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Mar 22, 2017 7:23 AM

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1)Dunno how you define pressure, but I believed that I've (successfully) pressured grape. When I say pressure, I mean applying pressure to which will cause them to react, and from the reaction I can analyse to gain more information on whether my read is right or not. I don't want to change the way they play, I want to understand the way they play and whether it is pro-town or anti-town.

2)I wouldn't be interested in learning about cross yet. He'd post enough by the time I want to get a read on him, priority for me was getting as much information as possible. And arguably, we got more information from followind and amberwillow and rosie reacting to the question than cross. As I said, I never intended to hinder your attempt to read cross. But you can always do that at another time.

3)You prefer for me to just vote Grape without hearing out everything first? And yes, I'm going to push him until I find something to support my vote. If I can't find anything to support my vote, then that would clear Grape for me.

Also, I don't know really understand your anti-town playstyle but if you're really sure you know what you're doing, I'll leave you be for now...

My problem is that you are approaching the attack on grapefruit as showing why they are scum and not determining if they are scum. That's what I've caught from your posts.

Also,my current behaviour is not antitown. That was just the gambit I was doing with grapefruit earlier. If you think I am being antitown, can you show why instead of just discrediting me by continuing to throw the word antitown around when it no longer applies to what I am doing?

1)I think that is just a matter of perspective. I think my attack on grapefruit have provoked him (more than I wanted to) and this have helped me draw further evidence of why I think he's scum. Of course I can see your point of view of how I seem to be throwing shade at him but not committing to anything. I don't think I have to ability to change your mind because perspective matters, and you having a different perspective of my actions is good. Just not in the way I wanted it.
2)Perhaps I worded it wrongly, your behavior WAS anti-town. I believe that ever since your ISO on me onwards, you proved to be very pro town and I do respect your decision. It is everything before your ISO on me where you kept hiding your opinions from everyone that I deemed anti-town. I wanted an explanation for that before Grape's relentless assault on me diverted my attention away. Also, even though it's a gambit for grape, it was still anti-town behavior. Not holding you to it, I just didn't see the bigger picture at that point. Even if you lynch me, I ain't mad at you, your argument holds water and it makes sense for you to lynch me. I just didn't think my train would end up like this.
Mar 22, 2017 7:24 AM

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Grapefruit21 said:
Okay real last post before bed, to people who didn't play Alcatraz do my walls read emotionally? I felt completely relaxed making them, but I may be biased.

I feel like logic who brought up the accusation of acting based on emotion is the player acting the most emotionally. His response to my walls did not feel measured or thought out.

Lastly @logic340 some of your arguments and reads are awesome. You were new spot on in Harhui and same in FT once you got out of the tunnel. And disagaea too. We all have bad games and we all have good games.
Fair enough if you are town lets make that mason magic again but turn it into a win this time! Going to take a break for a while too for real tis time.
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Mar 22, 2017 7:26 AM

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followind said:
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I actually don't think CorruptedPurity is mafia this time.. Feel like he would be giving a lot more attention to the Penta thing otherwise. Unless Penta is actually mafia but apparently this is his town gameplay?
I'm not sure..
I'm not good at meta reading and I haven't played for a long time so I won't give any opinions

Then don't! Reads based on this game are very valuable. Just share. There has been a ton spilled on me/CPurity reads on anything else are very valuable

Logic I've seen you have awesome reads and reasons and you calling Oenta in Harhui was awesome. We all have good and bad games.

*puts phone down and tries furiously to ignore it and sleep*
Mar 22, 2017 7:26 AM

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graefruit21 said:
I feel like logic who brought up the accusation of acting based on emotion is the player acting the most emotionally. His response to my walls did not feel measured or thought out.
Spot on it wasn't I'm not feeling the arguments and I know there is some emotion on Claire's side because she emphasized it in 118-120. Triple post that does nothing for the game only discusses previous game is what kit nailed me for in the Alcatraz D1 her activity has spiked since I brought that information to light?
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Mar 22, 2017 7:34 AM

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Near the end of the day and I'm still confused whether I should vote grape or CP..
This is a tough decision for me to make tbh
Can anyone provide me with any insights?
Mar 22, 2017 7:39 AM

