| I would have thought the better move would be to tell everyone where the PK'ers hideout is just before they go after weathermon. That would keep them busy while the fight with the big bad is happening. |
| Cursive is the future. - Nate Bargatze |
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Episode 14:
... Nothing happens.
Apparently Sunraku's VA got IRL married to Emul's VA though.
... Nothing happens.
Apparently Sunraku's VA got IRL married to Emul's VA though.
| @marklebid Really? That, uh, puts a weird spin on the character's relationship |
| Episode 14 Time for another break from the game as Sunraku goes back to BERP to have a sparring match against a rival who he has never lost to in Dragonfly. That crap game has gotten even crappier as there's a new glitch that Dragonfly manages to exploit. So after that, it's back to SLF, and to Rabituza to meet one of Emul's siblings in Elke. And then there's Pencilgon, who wants to crush Ashura Kai realizing that they will exploit the loopholes in the Wethermon fight. Not much happens here as it's just buildup towards the Wethermon raid, but before that there is Ashura Kai to deal with as they stand to get quite strong without playing the game the right way. |
| I've been really enjoying this one and i've had more than a few laugh out loud moments. Perhaps because im binging it, it hasn't felt like it dragged or anything. They were level 30 when the mission was suggested so its only natural for them to have to prepare. |
| Episode 15 The major update is here, and there's a lot of excitement around SLF. While Psyger-0 is eager to join the battle against Wethermon, she got word from Psyger-100 that Ashura Kai's secret hideout has been located, and she goes there to feal with them instead. The remnants led by Orcelott tried to escape by entering the place where Wethermon is, but they were blocked out as Sunraku's party is currently there fighting him realizing that Pencilgon is the one who betrayed them. While that's happening, Sunraku puts up a quite a fight against Wethermon, but is killed. However, Okatzo throws him a resurrection item as it turns out that Arthur cleaned the store out of them. That was quite the scheme that Pencilgon pulled off there, and knwoing that Wethermon is quite a tough opponent that the party will need every advantage they can get. |
| I can't unsee him and the rabbit as a couple now. Poor Attack Master doesn't have a chance. |
Reply to marklebid
@runec She's the only one allowed to ride Sunraku.
| @marklebid She needs to practice maintaining human form or the mechanics are going to be difficult. |
| Wow, they finally started to fight the big bad. I thought we might never reach this point. *sniffle* It's been a long road people... We had to endure a lot to get here... but we finally made it to the beginning of the end of the journey! (triumphant music kicks in) (ugh still getting that stupid error message) |
| Cursive is the future. - Nate Bargatze |
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Wow, they finally started to fight the big bad. I thought we might never reach this point. *sniffle* It's been a long road people... We had to endure a lot to get here... but we finally made it to the beginning of the end of the journey! (triumphant music kicks in)
(ugh still getting that stupid error message)
(ugh still getting that stupid error message)
| @zkeleton Considering the fight was prominent in the OP I'm worried about just how many episodes its going to drag on for. |
Reply to runec
@zkeleton Considering the fight was prominent in the OP I'm worried about just how many episodes its going to drag on for.
| @runec Considering it's a game. They don't have to win this time. Could have three to five episodes of fight only to have them Wipe at the end and have to wait for the next New Moon to try again. His head piece dose change in the OP after all |
| Seems like they're preparing for the most climactic moment of this chapter. Not only did it get delayed for a week, but this episode's character art quality was also not as impressive as its usual quality. But I'd take it if it meant that the most important climactic part would be an overall high-quality experience. |
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| Katzo laughing like a madman while strapped to the horse gave me a good laugh lol. |
| They wasted a lot of full health revives on Sanraku. Should've just used half ones for him since he'd always get OHKO'ed anyway if he does get hit. Also a shame he died and reset Pencilgon's million Mahni's worth of stat-boost. xD Katzo is the source of fun for this episode. The action was pretty good too. Great episode. |
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| This fight seems to be progressing at a good clip unless he has 11 Phases. |
| How did it take her this long to realize someone called Tombguard was undead? As soon as I heard the name I figured he must be undead. |
| Cursive is the future. - Nate Bargatze |
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How did it take her this long to realize someone called Tombguard was undead? As soon as I heard the name I figured he must be undead.
| @zkeleton Well, he is a guard of a tomb so Tombguard does fit even if he was alive. Also he looks like a Gundam so that is kind of a throw off. Still, undead = I need to throw a Saint's personal holy water on him to stop his phase 3 AoE attack isn't the obvious conclusion the show is making it out to be. |
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They wasted a lot of full health revives on Sanraku. Should've just used half ones for him since he'd always get OHKO'ed anyway if he does get hit. Also a shame he died and reset Pencilgon's million Mahni's worth of stat-boost. xD
Katzo is the source of fun for this episode. The action was pretty good too. Great episode.
