ukonkivi said: I'm amazed at your patience, especially since I tend to ramble on.
Likewise :P (i.e. your patience, and my own tendency to go on and on. Had to clarify that, in case you think I'm amazed by my own patience XD)
I believe I've said way too much, so I'll hopefully wrap it up in this post, haha.
Really? I think that everyone has a type, and just doesn't realize it.
I'm one of those people who know exactly what I do NOT like in other people, but not so much what I like. Even then, they usually involve personality and mannerisms instead of physical attributes. And I'm aware, of course, types can very well be a certain type of personality, e.g. bad boys, but in response to your very precise and descriptive tier system, I must say my type is pretty much non-existent.
Of course, you may be right and I just need to figure it out myself, but at this point, I really don't know. I've been attracted to all sorts of men, and they don't really look the same or give off the same vibe, but they certainly don't swear constantly or do other things that I dislike. Oh well.
That's an interesting double standard you hold there.:/
We'll, you're certainly a bisexual if you think "anyone is good enough".
Oooh, you must've misunderstood. Nah, I was saying I could very well be accused of being someone for whom anyone's good enough, just because I don't have a type.
Uh, I've pretty much gone full circle, lookit:
- You tell me you can consider everyone sexual
- They may not necessarily be the first choice, but you can be attracted to them nonetheless
- (And yes, I know other factors must be taken into consideration)
- I say if I were your partner I'd be insecure knowing this, wondering if my next door neighbour can replace me just fine
- I, unlike you, don't have a 'most to least appealing' system
- Does this mean I'm even more likely to find anyone attractive?
- I know not just anyone will do
- An insecure partner may think otherwise, though
- I'm pretty much the pot calling the kettle black.
See? It's interesting what these discussions can do, haha...
So to reiterate, I do not have a type, but that doesn't mean anyone's fine. You do have many different types, from most appealing to least appealing, and as flexible as you are, for you too, not everyone's fine.
That's the logical view, but when in a relationship, logic often goes haywire.
I wouldn't consider this double standard, just my pathetic inability to exercise logic in a relationship.
What exactly is androgynous about Madonna?
Um, the ripped muscles look masculine and her face and hair look feminine. But yeah, certainly her demeanour and the way she carries herself is more feminine than 'neutral'.
Loads of people for some reason or another choose a well hated path.
True enough. The Nazi example, though, was that not the easy path? Anti-Nazis were mostly living in fear or in hiding. Most people who joined the Nazi did so to ensure their own safety and pretty much to be on the side of the big guys. As to how the first people joined the Nazi movement, I'm guessing it's a mixture of sympathising with Hitler's Jew-hating views and wanting to be part of the alternative movement. Once people realised how far he was willing to go the purge the Jews, I'm sure a lot of people got scared and stuck with it, not because they believed in him, but because they'd rather not be the one getting killed.
But yeah, I can't claim to know something when I don't. I am sure, though, that for the majority, living in peace is far more preferable than living in pain. And denying one's own being is probably a bigger pain than the pain of being taunted.
(ironically their Bible condones the rape of small children)
Er, the bible does? Um, yeah, I'd rather not know.
Ahaha, she's been about since before internet forums even existed.
See, this is one of those times when I feel stupid, but I'm instantly better now after remembering her ridiculous views XD
I think it's the juxtaposition of his kind personality and his epic strength.
...Makes me want to be held in his arms...
...So since people real life aren't as superpowered like that, a muscly guy would have to be really stylish and be cute and have adorable hair to contrast with the muscly manliness.
:) This made me smile and grin and my jaw's hurting now... Ah, 2D bishies :)
I'm sure there's someone like that in the real world, though... Oh yeah, I used to be into boybands when I was younger, and I used to be so into a group called Boyzone. If you're from America, you've probably never heard of them. Other than maybe being the first ever boyband member to come out as being gay.
Anyway, there was one particular member, the late Stephen Gately, who pretty much fits that criteria. He had a baby face, muscular body, and he was supposedly a really kind person.(And having been a fangirl for some years, I can assure you people didn't call him kind only after his death.)
So, keep looking for your Goku! ^^
Wait, you're not bisexual? Well, it's not like you're trying to be hypocritical, if that's even necessarily the proper word.
This makes me fascinated now, what is it you like more about males than females?
Eh, did I not mention it? I'm hetero, not bi.
And I guess I should've worded it a little clearer, but no, you never did make me feel like a hypocrite. My own logic brought me to the conclusion that I should feel like one.
What I mean is, I could give you a bunch of reasons why I find men attractive, both physical attributes as well as (stereotypical) behaviour and personality. If you were to present me with a female who fit every single criteria I ask for in a male partner, I still wouldn't be sexually attracted to that female. We could be best friends, sure, but I honestly couldn't look at her sexually. Thus, the hypocrisy.
And this is exacerbated by my obsession for the idea of pure, pure love. (Of course, love and sexual attraction are different, but bear with me for a bit.) And while yaoi isn't the best source of, er, anything really, some of my favourite titles involve this idea of how love transcends gender and that X loves Y purely because Y is Y, not because Y is a male or not a male, or because Y once saved him. Just pure and simple, inexplicable, illogical love.
How can I not feel like a hypocrite? I'm in love with this 'pure love' idea, but even if you gave me the female counterpart of my perfect male, I wouldn't be attracted to her :S
And just to go back a bit, as little as I agree I guess I can understand why you'd champion the nurture >>> nature idea. On the other hand, it's this kind of thing that makes me certain genetics is the major player, with experience playing a supporting role. (This kind of thing being how preference defies logic.)
You mentioned fetishism, and that in my opinion, is the kind of thing that is affected by your environment. I have a huge lingerie fetish, they're so pretty *.* I like them on myself, though, not on another female (or male). I mean, in spite of having a fetish for something that's worn by females, I'm not attracted to females. If my sexuality can so easily be altered by the environment, wouldn't I rather look at those pretty things on a pretty lady?
Probably not the best example, seeing that lingerie isn't exactly a body part, but it's supposed to be worn at any rate.
I'll shut up now before you bash my head in :P |