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Shinichi-Kun said:
change vote:Qoco

we gotta have a train going somewhere

aa-dono said:
Why not the existing ones?

grrr said:
Should i town read Logic? Of course not. Logic and penta are mafia. aa-domo and grapfruit are next. Grapefruit can take a bullet as well : D. He kind-a agrees that he is mafia.

Qoco said:


From top to bottom. Pick a name, any name.

Kit
Logic
Jackrito
Karote
Grrr
Shinichi-Kun
aa-dono
DenjaX
Grapefruit21
Penta
Chione

Shinichi-Kun said:


What about the timing? The 1st claim was 15 mins before phase change and the other claim was right after phase change i think. So the 1st claim wasnt really that odd it was just pressured out of him.

If hes a scum bus driver he absolutely needs to be lynched today but if hes town we honesty lose a powerful asset.

Shinichi-Kun said:


This is true i may believe the claim but i dont trust karote, not gonna just lynch him tho.

aa-dono said:
There's a chance I won't be back to the thread until late, so
Vote: Karote

Though for repeating reads, @Coelestin, it's interesting how Lucian is a scumread for "absolutely no scumhunting effort" as well.

aa-dono said:
Logic and Penta

PentaFlare said:
This is going to seem weird, but I'm trying something new. One of the following claims are true. You could spend some time trying to decipher this if you want, but I'm mostly just trying to mess with the mafia's heads.

1. I'm town vengeful. If you lynch me I've got my brutal aimed at Karote.
2. I'm virgin. Lynch me and there is no night kill.
3. I'm a 1-Shot Vigilante who can not shoot day 1 and was roleblocked last night.
4. I'm a tracker who has been tracking grrr every phase to see whether the nurse claim is justified and have not seen them perform an action.
5. I'm a mason with a top secret mason buddy.
6. I'm a mayor that hasn't revealed because I haven't been under significant pressure. Once I reveal I will be unable to be protected from death, implying there is a doctor but no strongman.
7. I am a town roleblocker who has blocked grrr every phase to see what will happen.
8. I'm a spy and have gotten snippets of the mafia conversation about who they think they can mislynch, which clears grrr, but was roleblocked night 2 and heard nothing.
9. I'm a 1-Shot lie detector and verified grrr's Nurse claim.
10. I'm a type of vanilla cop that can determine whether someone attempted to perform an action last night and have determined that neither grrr nor Ruu attempted actions.
11. I'm the real transporter, but it is a 2-shot ability I haven't used yet.
12. I'm an odd day doublevoter.
13. I'm a special type of doctor that can only stop attempted suicides instead of night kills but do not know what kind of ability would cause that.
14. I'm a martyr that will die in place of my target and has a 50% chance of revealing the killer.
15. I'm a vanilla town.

aa-dono said:
There's a chance I won't be back to the thread until late, so
Vote: Karote

Though for repeating reads, @Coelestin, it's interesting how Lucian is a scumread for "absolutely no scumhunting effort" as well.

Jackrito said:


Why Logic and Penta they are fairly high town for me

aa-dono said:
I know

Jackrito said:


care to expand on that lol,

DenjaX said:
I really like @Qoco to claim around EoD if he wants to live because I am betting my neck for this transporter being town. I like Jason Statham.

aa-dono said:
Just because someone is highly townread, doesn't mean they can't be scum. You know well I don't believe in town block.
So I like to reassess townreads every now and then.

As of now, there's a chance we're not gonna lynch Carrot. Doubt anyone will go back to Kit's slot. So there's me and Qoco.
Though from the flips that we have so far, I think strong towns are scum. You already know what my stand is on Coel. I like to see what everyone think of those highly town people.
Point here, before I strayed, is what Qoco think of them.

aa-dono said:
I don't. And now I think it's convenient that your role doesn't roleblock him.

DenjaX said:
For the record, I believe Karote's claim. I believe people have 2 roles like Rosie have (Deputy - Cop) unless they are vanillas/goons. I think Karote might have a Hider as a modifier.

@Karote care to verify?


Now to question, is there a need for a transporter for this setup? Looking at peoples claim and flips makes it possible due to the setup is highly interactive.

My only gripe about Karote's claims are the glaring mistakes about his claim and also the convenient timing of his claims. I find it suspicious. Other than that, his claim should be legit. It is a matter of knowing whether hes a town transporter or mafia transporter.