Katzo is the source of fun for this episode. The action was pretty good too. Great episode.
| @Jozuwa-_- I think everything is a one shot for everyone lol. |
Reply to Xuhybrid
@Jozuwa-_- I think everything is a one shot for everyone lol.
| @Xuhybrid I thought the cone-shaped ones were supposed to be just a half-HP revive. But I guess it doesn't matter anyway since they've already depleted half of it and that didn't factor in at all xP |
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| Gotta agree, if everything is a 1 shot kill regardless and there is no DoT effects or incidental damage then how many HP you have is irrelevant. Use the Cheap ones first. |
| Episode 16 The battle against Wethermon continues as Sunraku and Okatzo continues to fight, while Pencilgon is supplying the revival items when they have taken a beating. After surviving for ten minutes, Wethermon mounts a horse and they need to prevent that from happening as his power just exponentially skyrockets when that happens. Thanks to Sunraku's luck and stamina going up during the battle that he steals Wethermon's sword. Pencilgon was quite prepared for just about anything, and seeing that she is a fashion model IRL that she's got the money to buy all these premium in-game items, but now comes the hard part as the battle rages on to the next phase that naturally is more difficult than the last. |
| Episode 17 And Sunraku is using his head. To parry with, that is. While he's battling Wethermon, Pencilgon and Katzo are dealing with the horse that has transforned into a mecha. Sunraku is landing critcal after critical, all while avoiding attacks. But the game did get an upgrade and so too are his moves. Thinks are not looking good there as that guy's new attacks are putting Sunraku on the ropes. And then there's Katzo using a technique that increases her abilities many fold, but with the side-effect of losing levels. The team will need to come up with a new plan, and fast. |
| The basic problem here is that I feel no sense of suspense despite all the action. They're just playing a video game. I might as well be watching someone's boss fight on Youtube. I had the same problem with Bofuri, but at least there was barely enough humor and cuteness to keep me going. I should have given up on this show early on. The animation and action are good, but I wish they had used those things on a better story. There just needs to be more humor, or a decent reason why I should care about what the characters are doing. I recently finished watching Gundam Build Divers, which was also about people playing a video game, but it had a plot I could enjoy. Strange bugs kept festering in the system, and a strange girl who was apparently an AI was hanging around with the protagonists. It turned out that both the girl and the game needed saving. Now, if some kind of decent plot does turn up in this show, they waited far too long to present it. |
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The basic problem here is that I feel no sense of suspense despite all the action. They're just playing a video game. I might as well be watching someone's boss fight on Youtube. I had the same problem with Bofuri, but at least there was barely enough humor and cuteness to keep me going. I should have given up on this show early on. The animation and action are good, but I wish they had used those things on a better story. There just needs to be more humor, or a decent reason why I should care about what the characters are doing.
I recently finished watching Gundam Build Divers, which was also about people playing a video game, but it had a plot I could enjoy. Strange bugs kept festering in the system, and a strange girl who was apparently an AI was hanging around with the protagonists. It turned out that both the girl and the game needed saving.
Now, if some kind of decent plot does turn up in this show, they waited far too long to present it.
I recently finished watching Gundam Build Divers, which was also about people playing a video game, but it had a plot I could enjoy. Strange bugs kept festering in the system, and a strange girl who was apparently an AI was hanging around with the protagonists. It turned out that both the girl and the game needed saving.
Now, if some kind of decent plot does turn up in this show, they waited far too long to present it.
| @RMikami It feels a bit weird to be complaining about it just being a game on episode 17. Really enjoyed the music this episode. I think both op's have had great music too. |
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@RMikami It feels a bit weird to be complaining about it just being a game on episode 17.
Really enjoyed the music this episode. I think both op's have had great music too.
Really enjoyed the music this episode. I think both op's have had great music too.
| @Xuhybrid Yes, but this boss fight really highlighted the problem for me. It could be an epic boss fight, but it has no impact for me. There's no particular need for them to fight it, there are no consequences if they lose, and they can build back up and try again later. It just seems like a waste of a good fight scene. |
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@Xuhybrid
Yes, but this boss fight really highlighted the problem for me. It could be an epic boss fight, but it has no impact for me. There's no particular need for them to fight it, there are no consequences if they lose, and they can build back up and try again later. It just seems like a waste of a good fight scene.
