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Apr 22, 2017 1:05 PM
#1451
Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: Qoco said: Qoco said: Jackrito said: It has been a full day now and alot of people are still not voting or even posting, Ruu Quco and Rosie for example may as well not even be playing at this point. Also lamb is never on for weekends so won't see him for a while either. I can't read people who are not there, all this inactivity just creates a good scum environment since they are so many possible mislynches. It helps if people mention me with specific questions. I mean good questions, no dumb demands, or crappy, pretending-to-look-good-questions, like "what do you think of the game so far?" That's one thing that triggers me. When people try to take advantage of the situation that you're in, and they throw a vague ass question at you, to make you look bad, and in return, make them look good. Not saying that others should play the game for me either. Just saiyan that if you want information so badly, there's a way to communicate >:D Ive always wanted to point that out too but i felt like i would jsut get instantly scum read Yet again you act way too self aware of how others will read you. Being aware of how other players will read you is not strictly bad. I keep close tabs on how I think I should appear so that I can tell if someone is making up a townread on me. Scum used to like giving me easy townreads, now it seems I struggle to get a townread from anyone, so it hasn't helped as much. That said, I do agree that the cases you have mentioned it regarding Shinichi, like this one, are cause for concern. It seems too paranoid and focused mostly on not being scumread rahter than just keeping tabs on their own position in the thread. |
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Apr 22, 2017 1:05 PM
#1452
Qoco said: honestly this is the funniest thing I have seen all day.Because I'm thinking while responding to the countless quotes and mentions that I have sitting in my notifications. Here, I'll do you one. Change Vote: Oyasumi_Rosie Who's questions are more annoying? Mine, Logics, or Jacks? :3c |
Apr 22, 2017 1:07 PM
#1453
Qoco said: Shinichi-Kun said: Qoco said: Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: Okay I missed @Qoco posting while working on my posts. Also they apparenlty took like 45 minutes.... Uggh I'm slow Qoco: do you really think there is a jester in a game with a TPR converter? It's not that I think there is a Jester. The way she is playing is reminiscent of a Jester. Jesters play to get lynched. The goal is to gather up votes, and die. I don't know if the end-goal of Ruu is to die, but I feel that they're wanting to gather up votes for something. Maybe they play Jester-like, to throw people off, and make them think that they're a Jester, but they're really not. Maybe it's a distraction to take away eyes from something bigger. I don't know. I think I know what they're doing, but I don't know why. Anything outside of a killing tpr is possible, basically another tpr with a simple win con is possible. So in all honesty having a jester makes sense. They could also be a traitor trying to let scums know that they're a traitor. I played as a traitor once, and I knew who all the scums were, but they didn't know who I was. I was still a Townie though. I just had to help them out. I don't think Ruu is playing as Aux evil here. It is too risky of a play for someone who the scum wouldn't know not to lynch. |
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Apr 22, 2017 1:07 PM
#1454
Grapefruit21 said: @Qoco or I could just lynch the player who claimed miller, was scummy, and has lurked today out. You can vote them out but if you're the only one voting then it's not much of a lynch lmfao |
Apr 22, 2017 1:07 PM
#1455
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Jackrito said: yeah and isn't everyone? This is a game where looking and acting a certain way gets you killed.Shinichi-Kun said: Qoco said: Qoco said: Jackrito said: It has been a full day now and alot of people are still not voting or even posting, Ruu Quco and Rosie for example may as well not even be playing at this point. Also lamb is never on for weekends so won't see him for a while either. I can't read people who are not there, all this inactivity just creates a good scum environment since they are so many possible mislynches. It helps if people mention me with specific questions. I mean good questions, no dumb demands, or crappy, pretending-to-look-good-questions, like "what do you think of the game so far?" That's one thing that triggers me. When people try to take advantage of the situation that you're in, and they throw a vague ass question at you, to make you look bad, and in return, make them look good. Not saying that others should play the game for me either. Just saiyan that if you want information so badly, there's a way to communicate >:D Ive always wanted to point that out too but i felt like i would jsut get instantly scum read Yet again you act way too self aware of how others will read you. Maybe this is just me but, scum are more aware of this because they have to act it a normal town can do it naturally, it is one of the big issues for scum players to act townie. |
Apr 22, 2017 1:10 PM
#1456
| Does anyone have an idea what the current vote count looks like? |
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Apr 22, 2017 1:11 PM
#1457
