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Mar 22, 2017 7:23 AM
#551
PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: Well, since I didn't get anything out of that attempt to not comment on any of the main wagons, time to do a dump from my notes. Please don't just skip over this because it is a wall or just nod along and move on. I want to know what others think about what I'm bringing up. My thoughts regarding CorruptedPurity: Corrupted is probably mafia. Their actions so far this phase give the impression of a mafia player trying to appear like a productive townie instead of genuine scumhunting. The first post which seems scummy is #51 where they comment on Grapefruit's ultimatum. Paraphrased, the post is "This is a good point, but this isn't normal grapefruit". This emphasis is placed on the second half, being that this isn't normal grapefruit. This kind of post does two things: creates doubt about grapefruit and suggests a scumlean based on meta. However, the post includes only facts and skips the throught process. There isn't a "this is unusual for grape and since I've only seen them as town this different behavious makes me think they are a different alignment". That would be a scumlean, however small (considering this is only the top of the second page). Instead, therefore, the scumlean is not the main intent of this post, so it must be the doubt. Creating doubt about other players so early is scummy because town only cast doubt on decently developed scumreads. In #110, Corrupted talks about the grapefruit post again and makes it even more clear that the goal is not the scumlean because they suggest both a mafia motive behind the change and a town motive behind the change. Possibility of either = doubt. A little further down in #117 they answer my day cop question addressed to Crossbell. They obviously know I'm asking a hypothetical question because they list me as one of the options. Therefore, I can only see one reason for answering the question. They are seizing the opportunity to contribute to just about anything because contribution seems townlike. It is true that town can also try to look like town because getting lynched as town is bad but this is much more often a mafia action because mafia can't rely on genuine towniness. However, the extra thing that tips it further into being a mafia motivated action is that another town member would also be interested in how Cross would respond. Discussing the topic before Cross can answer would likely make Cross's answer less important because of the amount that's been discussed already. (luckily Cross reads and answers in order). It is likely that Corrupted simply wasn't interested in finding out Cross's alignment which a town member wouldn't be. These two things combined make answering the question more mafia-like than townie. #150 also explicitly states there is no scumread on grapefruit. The shade being cast is just for the sake of casting shade. It is true that #155 is expressing a town mindset. Taking a close look at voters who build large trains is important. However, this isn't a very strong townlean. The three scumleans mentioned so far are adding up to a stronger swing that way. I'm not going to cite much of the discussion of cop checks and order of priority. It is nice that they are expressing suspicions, but overall I find it non-alignment indicative. The only other posts are trying to pry information out of me but that is also non-alignment indicative because I was being so antitown that I was a super easy target to pressure no matter what the alignment of the person doing the pressuring was. That's all for now folks! Ok. Thanks for giving me something to play with. Let's break this down. Regarding post #51. Maybe that post is supposed to do something outside the two you suggested, maybe the purpose of my post is to pressure Grapefruit (which is working, he is responding to it). As I said, I don't like voting without substantial evidence. From my POV, I had reasons to suspect Grapfruit but it isn't enough, I need him to post more for me to get more reads off of him and more evidence off of him. Scumlean is not my main intent of that post, it is to set up for future scum leans depending on how Grape responded. Maybe I did create doubt in some other's but it is merely an unintended side effect of me pushing into Grape. #110. I push onto him because I want to determine if he was scum. Based on his responses, I cannot 100% nail him down as scum and thus need to keep my views open. Or would you rather me tunnel on him to be scum? #117. This is an interesting one. I thought you were asking hypothetical cop and although I wasn't Cross, I was dying to talk to someone, anyone, about anything. You posed an interesting question and thus I decided to stick my nose into it (maybe I was wrong to do so but I was so