Reasonable argument for not eating meat

lupadim said:
It jsut shows there are other things cutting down trees, which means it proves my point and we are going to lack meat more sooner

lupadim said:
It jsut shows there are other things cutting down trees, which means it proves my point and we are going to lack meat more sooner

geezdad said:
Man, I would love to find out how your brain works. Absolutely fascinating.

Thing said:
"Forests are cut down for many reasons (proves there are many things that result in cutting down forests)
"Farmers cut forests to provide more room for planting crops or grazing livestock." (they cut down trees to produce and store food. Population is growing = more people to eat = more food needed = more deforestation)

MellowJello said:
So basically you just pulled confirmation bias again? You do know while he is "technically" correct (common sense), he didn't back up what he said at all.

Livestock said:
Water Shortage
Livestock require water for consumption but also for watering drops necessary for feed. Grains are often used to feed live stock about 50% of US grains produced does and 40% of world grains produced does as well.[15] Grain and in general crop production requires various amounts of water, it takes 100,000 liters of water for a kilogram of grain fed beef, compared to wheat, which takes 900 liters.[15]

lupadim said:
Can we all agree that in the future, not everyone is going to be able to eat meat then?

Sourire said:
not everyone is able to eat meat at the moment too..

Sourire said:
not everyone is able to eat meat at the moment too..

Kyonyo said:

Yeah I'm kinda missing what lupadim is trying to point out here.

lupadim said:
Prove

lupadim said:
Prove

Sourire said:
me neither I don't know if I should laugh or cry.. why should I bring more proofs to this thread? You didn't bring any facts to support your claims since the first post. I really hope you don't get to work as a lawyer or brazil is even more screwed.

Seravander said:


I wrote that pretty much from my general knowledge and after a little consultation from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_overpopulation.

I was trusting Wikipedia to have compiled the data and sources into a nice article. This is just casual discussion and I would think that would be a suitable source to generalize my thoughts even further. But after some more digging, here are some more articles which bring up interesting issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_security
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livestock



Actually here is the source for that. Interesting as well.
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/1997/08/us-could-feed-800-million-people-grain-livestock-eat

Sourire said:
yep seravander brought nice proofs and facts, you brought nothing.. thanks for proving my point buddy.

lupadim said:
I backed my point pretty nicely in the first page. After that I didn't feel the need to back it up even more, but Seravander did that for me. And while you proved I didn't bring proofs or facts, you also proved there are proof and facts that back my argument (I just didn't mention them)

Mellowjello said:
In a very specific scenario which may not happen

Mellowjello said:
What the fuck is your argument?

Mellowjello said:
That we're not eating meat in the future?

Mellowjello said:
When the hell is the "future?"

Mellowjello said:
We have virtually centuries of time before we "run out of space" for animals.

Sourire said:
proof about eating meat is good

lupadim said:
So you admit we are eventually going to run out of space for animals?

lupadim said:
So you admit we are eventually going to run out of space for animals? Thanks for agreeing with me.

lupadim said:
Look at the fucks I am giving for that, there are none. My point stands, we eventually gonna be forced to not eat meat

Ntad said:
And eventually the sun is going to expand and eat up half the solar system. Let's hurry up and formulate a plan to stop it.

Sourire said:
yeah but there's more chance that the end of the world comes first.

lupadim said:
I just want to discuss the fact, I don't plan to bring a solution.

Ntad said:


There is no "fact" that humans are going to stop eating meat. Your whole (as usual) argument is speculative. There is no proof it will happen due to the reasons you present.

lupadim said:
develop with facts and statistics about population growth and the estimated time of the Earth's end (I hope you realize the bullshit you just spoke while checking them)

Sourire said:
I wasn't serious, just pointing out that a few things could happen first that are far more disastrous than running out of space for animals.

lupadim said:
I just want to discuss the fact, I don't plan to bring a solution.

lupadim said:
That is not true. If we are eventually going to run out of space for animals, it logically means not everyone is going to be able to eat meat (only a small elite part), unless people plan to eat fake, synthetic meat.

Kaiju said:
The rich will never give up eating meat.

Tachii said:
There was a recent science news that made the headlines where they developed something like meat using molecular biology techniques. AKA cloning cells from cows and making a beef-like patty afterwards. I imagine they can go on mass-production soon.

Kalheesi said:
Yeah I believe so too. And yeah I've read years ago that in the future meat production will decline and yeah meat will cost an arm or people won't be able to produce it anymore. But I think that I read something like that too :

Aloxamax said:
Run out of space for animals? Of course not!

We'll do what we always do when we run out of land to build on (besides large-scale conflict) - we build up!

The concept of vertical farming isn't anything new. As of right now, the biggest problem with vertical farms is the cost - they're certainly not cheap, but what I'm trying to say by using that example is that this topic isn't recent, people have been discussing it for a long time and have actually come up with solutions and are still doing so with every relevant scientific discovery - we don't lack alternatives so we won't really run out of space.

http://www.verticalfarm.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_farming

Aloxamax said:
we won't really run out of space.

lupadim said:
Vertical farm aint adequate for animals

Shiratori99 said:


Who cares, as long as they produce meat.

Shiratori99 said:


Who cares, as long as they produce meat.

JD2411 said:
animals have rights as well

Sourire said:
since when farms aren't considered buildings?

lupadim said:
Rephrasing: Buildings with many floors

lupadim said:
Rephrasing: Buildings with many floors

Shiratori99 said:
Human rights > Animal rights. If humans need cheap meat, then byebye animal rights.

Shiratori99 said:
They are born and stay their whole life in their floor. So you lift them up one time with an elevator and that's it.

lupadim said:
Rephrasing: Buildings with many floors

JD2411 said:
But humans are animals as well

and could you really eat this?

Sourire said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Industrial-Chicken-Coop.JPG just add floors to that.. problem solved.

Shiratori99 said:


Humans are conscious beings, most animals are not. Thus we get to decide who or what has rights and what has not.

DudeClank60 said:
No room on earth? Go to space. "Space Meat"

lupadim said:
Come on, think about it, you will notice many flaws with that theory...

Hygiene comes up again. Where are the animals going to poop? At the floor? Buildings are small. It will accumulate. What if one of the animals contract a virus? In such a small space, all the other animals will eventually be infected. So many flaws, I can barely list them because I can't back up most of them

Shiratori99 said:


These are simply architectural problems and don't affect the viability of the concept of vertical farms at all.