Jackrito said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: Qoco said: Qoco said: Jackrito said: It has been a full day now and alot of people are still not voting or even posting, Ruu Quco and Rosie for example may as well not even be playing at this point. Also lamb is never on for weekends so won't see him for a while either. I can't read people who are not there, all this inactivity just creates a good scum environment since they are so many possible mislynches. It helps if people mention me with specific questions. I mean good questions, no dumb demands, or crappy, pretending-to-look-good-questions, like "what do you think of the game so far?" That's one thing that triggers me. When people try to take advantage of the situation that you're in, and they throw a vague ass question at you, to make you look bad, and in return, make them look good. Not saying that others should play the game for me either. Just saiyan that if you want information so badly, there's a way to communicate >:D Ive always wanted to point that out too but i felt like i would jsut get instantly scum read Yet again you act way too self aware of how others will read you. Maybe this is just me but, scum are more aware of this because they have to act it a normal town can do it naturally, it is one of the big issues for scum players to act townie. Maybe. Or they know that even when town, certain players will always reading actions from them as scummy. It's a really weak tell if anything. Also, Shinichi brought it up himself. Scum would try hide the fact that they are trying to appear town. |
Apr 22, 2017 1:12 PM
#1458
PentaFlare said: all I know is I have at least two votedDoes anyone have an idea what the current vote count looks like? |
Apr 22, 2017 1:12 PM
#1459
| Not sure how I feel on the Rosie train that is slowly building they are not a town read for me but neither a scum, I like how they are playing a bit better today since I sense them trying to work the game out a bit more. |
Apr 22, 2017 1:15 PM
#1460
PentaFlare said: Does anyone have an idea what the current vote count looks like? No idea at a guess I think Grape is winning, not really aganist that lynch as said before but not really a strong read for me. tbh I'm at a bit of a loss on what to do people I'm thinking on atm are Shinichi, Ruu and Quco. Karote is still pretty high up but got a bit better and so is Grape but that is more off your case then my own feelings. |
Apr 22, 2017 1:16 PM
#1461
Jackrito said: ones a pressure vote, the other is peeved. Like i said before, the more o try and solve the game, the scummier I look. I am not worried about it though.If they don't move their votes by the end of the day then there might be somethingNot sure how I feel on the Rosie train that is slowly building they are not a town read for me but neither a scum, I like how they are playing a bit better today since I sense them trying to work the game out a bit more. |
Apr 22, 2017 1:18 PM
#1462
Jackrito said: sadly all three are neutral reads for me, with ruu being the closest to town. I always seem to scum read shinichi every game, even the tiniest bit, and I get where Qoco is coming from. I think after his terrible angry vote on me I am starting to read him more as town now though.PentaFlare said: Does anyone have an idea what the current vote count looks like? No idea at a guess I think Grape is winning, not really aganist that lynch as said before but not really a strong read for me. tbh I'm at a bit of a loss on what to do people I'm thinking on atm are Shinichi, Ruu and Quco. Karote is still pretty high up but got a bit better and so is Grape but that is more off your case then my own feelings. |
Apr 22, 2017 1:19 PM
#1463
PentaFlare said: Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: Qoco said: Qoco said: Jackrito said: It has been a full day now and alot of people are still not voting or even posting, Ruu Quco and Rosie for example may as well not even be playing at this point. Also lamb is never on for weekends so won't see him for a while either. I can't read people who are not there, all this inactivity just creates a good scum environment since they are so many possible mislynches. It helps if people mention me with specific questions. I mean good questions, no dumb demands, or crappy, pretending-to-look-good-questions, like "what do you think of the game so far?" That's one thing that triggers me. When people try to take advantage of the situation that you're in, and they throw a vague ass question at you, to make you look bad, and in return, make them look good. Not saying that others should play the game for me either. Just saiyan that if you want information so badly, there's a way to communicate >:D Ive always wanted to point that out too but i felt like i would jsut get instantly scum read Yet again you act way too self aware of how others will read you. Being aware of how other players will read you is not strictly bad. I keep close tabs on how I think I should appear so that I can tell if someone is making up a townread on me. Scum used to like giving me easy townreads, now it seems I struggle to get a townread from anyone, so it hasn't helped as much. That said, I do agree that the cases you have mentioned it regarding Shinichi, like this one, are cause for concern. It seems too paranoid and focused mostly on not being scumread rahter than just keeping tabs on their own position in the thread. I don't think it's a big deal. I don't focus too much on what people do. I like to look into why they do it. It's the intention behind the action that matters more. If he seems paranoid, why could he be openly paranoid, in a way that everyone can see? The possible answers to this don't tell me that he's scum. |
Apr 22, 2017 1:19 PM
#1464
Vote Count 2.6 Grapefruit21: Grrr, Pentaflare. logic340 Karote: Coelestin Ruu: Grapefruit21 Shinichi-Kun: aa-dono Oyasumi_Rosie: Karote, Qoco Those not voting Shinichi-Kun, Ruu, Lam-B, Oyasumi_Rosie, Jackrito What has already transpired Phase Day one! || Vote count 1.1 || 1.2 || 1.3 || 1.4 || 1.5 || 1.6 || 1.7 || 1.8 || 1.9 || 1.10 || 1.11 || 1.12 || 1.13 || 1.14 || 1.15 Night one Day 2 || Vote Count 2.0 || 2.1 || 2.2 || 2.3 || 2.4 || 2.5 || 2.6 |
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Apr 22, 2017 1:20 PM
#1465
| This is really tough. I'm hesitating about the grape lynch because they aren't here to defend themself, but there is so much inactivity this phase that this applies to almost anyone I can think of right now. I would rather not lynch someone who doesn't have a chance to claim. |