bored, I'm sorry). Things got slightly out of hand when I mistaken day cop for normal cop and got others involved, not necessarily a bad thing because that is more information we can look back on in the future. Now, the second part. I don't know if you're overvaluing getting information from Cross or I'm undervaluing it. Cross has done nothing to raise any scum alerts in me so no I wasn't interested in finding out much about him at the time, maybe in the future but as of that moment, no. I thought that my answer would've stopped there instead of going rampant with the rest so I honestly did not expect my involvement to hinder your read on Cross, and I must apologize for that. What I didn't like was your lack of involvement in the discussion you started. But that's not the point, I'll save my suspicions of you for a different post. I really think you're overvaluing Cross and blaming me for ruining your read, cos I don't see a scum in myself in that play. #150 Starting to sound like a broken recorder here but I as I said, I'm not throwing shade to cast doubt or shit. I want to pressure him, I don't want to lynch him yet as I need more evidence of him being scum to give myself the conviction to place the Grape vote. "The only other posts are trying to pry information out of me but that is also non-alignment indicative because I was being so antitown that I was a super easy target to pressure no matter what the alignment of the person doing the pressuring was." You seem to know your own predicament. Is this intentional or not? Why would you want to appear anti-town? I can't see #51 as pressure because it isn't. To be pressuring someone, you need to be trying to elicit a change from them. Your post was commenting on grape's meta. It is related to how they've decided to play this game. Just saying "Hey, you are playing differently" isn't going to change how they play. Why wouldn't you be interested in learning about Cross? Even if you don't scumread Cross, you should still be trying to sort all players one way or another. The only reason to not be interest is if you already know. The way you are saying that you don't have the evidence to place a vote yet is incredibly scummy. You don't believe grape is vote-worthy yet, so you are just going to push them until you can find anything to support a vote. You've already decided what your read is going to be and are just finding ways to support it. Yes my anti-town behaviour was intentional, try rereading my exchange with grape before my wall post. 1)Dunno how you define pressure, but I believed that I've (successfully) pressured grape. When I say pressure, I mean applying pressure to which will cause them to react, and from the reaction I can analyse to gain more information on whether my read is right or not. I don't want to change the way they play, I want to understand the way they play and whether it is pro-town or anti-town. 2)I wouldn't be interested in learning about cross yet. He'd post enough by the time I want to get a read on him, priority for me was getting as much information as possible. And arguably, we got more information from followind and amberwillow and rosie reacting to the question than cross. As I said, I never intended to hinder your attempt to read cross. But you can always do that at another time. 3)You prefer for me to just vote Grape without hearing out everything first? And yes, I'm going to push him until I find something to support my vote. If I can't find anything to support my vote, then that would clear Grape for me. Also, I don't know really understand your anti-town playstyle but if you're really sure you know what you're doing, I'll leave you be for now... My problem is that you are approaching the attack on grapefruit as showing why they are scum and not determining if they are scum. That's what I've caught from your posts. Also,my current behaviour is not antitown. That was just the gambit I was doing with grapefruit earlier. If you think I am being antitown, can you show why instead of just discrediting me by continuing to throw the word antitown around when it no longer applies to what I am doing? 1)I think that is just a matter of perspective. I think my attack on grapefruit have provoked him (more than I wanted to) and this have helped me draw further evidence of why I think he's scum. Of course I can see your point of view of how I seem to be throwing shade at him but not committing to anything. I don't think I have to ability to change your mind because perspective matters, and you having a different perspective of my actions is good. Just not in the way I wanted it. 2)Perhaps I worded it wrongly, your behavior WAS anti-town. I believe that ever since your ISO on me onwards, you proved to be very pro town and I do respect your decision. It is everything before your ISO on me where you kept hiding your opinions from everyone that I deemed anti-town. I wanted an explanation for that before Grape's relentless assault on me diverted my attention away. Also, even though it's a gambit for grape, it was still anti-town behavior. Not holding you to it, I just didn't see the bigger picture at that point. Even if you lynch me, I ain't mad at you, your argument holds water and it makes sense for you to lynch me. I just didn't think my train would end up like this. |