Yes, but this boss fight really highlighted the problem for me. It could be an epic boss fight, but it has no impact for me. There's no particular need for them to fight it, there are no consequences if they lose, and they can build back up and try again later. It just seems like a waste of a good fight scene.
| @RMikami That's not entirely true. The rewards for being the first to hunt a Unique. The challenge. It also only shows up on a particular day at a particular time. And there's also another guild who knows how to access it. Not to mention that if someone else beats it, the chance is gone forever. Also all the work they put in being paid off. I do understand where you're coming from, but i find a lot of meaning in games myself. |
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@Xuhybrid
Yes, but this boss fight really highlighted the problem for me. It could be an epic boss fight, but it has no impact for me. There's no particular need for them to fight it, there are no consequences if they lose, and they can build back up and try again later. It just seems like a waste of a good fight scene.
Yes, but this boss fight really highlighted the problem for me. It could be an epic boss fight, but it has no impact for me. There's no particular need for them to fight it, there are no consequences if they lose, and they can build back up and try again later. It just seems like a waste of a good fight scene.
| @RMikami It seems to be half way between an Elden Ring boss and an MMO Raid Boss where they could be aiming for a world first. But Pen seems to genuinely be motivated by an attachment to an NPC. Sunraku and Katsu are just in it for the challenge which, alright, fair enough but it's not a very compelling reason as like you said there are no stakes. Neither one of them seems motivated by the glory or fame either. Just the challenge. Like you said this is a problem with every game based anime. The stakes do not matter in any way, shape or form which leaves it on either a meta plot about the game's development (like it being used as an AI test bed like the forgettable show last season with the dude and his stupid shoes) or the development of character relationships IRL. This show doesn't even have either of those things and shows no indication it will ever develop those things. So yeah, this is all meaningless and I can understand it not making for a compelling watch. The action is pretty much the only draw. |
Reply to marklebid
Come on now. The real plot is that romance between Sunraku and that girl from his class nobody likes. Wait, is she even in his class?
| @marklebid Has she even shared more than 2 sentences with him IRL so far? |
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| @marklebid I love him so much I will make sure I never interact with him in any way, shape or form. She's going to start anonymously mailing him her hair. |
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@marklebid I love him so much I will make sure I never interact with him in any way, shape or form.
She's going to start anonymously mailing him her hair.
She's going to start anonymously mailing him her hair.
| @runec That little SLF mini bit at the end was like 'Diary of a Stalker'. If she was a male, she would already be in jail. |
| Why Pencilgon cast her scale buffs on Katzo instead of Sanraku when beating the main boss would likely automatically vanish the spawned horse minion as well anyway, I'll never know. Also, Sanraku's 1-minute self-buff probably went to waste after their mid-battle monologues xD |
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| Episode 18 The battle comes down to its climax as Sunraku has run out of revival tools, and just needs to figure out how to solve the Sky Clear attacks. While that's happening, Pencilgon is down to her last spears as the Kirin's armor is quite tough. But she found one place where the armor's much weaker than the rest, and focuses the attack there. So with Pencilgon putting everything into one last attack, she hits that spot, while Katzo finishes the Kirin. And as for Sunraku, there's just one problem with his plan as he can't activate Climax Boost since he's not quite down to 1/3 health, but luckily he can fix it by hitting himself as he has the power to bring his health down to 1 HP from a self-inflicted wound. And thus, Sunraku finishes the job with Climax Boost for the win. As this was the final phase of the battle that naturally there's lot so of tension and drama that went into it. |
| The finale to this battle was unbelievably sick! Also, "Don't nibble me there!" /facepalm |
| He did all that to get his timing perfectly right. Wouldn't that dagger to the eye that caused a delay mess up all his timing? Talk about overtuned. Are we sure this isn't a trash game? A boss like this would get a game review bombed. This all got pretty contrived considering how many circumstances had to come into perfect alignment to win the fight. When you're dealing with a show that is literally just a game you can't really pull things out of your ass because everything would be relentlessly documented online. |
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He did all that to get his timing perfectly right. Wouldn't that dagger to the eye that caused a delay mess up all his timing?
Talk about overtuned. Are we sure this isn't a trash game? A boss like this would get a game review bombed.
This all got pretty contrived considering how many circumstances had to come into perfect alignment to win the fight.
