Aiohri said: A boy that sleeps with many girls is a slut just like the girl. I hate people that sleep around thinking it's some kind of charity event. Keep it to one or two, don't do as many as you can because when you find the one, you'll regret your past. Men and women are equal. On all aspects. Girls like to have their way but that's just how it is. This comes off more like an argument from opinion than anything else. More often than not, if one of your guy friends says to you that he "banged this chick last weekend", you (as a subject of argument; not you, personally) would tend to think of him as being 'cool' or a 'player'. If a guy has the skills (as they are considered) to get any girl's phone number at a bar, I very much doubt that he would be considered a slut, even if he sleeps with a girl a week. His image among his guy friends is more likely to rise than fall after, well, 'pimping out'. |
mechaisntweeaboo said: Post-Josh said: Ahahah. Sorry, I know I'm an asshole, but seriously. How can you possibly believe that? What are you talking about it's easy really, completely disregard sex. That's the farthest thing from easy, I'd even say it's impossible. Only children are capable of completely disregarding things, and even they learn fast. Also, you know what happens when everyone in a discussion tries to "stop talking about something"? The people with the most incorrect views of all keep talking, because they were never involved in these discussions to begin with. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Post-Josh said: ataraxial said: Do people here think that there are fundamental differences between the two sexes? Not to derail the conversation or anything... but I'm curious. /Chitanda Eru I love you and honestly can't stop making curious Chitanda puns everywhere I go, haha. That's a tough one though. I'm tempted to say that yes, there are some fundamental physiological differences because of biological differences. Such as the "motherly-ness" that comes from physically having the child, or the "manliness" of being the penetrator in sex. In that sense absolute equality can never be even theoretically achieved (unless science starts changing biological things, which is possible I suppose). Thanks for that; lol, I was afraid nobody would catch it since I added it in after I realized what I had just typed. I'm a pretty die-hard supporter of nature in the classic nature vs. nurture debate, so I do think that there are biologically-induced differences between the sexes apart from the obvious reproductive situation. For various genetically-hardwired reasons, human males are more analytic while females are more empathic. That's not to say there can't be amazing female engineers or males who can read/understand others extremely well, it's just that on average, that's how we are as a species. Boys naturally want toys concerning 'things' - and spend time figuring out and imagining how 'things' work. Think Hot Wheels, Lego blocks, video games involving vehicles and weapons. Girls naturally want toys concerning 'people' - and spend time figuring out and imagining how 'people' work. Think dolls, tea sets, video games involving pets and fashion. |
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Hitchens said: Suzune-chan said: mechaisntweeaboo said: The only problem I have with women are how they cry sexism whenever something happens to them they don't like, and they expect men to be in some way be indebted to them because of our societal roles up until now. It's exactly like racism, they only exist still because people won't stop raising the irrelevant issue and talking about it. Well there will always be a few strange male/female issues that will always be there. If a man sleeps around with many women he is considered a big shot of sorts by his friends. If a women were to do the same thing then she is a slut. Interesting isn't it. However with the worst being if both the male and female are consenting and choose to have sex and accidentally create a baby, it is both of their faults. It takes two to tango. However, it seems by society to be okay if the man leaves the women with child to pursue his life leaving the women stranded to raise the child... I agree with most of the issues you have raised there. Most of them, except for the last one. Is it really considered alright if a man abandons the woman to raise the child alone? Well personally I do not think so. However, society does not look down on the male for his actions and instead condones the women as though it was she who did something wrong |
 Where there is no imagination there is no horror. || Arthur Conan Doyle || Happy Halloween! |
| @mechaisntweeaboo, I don't think that's the issue being raised here though. It's not that we are assuming the existence of such discrimination as sexism and racism and attributing them to the problems in society, but rather we are noticing them. @Suzune-chanI wouldn't tread so lightly on such an issue. Even though it sounded a bit too generalizing, I agree that in a lot of cases there is more societal pressure on women than men. But it goes both ways. |
HitchensJul 19, 2012 8:53 PM