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followind said:
Near the end of the day and I'm still confused whether I should vote grape or CP..
This is a tough decision for me to make tbh
Can anyone provide me with any insights?
I am almost tempted to call this shit a t/t ideological difference but I am uncertain with both as well. My reasons for doubting CP is that we were just mafia and if he acts like he did when we were a team I will lynch him. Claire has also played as mafia with him recently so he should be treading lightly with both of us. Those two sets of eyes plus everyone else should be enough to catch him slipping I would think so another option may be worth hearing. Lynches going easy is something that usually means town are top targets (from my experience) I have yet to have an easy early lynch on scum (that wasn't lead by scum).

I'm torn there too neither is on my town side of the list. Do you have anyone you trust? What about the three that Penta and I said should be safe from lynch today (lam, willow, Crossbell) any thoughts on them?
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Mar 22, 2017 7:43 AM

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logic340 said:
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Near the end of the day and I'm still confused whether I should vote grape or CP..
This is a tough decision for me to make tbh
Can anyone provide me with any insights?
I am almost tempted to call this shit a t/t ideological difference but I am uncertain with both as well. My reasons for doubting CP is that we were just mafia and if he acts like he did when we were a team I will lynch him. Claire has also played as mafia with him recently so he should be treading lightly with both of us. Those two sets of eyes plus everyone else should be enough to catch him slipping I would think so another option may be worth hearing. Lynches going easy is something that usually means town are top targets (from my experience) I have yet to have an easy early lynch on scum (that wasn't lead by scum).

I'm torn there too neither is on my town side of the list. Do you have anyone you trust? What about the three that Penta and I said should be safe from lynch today (lam, willow, Crossbell) any thoughts on them?

I agree with Lam and Willow but I still don't get a town vibe from cross..
As I know from before he is more of a analytical player and tend to be more active.. Meta reading aside, I don't think he contributed to anything yet..
Also.. I'm having a paranoia where I think Penta might be scum that's trying to push a lynch on CP since CP have a lot of things that could be solid reasoning..

Which is why I'm really confused right now
Mar 22, 2017 7:45 AM

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Ok I feel like I'm guilty of being emotional over the grape thing too. I should sleep now...

If I get lynched and flip town while asleep, please for the love of the cute kittens this nice game was originally based on before into a bloodbath, look into grape. Analyse every post he makes and all of his reasons for lynching me.
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followind said:
logic340 said:
I am almost tempted to call this shit a t/t ideological difference but I am uncertain with both as well. My reasons for doubting CP is that we were just mafia and if he acts like he did when we were a team I will lynch him. Claire has also played as mafia with him recently so he should be treading lightly with both of us. Those two sets of eyes plus everyone else should be enough to catch him slipping I would think so another option may be worth hearing. Lynches going easy is something that usually means town are top targets (from my experience) I have yet to have an easy early lynch on scum (that wasn't lead by scum).

I'm torn there too neither is on my town side of the list. Do you have anyone you trust? What about the three that Penta and I said should be safe from lynch today (lam, willow, Crossbell) any thoughts on them?

I agree with Lam and Willow but I still don't get a town vibe from cross..
As I know from before he is more of a analytical player and tend to be more active.. Meta reading aside, I don't think he contributed to anything yet..
Also.. I'm having a paranoia where I think Penta might be scum that's trying to push a lynch on CP since CP have a lot of things that could be solid reasoning..

Which is why I'm really confused right now
After I did my first read though I felt he same way. I was like Crossbell said he posted a bunch but it didn't leave an impression. When I went back and looked there are some good content rich posts so I only have a slight vibe. Those are the only 3 I get a slight town vibe from. Everyone else is scum vibe when my read list came out.

I will agree Crossbell is distant and hasn't really his presence fades when he isn't in the thread. I guess you could say he's town when here and IDK how I feel when he isn't. There were a lot of catch up posts so saying you don't see town cross is understandable.
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followind said:
Also.. I'm having a paranoia where I think Penta might be scum that's trying to push a lynch on CP since CP have a lot of things that could be solid reasoning..