Jackrito said:


Yeah I get that townreads can easily be wrong. unless they is proof otherwise but my question was why on Penta and Logic I know your issues with Chione. Also why do you think strong town are scum I need reasons because with out them it just comes off as trying to break a towns trust. On the two you say though I think Penta is town less sure on Logic.

aa-dono said:
Logic and Penta

Jackrito said:


I would agree with something is wrong in that

Coelestin said:
Alright @aa-dono. Since you didn't want to comply with my request on ISOing Jack and Penta's request to ISO me. Let's do the same thing I asked Qoco to do.

Please make a very simple read list where you list everyone from towniest du scummiest.

logic340 said:
Where is everyone?

We need to discuss Karote's final claim. Who believes it's possible and why?

I really don't know how to feel about it as I don't know much about balance in a setup. If it's scum aligned (and I believe it could be) then it's dangerous and needs to be dealt with. If it's true (the bus driver claim) then if anyone targeted Karote or Jack N1 they might want to reconsider their results.

aa-dono said:
Me

grrr

Jack
Grape

Penta
logic
Shinichi-Kun
Qoco

Coelestin
Kit
DenjaX
Karote

aa-dono said:
Me

grrr

Jack
Grape

Penta
logic
Shinichi-Kun
Qoco

Coelestin
Kit
DenjaX
Karote

logic340 said:
Can you explain what you guys mean. I don't understand?

logic340 said:
Can you please explain your read on Qoco for me? He seem a little higher than I would expect given his contribution to the game to this point?

logic340 said:

@Qoco, @Coelestin, @PentaFlare, @Kit, @Grapefruit21, @grrr, @aa-dono If I have missed your response or feeling on Karote's claim please point them out to me. There are a lot of you who haven't answered this. Most of the people who checked in while I was sleeping didn't answer it and I feel like you guys are avoiding me. @Shinichi-Kun Here is another example of what I am talking about. Karote's claim is a pressing issue that needs to be discussed yet most everyone who wasn't on when I asked it seems to have avoided this question.

People who actually shared their thoughts:
Logic340 - I'm not sure how to feel. I remain open to the possibility of it being his actual role and it being town aligned but he has done nothing to make me comfortable with giving him that read. He fumbled his claimed under pressure, has been pretty much MIA D3. and when he is here he isn't doing/giving much. Which makes it hard to trust.
Jackrito - He doesn't buy it, feels it show's flaws in Karote's thought pattern, also feels that Karote needs to answer for their actions and why they picked the people they picked.
DenjaX - Believes it but finds it suspicious. Wonders if transporter is in even in this setup but it's possible since setup seems highly interactive.
Shinichi-kun - He doesn't see why we shouldn't believe it, he didn't claim a 3rd role transporter/bus driver are the same thing.

@Jackrito I am in complete agreement with you.
@DenjaX You're kind of all over the place with your answer. You believe it but you are suspicious of it? So is he town who slipped up or scum lying?
@Shinichi-kun Do you not weigh any behavior against claims? What about fumbling with Hider/Transporter?

aa-dono said:
Because of the method at locating scum and differentiating town.

Since I know I'm town, I'm starting to question the scumhunting method that others are using to locate scum. And this is esp true for Coel, logic and in a way you. Less you, since it seems like you did try other angles. Or I might be blind.

I would say why would I break town's trust. But I realized that is what I'm doing so well, maybe I am doing that then, since I don't trust this.
There's just something fairly repeatable in everyone's reads and most of them are not on "why" but on "how". It just bothers me a lot.

logic340 said:
I want to see his response to this as well.

Can you explain what you guys mean. I don't understand?

aa-dono said:
Me

grrr

Jack
Grape

Penta
logic
Shinichi-Kun
Qoco

Coelestin
Kit
DenjaX
Karote

Coelestin said:

Thank you. Would like to know how Jack suddenly ended up being so high.

Coelestin said:

I don't believe him. Mixing up hider AND transporter AND bus driver, naw. And Jack is right, we need to know more about why he picked DenjaX and aa-dono if he wants to convince us that he's town. Cause I don't see why he should pick these two or why he should have picked himself with Jack. Both of these don't make sense under the premise "saving" people with the transport while trying to get scum kill themselves with the help of the transport.

