because I don't really understand why you would label a townread as "good to keep around for the first couple of days". Does that mean after a couple of days, you're going to scumread Gruffin and vote her? It just gives Rosie an escape hatch for her to back off of her townread.

Not to mention that it looks like it came from a scumchat, which is why it piqued my interest.
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logic340 said:
disingenuous...really? I did the same thing in Haruhi in regards to Lucian. This conversation feels like Deja Vu.
I didn't realize you did the same thing to Lucian in that game; fair enough then. I was just trying to explain my thought process.
Jan 18, 2017 5:09 PM

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_Claire_ said:

I have the feeling that Rose has a scum-mindset in that post as she seems to not care if he is town/scum he is gonna kill...or lynch Gruffin (her?) anyway. It is honestly, something unpleasant to read on. Not to mention the reason:Plays a bit scummy, even when to town. Lead a few wrong trains, though she tried her best.
If you think that Rosie has a scum mindset due to that post, then why are you not voting her or trying to question her about that post?

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And yeah honestly, Crossbell IIRC always stands behind someone's else opinion but he does have his own opinion, just the thing is its so unlike him to do this. Him being confident to put attention on him? Huh, I don't know.
What is your reasoning for voting me? Are we really going to go through this song and dance again? I don't recall you ever townreading me in a game where we are both in.
Jan 18, 2017 5:13 PM

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Grapefruit feels kind of townie with how he is explaining that he is feeling no pressure from the votes on him, and that he is continuing to scumhunt? Kind of a gut thing.

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Quick phone post:

Can we guys please NOT talk about S-mages/powerroles? Thanks.
/barn this post. Talking about powerroles only makes it more likely for the scum to figure out who they are by reading the mindsets of people making the post.
Jan 18, 2017 5:14 PM

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reiynii said:

Grapefruit21 (2): Oyasumi_Rosie, Omnisword
Kit (2): Crossbell, logic340
Crossbell (2): Claire, Sleipnirr
Rinto-kun (1): Grapefruit21
Thieme (1): Kit
Hime-sama (1): Bursama
Omnisword (1): Gruffin

Not voting (5): Thieme, Hime-sama, Phraze, cookiecrusher, Rinto-kun


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Jan 18, 2017 5:19 PM

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Kit said:

Bursama: A little bit scummy for pushing hime.

How is that push even the slightest bit scummy?
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logic340 said:
disingenuous...really? I did the same thing in Haruhi in regards to Lucian. This conversation feels like Deja Vu.
I didn't realize you did the same thing to Lucian in that game; fair enough then. I was just trying to explain my thought process.
as I was explaining mine. I try to look at each game as it's own entity. Sure meta and previous game experience get involved but I try to look at what each person is doing and saying in this particular game. I try to think about why someone does or says something rather than look at what they are saying. Obviously not in every situation but I'm learning. Like would scum Crossbell attract the kind of attention you did to start the game? Sure can fall back on trying to move things out of RVS but honestly it seems a little ballsy for scum cross to do in the first few posts. If I am to compare it to CCL you eased into your question a little bit more this one was more of a slap in the face like Mishu in Haruhi. Still not enough to clear you but a townread for now.

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@Sleipnirr: Can you link me to your last completed scum game please? It'll help me read you I think.

Also your questions 226 and 228 I have already answered.

Gruffin's post 246 on how she is going to work on improving her town game feels fairly genuine to me? Some of it is Information Instead of Analysis, but I have been in her spot before in a game a year ago-ish, so I know where she is coming from. That's a pretty impressive post if she is indeed scum, however.
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Finished catching up.

Pending Kasai/Sleip's question to me I'll re-organize my reads and reread a little bit.

I still like my vote on Kit. Her posts feel kind of underwhelming thus far.
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@Grapefruit21 Why did you choose to vote Rinto?

@_Claire_'s vote is pretty weird. I'm not seeing anything backing it up other than 6 month old meta vibes? Why is that scummier than the "slip-up" Rosie did?