Mar 22, 2017 7:24 AM
#552
Grapefruit21 said: Fair enough if you are town lets make that mason magic again but turn it into a win this time! Going to take a break for a while too for real tis time.Okay real last post before bed, to people who didn't play Alcatraz do my walls read emotionally? I felt completely relaxed making them, but I may be biased. I feel like logic who brought up the accusation of acting based on emotion is the player acting the most emotionally. His response to my walls did not feel measured or thought out. Lastly @logic340 some of your arguments and reads are awesome. You were new spot on in Harhui and same in FT once you got out of the tunnel. And disagaea too. We all have bad games and we all have good games. |
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Mar 22, 2017 7:26 AM
#553
followind said: RE1031 said: I'm not sure..I actually don't think CorruptedPurity is mafia this time.. Feel like he would be giving a lot more attention to the Penta thing otherwise. Unless Penta is actually mafia but apparently this is his town gameplay? I'm not good at meta reading and I haven't played for a long time so I won't give any opinions Then don't! Reads based on this game are very valuable. Just share. There has been a ton spilled on me/CPurity reads on anything else are very valuable Logic I've seen you have awesome reads and reasons and you calling Oenta in Harhui was awesome. We all have good and bad games. *puts phone down and tries furiously to ignore it and sleep* |
Mar 22, 2017 7:26 AM
#554
graefruit21 said: Spot on it wasn't I'm not feeling the arguments and I know there is some emotion on Claire's side because she emphasized it in 118-120. Triple post that does nothing for the game only discusses previous game is what kit nailed me for in the Alcatraz D1 her activity has spiked since I brought that information to light?I feel like logic who brought up the accusation of acting based on emotion is the player acting the most emotionally. His response to my walls did not feel measured or thought out. |
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Mar 22, 2017 7:34 AM
#555
| Near the end of the day and I'm still confused whether I should vote grape or CP.. This is a tough decision for me to make tbh Can anyone provide me with any insights? |
Mar 22, 2017 7:39 AM
#556
followind said: I am almost tempted to call this shit a t/t ideological difference but I am uncertain with both as well. My reasons for doubting CP is that we were just mafia and if he acts like he did when we were a team I will lynch him. Claire has also played as mafia with him recently so he should be treading lightly with both of us. Those two sets of eyes plus everyone else should be enough to catch him slipping I would think so another option may be worth hearing. Lynches going easy is something that usually means town are top targets (from my experience) I have yet to have an easy early lynch on scum (that wasn't lead by scum).Near the end of the day and I'm still confused whether I should vote grape or CP.. This is a tough decision for me to make tbh Can anyone provide me with any insights? I'm torn there too neither is on my town side of the list. Do you have anyone you trust? What about the three that Penta and I said should be safe from lynch today (lam, willow, Crossbell) any thoughts on them? |
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Mar 22, 2017 7:43 AM
#557
logic340 said: followind said: I am almost tempted to call this shit a t/t ideological difference but I am uncertain with both as well. My reasons for doubting CP is that we were just mafia and if he acts like he did when we were a team I will lynch him. Claire has also played as mafia with him recently so he should be treading lightly with both of us. Those two sets of eyes plus everyone else should be enough to catch him slipping I would think so another option may be worth hearing. Lynches going easy is something that usually means town are top targets (from my experience) I have yet to have an easy early lynch on scum (that wasn't lead by scum).Near the end of the day and I'm still confused whether I should vote grape or CP.. This is a tough decision for me to make tbh Can anyone provide me with any insights? I'm torn there too neither is on my town side of the list. Do you have anyone you trust? What about the three that Penta and I said should be safe from lynch today (lam, willow, Crossbell) any thoughts on them? I agree with Lam and Willow but I still don't get a town vibe from cross.. As I know from before he is more of a analytical player and tend to be more active.. Meta reading aside, I don't think he contributed to anything yet.. Also.. I'm having a paranoia where I think Penta might be scum that's trying to push a lynch on CP since CP have a lot of things that could be solid reasoning.. Which is why I'm really confused right now |