Which is why I'm really confused right now
I agree none of this is outside the bounds of scum Penta's play. Grapefruit even noted it which make me wonder why he's so comfortable pushing CP with Penta knowing that? I need to go back and look but don't want to start tunneling this Grape shit.

Their interactions seem strange and Penta questioning me about Pre-flip association when I was saying that I cannot say he and grapefruit are unaligned just give me bad vibes.
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Mar 22, 2017 7:54 AM

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logic340 said:
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As for 1. I suggested you check Harhui, FT, or LQ and you'd see an active engaged me on D1. Your read was I don't make splashy plays or be that active on D1 and it's not particularly accurate.
I was your mason in Haruhi and while you were out on Lucian you still kept your feelers going elsewhere. FT I would say does not feel like this game for your start, but would need to go back and read it to be certain. I want to hear @_Claire_'s take on CP's Grapefruit meta please (there I asked again)? Your self meta feels somewhat off to me as you have changed greatly since FT mafia

I think I hve said this countless time but I dont have anything (meta included) against Grape. He feels like how he was.
Some goes to another.

Is it me or you are trying very hard to paint Grape scum using every single detail?
Mar 22, 2017 7:56 AM

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_Claire_ said:
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I was your mason in Haruhi and while you were out on Lucian you still kept your feelers going elsewhere. FT I would say does not feel like this game for your start, but would need to go back and read it to be certain. I want to hear @_Claire_'s take on CP's Grapefruit meta please (there I asked again)? Your self meta feels somewhat off to me as you have changed greatly since FT mafia

I think I hve said this countless time but I dont have anything (meta included) against Grape. He feels like how he was.
Some goes to another.

Is it me or you are trying very hard to paint Grape scum using every single detail?
It's just you....
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logic340 said:
_Claire_ said:

I think I hve said this countless time but I dont have anything (meta included) against Grape. He feels like how he was.
Some goes to another.

Is it me or you are trying very hard to paint Grape scum using every single detail?
It's just you....

Affirmative.
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@_Claire_ now to retort you question back to you

is it just me or you are trying hard to paint Purity scum using every single detail?
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Tbh I have a better idea.

Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point.

Anyone with me?
Mar 22, 2017 8:02 AM

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logic340 said:
@_Claire_ now to retort you question back to you

is it just me or you are trying hard to paint Purity scum using every single detail?

Or.

Also, I am not the only one thinking that way, and what you think of CP moving his vote to Grape?
Mar 22, 2017 8:03 AM

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_Claire_ said:
Tbh I have a better idea.

Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point.

Anyone with me?

I've mention this before but I didn't mention to the metaread..
but it was casually brushed off since he wasn't seen as a thread..

tbh..
I would comply to vote on grr rather than the three since after night..
we can get some more info from PR rather than just making possibilites
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_Claire_ said:
Tbh I have a better idea.

Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point.

Anyone with me?
He's no better than lynch fodder at this point imo. I don't think I will go there today we have better options at least better discussion for the time being.
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followind said:
_Claire_ said:
Tbh I have a better idea.

Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point.

Anyone with me?

I've mention this before but I didn't mention to the metaread..
but it was casually brushed off since he wasn't seen as a thread..

tbh..
I would comply to vote on grr rather than the three since after night..
we can get some more info from PR rather than just making possibilites

I have nothing against lynching grrr, he is harmful to town with his unpredicted behaviour and the way he just does stuff without much reasons/plans in mind.
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_Claire_ said:
logic340 said:
@_Claire_ now to retort you question back to you

is it just me or you are trying hard to paint Purity scum using every single detail?

Or.

Also, I am not the only one thinking that way, and what you think of CP moving his vote to Grape?
I find it justified for the tunnel that Grape has thrown himself down once again. Even if CP is scum then Grape should spend some time looking for his team mates. We spent too much time arguing and sitting at the top of the thread. Grape has some inconsistencies that don't match what I would expect from his town meta even comparing this game to FT which I don't see. That's why I asked you because I don't think you will be able to fake it if it is different. So no meta for now...cool I will ask your opinion again later. For now I would say neutral on both CP and Grape.
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logic340 said:
_Claire_ said:
Tbh I have a better idea.

Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point.

Anyone with me?
He's no better than lynch fodder at this point imo. I don't think I will go there today we have better options at least better discussion for the time being.

If you are town you should realize this from last game that grrr was extremely harmful to town.

Dont you agree? You said you agreed with Grape last game that we should just shot Grrr instead of tunneling him at the end.
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logic340 said:
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Or.

Also, I am not the only one thinking that way, and what you think of CP moving his vote to Grape?
I find it justified for the tunnel that Grape has thrown himself down once again. Even if CP is scum then Grape should spend some time looking for his team mates. We spent too much time arguing and sitting at the top of the thread. Grape has some inconsistencies that don't match what I would expect from his town meta even comparing this game to FT which I don't see. That's why I asked you because I don't think you will be able to fake it if it is different. So no meta for now...cool I will ask your opinion again later. For now I would say neutral on both CP and Grape.

lols inconsistency....

Last game he had so much inconsistency and you guys were using that against him, no? :)
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_Claire_ said:
followind said:

I've mention this before but I didn't mention to the metaread..
but it was casually brushed off since he wasn't seen as a thread..

tbh..
I would comply to vote on grr rather than the three since after night..
we can get some more info from PR rather than just making possibilites

I have nothing against lynching grrr, he is harmful to town with his unpredicted behaviour and the way he just does stuff without much reasons/plans in mind.
Does he do things without reasoning or plans in mind? That isn't what I have gotten from him in the two games I have been in. I find him to be more calculating than you are giving credit for especially given his explanation of the miller claim in Alcatraz. That was not unplanned it was very long sighted. Is there a reason you are bashing grrr all of a sudden as we talk about possible different lynch options?
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He's no better than lynch fodder at this point imo. I don't think I will go there today we have better options at least better discussion for the time being.

If you are town you should realize this from last game that grrr was extremely harmful to town.

Dont you agree? You said you agreed with Grape last game that we should just shot Grrr instead of tunneling him at the end.
The miller clam was harmful but I don't see what that has to do with what he has brought to this game? I am not going to punish grrr for last game just as I feel it's wrong for you to punish me and CP for being salty about it. So while I do think he was harmful, (so was everyone who didn't like Grapes suggestion for how to deal with Vig and Miller) I don't see him being harmful here (at least not yet). Sometimes those things you deem harmful actually help like when you tunneled him for 3 days in NnT which gave me a Vote Count that showed me exactly where the scum were.
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logic340 said:
_Claire_ said:

I have nothing against lynching grrr, he is harmful to town with his unpredicted behaviour and the way he just does stuff without much reasons/plans in mind.
Does he do things without reasoning or plans in mind? That isn't what I have gotten from him in the two games I have been in. I find him to be more calculating than you are giving credit for especially given his explanation of the miller claim in Alcatraz. That was not unplanned it was very long sighted. Is there a reason you are bashing grrr all of a sudden as we talk about possible different lynch options?

I had something in mind back then, but I can see it isnt working now. It is a very bad phase change for me so I cant do much.

I have played with grrr more than a couple of times, and thats what I conclude from him tbh. Also as I have said, he is not his usual town!grrr.
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logic340 said:
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I have nothing against lynching grrr, he is harmful to town with his unpredicted behaviour and the way he just does stuff without much reasons/plans in mind.
Does he do things without reasoning or plans in mind? That isn't what I have gotten from him in the two games I have been in. I find him to be more calculating than you are giving credit for especially given his explanation of the miller claim in Alcatraz. That was not unplanned it was very long sighted. Is there a reason you are bashing grrr all of a sudden as we talk about possible different lynch options?

He's a possible lynch target I've talked about this before so I won't explain myself again.. It's too much of a hassle
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logic340 said:
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If you are town you should realize this from last game that grrr was extremely harmful to town.