hentai_proxy said: Inequality is the result of continuing actions to sustain it. Actions are effects of humans. Be it committees that decide with gender criteria, job markets that discriminate etc. they are all manned (!) by specific people taking specific actions. Inequality, too, is something that 'people do'; not something that stems from who people are. Not sure what you think my personal opinion of you is, so here goes. In this specific regard I'd consider you a very good person, because by understanding this stuff/ not actively enforcing inequality you're doing a better job than most people and probably me as well. I still maintain that apathy is not a neutral course of action, but it's certainly better than being purposefully sexist. It's similar to the idea of false generosity, often talked about in regards to charity and welfare. Doing nothing anything to increase inequality may seem like a temporary improvement, but it doesn't attack the root of the problem and thus doesn't seek to actually solve anything. I'm actually kind of tempted to make a thread about false generosity. It's interesting to think about and really changes the way you think about charities, or at least it did with me. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Post-Josh said: hentai_proxy said: Inequality is the result of continuing actions to sustain it. Actions are effects of humans. Be it committees that decide with gender criteria, job markets that discriminate etc. they are all manned (!) by specific people taking specific actions. Inequality, too, is something that 'people do'; not something that stems from who people are. Not sure what you think my personal opinion of you is, so here goes. In this specific regard I'd consider you a very good person, because by understanding this stuff/ not actively enforcing inequality you're doing a better job than most people and probably me as well. I still maintain that apathy is not a neutral course of action, but it's certainly better than being purposefully sexist. It's similar to the idea of false generosity, often talked about in regards to charity and welfare. Doing nothing anything to increase inequality may seem like a temporary improvement, but it doesn't attack the root of the problem and thus doesn't seek to actually solve anything. I'm actually kind of tempted to make a thread about false generosity. It's interesting to think about and really changes the way you think about charities, or at least it did with me. I don't know if the 100m dash analogy really works here. Why does past discrimination on the basis of gender matter for someone who is born into a society with perfect equality? Doesn't he or she, by definition, have the same opportunities as anyone else does? |
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| I'm confused ataraxial. But I've also over-saturated myself on this topic, if I post once more I think I'm going to die. Time to watch the K-ON movie... |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
mechaisntweeaboo said: This is the level of understand that needs to be applied to forms of discrimination, period. I remember when everyone heard this and realized Morgan Freeman wasn't very bright. More like, "Morgan Freeman on being a baka". /seriouslymylastpost |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Post-Josh said: I'm confused ataraxial. But I've also over-saturated myself on this topic, if I post once more I think I'm going to die. Time to watch the K-ON movie... Maybe replying to a past post by quoting a more recent post wasn't the best choice. I was talking about your racing analogy from before, about how those who discriminate need to do more than just maintain current equality in order to be fair since they already had a head start. I didn't think that this analogy really worked since I don't see how discrimination of the past has any effect on anyone in the present given a society with perfect equality. If anything, the race is reset for every person at the time of their birth, so as long as the current state is one of equality, all ongoing races are fair. |
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mechaisntweeaboo said: However, by pretending it does not exist you are ignoring a problem.Post-Josh said: mechaisntweeaboo said: This is the level of understand that needs to be applied to forms of discrimination, period. I remember when everyone heard this and realized Morgan Freeman wasn't very bright. More like, "Morgan Freeman on being a baka". /seriouslymylastpost I seriously don't understand why people think this is a stupid approach. You can't solve discrimination, or use band-aid approaches, it's only going to convolute matters in the end. |
Where there is no imagination there is no horror. || Arthur Conan Doyle || Happy Halloween! |
Suzune-chan said: mechaisntweeaboo said: However, by pretending it does not exist you are ignoring a problem.Post-Josh said: mechaisntweeaboo said: This is the level of understand that needs to be applied to forms of discrimination, period. I remember when everyone heard this and realized Morgan Freeman wasn't very bright. More like, "Morgan Freeman on being a baka". /seriouslymylastpost I seriously don't understand why people think this is a stupid approach. You can't solve discrimination, or use band-aid approaches, it's only going to convolute matters in the end. Right, Morgan Freeman has a perfectly valid point, but the problem is that we haven't quite gotten to the point of equality yet as a society. |
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| Pretty sure you're all just getting trolled.....or trolling. |
Bostonblows said: Pretty sure you're all just getting trolled.....or trolling. Both, always. |