Grapefruit's earned a townlean from me for his refusal to give reads under Sleip's non-pressure vote, weirdly enough. I accept his reasons for holding back his thoughts and think that they are able to come from a town mindset.
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I will add that I think it his highly unlikely that you and claire are alinged. (aligned as in know each others alignments).
Could you expand upon this?
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Bursama: A little bit scummy for pushing hime, but more overall townie for getting out of rvs and discussing the game and such.
What about the push on Hime was scummy to you?
Hime: Town, for the comment about how she normally needs something like an interpreter, since I feel like her scum buddies would help her if that's the case and she's scum. She also just seems kind of lost not really ill-intentioned
At the time you posted this, I had already tried to interpret what she said in my first catchup post and now Sleip is interpreting. Does this affect your read?
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Sorry but from my point you're more inactive than half the population.
And why only those players? Shouldn't you try to be broad with the choice.
Like you asking me on opinion of those three feels scummy to me, you're narrowing our vision.
If anything I trust Omni, sleipnirr is open, but I dislike Crossbell's offensive style, maybe because myself is inclined to be more passive >_>
Hm. Here you critisize Grape for only asking for a few reads, yet you did not supply any more than he asked for?

I think I'm understanding what Rosie is saying now. That "keeping Gruffin around" comment could have easily been similar to how Cross said that he didn't want to lynch me D1 but worded less clearly.
logic340 said:
Basically the way I see what Rosie is saying is like this. Gruffin is good for the game in her opinion. She will not be voting Gruffin without good reason early. This to me says that if we collectively or Rosie herself see's something then they will change their vote as needed. I may be wrong but I think a lot of you are laying a hard line early. Cross kind of did the same thing with me about Grapefruit. Why is my first read being seen as a game long, concrete, set in stone read? I see a similar thing happening with Rosie now.
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I'm thinking that it was an easy thing to word incorrectly, and I know what it feels like to be unable to articulate what I mean. While the keeping me around comment is odd, I'm not seeing any bad intentions behind it? I'm town, so the only reason I could think of for her to make that comment would be to try to pocket me, but it doesn't really come off that way.
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Let's catch some scum this time around.
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Jan 18, 2017 6:15 PM

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For now I'm going to unvote and backread a little. Not really caring for my Omni vote anymore because while his posts are strange, they clearly have some thought behind them.
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Gruffin said:
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I'll be back soon. Got some Kamen Rider to watch with Soren and Kit. :p
I CAN'T BELIEVE I FORGOT ROSIE. ;w; Oops.

Catching up for real this time.
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@Gruffin My vote on Rinto was a new RVS on someone who hadn't posted yet.

I felt that the reminiscing about old games that were not pleasant for Sleipnirr but were for Claire is not something that would ever happen in a main thread if they have a day chat. Goes mostly out the window if there isn't a scum chat, but it still seems fairly unlikely they'd give the thread a meta dump on each other as scum buddies.

You didn't feel like Rosie was trying to pocket you? Because that what it screamed to me. I'm moderating the read because of Harhui and it doesn't feel like what I'd expect from scum Rosie, but that move was super buddying.

Also Gruffin's post reminded me:
@Rinto-Kun What about Omni seemed trustworthy?
Jan 18, 2017 6:32 PM

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Grapefruit21 said:
Kit said:

Bursama: A little bit scummy for pushing hime.

How is that push even the slightest bit scummy?
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Kit said:
Bursama: A little bit scummy for pushing hime, but more overall townie for getting out of rvs and discussing the game and such.
What about the push on Hime was scummy to you?
Hime: Town, for the comment about how she normally needs something like an interpreter, since I feel like her scum buddies would help her if that's the case and she's scum. She also just seems kind of lost not really ill-intentioned
At the time you posted this, I had already tried to interpret what she said in my first catchup post and now Sleip is interpreting. Does this affect your read?
I guess I just thought it was weird he was pushing on her so hard when to me it seemed she clearly was just having trouble explaining, not being scummy herself. I'm not sure what nagging her about the same thing repeatedly would do to progress the game. Scum won't mind using town's weakness to make them look bad for a mislynch (though the hime push has not gone in that direction) or just push people for random things to look like they are scum hunting.

That said I thought Bursama was scum last game for his playstyle so it could just be the way he plays that I keep thinking is scummy, so I'll try to keep an open mind :/ and anyway it wasn't a strong scummy feeling.

No, now that she's already said she needs an interpreter, the whole town is aware and may offer help. If she were scum she would only need to ask in scum chat.










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Gruffin said:
For now I'm going to unvote and backread a little. Not really caring for my Omni vote anymore because while his posts are strange, they clearly have some thought behind them.


I really like to know why you give Omnisword so much credit. I havre seen very little value in his posts, except that he has a load of gut feelings, which is completely useless early game as there is very little to link to as of yet.

Not saying you should vote him, he just has very weird posts which I will treat for now neutral.
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Crossbell said:
Finished catching up.

Pending Kasai/Sleip's question to me I'll re-organize my reads and reread a little bit.