Dont you agree? You said you agreed with Grape last game that we should just shot Grrr instead of tunneling him at the end.
The miller clam was harmful but I don't see what that has to do with what he has brought to this game? I am not going to punish grrr for last game just as I feel it's wrong for you to punish me and CP for being salty about it. So while I do think he was harmful, (so was everyone who didn't like Grapes suggestion for how to deal with Vig and Miller) I don't see him being harmful here (at least not yet). Sometimes those things you deem harmful actually help like when you tunneled him for 3 days in NnT which gave me a Vote Count that showed me exactly where the scum were.
I dont care for those three tunneling days. I hate that game because I was TPR and I wasnt motivated at all.

I am honestly having trouble communicating with you lols.
Do you think that was my first time playing with grrr?
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I find it justified for the tunnel that Grape has thrown himself down once again. Even if CP is scum then Grape should spend some time looking for his team mates. We spent too much time arguing and sitting at the top of the thread. Grape has some inconsistencies that don't match what I would expect from his town meta even comparing this game to FT which I don't see. That's why I asked you because I don't think you will be able to fake it if it is different. So no meta for now...cool I will ask your opinion again later. For now I would say neutral on both CP and Grape.

lols inconsistency....

Last game he had so much inconsistency and you guys were using that against him, no? :)
Think about what my mindset was and what I was facing at the time. I had to throw the kitchen sink at him. Some saw through my BS other didn't. Here is quite different and again you are using other games to judge this one. I will ask you to please stop doing that? This game what are you getting off of this game and what's happening here right now.
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@CorruptedPurity what do you think of Grrr?
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lols inconsistency....

Last game he had so much inconsistency and you guys were using that against him, no? :)
Think about what my mindset was and what I was facing at the time. I had to throw the kitchen sink at him. Some saw through my BS other didn't. Here is quite different and again you are using other games to judge this one. I will ask you to please stop doing that? This game what are you getting off of this game and what's happening here right now.

Lols I dont know your alignment yet, why should I assume you wont do that BS again? Because yeah, I am calling BS on your read on Grape, I am even not gonna discuss about Grape anymore lol.
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Does he do things without reasoning or plans in mind? That isn't what I have gotten from him in the two games I have been in. I find him to be more calculating than you are giving credit for especially given his explanation of the miller claim in Alcatraz. That was not unplanned it was very long sighted. Is there a reason you are bashing grrr all of a sudden as we talk about possible different lynch options?

I had something in mind back then, but I can see it isnt working now. It is a very bad phase change for me so I cant do much.

I have played with grrr more than a couple of times, and thats what I conclude from him tbh. Also as I have said, he is not his usual town!grrr.
Fair enough and I respect your meta enough to believe you are not being malicious right now. I just don't see enough content to warrant a D1 lynch on him, maybe D2 or D3 if things stay the same since I wouldn't want to go into mylo or lylo with his slot like it is but that can be addressed tomorrow if need be no?
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Does he do things without reasoning or plans in mind? That isn't what I have gotten from him in the two games I have been in. I find him to be more calculating than you are giving credit for especially given his explanation of the miller claim in Alcatraz. That was not unplanned it was very long sighted. Is there a reason you are bashing grrr all of a sudden as we talk about possible different lynch options?

He's a possible lynch target I've talked about this before so I won't explain myself again.. It's too much of a hassle
No problem I will go back and look for it.
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The miller clam was harmful but I don't see what that has to do with what he has brought to this game? I am not going to punish grrr for last game just as I feel it's wrong for you to punish me and CP for being salty about it. So while I do think he was harmful, (so was everyone who didn't like Grapes suggestion for how to deal with Vig and Miller) I don't see him being harmful here (at least not yet). Sometimes those things you deem harmful actually help like when you tunneled him for 3 days in NnT which gave me a Vote Count that showed me exactly where the scum were.
I dont care for those three tunneling days. I hate that game because I was TPR and I wasnt motivated at all.

I am honestly having trouble communicating with you lols.
Do you think that was my first time playing with grrr?
No I don't but I am not sure how you get scum!grrr (who I have never seen) off of the maybe 7 posts he has so far. Also it was grrr's play that allowed me to find the scum. That comment wasn't about you it was about grrr's anti-town play and how it helped to shape a VC that revealed where scum was. Again would I like to be in D3 with his slot as it is? no. But if he doesn't come back before phase change I have more reason to lynch you or even grapefruit today.
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Think about what my mindset was and what I was facing at the time. I had to throw the kitchen sink at him. Some saw through my BS other didn't. Here is quite different and again you are using other games to judge this one. I will ask you to please stop doing that? This game what are you getting off of this game and what's happening here right now.

