just started this and the plot holes are so big it's unbearable

TheUnkovvn said:
There is a lot of things before he became OP in season 1, the anime just cụt all of it away, there are more details about it in the LN

Toxic_Hollow said:
even traps 1 hit high mobs in games. makes sense he pitfalled. idk environmental hazard dbs bonus.

Kintarovirusx said:
yeah pitfalls and earth magic can be strong, since he is able to use them why is he labeled as useless and not suitable for combat? that makes no sense

Kintarovirusx said:
if u read what i wrote u would know that iidc about him being op

i care about him being labeled as the weakest then holding back the boss that at the lowest level reached

i care about the knight being so useless against the boss in floor 65 and being able to protect all the students for the 64 floors above

i care about him while being the weakest being able to kill monsters that he himself called stronger than the behemote that everybody else was useless against

CrappyGamer2021 said:
Who has earth magic lol? Defo ain’t the MC if that’s who ur trying to talk about

Kintarovirusx said:
he just changes the shape of the earth constantly and creates a tunnel while blocking his route to escape from the beast

Deane said:
1. You’re completely right on this one. It seems in this world synergist magic was more seen as blacksmithing stuff. I guess no one thought of using it the way he did? I agree, it makes no sense.

2. Monsters don’t respawn immediately. The harder and more dangerous floors were still empty when they returned. Also, if you pay attention to episode 12, there was a teleport circle where Meld was - that circle went from floor 70 to floor 30.

3. He basically made traps, and just kept hitting the monsters until they died while they couldn’t hit him back (think of something like cheesing a game encounter). Lots of luck involved, but not really a ‘plot hole’.

He didn’t die when he ate monster meat because he was under a source of Ambrosia, which constantly kept him alive. Ambrosia doesn’t stop you from feeling pain or hunger, it only stops you from dying - so his body got destroyed from the inside time and time again without him dying until his body “adapted”.

It may sound like bullshit, and it’s very forced, but they’re not really plotholes (except for maybe number 1), just things that were skipped in the anime adaptation.

CrappyGamer2021 said:
yes, he’s an alchemist that’s how he’s able to make weapons and such, being able to manipulate earth is easy for him. Just because he can manipulate earth doesn’t mean he has earth magic

Kintarovirusx said:
so in what way is that not earth magic?
and even considering it's not how is is it inferior to earth magic? and how is it not suitable for fighting in the same way earth magic is?

CrappyGamer2021 said:
it’s not earth magic cos earth magic means u can manipulate it at will and create it at will, he can’t do that, he can only reshape an object that’s how he’s able to make his gun and his arm. And I’m guessing that they say it isn’t suitable for magic as alchemy has always been weak unless it’s used correctly

Kintarovirusx said:

except he does shape it at will ???????
i mean opening a tunnel then closing it behind himself seems to be some fine control for me, especially when he has such a low level

u don't need to create earth at will for it to be earth magic, i can't remember any series with a earth mage creating earth, attribute magic can be just manipulation of the elements

and the create at will part is totally useless in earth magic especially, unless he reaches a place with no earth there's not gonna be a problem with just manipulation so it won't be any weaker and considered useless like they used to call him

"he can only reshape an object that’s how he’s able to make his gun and his arm. And I’m guessing that they say it isn’t suitable for magic as alchemy has always been weak unless it’s used correctly" i don't understand the point of this, are you trying to further highlight how it's more op than regular earth magic? and can be used for more purposes

CrappyGamer2021 said:
BRO IT AINT EARTH MAGIC WHAT DONT U UNDERSTAND ITS ALCHEMY HES EVEN CALLED AN ALCHEMIST IN THE ANIME!. Also it’s he’s considered weak with it as he’s got the basic alchemy knowledge that any craftsman could have. Just google it

Kintarovirusx said:


bro he even says his specialty is controlling the earth when fighting the scorpion who is using earth magic come on

even if u wanna deny it's earth magic u can't deny it has the same abilities as earth magic plus other op abilities

it's earth magic given a different name and then they called him weak while it's pretty op and that's the idiocy and plot hole in the series

try to understand what i'm saying man

"HES EVEN CALLED AN ALCHEMIST IN THE ANIME!" so alchemists don't use attribute magic? alchemy isn't an attribute of magic it's a way of usage

CrappyGamer2021 said:
omfg he manipulated the earth for 2 eps that don’t mean he uses earth magic he never manipulates the earth after that, if it was so op y doesn’t he always use it? Because he can’t use it for offence that’s y he has made only holes

Kintarovirusx said:

OMFG don't u think before u speak
he can and did manipulate the earth that's earth magic it's not something that can be argued against

"Because he can’t use it for offence that’s y he has made only holes"

first if it can't be used for offense it's useless? in what universe was the earth magician not a tank? earth magic is always used for defense

second it's op and and even though it's optimized for defense it can be used for offense in so many ways, those holes u mentioned are the most basic ones of them which must be pretty powerful since they killed monsters that deep in the dungeon


he doesn't use it since he gained much more op skills he doesn't need to, he gained faster higher damage spells and i'm sure he will gain better defense

"omfg he manipulated the earth for 2 eps" i'm still early in the series but he creates defenses with it regularly up until now

but supposing he stops using it later that won't be because it's not op the sole reason for that would be bad writing

Kintarovirusx said:
bro u need to learn to read.......................................

