YayaChibi said:Cyborg_Icarus29 said:8
I agree about the good casting part but I still don't see how the FMA, steins gate, hellsing ultimate and space dandy dubs are bad. Both dubs were really well acted. You can't go wrong with a dub when you're working with excellent actors like Laura bailey, crispin freeman, J Tatum, Ian Sinclair and Troy Baker.
Of course the dubbing industry is fucked up, there isn't enough demand so why would companies give a shit and and spend a shit load of money on casting and such things? They are still able to put on some good dubs tho, modern dubs are far better acted, translated and directed than older dubs. at least they're good enough for the viewer who isn't studying voice acting and can't notice all the inconsistencies in acting.
"JP VA's usually make about 600,000" 6000000 dollars per year? The experienced ones or the majority? Lol so studious spend all their budgets on VAs?
"Why do you think most VA's become TV actors or singers lmao?" what the hell are you talking about? There are so many actors western actors working on video games, cartoons and anime dubs and many VAs make a lot of money (Troy Baker, Nolan North, Laura bailey) for example.
Laura Bailey is an amazing voice actress, but the rest you mentioned - they don't have the skill, but the voice. I really hope to see more from them too.
I didn't much of those things I see in basic voice acting in those shows, while I admit, they do have the characters they've done completed on point, like in Space Dandy, there are a lot of them who lack that,
Modern dubs have been better then the ones in the past, but a lot of them are really lacking still, with up to one character that has a fitting voice or proper acting, and in rare cases both.
Notice how you've listed voice actors with huge selections of roles to choose from? lol A lot of voice actors double over as another career, or have a part time/independent job, and so forth.
Companies usually don't blow of their cash on VA's, but they do abuse what they did with that money to the full extent, using them to record their lines along with songs, audio drama tracks, Q&A's and so forth that make a hella lot more money then the director of the show lol.
Jason_Funderberk said: You probably don't watch a lot of Western Cartoons. Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Bravest Warriors, Over the Garden Wall, and Gravity Falls are all great cartoons with overarching plots, and there are many episodic cartoons with great individual episode plots as well such as Invader ZIM, The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack, and We Bare Bears. Everyone may not like every one of these shows but they all have a lot of work and talent put into them and can stand up with some of the higher tier anime as well. There aren't as many western cartoons as anime though so there aren't as many gems, but the percenage of quality work is about the same, if not tipped more in the favor of western cartoons due to all of the crap that comes out each anime season.
Hmm...Steven Universe and Adventure Time started off really well, but declined after the recent episodes, but I can see where you are coming from with the others. With FlapJack and Invader ZIM I could argue against it, since the humor they use is over the top in some cases, and highly exaggerated to an uncomfortable extent for others, so you'd have to brush up on your case as well.
Remember, these are the shows which are inspired by multiple sources, and try to follow the theme of a caartoon. His/Her IDGAF what that user is, was arguing about western cartoons taking on the anime theme in their work, with these shows do not do.
I can agree with him too, as the "good" shows with a good story I can count on with 2 hands though lol.
Jason_Funderberk said:You forgot Ben 10 which is the BEST ANIME.
I have not the need for your shitty quality memes - return to me with better ones of increased quality and content. For Invader ZIM and Flapjack, it is a matter of personal taste as the comedy in those is based around making the viewer either uncomfortable or using satire. I did say that everyone might not like every show. Also I have to argue against you For Steven Universe, as I feel that the 4 episodes of season 5 have been some of the absolute best in the series as not only did they have quite a nice bit of world building, they also managed to fully redeem a character that I almost considered impossible to do so at this point. While Season 4 may have felt a little stagnant after the Human Zoo part due to nothing really happening, it was made more interesting after revealing the two new villains, and the 4 episodes of season 5 really delivered. I cannot speak for Adventure Time as I have not seen the most recent episodes, but I have seen a bit of a decline in the later seasons due to some in between episodes and the general comedy not being so great, but I think the story isn't bad. Lastly, for when they said anime like cartoons, I counted everything with an overarching plot as that is a pretty consistent thing in the medium of anime, while art style is not. Since most people who use this site are familiar with anime I thought that wouldn't be a problem woth confusion as most people who think of a definitive art style of anime usually don't watch it. Also for the Ben 10 joke I actually kinda like Ben 10 but I know it isn't the best, or close to the best, of what cartoons have to offer. Maybe Omniverse in the middle seasons but it suffers from the same plot holes that Alien Force and Ultimate Alien have later on, and science doesn't mean shit in Ben 10. But it was just a joke, not meant to be put directly next to my other post. For cartoons that have an "anime-esque" art style, Avatar is the only one that isn't heavily flawed in one aspect or another, it even has great animation. And Also when you said to return with better memes, my taste in comedy is really demented and uncomfortable because I grew up watching Flapjack and Invader ZIM, so here are 3 of my favorite jokes, but not my favorites as those are either REALLY LONG or would quickly lead to me getting banned for posting them. Actually, I can't think of any I wouldn't get banned for. Oh well, maybe I'll just share some of my favorite potential stand ideas for JoJo.
[I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO KILL MYSELF OR GO BOWLING]
This stand has the ability to instantly cause someone to either kill themselves or go bowling, it's random and totally broken as hell.
[TACO TUESDAY]
This stand has the ability to turn every vital organ someone has into tacos, but only on Tuesday. Also broken as hell.
[WHO'S GOT THE CRACK]
This stand... actually maybe I shouldn't share this one in public.
[PUMPED UP KICKS]
This... you know what nevermind. |