Lols I dont know your alignment yet, why should I assume you wont do that BS again? Because yeah, I am calling BS on your read on Grape, I am even not gonna discuss about Grape anymore lol.
I didn't ask you to assume anything I asked you to think critically about the situation I was in (as scum) and apply it my behavior and thinking here. You've seen my scum game a you caught me dead to rights are you seeing those markers?
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logic340 said:
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I had something in mind back then, but I can see it isnt working now. It is a very bad phase change for me so I cant do much.

I have played with grrr more than a couple of times, and thats what I conclude from him tbh. Also as I have said, he is not his usual town!grrr.
Fair enough and I respect your meta enough to believe you are not being malicious right now. I just don't see enough content to warrant a D1 lynch on him, maybe D2 or D3 if things stay the same since I wouldn't want to go into mylo or lylo with his slot like it is but that can be addressed tomorrow if need be no?

See, day 2/3

You cant even trust him in a long run in general.
I would rather lynch a harmful someone in this game.
Also he has been laying low.

Dont you agree with my meta-read now?
I believe this is the most beneficial pathway I could take right now.
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Hmm both are agreeable suspicious lynch targets. Me because of my aggressiveness and RE cos of her slip up. I don't think you need to explain that.

Why Grrr? Reading an inactive is a gamble. It works but if I were a day cop, I rather use my ability to save/secure a lynch for the day. No one is interested in Grrr, reading him gives him a 3/13 chance of finding scum at the cost that if it's the 10/13, we only have an inactive townie and no proper scum targets. Reevaluating day cop, I think checking on highly active players are a stronger play. It can help save grape if he's town or secure a lynch if he's scum. It can also save me if grape flips town or secure a kill on me if I am mafia. You get the idea.

Since if he's a mafia..
He can lurk since it's pretty much his play style when I was playing before
Let's just say I'm meta reading since he once played sk and lurked till the end
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_Claire_ said:
logic340 said:
Fair enough and I respect your meta enough to believe you are not being malicious right now. I just don't see enough content to warrant a D1 lynch on him, maybe D2 or D3 if things stay the same since I wouldn't want to go into mylo or lylo with his slot like it is but that can be addressed tomorrow if need be no?

See, day 2/3

You cant even trust him in a long run in general.
I would rather lynch a harmful someone in this game.
Also he has been laying low.

Dont you agree with my meta-read now?
I believe this is the most beneficial pathway I could take right now.
I do somewhat agree with your read. He is laying low (to an extent) but then there is the CP is town cleared post which is not laying low. He parked his vote on me and dipped which is NAI at this point. Not enough information at this point.
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logic340 said:
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Lols I dont know your alignment yet, why should I assume you wont do that BS again? Because yeah, I am calling BS on your read on Grape, I am even not gonna discuss about Grape anymore lol.
I didn't ask you to assume anything I asked you to think critically about the situation I was in (as scum) and apply it my behavior and thinking here. You've seen my scum game a you caught me dead to rights are you seeing those markers?
My problem is you know Grape is inconsistent as town, but you keep bashing him on that point. Where is the logic in that?

Dont you think scum!grape will be more careful on what he says? This is why I say I dont understand-- scums will play carefully, they wont attract too much attention to themselves.

Lets stop talking about Grape, I want to puke talking about the same thing all over again and I know we wont get to a middle point. So lets talk about what you think of my Grrr idea.
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_Claire_ said:
logic340 said:
Fair enough and I respect your meta enough to believe you are not being malicious right now. I just don't see enough content to warrant a D1 lynch on him, maybe D2 or D3 if things stay the same since I wouldn't want to go into mylo or lylo with his slot like it is but that can be addressed tomorrow if need be no?

See, day 2/3

You cant even trust him in a long run in general.
I would rather lynch a harmful someone in this game.
Also he has been laying low.