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Apr 22, 2017 1:23 PM
#1466
PentaFlare said: at least he has posted more than other this phase, so at least there is that. Besides, he had a chance to defend himself from your vote before he left yeah?This is really tough. I'm hesitating about the grape lynch because they aren't here to defend themself, but there is so much inactivity this phase that this applies to almost anyone I can think of right now. I would rather not lynch someone who doesn't have a chance to claim. Out of everyone who is posting now, who is the scummiest? |
Apr 22, 2017 1:28 PM
#1467
PentaFlare said: Does anyone have an idea what the current vote count looks like? Just posted, see a few posts above. |
Apr 22, 2017 1:31 PM
#1468
Qoco said: Shinichi-Kun said: Qoco said: Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: Okay I missed @Qoco posting while working on my posts. Also they apparenlty took like 45 minutes.... Uggh I'm slow Qoco: do you really think there is a jester in a game with a TPR converter? It's not that I think there is a Jester. The way she is playing is reminiscent of a Jester. Jesters play to get lynched. The goal is to gather up votes, and die. I don't know if the end-goal of Ruu is to die, but I feel that they're wanting to gather up votes for something. Maybe they play Jester-like, to throw people off, and make them think that they're a Jester, but they're really not. Maybe it's a distraction to take away eyes from something bigger. I don't know. I think I know what they're doing, but I don't know why. Anything outside of a killing tpr is possible, basically another tpr with a simple win con is possible. So in all honesty having a jester makes sense. They could also be a traitor trying to let scums know that they're a traitor. I played as a traitor once, and I knew who all the scums were, but they didn't know who I was. I was still a Townie though. I just had to help them out. Thats the role in a nut shell tho, if their is a traitor it would be ruu. Unless osmeone has an example of miller and traitor being in the same game. |
Apr 22, 2017 1:58 PM
#1469
PentaFlare said: This is really tough. I'm hesitating about the grape lynch because they aren't here to defend themself, but there is so much inactivity this phase that this applies to almost anyone I can think of right now. I would rather not lynch someone who doesn't have a chance to claim. I'm here and I'll be on and off until the phase change. I only have three votes so I don't exactly feel any pressure to claim at this stage. |
Apr 22, 2017 2:00 PM
#1470
| My event is done and I am back and watching now too! |
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Apr 22, 2017 2:07 PM
#1471
| I have put calls out to our replacements for @Ruu and @Lam-b as I have received no contact from them and they have not been online since the 20th. I will keep you updated on news to that regard. Likewise, in the time it takes to do this if Lam-b and Ruu come back they are good. |
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Apr 22, 2017 2:10 PM
#1472
PentaFlare said: Grapefruit21 said: @PentaFlare I've thought a lot more about you saying grrr's claim checks out and I'm still stumped. As far as I can tell Jack is the only person who understood what you were getting at. I'm not going to push it right now because enough people have said it's not a conflict anyway, but I'm watching you for that one. As for your post. On my tone shift, 496 was purely about people giving away free information. That was exasperation at SHinichi more than at grrr. Giving away free information is a losing proposition. Apart from that I think my tone is more in line with 196 in general. As for Hyperbolic reads have you read my recent games? Lover's Quarrel, Twins, Alcatraz, and Kitty all have similar reads. Especially LQ and Alc. And my extreme familiarity with logic based on Alc and Kitty gives me a lot of confidence in reading him right now. I don't know what fudding is. And as for my lack of scum hunting I'm not the only person who had trouble easing in D1. I'd say my play toDay speaks for itself. I'm not going to go out of my way to read games I haven't been part of for the sake of collecting meta because I don't like using meta. I focus on behavioural tells and only allow meta to help figure out a motive if something could come from either alignment. Hyperbolic reads are things that stand out a lot to me. I'll be watching your future cases closely. Fair enough meta can be a fickle beast. I make hyperbolic reads because they generate reactions. I do it as town and I do it as scum. Kitty mafia which you read is a good example. As for my tone which you talked about in some other quote 212 stands out because it was admitting it wasn't a serious role fishing offense. It was role fishing, but a less dangerous version. As for you saying I should have had other leads I did. They were just town ones. And again I'm not alone in that. The train on Lucian wasn't full of people confident in that scum read. Also your case and vote largely seems to be ignoring today and focusing on D1. You never commented on my reads wall, case on dono, progression on grrr, just kept hammering the tone and tunnel tells. |
Apr 22, 2017 2:14 PM
#1473
