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The art is terrific, I love the slow pace, there's none of the normal drama in romance stories: rivals, exaggerated misunderstandings & etc.

But most of all: character development! All 6 primary characters get it. Not a lot for most, but it's slow and natural & realistic.
These are just kids, 1st year in high school or 2nd? And they act like kids too! But they are growing up as the episodes go by. It's never "spelled out" or artificially has attention shown to it, which I find adds to the charm.
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The art is terrific, I love the slow pace, there's none of the normal drama in romance stories: rivals, exaggerated misunderstandings & etc.

But most of all: character development! All 6 primary characters get it. Not a lot for most, but it's slow and natural & realistic.
These are just kids, 1st year in high school or 2nd? And they act like kids too! But they are growing up as the episodes go by. It's never "spelled out" or artificially has attention shown to it, which I find adds to the charm.
@5Cats I feel exactly the opposite lol. For me the characters feel too artificial and unrealistic. They act like kids? What kind of kid is so open about their feelings and ask for forgiveness from their friends for every little detail in their lives, like, not wanting to talk about something? If they acted like kids, like the kids I know, they would be loud and annoying, they would be making spicy jokes, they wouldn't care about their academic performances... Idk, everything they do in this show makes me think of an overly dramatic adult, not at all an adolescent.
The only character that I feel a bit more "natural" is Subaru, as I can see the way she acts as proper from a depressed adolescent... but frankly, I fail to understand why she is so depressed, like, a random kid told her he didn't like her hair colour 10 years ago... and... that's it?
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@5Cats I feel exactly the opposite lol. For me the characters feel too artificial and unrealistic. They act like kids? What kind of kid is so open about their feelings and ask for forgiveness from their friends for every little detail in their lives, like, not wanting to talk about something? If they acted like kids, like the kids I know, they would be loud and annoying, they would be making spicy jokes, they wouldn't care about their academic performances... Idk, everything they do in this show makes me think of an overly dramatic adult, not at all an adolescent.
The only character that I feel a bit more "natural" is Subaru, as I can see the way she acts as proper from a depressed adolescent... but frankly, I fail to understand why she is so depressed, like, a random kid told her he didn't like her hair colour 10 years ago... and... that's it?
@PurpleMario Subaru is depressed because she really loves Waguri and possibly thinks of herself as a lesbian although very much I doubt she is. That would cause major depression, since Waguri is 100% het. ( I ship Subaru and Ayato Yorita, although Saku may be the most obvious choice)

The boys in the show mess around with each other quite a bit. Nothing out of place there.

Highschool kids "don't care" about test results? News to me! And there was the added pressure of not being allowed to participate in sports day if they failed, too. So normally they wouldn't, but that drove them to care. That teacher was no slacker, eh?

Rintaru IS far too serious for a young person! But that's who he is, he's been that way since he was very small.

Think of the anime (any high school anime!) as "snapshots" of their lives. The daily grind of BORING stuff is not shown, it would take up 7-8 episodes out of 12! No one needs to re-live that! (shudder) A good story shows the interesting parts! Good OR bad, or both, depending on the story. Here we get to see the parts where the 6 of them learn and grow together. 10/10 from me!
It ranks up there with, although is completely different from, Toradora. More recently Honey Lemon Soda or Skip to Loafer too.
Cheers!
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@PurpleMario Subaru is depressed because she really loves Waguri and possibly thinks of herself as a lesbian although very much I doubt she is. That would cause major depression, since Waguri is 100% het. ( I ship Subaru and Ayato Yorita, although Saku may be the most obvious choice)

The boys in the show mess around with each other quite a bit. Nothing out of place there.

Highschool kids "don't care" about test results? News to me! And there was the added pressure of not being allowed to participate in sports day if they failed, too. So normally they wouldn't, but that drove them to care. That teacher was no slacker, eh?

Rintaru IS far too serious for a young person! But that's who he is, he's been that way since he was very small.