Jackrito said:


What do you find questionable

in their scum hunting and how would you rather they do it, I just want to get into your mindset here. On last bit they is nothing wrong with breaking town trust that is needed to eliminate the pocket scum, just if that is done with out better reasons it will be seen as a negative. Can you explain what you mean by why and how maybe I'm been stupid here

aa-dono said:
Carrot had one night to prove his role and he said he swap me and DenjaX.
From Lamby's claim, anyone targeting DenjaX should be roleblocked.

Carrot said he received no roleblock message, and after that DenjaX claim to be lifted from his role, meaning the old role is now gone.

The timing is convenient.

aa-dono said:
Oh God, don't call yourself stupid. I know I'm not the best at explaining. But well I'll try.

It's not how I rather them do it.

But I feel like it's how they rather everyone do it. While it could be town telling when you act a certain way than not, I've been scum, and I know it's easier to be town when I'm scum. There's a way to scumhunt that's appeals to everyone. One of them is making readlist, and having all your thoughts readable. It's not scummy to do this, in fact it helps town.
But it's also easy for scum to hide behind this. Scum doesn't need to change how they approach others since all they had to do is secure a mis lynch. It doesn't raise alarm when it happens once. But when it happens more than once, it seems like they're scumreading people based on how someone approach a game. Which can be easily disguised imo.

Jackrito said:


I sort of get what you mean, you think they are scum reading too general because they want easy mislynches so going for people not acting town. while a scum will be trying their best to blend in and hide by faking scumhunting like they are.

I sort of agree faking town is easier as scum because less pressure and inside info but not everyone feels that way Soren for example cant do it as well as many others. I do agree with you on readlists are easy to fake for townrep when I played the champ game last year though scum got caught for been too general in thier reads sheeping others so it is possible to use that aganist them.

I think Chione Penta, and Logic are going to the next level of getting evidence and pressuring others which scum find hard to do because if wrong they are suspect.

Jackrito said:


If Denjax did lose a part of their role it is likely a scum move but if Karote is not lying it means you were their target which tbh I don't think is likely.

aa-dono said:
I don't get this part. Why would Denja losing role is a scum move?
And why am I an unlikely target? :?

Jackrito said:


How am I above claimed roles and you also tried to lynch me and said yourself i'm not to be trusted. I also don't get how grr and Grape are so high.

aa-dono said:
This was just a list from the back of my head. It doesnt really answer Coel's question as to towniest to scummiest. I placed them in groups. I find it easier on my brain to do than rather than making things in scale.

Anyway, pretty sure I explained the first part over and over :/

Tell me why grrr's scum then.

As for Grape. I have been townreading him for the most part (my main reason would be because he feels unaligned compared to everyone else), but recently I feel that he's been taking a step back. It could be that I just lost track of his post amidst my back forth with Coel but there's a chance that he feels safe. I'll look over it again later.

@Kit I doubt it but just in case you're all caught up, what do you think of DenjaX?

Coelestin said:


Well, the thing is too, she's kind of active and is there, but... rhetorical question: what actually is she doing here if she's town and not scum hunting? I can see your point but arrrgh. Not scum hunting normally shouldn't be associated with town.


Lol. I've actually gotten doubts on my reads on logic and grape again yesterday especially since I actually had been suspecting both of them at some point in day 1 and because even with PoE it's unlikely to have all 3-4 scum in the pool of five peeps that are under suspicion right now, but yeah, nothing can shake my read on Penta and Jack now. Doesn't matter right now though, we've got scummier people to deal with first unless something unexpected happens.

Qoco said:


Karote is shady. This could be both good and bad, depending on what their role is. Sometimes you need to do things, like lie about your role, for the greater good. However, their role is something that I don't know, and so I treat him with special care. I suspect him, but I don't want to lynch him just yet. So he's kind of up there, but not really. He's more like an "I'm watching you" type of guy, I guess.

aa-dono said:
This was actually my question but oh well.

True, anyone could claim anything, but if you did read the roles or the rules, you would know that TPR can't be jester since the win con is clearly stated. @Shinichi-Kun

So why would you speculate Ruu/Abu/Kit jester?

aa-dono said:
Why not the existing ones?