Mar 22, 2017 7:45 AM
#558
| Ok I feel like I'm guilty of being emotional over the grape thing too. I should sleep now... If I get lynched and flip town while asleep, please for the love of the cute kittens this nice game was originally based on before into a bloodbath, look into grape. Analyse every post he makes and all of his reasons for lynching me. |
Mar 22, 2017 7:49 AM
#559
followind said: After I did my first read though I felt he same way. I was like Crossbell said he posted a bunch but it didn't leave an impression. When I went back and looked there are some good content rich posts so I only have a slight vibe. Those are the only 3 I get a slight town vibe from. Everyone else is scum vibe when my read list came out. logic340 said: followind said: Near the end of the day and I'm still confused whether I should vote grape or CP.. This is a tough decision for me to make tbh Can anyone provide me with any insights? I'm torn there too neither is on my town side of the list. Do you have anyone you trust? What about the three that Penta and I said should be safe from lynch today (lam, willow, Crossbell) any thoughts on them? I agree with Lam and Willow but I still don't get a town vibe from cross.. As I know from before he is more of a analytical player and tend to be more active.. Meta reading aside, I don't think he contributed to anything yet.. Also.. I'm having a paranoia where I think Penta might be scum that's trying to push a lynch on CP since CP have a lot of things that could be solid reasoning.. Which is why I'm really confused right now I will agree Crossbell is distant and hasn't really his presence fades when he isn't in the thread. I guess you could say he's town when here and IDK how I feel when he isn't. There were a lot of catch up posts so saying you don't see town cross is understandable. |
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Mar 22, 2017 7:52 AM
#560
followind said: I agree none of this is outside the bounds of scum Penta's play. Grapefruit even noted it which make me wonder why he's so comfortable pushing CP with Penta knowing that? I need to go back and look but don't want to start tunneling this Grape shit.Also.. I'm having a paranoia where I think Penta might be scum that's trying to push a lynch on CP since CP have a lot of things that could be solid reasoning.. Which is why I'm really confused right now Their interactions seem strange and Penta questioning me about Pre-flip association when I was saying that I cannot say he and grapefruit are unaligned just give me bad vibes. |
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Mar 22, 2017 7:54 AM
#561
logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: I was your mason in Haruhi and while you were out on Lucian you still kept your feelers going elsewhere. FT I would say does not feel like this game for your start, but would need to go back and read it to be certain. I want to hear @_Claire_'s take on CP's Grapefruit meta please (there I asked again)? Your self meta feels somewhat off to me as you have changed greatly since FT mafiaCorruptedPurity said: Death by salt... never thought I would go out this way... Alriiight, let's do this! Grapefruit21 said: Since it was asked for the case on CP, though Penta made it better already. CorruptedPurity said: Interesting... My thoughts are that even though Grape brings up a good point, it is not like him to make such a post. He is usually more reserved on the first day and gets more revved up the longer the game goes. He has a snowball-y playstyle and I find it unusual that he's this fiesty this early in the game. And for logic, I just think that dog people are frowned upon in this game... Meta read posturing. CorruptedPurity said: Crossbell said: Grape: Is there a reason why you moved your vote onto RE1031 instead of letting the RVS-logic wagon get to five votes? We have to take any chance of wagon analysis we have, even if it's in RVS. CorruptedPurity said: Why so fiesty @grapefruit21? Also, I don't participate in RVS. Will leave comments and analysis mid-RVS though. Why do you not participate in RVS? CorruptedPurity said: If you find it unusual that Grape is fiesty this early in the game, what do you think it means for his alignment?Interesting... My thoughts are that even though Grape brings up a good point, it is not like him to make such a post. He is