Shinichi-Kun said: Qoco said: Shinichi-Kun said: Qoco said: Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: Okay I missed @Qoco posting while working on my posts. Also they apparenlty took like 45 minutes.... Uggh I'm slow Qoco: do you really think there is a jester in a game with a TPR converter? It's not that I think there is a Jester. The way she is playing is reminiscent of a Jester. Jesters play to get lynched. The goal is to gather up votes, and die. I don't know if the end-goal of Ruu is to die, but I feel that they're wanting to gather up votes for something. Maybe they play Jester-like, to throw people off, and make them think that they're a Jester, but they're really not. Maybe it's a distraction to take away eyes from something bigger. I don't know. I think I know what they're doing, but I don't know why. Anything outside of a killing tpr is possible, basically another tpr with a simple win con is possible. So in all honesty having a jester makes sense. They could also be a traitor trying to let scums know that they're a traitor. I played as a traitor once, and I knew who all the scums were, but they didn't know who I was. I was still a Townie though. I just had to help them out. Thats the role in a nut shell tho, if their is a traitor it would be ruu. Unless osmeone has an example of miller and traitor being in the same game. Why are we talking about traitors and Ruu been one, a Traitor will try to help scum win not get lynched themsefs, So not sure where this idea came from |
Apr 22, 2017 2:15 PM
#1474
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Shinichi-Kun said: sorry if I posted a reply to this already. Phone is starting to over and I keep getting pushed around on the bus.Oyasumi_Rosie said: Shinichi-Kun said: still thought, that there is no number. Why not have it when other games with double votes have the numbers? Not to mention this is also role madness so this just add and even more possibility. This is why I asked about the tie.Oyasumi_Rosie said: Shinichi-Kun said: idk how u can be sure off of one lynch lol, like what is with u and this whole there is a vote manipluation in every game kind of attitude. Dude how couldn't be sure after the first vote count? What other reason would there be not to have the number next to the votes? This only the second game I brought it up in. The first time I was the double voter. what ya mean even if there was a number next to the votes, no host could include a double vote in that number lmfao First off compared to most vote counts, suzune is pretty blande most hosts like the number being there. I do it in my games cause it helps me, i dont do numbers cause of vote manipulation. So the number thing could be some combination of aesthetics and laziness, fine. But that doesn't mean they are still not there, and the only way tell for sure is a tie. Bring this up again when u find concreate proof other than that i dont wanna hear more talk about this. |
Apr 22, 2017 2:16 PM
#1475
PentaFlare said: Shinichi-Kun said: PentaFlare said: I've caught up but I'm not going to respond to anything until I have had a good nights sleep. I have two things I want to mention though. First, I keep noticing people bringing up my position in Lucian's train with varying perspective. In my opinion, voting to break a tie is NAI. It is just objectively the right choice to avoid a no lynch, so my mindset doesn't matter when deciding to make what is objectively the right choice. Don't overthink it. Second, FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. To fud is any combination of spreading lies, fearmongering, mudslinging, or paranoia that are shared with the goal of leading town astray with too much doubt. It is scummy because it makes cooperation among town much harder. It can take many forms, small or large. Not true actually under norma circumstances i think a scum would want a tie, but cuppled with your vote on ruu to the very end and only chaning votes to prevent a tie seems more town aligned than null. Who do u think is using FUD? thats the first time ive ever seen or heard tham term being used before haha It's in my case on grape. Did you just skip over the word when you read it? Nope just never got a chance to reply to it or read that messange so i waas waiting till i had the time to reply. But if i had replied first i would have just been confused about the wordin. |
Apr 22, 2017 2:18 PM
#1476
@Ruu has confirmed the request for the replacement. All waitlist people have been informed. I will let you know when someone responds to take that position. |
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Apr 22, 2017 2:20 PM
#1477
Grapefruit21 said: PentaFlare said: Grapefruit21 said: @PentaFlare I've thought a lot more about you saying grrr's claim checks out and I'm still stumped. As far as I can tell Jack is the only person who understood what you were getting at. I'm not going to push it right now because enough people have said it's not a conflict anyway, but I'm watching you for that one. As for your post. On my tone shift, 496 was purely about people giving away free information. That was exasperation at SHinichi more than at grrr. Giving away free information is a losing proposition. Apart from that I think my tone is more in line with 196 in general. As for Hyperbolic reads have you read my recent games? Lover's Quarrel, Twins, Alcatraz, and Kitty all have similar reads. Especially LQ and Alc. And my extreme familiarity with logic based on Alc and Kitty gives me a lot of confidence in reading him right now. I don't know what fudding is. And as for my lack of scum hunting I'm not the only person who had trouble easing in D1. I'd say my play toDay speaks for itself. I'm not going to go out of my way to read games I haven't been part of for the sake of collecting meta because I don't like using meta. I focus on behavioural tells and only allow meta to help figure out a motive if something could come from either alignment. Hyperbolic reads are things that stand out a lot to me. I'll be watching your future cases closely. Fair enough meta can be a fickle beast. I make hyperbolic reads because they generate reactions. I do it as town and I do it as scum. Kitty mafia which you read is a good example. As for my tone which you talked about in some other quote 212 stands out because it was admitting it wasn't a serious role fishing offense. It was role fishing, but a less dangerous version. As for you saying I should have had other leads I did. They were just town ones. And again I'm not alone in that. The train on Lucian wasn't full of people confident in that scum read. Also your case and vote largely seems to be ignoring today and focusing on D1. You never commented on my reads wall, case on dono, progression on grrr, just kept hammering the tone and tunnel tells. Don't worry, I'm not ignoring what you've done today. I am starting to feel more and more good about it so I've been trying to pick out my next move which is why I was looking for a vote count |