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| To be brutally honest, on the man's side of the fem-dom relationship, it doesn't look good! To others especially the man seems like a wimp who can't handle himself. But then again, it really depends on how dominant the woman is - if it's barely noticeable, then it might be ok, but too much isn't good. But of course, you can always change that attitude of yours - there are lessons for everything. :) Take some lessons/'w.e else to boost your confidence, and perhaps take some martial arts lessons, they actually help a lot (experience). Not only would you physically feel amazing, but even mentally you'd feel a lot more confident about yourself. And then of course, looks which can be easily brushed up. :) Ja. |
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mechaisntweeaboo said: ataraxial said: Right, Morgan Freeman has a perfectly valid point, but the problem is that we haven't quite gotten to the point of equality yet as a society. People need patience, only time is going to fix our problems with discrimination. It's only been 90 years since women go the right to vote, that's not that long ago, we can't expect to change that fast. As much as I find people who hypercorrect racism to be annoying, people who try to hypercorrect those people are just as bad. Being ridiculous / stupid about it (think "niggardly") is bad, but that doesn't stop racism and other forms of discrimination from being real and existent issues. |
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mechaisntweeaboo said: I think you are correct. Only time will tell. Since there is no obvious answer to what we can do to fix the problem. We move forward steadily and continue to try our best.Suzune-chan said: However, by pretending it does not exist you are ignoring a problem. At least I'm not contributing to it. All you can do is try to make others understand and do the right thing. ataraxial said: Right, Morgan Freeman has a perfectly valid point, but the problem is that we haven't quite gotten to the point of equality yet as a society. People need patience, only time is going to fix our problems with discrimination. It's only been 90 years since women go the right to vote, that's not that long ago, we can't expect to change that fast. |
Where there is no imagination there is no horror. || Arthur Conan Doyle || Happy Halloween! |
| Nvm I came back. ataraxial said: Bostonblows said: Pretty sure you're all just getting trolled.....or trolling. Both, always. This. ataraxial said: As much as I find people who hypercorrect racism to be annoying Guess I'll just seppuku. mechaisntweeaboo said: At least I'm not contributing to it. All you can do is try to make others understand and do the right thing. People need patience, only time is going to fix our problems with discrimination. It's only been 90 years since women go the right to vote, that's not that long ago, we can't expect to change that fast. I'd say by telling people not to talk about it you're contributing to it. Not in a major way though, I suppose. I agree that it's a very slow and gradual process, but patience in politics/social issues is generally code for apathy. I'm not saying you condone this, but it leads to "chill out guys, we'll fix it later." 100 years later... "Should we like, start doing something?" "After another beer, dude." Suzune-chan said: . Your set is adorb, I now want watermelon. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| Two things happened after reading what happened ITT: I'm all complimented and what not because people think I'm interesting. But then this thread gave me cancer. |
lung-tao said: But then this thread gave me cancer. I pray for your speedy recovery. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Post-Josh said: mechaisntweeaboo said: This is the level of understand that needs to be applied to forms of discrimination, period. I remember when everyone heard this and realized Morgan Freeman wasn't very bright. More like, "Morgan Freeman on being a baka". t I see this post and i realize you aren't very bright. The guy is absolutely right. Not that i expected you and you "debt" theories to get what his talking about. People who think that he was saying we should allow and ignore it don't get it. hentai_proxy said: Post-Josh said: I still maintain that apathy is not a neutral course of action, but it's certainly better than being purposefully sexist. It's similar to the idea of false generosity, often talked about in regards to charity and welfare. Doing nothing anything to increase inequality may seem like a temporary improvement, but it doesn't attack the root of the problem and thus doesn't seek to actually solve anything. But neither I nor my moral positions condone or promote apathy. In fact I did promote positive action to reduce inequality. My problem with the notion of 'debt' comes purely from its ontological nature: you are a man, therefore you are in debt to women: an inarguably discriminatory statement, a label. Inequality exists and if someone feels that this situation is wrong or unfair, they should actively attack it in any way they can. What I am rejecting is the idea that action is obligatory because of your identity as a man. And as I said early on, if you are doing something out of obligation, because you have a 'debt to pay', rather than because you believe in it, better not do it at all. This is the true hypocrisy. Just like you said: people are not a priori responsible for what other people do, and I argued that inequality is also what other people do, a complex of actions; it is not an virtual, intractable field with which men interact by nature and spontaneously generates benefits (grins). That does not imply that it is fine if you don't do anything, it merely means that people are not a priori guilty. It is up to the individual to judge whether they are ok with the situation or not and take any actions to change it. Because of their own volition, not some moral scythe of obligation hanging over their heads. Dude stop trying to find a logic with a person who basically says that men shouldn't be equal(you got to love feminist) because they have to make up for the time they had more rights. This shows vindictiveness and hateful attitude that only makes the world worst. Talking with such a person is just a waste of you saliva. |