Dont you agree with my meta-read now?
I believe this is the most beneficial pathway I could take right now.
I also think so..
Since it's better to get info out of PR tommorow and have a better grasp of alignment..
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Since if he's a mafia..
He can lurk since it's pretty much his play style when I was playing before
Let's just say I'm meta reading since he once played sk and lurked till the end
So why not ask him questions, poke, or try and prod him into activity? Isn't it our job to try and make these players active? If they don't want to get active then do we start lynching from the bottom up?
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logic340 said:
_Claire_ said:

See, day 2/3

You cant even trust him in a long run in general.
I would rather lynch a harmful someone in this game.
Also he has been laying low.

Dont you agree with my meta-read now?
I believe this is the most beneficial pathway I could take right now.
I do somewhat agree with your read. He is laying low (to an extent) but then there is the CP is town cleared post which is not laying low. He parked his vote on me and dipped which is NAI at this point. Not enough information at this point.

And you think Grape should be lynched instead of him?

You know, come day 2/3/4, we will come to the phase where "grrr must be scum" phase. We can deal with it now.
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logic340 said:
followind said:
So why not ask him questions, poke, or try and prod him into activity? Isn't it our job to try and make these players active? If they don't want to get active then do we start lynching from the bottom up?

I am not a big fan on lynching an inactive, but inactivity isnt why I want grrrr dead.
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logic340 said:
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So why not ask him questions, poke, or try and prod him into activity? Isn't it our job to try and make these players active? If they don't want to get active then do we start lynching from the bottom up?

It's not that easy to get grr to be active..
Even if he's active.. He'll usually just fluff or make a reason that I don't really understand
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I need to go and sleep soon, so:

Vote: Grrrr
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I'm siding with claire on this vote..
It's too confusing and causes too much paranoia for me..

Vote: Grrr
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_Claire_ said:
logic340 said:
So why not ask him questions, poke, or try and prod him into activity? Isn't it our job to try and make these players active? If they don't want to get active then do we start lynching from the bottom up?

I am not a big fan on lynching an inactive, but inactivity isnt why I want grrrr dead.
If it's not due to activity then what is it for? Saying Purity is town? Care to give some support from this game?

followind said:
logic340 said:
So why not ask him questions, poke, or try and prod him into activity? Isn't it our job to try and make these players active? If they don't want to get active then do we start lynching from the bottom up?

It's not that easy to get grr to be active..
Even if he's active.. He'll usually just fluff or make a reason that I don't really understand
For someone who doesn't meta play you sure have been using it a lot to justify your recent arguments.
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logic340 said:
_Claire_ said:

I am not a big fan on lynching an inactive, but inactivity isnt why I want grrrr dead.
If it's not due to activity then what is it for? Saying Purity is town? Care to give some support from this game?

followind said:

It's not that easy to get grr to be active..
Even if he's active.. He'll usually just fluff or make a reason that I don't really understand
For someone who doesn't meta play you sure have been using it a lot to justify your recent arguments.

I told you he lay low more than he usually is.

God do you even read my post.

Thoughts before I go: followind is indeed very weird with that vote placed now, and his reluctance to take side on Grape/CP is sth I will note later on. Another note is, I am very troubled about CP's alignment, but I would resolve it later on.
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Yup I think I am very comfortable with my vote on Claire for the time being.

@followind how does Claire look to you for the push on CP and subsequent switch to LHF grrr? I understand you moved with her but you were opposed to a CP lynch like I was.
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(I'm mobile ATM so please bear with me) Hm... Penta finally did share some thoughts with us but I'm still not 100% on them, I think I'll keep my vote on them. I'm not convinced enough on anybody else right now. I think Grape is someone I'll look into later because the jumping trains thing and I don't really like how grrr hasn't done much but I'll leave that be for now, neither of those screams maf to me
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logic340 said:
Yup I think I am very comfortable with my vote on Claire for the time being.

@followind how does Claire look to you for the push on CP and subsequent switch to LHF grrr? I understand you moved with her but you were opposed to a CP lynch like I was.

You voted Grape, are you drunk? :/
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