usually more reserved on the first day and gets more revved up the longer the game goes. He has a snowball-y playstyle and I find it unusual that he's this fiesty this early in the game. Can you bring up games where you think that Grape has a "snowball-y" playstyle? That's not really how I would classify Grape, so interested in your thought process here. Grapefruit said: What is your reasoning?First town lean of the game to Sollux! I like CP so far this game; reminds me of how I played in Final Fantasy Mafia with all the spice. I like spicy reads. Honestly never liked the idea of RVS. Besides, others will do the poking, I can analyse from that, I also have a policy of not voting unless I can support it with good evidence. Check out my other recent games... Regarding Grape, I have played 2 games with him and both games gave me a snowball-y feel. Firstly, The Twins Mafia. He didn't do anything of importance of the first day, but on the second day, he started tunneling on RE like nobody's business and went full ham. He exploded more on posts but he got lynched cause he just seemed scummy due to the way he tunneled. Secondly and more recently, the Alcatraz mafia, still ongoing btw so you can check it out. The first day people are lynching our beautiful host Kit for no reason, he didn't seem to be too bothered. The entire first day he had no impact or presence, he was almost a null-factor. Come day 2, he tunneled crazy into Suzune for mechanical difference in views (basically how miller claim should be treated). He again exploded alot with suzu on day 2. On day 3, he started tunneling onto Logic instead when suzu died. He gave long detailed posts about him and a few of his other scum-reads. Come day 4, he literally analysed every player and their potential to be scum. He even created a scenario where every town-read is secretly scum. Then he went back to tunneling on logic but he also did in-depth analysis of alot of other players again for every post they made. So when he started today with a strong stage presence, I wondered why. Why would anyone want stage presence when they usually don't? Maybe so it's easier to manipulate and pocket others? So that their points seem more valid and can be heard better? Also, I've heard alot about you Crossbell, it's an honor playing with you. Have a good game! Then proceeds to not back down after a gentle push that the read was incorrect. CorruptedPurity said: Fourth on the Logic train. No reasoning. The first 2 on the train during RVS is forgivable, the third should be looked into and the fourth must be looked into. You didn't make a joke about why you want to lynch logic, you just joined a train. Why? Here gives a strongly anti town post. It isn't even just scum reading a vote, which is fine, but posturing that future votes will be scum read too, putting a chilling effect on voting. This sort of attititude hurts town greatly. Then we have the whole fiasco with Penta's hypothetical. I already got into why I thought the attitude discussing me was harmful to town and so did Penta but I want to talk about CPurity sowing confusion. Before this post CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: I know I'm not cross but cop should either check lurkers/almost lurkers like grrr or yourself, or they should check the louder people who drew attention to themselves, like grape or maybe even me for example. That's my 2 cents at least. That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check? I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). No one had shown any confusion that this was anything but a hypothetical. Penta's post did nothing to suggest that it was a claim and Purity throws it out there anyway. But in a negative context. Blaming initially before anything has happened. I struggle to see the town motivation behind that, because if you thought it was a claim as town it would be in your best interest not to draw attention to it and let it go and hope scum don't notice. This loudly and boldly does the opposite. And in a situation where it makes no sense to. Intermission. P.S. everything was an exageration but going through the Iso not by as much as I'd figured. 1) Gentle push that my read was incorrect? Look at that quote by Crossbell, he asked me to bring up some games where I think you had a "snowball-y" playstyle. I'm responding to his request, there was defense from you there or an indication that my read was incorrect. 