CrappyGamer2021 said:
bro he isn’t an earth mage what dont u understand he’s a fcking alchemist he may be able to manipulate the earth but that doesn’t make him an earth mage

CrappyGamer2021 said:
so do u cos that isn’t earth magic it’s alchemy. Basically saying every Alchemist from Full Metal Alchemist can use earth magic, metal magic and all the other elements of magic

Kintarovirusx said:
ok it's not earth magic it's much more op than earth magic , it can do the same stuff and more happy now???
that just makes it a bigger plot hole to call it useless

CrappyGamer2021 said:
ur right it is more op than earth magic as it’s fking alchemy, ur basically saying every Alchemist from FMA can use earth magic

CrappyGamer2021 said:
omfg he manipulated the earth for 2 eps that don’t mean he uses earth magic he never manipulates the earth after that, if it was so op y doesn’t he always use it? Because he can’t use it for offence that’s y he has made only holes

Kintarovirusx said:

1.we agree of the first so that's good

2.that makes sense had they cleared the way up to the 65 floor but they had been teleported to it that means those floors were never emptied

3.yeah he made traps but a 7- level trap being able to kill a 65+ floor monster is a implausible and that same level 7 being able to run away from said monster is implausible as well, he couldn't hold back the behemoth on floor 65 but could hold back the monster who ate his arm? where's the logic in that , his performance before and after falling is totally inconsistent

"He didn’t die when he ate monster meat because he was under a source of Ambrosia, which constantly kept him alive. Ambrosia doesn’t stop you from feeling pain or hunger, it only stops you from dying - so his body got destroyed from the inside time and time again without him dying until his body “adapted” that's obvious although completely forced there's no problem here and that's why i didn't mention it all instances i mentioned were from before his power up
like i said i'm not talking about those incredibly forced nor anything that sounds like bs
i'm not even talking about unexplained stuff
i'm talking about stuff within the anime that contradict each other and those are plot holes

Render_1 said:
this show is absolutely trash, but I still find it enjoyable, if you can't bear it just give up, it doesn't get better lol

Kintarovirusx said:
i came into this show expecting and desiring absolute trash
i wanted unreasonable power up to the level of fairy tail and cheats like in another world with my phone
i was in the feeling for some edge as well
but at least i want the story to have a little bit of consistency this was very disappointing
it being trash doesn't absolve it of having plot hole

Deane said:


Oh I’m sorry, I confused what time of the story you were talking about on number 2. Yeah, they didn’t clear up to the 65th floor, you’re 100% correct. That really is a plothole.

Regarding number 3: he made things like pitfalls, and then made the walls of the hole stab the monsters while he stabbed them from above - things like that. Yeah, it’s very improbable, but with enough time even those monsters would die.
The only explanation for him being able to kill the bear is that it underestimated him and his guns are very strong. Not very convincing, I know.

I completely get where you’re coming from. To be honest, this show isn’t watchable without some intense suspension of disbelief.

Render_1 said:


I don't think these are trash, but if you haven't seen them maybe check out BOFURI or cautious hero (on mobile, sorry for not checking your list first), both are OP isekai, but aren't edgy

Kintarovirusx said:
this is growing on me little by little though
i just wish the writer put a little more effort into the beginning instead of half-assing it so that it makes sense
it seems like the author knew he wanted to make a trash edgy story and didn't care about the rest, but the middle trash edgy is done well and is quite enjoyable

Deane said:
1. You’re completely right on this one. It seems in this world synergist magic was more seen as blacksmithing stuff. I guess no one thought of using it the way he did? I agree, it makes no sense.

2. Monsters don’t respawn immediately. The harder and more dangerous floors were still empty when they returned. Also, if you pay attention to episode 12, there was a teleport circle where Meld was - that circle went from floor 70 to floor 30.

3. He basically made traps, and just kept hitting the monsters until they died while they couldn’t hit him back (think of something like cheesing a game encounter). Lots of luck involved, but not really a ‘plot hole’.

He didn’t die when he ate monster meat because he was under a source of Ambrosia, which constantly kept him alive. Ambrosia doesn’t stop you from feeling pain or hunger, it only stops you from dying - so his body got destroyed from the inside time and time again without him dying until his body “adapted”.

It may sound like bullshit, and it’s very forced, but they’re not really plotholes (except for maybe number 1), just things that were skipped in the anime adaptation.