I still like my vote on Kit. Her posts feel kind of underwhelming thus far.
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Grapefruit21 said:
You didn't feel like Rosie was trying to pocket you? Because that what it screamed to me. I'm moderating the read because of Harhui and it doesn't feel like what I'd expect from scum Rosie, but that move was super buddying.
Mmm...That's what I was worried about at first, but when she explained herself in 239 this part read as geniune:
I won't trust thinking that they were scum because I thought I knew they were a scrum in the last game to the very end.
It's the paranoia over thinking she could be wrong if she lynched me too early over an expected scummy playstyle that sounds legit. Buddying? Could be a possibility, but eh.
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I really like to know why you give Omnisword so much credit. I havre seen very little value in his posts, except that he has a load of gut feelings, which is completely useless early game as there is very little to link to as of yet.

Not saying you should vote him, he just has very weird posts which I will treat for now neutral.
He hasn't gained my trust quite yet. But it's the strange entry and the progression on his read on Grapefruit that is making me not want to vote him.
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Vote: _Claire_
I like my vote here. I can't get over how odd that meta based vote on Cross is when her suspicion of Rosie appears to be much more fleshed out.
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Kit said:
I guess I just thought it was weird he was pushing on her so hard when to me it seemed she clearly was just having trouble explaining, not being scummy herself. I'm not sure what nagging her about the same thing repeatedly would do to progress the game. Scum won't mind using town's weakness to make them look bad for a mislynch (though the hime push has not gone in that direction) or just push people for random things to look like they are scum hunting.

That said I thought Bursama was scum last game for his playstyle so it could just be the way he plays that I keep thinking is scummy, so I'll try to keep an open mind :/ and anyway it wasn't a strong scummy feeling.
Looking at the VC, your vote is still on Thieme. Why is that?
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Gruffin said:
Kit said:
I guess I just thought it was weird he was pushing on her so hard when to me it seemed she clearly was just having trouble explaining, not being scummy herself. I'm not sure what nagging her about the same thing repeatedly would do to progress the game. Scum won't mind using town's weakness to make them look bad for a mislynch (though the hime push has not gone in that direction) or just push people for random things to look like they are scum hunting.

That said I thought Bursama was scum last game for his playstyle so it could just be the way he plays that I keep thinking is scummy, so I'll try to keep an open mind :/ and anyway it wasn't a strong scummy feeling.
Looking at the VC, your vote is still on Thieme. Why is that?
Nothing's really convinced me to change my vote. The scummy things I mentioned about Cross and Bur are just thoughts, and I haven't seem much from Thieme to make me read them either way, whereas a number of other people are seeming townish to me

Edit to add: I haven't reread anything either, so it could be that there is something that I missed, as well










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Kit said:
I guess I just thought it was weird he was pushing on her so hard when to me it seemed she clearly was just having trouble explaining, not being scummy herself. I'm not sure what nagging her about the same thing repeatedly would do to progress the game. Scum won't mind using town's weakness to make them look bad for a mislynch (though the hime push has not gone in that direction) or just push people for random things to look like they are scum hunting.

Bur never pushed for a lynch. They put their vote on Hime but never directly called Hime scum or asked others to hop on the wagon, it was hardly a push. Asking for clarifaction on different aspects of the same question makes total sense when it is the only topic worth discussing at that time. Hime was focused on the pressure on Sleipnirr part which was RVS (from Bur's POV) and unrelated to the alignment statement. Bur was trying to nudge Hime to that realization if I'm rereading it correctly and get Hime's feelings on the alignment statement. I don't know what Hime asking for a translator had to with Bur's push and why it is something Hime would only mention in a scum chat. I'm feeling pretty good about my vote right now.
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Grapefruit21 said:
Kit said:
I guess I just thought it was weird he was pushing on her so hard when to me it seemed she clearly was just having trouble explaining, not being scummy herself. I'm not sure what nagging her about the same thing repeatedly would do to progress the game. Scum won't mind using town's weakness to make them look bad for a mislynch (though the hime push has not gone in that direction) or just push people for random things to look like they are scum hunting.

Bur never pushed for a lynch. They put their vote on Hime but never directly called Hime scum or asked others to hop on the wagon, it was hardly a push. Asking for clarifaction on different aspects of the same question makes total sense when it is the only topic worth discussing at that time. Hime was focused on the pressure on Sleipnirr part which was RVS (from Bur's POV) and unrelated to the alignment statement. Bur was trying to nudge Hime to that realization if I'm rereading it correctly and get Hime's feelings on the alignment statement. I don't know what Hime asking for a translator had to with Bur's push and why it is something Hime would only mention in a scum chat. I'm feeling pretty good about my vote right now.
I don't really disagree with you. I'm not saying Bur is scum and that I can't possibly see a townie mindset. I guess you are right about why he pushed her (and I say push as in questioning, not pushing a lynch). It's not something I thought that carefully about when I wrote it.