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Apr 22, 2017 2:21 PM
#1478
| Gotta eat dinner, then I'll be back until phase change |
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Apr 22, 2017 2:22 PM
#1479
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Jackrito said: ones a pressure vote, the other is peeved. Like i said before, the more o try and solve the game, the scummier I look. I am not worried about it though.If they don't move their votes by the end of the day then there might be somethingNot sure how I feel on the Rosie train that is slowly building they are not a town read for me but neither a scum, I like how they are playing a bit better today since I sense them trying to work the game out a bit more. rosie is just gonna ride on her soft claim to the very end, but ill be straightforward here from what ive seen she is most likely a cop or investigative role. |
Apr 22, 2017 2:24 PM
#1480
| Gonna try to skim through the last 5 pages in the next hour to at least be up to date 30 mins before the phase change. Tag me or quote this post if you have any immediate important requests or questions for me. |
Apr 22, 2017 2:26 PM
#1481
logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: Okay I know I said I wasn't posting anymore but 1365 broke my will... And to the previous one I went into detail elsewhere but basically I strongly town read Shinichi going oint by point on your wall. Also a few other things made sense in retrospect that I'm not going to discuss at this stage. @logic340 are you intentionally misconstruing my actions or just not reading my posts? I don't know how you can think I'm still pushing grrr. I pushed the crap out of him when I thought there was a mechanical dichotomy and backed completely off when it became clear that wasn't as true as I'd thought. I also immediately backed off when he claimed the first time. So I don't know where you are getting the idea that I'm pushing him. Second what part of my post made it seem like I was letting Karote off easily? The part where I said I'd be happy to lynch him? Third why is my vote doing nothing on Ruu? You said yourself they are a viable vig target that means they are worth voting for. Thank you very much. Fourth why vig a lynch that is easy to build a consensus on? It's never going to be hard to get enough votes to lynch Ruu. The beauty of a vig is they can check someone suspect who Has a lot of sway and would be hard to lynch. That is the opposite of Ruu. Fifth a mis vig is the same as a mislynch. Stop acting like I'm commiting a grevious sin for pushing this lynch when a vig could clean it up. If I'm wrong it's a dead town either way and if I'm right we might as well take advantage of the easy lynch with mass consensus. Sixth remember when you accused me of not adjusted my views? You've sure come a long way on Ruu as well. Seventh I made a massive case on dono right before Jack made theirs. I'm not digging it up for you. I concluded they are plausible scum, but I'd rather sort the miller first. It was right before I had the brainwave about the potential nurse/inheritor conflict. Eighth I have nothing to reevaluate Ruu by because they've posted nothing. grrr - You aren't pushing him now but your vote was there until I asked how serious you were about lynching Ruu. To which you responded "deadly serious" and moved your vote back from grrr. You said recently you still don't get what Penta is seeing but backed off (not because you see the point but because it's not going to get you anywhere if you continue to push it). So here you make it seem like your view changed and that is why the vote moved back when it seems to me it was due to me prodding you about it? Karote - Saying you are willing to lynch and actually doing something to sort a player out are two completely different things though. OK so you are willing to lynch him how does that prove to me he or you is town? It doesn't I need to see something from the both of you and pushing him isn't a bad way for you to do that. I mean that she hasn't been on for going on 48 hours so what good is your vote really doing there? You could pressure others in a way Jack is with his vote while you wait. But instead you park it on Ruu (where you will probably vote EoD anyway) and accomplish what for the rest of the time? If Ruu was so easy to build a consensus on then why are you currently leading the lynch today? Think about that for a second then come back to me. So why was it cool for everyone to call for the vig to shoot her N1 if she is so easy to lynch today? Why waste that shot if lynch can just take care of it. You don't seem to be worried about mislynching here are you sure you have a town win con? You know what I will listen to you and stop acting like you made a grievous sin if you start listening and doing what I tell you to do. Do we have a deal? Move you vote and do something productive with it that is the first thing I need you to do. Lets see if you follow instructions. Please be more specific about #6 Ruu was in my top 3 suspect list D1 now I don't necessarily see the scum read I would say that is moving a long way, so your statement isn't making any sense since it seems you are saying my read hasn't moved at all? You only have to link it....not digging it up for you. Must not have much confidence in it? It's all good I will find it as you know I am good at that. You can go back to D1 and reevaluate what she has done. That is what reevaluating is going over what you already know, not waiting for new information to change your view. You aren't even trying and this is why I am voting