MonadJul 20, 2012 3:04 AM
Monad said: I see this post and i realize you aren't very bright. Do I have to bring back those quotes again Monad, or are you gonna recognise that this was uncalled for? Just because someone does not agree with you does not mean they are not bright. Monad said: Dude stop trying to find a logic with a person who basically says that men shouldn't be equal(you got to love feminist) because they have to make up for the time they had more rights. This shows vindictiveness and hateful attitude that only makes the world worst. Talking with such a person is just a waste of you saliva. If you are so convinced it is illogical, please demonstrate in what way it is illogical? Do you think that by stating that 'men and women will now be equals' this will suddenly become fact, or is it possible that actually achieving equality may require something more than just good intentions, and requires us to actually look at the way women are treated in the real world? |
| Losing an Argument online? Simply post a webpage full of links, and refuse to continue until your opponents have read every last one of them! WORKS EVERY TIME! "I was debating with someone who believed in climate change, when he linked me to a graph showing evidence to that effect. So I sent him a 10k word essay on the origins of Conservatism, and escaped with my dignity intact." "THANK YOU VERBOSE WEBPAGES OF QUESTIONABLE RELEVANCE!" |
mechaisntweeaboo said: Post-Josh said: lung-tao said: But then this thread gave me cancer. I pray for your speedy recovery. Wow you really change the tune of your whistle in the judgmental gaze of females, heh. You certainly don't, since almost every post you made in this thread was stupid. |
| "If you love someone Follow your heart Cause love comes once If you’re lucky enough" |
mechaisntweeaboo said: NicoleB said: mechaisntweeaboo said: Post-Josh said: lung-tao said: But then this thread gave me cancer. I pray for your speedy recovery. Wow you really change the tune of your whistle in the judgmental gaze of females, heh. You certainly don't, since almost every post you made in this thread was stupid. >If you are so convinced it is illogical, please demonstrate in what way it is illogical? I'm advocating the irrelevancy of a persons sex. You do realize he's being sexist in a positive way right? I'm keeping my dick in my pants, yes that makes me stupid. I wasn't referring to that post, but more than a few times, reading this thread, I felt like you made a really stupid post (like the sexism in games one, or how "its cause you complain about it, it exists") and that crap. |
| "If you love someone Follow your heart Cause love comes once If you’re lucky enough" |
mechaisntweeaboo said: @Monad: Yeah when I noticed he's advocating he's an economic major and acting like his opinion is better than anyone else I kinda stop taking him seriously :/ Personally I'm studying soci, and law and society so naturally this stuff comes up every term, but I simply have one opinion. A sociology student acting like an elitist about degree choice? Now that really is funny. |
| Losing an Argument online? Simply post a webpage full of links, and refuse to continue until your opponents have read every last one of them! WORKS EVERY TIME! "I was debating with someone who believed in climate change, when he linked me to a graph showing evidence to that effect. So I sent him a 10k word essay on the origins of Conservatism, and escaped with my dignity intact." "THANK YOU VERBOSE WEBPAGES OF QUESTIONABLE RELEVANCE!" |
yourelagginme said: The results of modern feminism. This. |
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AnnoKano said: Monad said: I see this post and i realize you aren't very bright. Do I have to bring back those quotes again Monad, or are you gonna recognise that this was uncalled for? Just because someone does not agree with you does not mean they are not bright. Monad said: Dude stop trying to find a logic with a person who basically says that men shouldn't be equal(you got to love feminist) because they have to make up for the time they had more rights. This shows vindictiveness and hateful attitude that only makes the world worst. Talking with such a person is just a waste of you saliva. If you are so convinced it is illogical, please demonstrate in what way it is illogical? Do you think that by stating that 'men and women will now be equals' this will suddenly become fact, or is it possible that actually achieving equality may require something more than just good intentions, and requires us to actually look at the way women are treated in the real world? Let me make something clear with you. I have answers and arguments to the things you raise but i have no indention on ever getting to a big debate with you for simple reasons that have nothing to with the lack of ability to answer. First you change the points raised to what you want to give impression to. Your