Hime asking for a translator made me think she is on her own rather than on a team of scum that could help her. It relates to what I said about Bur because the point relies on Hime being town.










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I don't think anything Hime-Sama has done is alignment indicative at all. Complete null read and I find it strange you are town reading her. Still getting scum vibes from @kit.
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Grapefruit21 said:
I don't think anything Hime-Sama has done is alignment indicative at all. Complete null read and I find it strange you are town reading her. Still getting scum vibes from @kit.
Are you getting scum vibes because you disagree with Kit?
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Grapefruit21 said:
I don't think anything Hime-Sama has done is alignment indicative at all. Complete null read and I find it strange you are town reading her. Still getting scum vibes from @kit.
Well, ok. I'm not trying to convince you she's town cause I'm not totally convinced either. I'm just explaining things you are asking me about.










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Myanimelist need to modify their quote, i swear their permanent old post quote so annoying.


What do you even???
Sorry, I might just not get it, but your interactions don't seem reliable to me... also you missed on some players.
What do you think of Sleipnirr, Rosie, cookie? Why didn't you mention me? Sorry for asking >.>

If you noticed the time my post were posted then you should know i only adressed the users who had posters at that time hence i didn't included the other users
@Rinto-kun: He started strong townread for me, i see he play level-headed as town that judgment come from the way he commented people at posts #122 to #127.
@Rossie: Rossie started on very reserved posts, she was on my radar but my suspicion more on Grape because i was following my gut on Grape and i didn't included her in my post because she is Lucy and i hate Lucy (please don't hate me mr. gm)
i see her latest post in #239 where she mentioned Gruffin suspicious, that interesting i wasn't noticed that because i found for most part she flirt-chatted with me but after re-read Gruffin post she did not made much progressive post. then i will taken this to my note "write a stuff"
so did Rossie is townread now?
nah it's on my null list. If not town/scum she could be the third party.


@Cookiecrusher: COOOKIE SHALL RULE THE WORLDZ!!!! sorry wanted to said that, his name remind me with that cookie meme world conquer
I put cookie in null for now, i don't have clue about him as he barely posted.
@Rinto-kun : Why? Because you hasn't posted yet that time.

If anything I trust Omni, sleipnirr is open, but I dislike Crossbell's offensive style, maybe because myself is inclined to be more passive >_>

@Rinto-kun
Okay i lost there, why did you trust me isn't your last post indicated you doubt me?


Why exactly am I being fishy? Why are you FoSing me instead of, y'know. Voting me? What has grapefruit done to make him more scummier than I have?

@Crossbell
FOS mean i am suspected you but not on scumread yet as you so far has displayed being aggressive in scumhunting
why you into fishy part for me, it's part of my seven wonder curious what exactly interest for you to pointed the unrelated off topic they were being "unaligned"?
and why i voted Grape than you that cause I was following my gut on scum.

Omni's posts make my head spin, to be quite honest, which is why I haven't started to really engage with him yet.

@Crossbell
Head spin mean doki doki for me?
sorry but megane is not my type maybe if you remove that glasses i will find your cute part:blush:
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I feel ashamed now after i made that badass epic statement i will manly will not drop my read easily in #133 please don't laugh at me but please hug me "cries"
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Sleipnirr said:
Wait wait wait you cant say someone should be voted regardless of their alignment I suffered from that for a long time I wont let others do the same to another person.

>This is a town post.



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Kit said:
Are you expecting more from me?
I am.

I feel like most of your posts are more "commenting on things that are happening" and "responding to questions" moreso than you trying to take the initiative and figure out the gamestate for yourself.

You say that Day 1 is bad for you - why?
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Okay to make things easier how about we start to identify the third party first?
so far we only think that players could be the third party but to narrow the list how about we address this faction
According the game setup Independent has individual win conditions that may or may not be able to win alongside the Guild or the Dark Guild.
in my general knowledge the third party are people with their personal goal which mean within the third party there are clashing people who side with guild and side with dark guild
or maybe in this game every third party share same goal to benefit Guild and Dark Guild, if the third party are good guy then they will go to guild if they are jerk then they will go to dark.
that's how i think

What do you guys think about this?
@Thieme @Kasai @Gruffin @Kit @Oyasumi_Rosie @Hime-sama @Phraze @Crossbell @Bursama @logic340 @_Claire_ @cookiecrusher @Grapefruit21 @Rinto-kun
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Vote: _Claire_
I like my vote here. I can't get over how odd that meta based vote on Cross is when her suspicion of Rosie appears to be much more fleshed out.
This is a fair vote, and I'd like to see more from Claire other than her constantly suspecting me all of the time.