you right now. You give yourself too much credit on my grrr stance. As I said when multiple game managers said nurse and inheritor wasn't a conflict i backed off. There was the time delay you noticed because most of that discussion happened while I was asleep. Had literally zero to do with you. On Karote it's exhausting trying to wrangle lurkers and got me mislynched my previous game. I'm leaving that ball to someone else. Karote, Qoco, and before recently Rosie I didn't have much to go on and I couldn't be bothered to be the one to do it. As for right then I wasn't going to make the case at 1230 when I wanted to go to sleep and feel good about the case against Ruu. Your next two questions answer themselves. My vote was parked because cases don't build themselves. I can pressure elsewhere and did (being the first of 3ish to build the trendy dono case) but if no one is voting Ruu it's going to be hard to lynch them EoD. I also did move my vote when I thought I saw a mechanical dichotmy. As for your barb about me being the leading wagon while insisting that Ruu is an easy lynch. I read overnight I saw the consensus there were more than 3 people saying Ruu needed to be sorted. But that takes effort. If no one is beating the drum people aren't automatically going to come back EoD. Recency bias kicks in and that days events seem much more pressing. Again I was typing at 1230-1am I was not going to find and link my dono case on mobile. But sure make a jab about my confidence in it. Totally deserved. And the final thrust you say you're voting me because I could reread D1 and change my opinion on Ruu and I'm not even trying. Clearly I've been reading things because I'd been keeping up with the thread, and changing opinions and rereading D1 (see stances on Dono and grrr) but because when I read Ruu I still saw scum I must be scum. |
Apr 22, 2017 2:28 PM
#1482
Grapefruit21 said: Mini ISO on dono Properly enters the thread at 260 with a big reads and catchup post. And there are few odd inconsistencies. The first is the progression on me. "#70 - Grapefruit starts pressuring grrr for the vote on Coel (#56) #78 - Suspicious of grrr and Qoco [have to check about Qoco]. The suspicion on grr based on his fluff vote is suspicious. Feels like he picks what may seem scummy, disregarding intentions in other posts. #81 - Explained susp on Qoco: due to absence of vote. No comment. Used to do that as well since standard is to vote. Views grrr vote-statement as fear mongering. #194 - If CP wasn't an emotional player, I would have seen this as town. But ok, for now.. maybe not scum. (Or maybe a TPR who wants scum dead so much he's emotional?)" that is not a particularly townie progression, and they say as much in liking Coelestin's vote on me. When asked about it later they cited 194, which isn't given a ringing endorsement here, as the post that swung their opinion. The kicker, 194 had nothing to do with CPurity... Then they vote lucian but give this progression in their reads: "#79] - LucianRoy - actually liking this question. Shows Lucian picking up on actual suspicion > moving from RVS #95 - Baiting grrr with meta. #183 - One more grrr. Seems set on grrr rather than actually believing Grapefruit." Again they clarified that it was more points two and 3 outweighing 1 which was a positive. And that was enough for them to hop on the Lucian train as the fourth vote. 3 lines of posts, two of which were a joke/taunt. That is an incredibly flimsy reasoning. So aa-dono cited roughly 2 posts of mine they didn't like, 1 they liked for reasons that make no sense and then voted Lucian based off two posts, one of which was town read by others (I think it was Penta who liked that calling attention to his vote being worse than mine post which was 183), they then left there vote there as the wagon disintegrated and reformed without really giving too much more to the case. Next major post is 509 where they engage with Penta to discuss the Lucian read. My major takeaway from it is the unwillingness to take a stand. Which I understand can happen when you're disengaged from the game because real life is in the way, but in that case you probably shouldn't leave your vote if you're unsure. Next big post is another major catch up post with lot's of links 536 and this one gives me a bit of pause because all the questions are solid. Still not really campaigning for the Lucian lynch or unvoting though. This is the last meaningful post before the phase change, they still aren't pushing Lucian in a big way or unvoting. In fact this and shortly before it they spent a lot of effort trying to unknot Ruu, but like logic seeming to come at it from the idea that Ruu is town. Which just confuses me. Like I want to say easy game scum team is Ruu, logic, dono for protecting each other, but that makes no sense at all on any level except the confidence I just can't understand on Ruu being town. Anyway my major takeaway from this is dono hopped onto a hot wagon. Did not leave when it went cold, but never pushed for it in a big way. Even their convo with Penta that is the closest they came to pushing it feels half hearted. If I didn't have such a good feeling about Ruu being scum I'd be happy to vote dono at this point. ------------------- Reading while posting @Oyasumi_Rosie it's not that last night meant nothing it's more that doesn't give you a pass to have another day like D1. Though I'd have to reread to see how much you actually did last night. The only part that left an impression on me was your on point meme'ing. I don't pay as much attention to nights tbh. @logic340 here you go |
Apr 22, 2017 2:30 PM
#1483
Shinichi-Kun said: I'm honestly not really sure how to gauge people's play vs. the live game tried it with someone else and it didn't work at all. She's passive but she's picked it up since those votes came her way. @logic340 Doesnt rosie play this game remind of u when she was scum in live mafia? |
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Apr 22, 2017 2:30 PM