second part answering to your second quote of me is a good example where you go completely irrelevant of my words so you can claim current inequality of women. Well nice and dandy but that's another subject and i prefer solving arguments one by one before opening new or just trying to put a lot of words like a politician so i won't seem like am losing in the basic points of an argument or reaching a dead end. Second is impossible for any person that does not posses unlimited time(like myself) and amazing persistence to get anywhere with you since you start quote sentence by sentence or even words so you can ignore the main argument but stick to details but most importantly make it an amazingly big pain in the ass to answer since you have to answer every little fucking quote and in the end just waste amazingly long time and end up just trying to defend yourself to every interpretation you make of every sentence. So i prefer limiting my interaction with you in more simple threads that do not require big debates and arguments on big subjects since i will never see the light of day and i will just stop because am gonna get too bored to answer to another quote crazy answer. No matter how you like going against the guy being wrong in the internet or brain inducive having an argument is, i have a clear limit to the worth of time spend in an internet thread that will end up forgotten in the dark corners of a site after a while. I guess that means you can claim you have absolute dominance of me in every big argument. So just enjoy your win. |
MonadJul 20, 2012 4:54 AM
| You guys are still at it? This is kinda getting out of hand. You're also hardly staying on topic anymore. It's always funny to read arguments like these because it seems to me that some people don't realise it's meaningless to argue if you're not gonna accept the other persons opinion anyways. You bring up your point of view while another person does the same thing and then it continues into a shitstorm. Why waste time on this. |
mechaisntweeaboo said: That's funny I think I'm the only person on this thread not to call anyone elses opinion stupid, or act like my opinion is the only correct one. You're not contributing anything to the conversation except making jabs at people you don't agree with without supporting them with any suggestions of your own. Sounds pretty hypocritical to me. Unless you're a fem study major I can't think of anything else that's more relevant. What's makes you so authoritative over other people's opinions? Do you realise that the only reason I brought academic snobbery into this, is because that is exactly what you did when you dismissed what Post-Josh said since he was an Economics major? Had you not done that, I would never have brought degree choice into this. I'm not a Women's Studies major, I'm a Civil Engineering student. |
| Losing an Argument online? Simply post a webpage full of links, and refuse to continue until your opponents have read every last one of them! WORKS EVERY TIME! "I was debating with someone who believed in climate change, when he linked me to a graph showing evidence to that effect. So I sent him a 10k word essay on the origins of Conservatism, and escaped with my dignity intact." "THANK YOU VERBOSE WEBPAGES OF QUESTIONABLE RELEVANCE!" |
Aiohri said: In my family, its reversed. My mom beats my dad and my dad does all of the work at home. Same goes with my sister, I don't know what to do. It's like we are slaves D: That sounds more comical that it should. |
| Mens go hunting, womens collect everything else needed to live and look after the childs. Thats how nature wanted it. Today? Woman want to be male, an the men get all sentimental and crossdress (OH GOD; WHY JUDAU, LAURA, ERDE? x.x). WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD? |
mechaisntweeaboo said: Post-Josh said: lung-tao said: But then this thread gave me cancer. I pray for your speedy recovery. Wow you really change the tune of your whistle in the judgmental gaze of females, heh. Is a guy not allowed to make a joke around here.... mechaisntweeaboo said: @Monad: Yeah when I noticed he's advocating he's an economic major and acting like his opinion is better than anyone else I kinda stop taking him seriously :/ Personally I'm studying soci, and law and society so naturally this stuff comes up every term, but I simply have one opinion. This has literally nothing to do with Economics, nor am I trying to make it that way. I have no reason to think my opinion is better, and I don't. Monad said: I see this post and i realize you aren't very bright. The guy is absolutely right. Not that i expected you and you "debt" theories to get what his talking about. People who think that he was saying we should allow and ignore it don't get it. Quel rude. Please tell me the difference between not talking about something and ignoring it. Vudis said: It's always funny to read arguments like these because it seems to me that some people don't realise it's meaningless to argue if you're not gonna accept the other persons opinion anyways. I think it's funny when someone says this, which someone always does. Discussion is never pointless, unless it's just back-and-forth flaming, which this has yet to turn into. While someone may not immediately "accept" a new opinion, they can still consider it, or use what they've learned to supplement their own view. It's not black and white. |
JoshJul 20, 2012 11:15 AM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
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