Think of the anime (any high school anime!) as "snapshots" of their lives. The daily grind of BORING stuff is not shown, it would take up 7-8 episodes out of 12! No one needs to re-live that! (shudder) A good story shows the interesting parts! Good OR bad, or both, depending on the story. Here we get to see the parts where the 6 of them learn and grow together. 10/10 from me!
It ranks up there with, although is completely different from, Toradora. More recently Honey Lemon Soda or Skip to Loafer too.
Cheers!
@5Cats I do think that Subaru might be lesbian, and I think it would be far more interesting if she actually was (tho it would remind me too much to Araburu Kisetsu), but I don't think the author will be brave enough to do that (I hope I'm wrong). I kinda see a forced ship between she and one of the other guys (I hope I'm wrong, again). But that was not the explanation they give us to why Subaru was struggling so much. In fact, it was quite explicitly said that Subaru was depressed for how much she loved/cared about Kaoruko because of how she protected her when they were childs, and because she somehow felt too selfish because of that. It was so overly dramatic, that the problem with Subaru might be summarized as she being too gentle. I had to rewatch eps 4 and 6 because I doubted my own memory, thinking I was misremembering it, but no, that's exactly how things were.
In Subaru's own words: "I'm just the worst. After I spoke with Tsumugi-kun I spent every day fearful that he may have told her. I was anxious the whole time. As I was worrying about the fact that nothing was happening I realized Tsumugi-kun didn't tell Kaoruko about our conversation. And that's when a thought popped into my head. What if Tsumugi-kun never told her? If he kept quiet aboout it, then maybe Kaoruko would never come to hate me. But once I noticed this stain on me, it kept on growing. The guilt made it hard to even breathe [...] I wanted to get this weight off my chest. I'm such a devious person. And what's most unforgivable is that when Kaoruko didn't blame me, I felt genuinely relieved."
Like, jesus girl, why do you hate yourself so much? The whole drama with Subaru is that she thinks she doesn't deserved to be happy. And yes, I know that's a common trait in people with depression, but they never gave us any convincing reason of why she is sooooo depressed. It would only make a bit of sense if she was deeply in love with Kaoruko and trying to repress her own feelings (tho it would remind me too much to Hikaru ga Shinda Natsu), but as I said, that doesn't seem to be the case. Still, Subaru is by far my favourite character in this series, because even with that many flaws and unjustified dramatism, is the most interesting one.

About how much the boys mess with each other, Idk maybe is just a cultural thing, but in my school whenever there were rumors about one guy liking one girl, we would bring the topic on and on just to make fun of him. I never knew of any adolescent that's so caring and supportive of his classmates, not even his close friends. I just don't feel that "youth energy" on Kaoru Hana characters. And yeah, I never knew any adolescent that actually cared about test. And if you're telling me that Chidori students in particular are practilly all yankis, then it makes even less sense. And sports day thing sounds like a pretty lame excuse to me, as if they couldn't just play baseball any day. But again, maybe is a cultural thing, maybe in japan even scums like Chidori students care about test results, Idk. It just feels too far from the reality I lived at that age and that's why I can't connect with it.

Of course I know that the show has to skip the boring parts of every day life, but I think that if you just skip to the dramatic parts, then "character growth" feels a bit shallow. For me, the biggest flaw of Kaoru Hana is that "it started too late". Let me explain, we were told that Rintarou was kind of a somber guy, who always felt detached from society because of how he looked, and he didn't have friends, neither felt loved by his family... but it wasn't like that at all! Since the beggining they show us how supportive his parents are, how much he is loved not only by his close three friends, but by his whole classmates, and more importantly, how kind he was. It was never justified that Rintarou felt the way he felt. If the show started with Rintarou as a child, and we were shown how much he suffered for looking too intimidating, how much he struggled to make friends, anything that made us think he had actual problems, and how he learned to overcome them and became this type of kind-giant, then introduce Kaoruko after 2 or 3 episodes of building our protagonist, I would be so satisfied that Rintarou found his place in the world, and people who love and care for him. Nothing of that happened, and that's why every thought of Rintarou about how "miserable" he was and how much he appreciate his current situation... it just feels empty to me. There's literally no character development, because they skipped it. A 12 episode exposition of a character saying "I care so much about my friends" is not character development.

Now, I do understand why people like this show, because it's wholesome, it's cute, it's pretty, it's warm, call it whatever you like... but narrative and character wise, it's pretty mediocre. (and the part that I liked the most, was completely demolished in the last episode lol). For me, just because of CloverWorks doing the prettiest animation you can imagine as always, it is a 6/10.
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