#1484
| I'm going to step away for a bit... Getting a tad emotional. Will check back in. |
Apr 22, 2017 2:36 PM
#1485
Oyasumi_Rosie said: PentaFlare said: at least he has posted more than other this phase, so at least there is that. Besides, he had a chance to defend himself from your vote before he left yeah?This is really tough. I'm hesitating about the grape lynch because they aren't here to defend themself, but there is so much inactivity this phase that this applies to almost anyone I can think of right now. I would rather not lynch someone who doesn't have a chance to claim. Out of everyone who is posting now, who is the scummiest? same could be said about lucian who flipped town tho |
Apr 22, 2017 2:38 PM
#1486
Jackrito said: Shinichi-Kun said: Qoco said: Shinichi-Kun said: Qoco said: Shinichi-Kun said: Grapefruit21 said: Okay I missed @Qoco posting while working on my posts. Also they apparenlty took like 45 minutes.... Uggh I'm slow Qoco: do you really think there is a jester in a game with a TPR converter? It's not that I think there is a Jester. The way she is playing is reminiscent of a Jester. Jesters play to get lynched. The goal is to gather up votes, and die. I don't know if the end-goal of Ruu is to die, but I feel that they're wanting to gather up votes for something. Maybe they play Jester-like, to throw people off, and make them think that they're a Jester, but they're really not. Maybe it's a distraction to take away eyes from something bigger. I don't know. I think I know what they're doing, but I don't know why. Anything outside of a killing tpr is possible, basically another tpr with a simple win con is possible. So in all honesty having a jester makes sense. They could also be a traitor trying to let scums know that they're a traitor. I played as a traitor once, and I knew who all the scums were, but they didn't know who I was. I was still a Townie though. I just had to help them out. Thats the role in a nut shell tho, if their is a traitor it would be ruu. Unless osmeone has an example of miller and traitor being in the same game. Why are we talking about traitors and Ruu been one, a Traitor will try to help scum win not get lynched themsefs, So not sure where this idea came from but as traitor the only way to not get lynched is claim miller? |
Apr 22, 2017 2:38 PM
#1487
*hugs |
Apr 22, 2017 2:42 PM
#1488
logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I'm honestly not really sure how to gauge people's play vs. the live game tried it with someone else and it didn't work at all. She's passive but she's picked it up since those votes came her way. @logic340 Doesnt rosie play this game remind of u when she was scum in live mafia? well her day 1 in this game is more aligned with her scum game in live mafia. |
Apr 22, 2017 3:04 PM
#1489
Shinichi-Kun said: *hugs Thanks, but it's not deserved. The emotion was anger and it was my own fault for getting into a snark war of my own making and dishing, but not being able to take it. |
Apr 22, 2017 3:09 PM
#1490
| I'm here |
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Apr 22, 2017 3:15 PM
#1491
Grapefruit21 said: Grapefruit21 said: Mini ISO on dono Properly enters the thread at 260 with a big reads and catchup post. And there are few odd inconsistencies. The first is the progression on me. "#70 - Grapefruit starts pressuring grrr for the vote on Coel (#56) #78 - Suspicious of grrr and Qoco [have to check about Qoco]. The suspicion on grr based on his fluff vote is suspicious. Feels like he picks what may seem scummy, disregarding intentions in other posts. #81 - Explained susp on Qoco: due to absence of vote. No comment. Used to do that as well since standard is to vote. Views grrr vote-statement as fear mongering. #194 - If CP wasn't an emotional player, I would have seen this as town. But ok, for now.. maybe not scum. (Or maybe a TPR who wants scum dead so much he's emotional?)" that is not a particularly townie progression, and they say as much in liking Coelestin's vote on me. When asked about it later they cited 194, which isn't given a ringing endorsement here, as the post that swung their opinion. The kicker, 194 had nothing to do with CPurity... Then they vote lucian but give this progression in their reads: "#79] - LucianRoy - actually liking this question. Shows Lucian picking up on actual suspicion > moving from RVS #95 - Baiting grrr with meta. #183 - One more grrr. Seems set on grrr rather than actually believing Grapefruit." Again they clarified that it was more points two and 3 outweighing 1 which was a positive. And that was enough for them to hop on the Lucian train as the fourth vote. 3 lines of posts, two of which were a joke/taunt. That is an incredibly flimsy reasoning. So aa-dono cited roughly 2 posts of mine they didn't like, 1 they liked for reasons that make no sense and then voted Lucian based off two posts, one of which was town read by others (I think it was Penta who liked that calling attention to his vote being worse than mine post which was 183), they then left there vote there as the wagon disintegrated and reformed without really giving too much more to the case. Next major post is 509 where they engage with Penta to discuss the Lucian read. My major takeaway from it is the unwillingness to take a stand. Which I understand can happen when you're disengaged from the game because real life is in the way, but in that case you probably shouldn't leave your vote if you're unsure. Next big post is another major catch up post with lot's of links 536 and this one gives me a bit of pause because all the questions are solid. Still not really campaigning for the Lucian lynch or unvoting though. This is the last meaningful post before the phase change, they still aren't pushing Lucian in a big way or unvoting. In fact this and shortly before it they spent a lot of effort trying to unknot Ruu, but like logic seeming to come at it from the idea that Ruu is town. Which just confuses