2) Regarding the Grrr being on Logic train. I explained my reasoning already, go look back and read it. In a world there you do not agree with me, a simple difference in view does not make me scum. I believe that people going onto trains that are already choo-chooing all over town to be scummy because they can just hop on without explaining themselves. I wanted an explanation and you're onto me because of that? It looks more like a poor attempt at redirecting away attention from you then anything else. 3)What part of me "really hope this isn't a claim" sounds like I'm saying that he claimed? I already mentioned that it is a hypothetical world in the very same quote. "Blaming initially before anything happened" Who did I blame? What did I blame about? Wtf are you talking about? Why would I care about drawing attention to it, it was a hypothetical question. As for 1. I suggested you check Harhui, FT, or LQ and you'd see an active engaged me on D1. Your read was I don't make splashy plays or be that active on D1 and it's not particularly accurate. I think I hve said this countless time but I dont have anything (meta included) against Grape. He feels like how he was. Some goes to another. Is it me or you are trying very hard to paint Grape scum using every single detail? |
Mar 22, 2017 7:56 AM
#562
_Claire_ said: It's just you....logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: CorruptedPurity said: Death by salt... never thought I would go out this way... Alriiight, let's do this! Grapefruit21 said: Since it was asked for the case on CP, though Penta made it better already. CorruptedPurity said: Interesting... My thoughts are that even though Grape brings up a good point, it is not like him to make such a post. He is usually more reserved on the first day and gets more revved up the longer the game goes. He has a snowball-y playstyle and I find it unusual that he's this fiesty this early in the game. And for logic, I just think that dog people are frowned upon in this game... Meta read posturing. CorruptedPurity said: Crossbell said: Grape: Is there a reason why you moved your vote onto RE1031 instead of letting the RVS-logic wagon get to five votes? We have to take any chance of wagon analysis we have, even if it's in RVS. CorruptedPurity said: Why so fiesty @grapefruit21? Also, I don't participate in RVS. Will leave comments and analysis mid-RVS though. Why do you not participate in RVS? CorruptedPurity said: If you find it unusual that Grape is fiesty this early in the game, what do you think it means for his alignment?Interesting... My thoughts are that even though Grape brings up a good point, it is not like him to make such a post. He is usually more reserved on the first day and gets more revved up the longer the game goes. He has a snowball-y playstyle and I find it unusual that he's this fiesty this early in the game. Can you bring up games where you think that Grape has a "snowball-y" playstyle? That's not really how I would classify Grape, so interested in your thought process here. Grapefruit said: What is your reasoning?First town lean of the game to Sollux! I like CP so far this game; reminds me of how I played in Final Fantasy Mafia with all the spice. I like spicy reads. Honestly never liked the idea of RVS. Besides, others will do the poking, I can analyse from that, I also have a policy of not voting unless I can support it with good evidence. Check out my other recent games... Regarding Grape, I have played 2 games with him and both games gave me a snowball-y feel. Firstly, The Twins Mafia. He didn't do anything of importance of the first day, but on the second day, he started tunneling on RE like nobody's business and went full ham. He exploded more on posts but he got lynched cause he just seemed scummy due to the way he tunneled. Secondly and more recently, the Alcatraz mafia, still ongoing btw so you can check it out. The first day people are lynching our beautiful host Kit for no reason, he didn't seem to be too bothered. The entire first day he had no impact or presence, he was almost a null-factor. Come day 2, he tunneled crazy into Suzune for mechanical difference in views (basically how miller claim should be treated). He again exploded alot with suzu on day 2. On day 3, he started tunneling onto Logic instead when suzu died. He gave long detailed posts about him and a few of his other scum-reads. Come day 4, he literally analysed every player and their potential to be scum. He even created a scenario where every town-read is secretly scum. Then he went back to tunneling on logic but he also did in-depth analysis of alot of other players again for every post they made. So when he started today with a strong stage presence, I wondered why. Why would anyone want stage presence when they usually don't? Maybe so it's easier to manipulate and pocket others? So that their points seem more valid and can be heard better? Also, I've heard alot about you Crossbell, it's an honor playing with you. Have a good game! Then proceeds to not back down after a gentle push that the read was incorrect. CorruptedPurity said: Fourth on the Logic train. No reasoning. The first 2 on the train during RVS is forgivable, the third should be looked into and the fourth must be looked into. You