Doominati said:


Couldn't agree more, and indeed the job synergist is more related to molding materials, it was just because he got some skill which allowed him to manipulate mana directly was he able to make much larger changes in terrain and stuff which makes it seem like it's earth magic (there was some shit about magic circles and stuff in the manga but I don't really remember but mc basically got a skill to skip that process or something)

Emillian said:
people really apply logic and common sense to arifureta?...cmon man

Kintarovirusx said:
i wanna say fair enough but rather than common sense i just basic consistency only
the "useless" not suitable for fighting one holding back the boss or killing stronger monsters before the power up is too much

Emillian said:

I honestly dropped the first season of this at episode 5 because of how eye-rolling and low quality but also full of sexual bs everything was (cuz I hate that blonde bish because almost everything in the show that has sexual tendencies is more or less linked with her and she just feels like a portable hooker at this point and the fact that she solves almost every situation magically because *hurr durr* she s a powerful a$$ vampire feels so pathetic from a writing and progression standpoint) Now I'm watching this with someone else for the lolz but I don't see anyone watching this show unironically thinking is actually good but at least I would respect the opinion that is enjoyable.

Kintarovirusx said:
so u hate trash show?
i have to say for a power fantasy trash show this is great as it know what it is and does it well, if only the writer put a little effort into the beginning as well

but in the end nobody was talking about this so idk where u came from

this was just about the plot holes and inconstancies in the story

DV1985 said:
if you want to know the reasoning to most of your questions, just go watch AniNews on YouTube. he explains it better than I ever could as to why he can do these things.

DV1985 said:
1, because he WAS unsuitable for combat. His synergist class was common and had no combat effectiveness.

2, they found the portal to lead them back to the surface, this portal is shown in episode 12/13 of season 1.

3, he made a gun. I don't care how strong you are. If you shoot something in the brain you die. Also, if you looked at his stats when he levelled up he gained tremendous stats. He was as strong as the hero class and monk class (can't remember their names) plus his new mana manipulation and lightning field from the wolf monsters.

Kintarovirusx said:

1- it's not unsuitable for combat at all that's the whole point

2-the portal isn't at that floor if u had paid attention while watching the series u would know

3-before making the gun or leveling up ( i said it 100 times i'm talking before the power up if only people would read)

one minute he is the trash who can't fight, the next he is able to block the behemoth by his earth magic then he falls and uses defense earth magic strong enough to stop the beast who is supposedly way stronger from the behemoth from killing him

and the party who couldn't even retreat on floor 65 is magically able to reach the surface with no problems after exhausting themselves and while carrying an unconscious priest

arvin_1219 said:
bruh that was not earth magic. Hajime don't have affinity to earth magic and he just simply changes the shape of the earth.

Geomancer is the job that has a very high affinity to earth magic and considered an "earth mage"

From volume 4 of the LNs :

Geomancers’ affinity with earth magic generally extended to directly controlling the earth, not shaping and molding it like Synergists did. Because of that, precise work such as this was difficult for them. They could open giant cracks in the earth, send boulders flying, make spears out of the ground, and if they were strong enough, even petrify foes and create golems, but separating out specific minerals from alloys, fusing them together, and creating new objects with things that fell under the “earth” category was the sole domain of Synergists.
So while it was easy for a Geomancer to make a huge hole in the wall, doing something precise like then covering that hole up with earth that looked just like the wall around it was almost impossible.

DV1985 said:


1, it was unsuitable for combat. The anime stated this a few times in the first or second episode

2, I never said it was on the same floor, it was however on the few floors above the behemoth, 65 was the max floor anyone had reached, they knew what floor it was, so we can surmise captain meld had been to that floor, HE was strong enough to be there, and so were the heroes, as they were as strong as Meld if not more so. Don't forget they had an assassin with shadow skills to hide and search for the portal they KNEW was there as Meld had been there before.

3, no one said earth magic was useless. Synergist skills are useless for combat. It's just how Hajime used those abilities that made them useful in that situation. The fact that its so situational makes it useless. Earth magic however isn't useless. As the giant magic absorbing scorpion showed us.
Remember he's not using earth magic to block the behemoth he's using synergist skills to reform the bridge and create a shield.
I'm not sure what you mean they couldn't retreat on floor 65, they blew the bridge up, behemoth and Hajime with it. They retreated fine

Kintarovirusx said:

bruh that wasn't earth magic
it was earth magic plus where u can do the same stuff as earth magic with better control
it's even better and in no way unsuitable for combat

Kintarovirusx said:
sigh...…..
if u read the post u would know i'm not asking why he can do those things
1) i'm asking why although he can do those things he was called useless and unsuitable for combat
2) how did the class go back up to surface so easily after he fell
3) how were such lvl 7 skills able to save him from the monsters and even enabled killing him, i get he had op earth magic but a floor 65+ monster should be able to destroy it easily and kill him afterwards with the same slash, the deeper floor monster being unable to destroy his lvl 7 defense but the weaker higher floor monster destroying everything is nonsense