me. Like I want to say easy game scum team is Ruu, logic, dono for protecting each other, but that makes no sense at all on any level except the confidence I just can't understand on Ruu being town. Anyway my major takeaway from this is dono hopped onto a hot wagon. Did not leave when it went cold, but never pushed for it in a big way. Even their convo with Penta that is the closest they came to pushing it feels half hearted. If I didn't have such a good feeling about Ruu being scum I'd be happy to vote dono at this point. ------------------- Reading while posting @Oyasumi_Rosie it's not that last night meant nothing it's more that doesn't give you a pass to have another day like D1. Though I'd have to reread to see how much you actually did last night. The only part that left an impression on me was your on point meme'ing. I don't pay as much attention to nights tbh. @logic340 here you go #509 I don't see this post the same way you do. She kind of did take a stand she told Penta who she gave Penta 3 suspects and explained her suspicion of his push on grrr. I don't see the post needing to move after what she said about Lucian's push which is what your case is seems to hinge on. #536 why do you feel she needs to be campaigning for a lynch. She isn't giving me the feeling in this post that she town reads him or other wise. Do you feel she scum read someone else more at this time but didn't vote for them? "This" link isn't a push but it's her disagreeing with a town read on the person she is voting for. I could see if she was giving him a ringing town endorsement or if it was a RVS vote that lasted like mine in Alcatraze but your case here seems force and too focused on her vote when her reasons are clear. @aa-dono #194 in your catch up post you talk about CP being emotional but that was a post where Grape was talking to Shinichi about grrr can you Clairify which CP post you were referring to? |
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Apr 22, 2017 3:16 PM
#1492
| First of all: Jackrito said: It has been a full day now and alot of people are still not voting or even posting, Ruu Quco and Rosie for example may as well not even be playing at this point. Also lamb is never on for weekends so won't see him for a while either. I can't read people who are not there, all this inactivity just creates a good scum environment since they are so many possible mislynches. This is very accurate. The game's dying, scum can easily hide here no matter whether they're active or not since town's not acting generally, people are becoming desperate and just try to attack the active people even more because they know they'll actually get something out of them instead of just the inactive peeps. Town cannot hold itself together atm, and it's hurting just badly. I know I'm also at fault here because I couldn't be active today, but in general, not voting should not be tolerated and everyone who's either inactive or not voting should be pressured into voting and posting more. Think about it and consider it for D3 pls. Jackrito, logic, Penta, grape and if he should actually start clearing up stuff Lamby I'm starting to think that actually most of scum is really hiding amongst the inactives. I'll be making the four at the top my town block for now, because I have no other choice but to start trusting in people more instead of being paranoid if we want to achieve more than this. If they are scum, then I wil say this: They already deserve the win. Because town is playing shitty at the moment and yes I know it's partially my fault because of the Lucian lynch but we need to look forward now. And for the ones I'm actually willing to lynch today: 1. Ruu. Obvious why, but we still gotta see if it's actually worth it to have wasted the day just for a lynch on her if she's town. 2. Karote. I still haven't seen the read list anywhere and his play D1 was just bad. 3. aa-dono. See read list. Yes, her posts have gotten a little bit better but it's not convincing imo. I still don't see indications of actual scum hunting unless I've skimmed through the thread to notice. I will also be willing to lynch the others which aren't the four at the top tho if given enough evidence. It's a pretty bad lynch pool, I will admit. However, again there's a lack of actually good lynch candidates and that's the best I can make out of it right now. |
Apr 22, 2017 3:16 PM
#1493
Grapefruit21 said: PentaFlare said: This is really tough. I'm hesitating about the grape lynch because they aren't here to defend themself, but there is so much inactivity this phase that this applies to almost anyone I can think of right now. I would rather not lynch someone who doesn't have a chance to claim. I'm here and I'll be on and off until the phase change. I only have three votes so I don't exactly feel any pressure to claim at this stage. Three votes is enough to kick you out. |
Apr 22, 2017 3:16 PM
#1494
Apr 22, 2017 3:18 PM
#1495
Coelestin said: everyone who's either inactive or not voting should be pressured into voting and posting more. This I agree with. I find it hypocritical to demand activity but not promote activity. |
Apr 22, 2017 3:18 PM
#1496
Apr 22, 2017 3:19 PM
#1497
Shinichi-Kun said: im ok with ruu/grape/logic/chione/dono Tho i highyl doubt anyone wants to lynch chione with me lol I like Chione. She's good people imo. I can connect with their thoughts. |
Apr 22, 2017 3:20 PM
#1498
Apr 22, 2017 3:22 PM
#1499
Shinichi-Kun said: im ok with ruu/grape/logic/chione/dono Tho i highyl doubt anyone wants to lynch chione with me lol Not sure how your scum list is so different to my own the one one I agree on is Ruu and Grape at a push. Can you talk me through your read on Logic, Chione and Dono. I know a bit of the first 2 but this is the first time you mentioned Dono I think. |
Apr 22, 2017 3:23 PM
#1500
| @Shinichi-kun why aren't you voting? You have a list of people you are okay with so pressure one. |
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