When you're dealing with a show that is literally just a game you can't really pull things out of your ass because everything would be relentlessly documented online.
Talk about overtuned. Are we sure this isn't a trash game? A boss like this would get a game review bombed.
This all got pretty contrived considering how many circumstances had to come into perfect alignment to win the fight.
When you're dealing with a show that is literally just a game you can't really pull things out of your ass because everything would be relentlessly documented online.
| @runec I think the difference here is that they are one of a kind monsters that exist to challenge the best of the best. A fair way to win the fight was built in this whole time, but it was intentionally obscured to add difficulty and was never meant to be beaten easily. Compared to a trash game where it's made intentionally unfair, with poor controls or glitchy unexpected behaviour, it's a big difference. I agree on the attack timing though tbf. |
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@runec I think the difference here is that they are one of a kind monsters that exist to challenge the best of the best. A fair way to win the fight was built in this whole time, but it was intentionally obscured to add difficulty and was never meant to be beaten easily. Compared to a trash game where it's made intentionally unfair, with poor controls or glitchy unexpected behaviour, it's a big difference.
I agree on the attack timing though tbf.
I agree on the attack timing though tbf.
| @Xuhybrid Was it really a fair way though? The money investment was massive to even begin to have a chance of surviving past a couple minutes. They used multiple rare items normally reserved for entire guilds that Arthur basically just got with her connections. To even get to the last phase you need to have 3 players with pixel perfecting parry/dodge to play full tilt for 20 minutes straight. Then to beat the final phase you need to have a miracle combination of millisecond perfect timing, equipment and class skills. Plus this fight was designed entirely towards melee dps classes. A caster or healer here would have died near instantly. Even a tank would be worthless because he instant gibs through any non-reflex based defense. Reflex based melee dps is the only class type that can fight him. It was the same with Lycagon. Sunraku was only able to survive him by dodging and perfect parry. According to the source material to earn the mark like Sunraku did you have to take no damage for 5 minutes while playing as a specific class type and land a certain number of critical hits. So it's straight up class restricted and you need to be agile melee dps to pull it off. The game seems designed around a very specific type of playstyle but it does have caster classes. What do the caster classes do without parry/dodge? |
| '"How convenient" fits this arc's conclusion very well. It's almost like they intentionally didn't explain everything fully so they could make things up later on (either that or I just didn't pay enough attention). Getting an advantage from the 'game update' was pretty clever, but I doubt that most viewers even took note of that one specific skill's cooldown, if it was even mentioned before at all. And finally, "Shadow Wedge"... man, that would've been a great help to Sanraku-- unless the Boss was immune to stun/constriction effects that is. BUT Nitpicks aside, Shonen Anime-wise, that was a pretty good action-packed episode and a good conclusion to the arc. Disregarding all the detail stuff, it was a satisfying arc. |
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marklebid said: Can't. The show has been dying to give stalker girl some screentime for some time now xDHell, there's still time for him to go phase 4. |
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| Now we know why he's named Weathermon with all those weather based attack names he had. The Sunraku/Weathermon fight was good, but the fight against the transformer horse was pretty meh. Also kind of weird that it would transform into such a clunky looking bipedal form if it's supposed to be this super advanced tech. Without knowing what kind of skills the other classes have it's hard to say that only a build like Sunraku's could defeat Weathermon. He had to use a combination of special abilities so it's possible that, with the right combination of abilities, there might be ways that some of the other classes/builds could defeat him too. Plus it seems like part of the purpose of the sidekick was so that you'd have to use multiple build types to win the fight. Just hope the drops are good. |
| Cursive is the future. - Nate Bargatze |
zkeleton said: Better be. Pencilgon spent so much in-game money and special items, and had to call for garbage game pros for backup. xDJust hope the drops are good. |
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Now we know why he's named Weathermon with all those weather based attack names he had.
The Sunraku/Weathermon fight was good, but the fight against the transformer horse was pretty meh. Also kind of weird that it would transform into such a clunky looking bipedal form if it's supposed to be this super advanced tech.
Without knowing what kind of skills the other classes have it's hard to say that only a build like Sunraku's could defeat Weathermon. He had to use a combination of special abilities so it's possible that, with the right combination of abilities, there might be ways that some of the other classes/builds could defeat him too. Plus it seems like part of the purpose of the sidekick was so that you'd have to use multiple build types to win the fight.
Just hope the drops are good.