Also just a heads up - don't try to read Claire based on tone. I played with scum!Claire in Pirates Mafia and she destroyed everyone, most of all me.
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@Omnisword I want to focus my efforts into catching scum today, not the 3rd party. It's something we can tackle later if any Independents become a problem.
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Omnisword said:
Okay to make things easier how about we start to identify the third party first?
so far we only think that players could be the third party but to narrow the list how about we address this faction
According the game setup Independent has individual win conditions that may or may not be able to win alongside the Guild or the Dark Guild.
in my general knowledge the third party are people with their personal goal which mean within the third party there are clashing people who side with guild and side with dark guild
or maybe in this game every third party share same goal to benefit Guild and Dark Guild, if the third party are good guy then they will go to guild if they are jerk then they will go to dark.
that's how i think

What do you guys think about this?
@Thieme @Kasai @Gruffin @Kit @Oyasumi_Rosie @Hime-sama @Phraze @Crossbell @Bursama @logic340 @_Claire_ @cookiecrusher @Grapefruit21 @Rinto-kun
Unvote; Vote Omnisword
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Okay still confused by half of what omni is saying. But I'm not sure how the I'm being passive scum read from earlier still applies and that's all I got out of the revote onto me.

I second Omnis question to Rinto.

Re: Scum reading Kit: I'm scum reading Kit for a few reasons. First the joke posts from early. Fits with personality but is cranked up compared to Harhui.

Second throwing suspicion on Bur for a towny play.

Third claiming Hime-Sama asked for a translator and that's a town tell. Hime never asked for that just mentioned it usually ends up happening. Second Hime couldn't rely on scum buddies for translations. Makes no sense but Kit mentioned it a few times. It's creating a false narrative that doesn't hold up to inspection.

Fourth I did not like Kits reaction to having three votes on them. I can't link the post from mobile but his reaction to logic340s vote was just a bit strange.

Fifth (and weakly because it is day 1) Kit has been super waffly. Commented on a lot of the happenings in the thread but been on the fence about pretty much every single event.
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Crossbell said:
This is a fair vote, and I'd like to see more from Claire other than her constantly suspecting me all of the time.

Also just a heads up - don't try to read Claire based on tone. I played with scum!Claire in Pirates Mafia and she destroyed everyone, most of all me.
What about Claire's tone made you townread her in Pirates Mafia?

I don't have much experience with Claire other than NnT, where she was TPR and I died D1 so I'm at square one trying to figure out how she behaves.
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/barn Crossbell re @Omnisword

Edit: The neutral post came up while I was working on my other post and yup, that's scummy.
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/barn Crossbell re @Omnisword
Are you referring to his vote?
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Gruffin said:
What about Claire's tone made you townread her in Pirates Mafia?
She was very good at faking emotional townie tells, IIRC. I remember in the lylo of that game, she was good at behaving like a townie who was going to lose the game. Plus, for most of the game she was providing content and was being townread by most people. Her posts felt like a low hanging fruit townie when she was in fact scum.
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/barn Crossbell re @Omnisword
Lol. I was just about to barn you for the case on Kit, where you explained it more succinctly than I could have.

I'm trying to figure out if Omni genuinely believes what he's saying or if he's just scum. It could be both? I'm not sure, his posts are all very strange to read.
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Gonna see if I can get my reads down in a cohesive format before I head to bed.

I am mildly worried that I am wrong on at least one of my townreads, but that'll be something I'll sort out later.
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Crossbell said:
I'm trying to figure out if Omni genuinely believes what he's saying or if he's just scum. It could be both? I'm not sure, his posts are all very strange to read.
Same, that revote on Grape threw me for a loop.

I know I said I'd rather focus on scum just a couple posts ago, but there's also the possibility that he's some sort of TPR? In Haruhi, I had such a hard time sorting Rosie because she didn't do anything inherently townie or scummy and she turned out to be a hitman.
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@Gruffin yes I am and if I didn't feel so good about my Kit read I'd move my vote. Honestly between these reads and the fact that Omni didn't mention Kit in their breakdown post I think there is a small chance we have two scum.

@Crossbell it could be the way they approach the game, but they kind of explain in their post why it would be a bad idea to approach it that way as town. So leaning scum.
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