The Sunraku/Weathermon fight was good, but the fight against the transformer horse was pretty meh. Also kind of weird that it would transform into such a clunky looking bipedal form if it's supposed to be this super advanced tech.
Without knowing what kind of skills the other classes have it's hard to say that only a build like Sunraku's could defeat Weathermon. He had to use a combination of special abilities so it's possible that, with the right combination of abilities, there might be ways that some of the other classes/builds could defeat him too. Plus it seems like part of the purpose of the sidekick was so that you'd have to use multiple build types to win the fight.
Just hope the drops are good.
| @zkeleton I don't know. Because he has arena wide AoE attacks even backline classes have to be able to dodge and dodge well if they even get dodge. If this is basically just Elden Ring the MMO then yeah, casters are going to be dodge rolling too. Though I really doubt any ranged classes get perfect parry. Plus Elden Ring caters to a really specific type of masochistic player. The game's skill ceiling seems absolutely ridiculous but it's floor likewise has to be pretty low. The shaman certainly wasn't any sort of twitch gamer and stalker girl definitely does not have Sunraku's skills yet she's known for having the highest burst damage in the game and feared by all. It's a weird dichotomy. I think this is actually the first time I've watched a game based anime and been kind of annoyed at how little about the actual game the show has demonstrated. We're only shown casters, tanks and archers briefly so we don't have much of an idea of how they play or where they fit into the game. While pretty much all the content we've been shown has required high skill twitch reflexes. It would help if the trash game trio wasn't so similar in playstyle. The group dynamics aren't that interesting when everyone is essentially doing the same thing with similar classes. |
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@Xuhybrid Was it really a fair way though? The money investment was massive to even begin to have a chance of surviving past a couple minutes. They used multiple rare items normally reserved for entire guilds that Arthur basically just got with her connections. To even get to the last phase you need to have 3 players with pixel perfecting parry/dodge to play full tilt for 20 minutes straight.
Then to beat the final phase you need to have a miracle combination of millisecond perfect timing, equipment and class skills.
Plus this fight was designed entirely towards melee dps classes. A caster or healer here would have died near instantly. Even a tank would be worthless because he instant gibs through any non-reflex based defense. Reflex based melee dps is the only class type that can fight him.
It was the same with Lycagon. Sunraku was only able to survive him by dodging and perfect parry. According to the source material to earn the mark like Sunraku did you have to take no damage for 5 minutes while playing as a specific class type and land a certain number of critical hits. So it's straight up class restricted and you need to be agile melee dps to pull it off.
The game seems designed around a very specific type of playstyle but it does have caster classes. What do the caster classes do without parry/dodge?
Then to beat the final phase you need to have a miracle combination of millisecond perfect timing, equipment and class skills.
Plus this fight was designed entirely towards melee dps classes. A caster or healer here would have died near instantly. Even a tank would be worthless because he instant gibs through any non-reflex based defense. Reflex based melee dps is the only class type that can fight him.
It was the same with Lycagon. Sunraku was only able to survive him by dodging and perfect parry. According to the source material to earn the mark like Sunraku did you have to take no damage for 5 minutes while playing as a specific class type and land a certain number of critical hits. So it's straight up class restricted and you need to be agile melee dps to pull it off.
The game seems designed around a very specific type of playstyle but it does have caster classes. What do the caster classes do without parry/dodge?
| @runec Sure, and it'd usually take a team many attempts to figure out every phase and mechanic. I think other classes/builds would be able to handle the more standard boss horse/mecha. If they were to try again, i think he could probably solo the boss without dying now, that he has all the patterns down. He only died during the move spam because of the ultimate that caps it off. |
| Man, it must be a bummer for casual gamers who bought SLF if the Unique Monsters vanishes after it gets cleared by pro gamers, just a little after the game was released. They don't even get to experience it (assuming that's what happened). When Setsuna (supposedly an in-game NPC) mentioned the trio-MCs' names like a normal human being, I imagined it happening in real life but with the names being wrongly pronounced by a default male TTS voice xD Psyger-0 aka MC's Waifu finally made official, longer contact with Sanraku and the MC crew. I'd expect the 2nd season to have lots of filler rom-com episodes which in a way, I'd appreciate since this season had a lot of slow-burn episodes to stretch things out. But it's too early to worry about that since there are still 6 episodes left which would likely involve at least Sanraku and Psyger-0, and the latter's sister clan leader, Psyger-100. Here's hoping for another-- hopefully at least 2 episodes of action-packed season finale. |
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