didn't make a joke about why you want to lynch logic, you just joined a train. Why? Here gives a strongly anti town post. It isn't even just scum reading a vote, which is fine, but posturing that future votes will be scum read too, putting a chilling effect on voting. This sort of attititude hurts town greatly. Then we have the whole fiasco with Penta's hypothetical. I already got into why I thought the attitude discussing me was harmful to town and so did Penta but I want to talk about CPurity sowing confusion. Before this post CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: I know I'm not cross but cop should either check lurkers/almost lurkers like grrr or yourself, or they should check the louder people who drew attention to themselves, like grape or maybe even me for example. That's my 2 cents at least. That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check? I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). No one had shown any confusion that this was anything but a hypothetical. Penta's post did nothing to suggest that it was a claim and Purity throws it out there anyway. But in a negative context. Blaming initially before anything has happened. I struggle to see the town motivation behind that, because if you thought it was a claim as town it would be in your best interest not to draw attention to it and let it go and hope scum don't notice. This loudly and boldly does the opposite. And in a situation where it makes no sense to. Intermission. P.S. everything was an exageration but going through the Iso not by as much as I'd figured. 1) Gentle push that my read was incorrect? Look at that quote by Crossbell, he asked me to bring up some games where I think you had a "snowball-y" playstyle. I'm responding to his request, there was defense from you there or an indication that my read was incorrect. 2) Regarding the Grrr being on Logic train. I explained my reasoning already, go look back and read it. In a world there you do not agree with me, a simple difference in view does not make me scum. I believe that people going onto trains that are already choo-chooing all over town to be scummy because they can just hop on without explaining themselves. I wanted an explanation and you're onto me because of that? It looks more like a poor attempt at redirecting away attention from you then anything else. 3)What part of me "really hope this isn't a claim" sounds like I'm saying that he claimed? I already mentioned that it is a hypothetical world in the very same quote. "Blaming initially before anything happened" Who did I blame? What did I blame about? Wtf are you talking about? Why would I care about drawing attention to it, it was a hypothetical question. As for 1. I suggested you check Harhui, FT, or LQ and you'd see an active engaged me on D1. Your read was I don't make splashy plays or be that active on D1 and it's not particularly accurate. I think I hve said this countless time but I dont have anything (meta included) against Grape. He feels like how he was. Some goes to another. Is it me or you are trying very hard to paint Grape scum using every single detail? |
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Mar 22, 2017 7:57 AM
#563
logic340 said: _Claire_ said: It's just you....logic340 said: Grapefruit21 said: I was your mason in Haruhi and while you were out on Lucian you still kept your feelers going elsewhere. FT I would say does not feel like this game for your start, but would need to go back and read it to be certain. I want to hear @_Claire_'s take on CP's Grapefruit meta please (there I asked again)? Your self meta feels somewhat off to me as you have changed greatly since FT mafiaCorruptedPurity said: Death by salt... never thought I would go out this way... Alriiight, let's do this! Grapefruit21 said: Since it was asked for the case on CP, though Penta made it better already. CorruptedPurity said: Interesting... My thoughts are that even though Grape brings up a good point, it is not like him to make such a post. He is usually more reserved on the first day and gets more revved up the longer the game goes. He has a snowball-y playstyle and I find it unusual that he's this fiesty this early in the game. And for logic, I just think that dog people are frowned upon in this game... Meta read posturing. CorruptedPurity said: Crossbell said: Grape: Is there a reason why you moved your vote onto RE1031 instead of letting the RVS-logic wagon get to five votes? We have to take any chance of wagon analysis we have, even if it's in RVS. CorruptedPurity said: Why so fiesty @grapefruit21? Also, I don't participate in RVS. Will leave comments and analysis mid-RVS though. Why do you not participate in RVS? CorruptedPurity said: If you find it unusual that Grape is fiesty this early in the game, what do you think it means for his alignment?Interesting... My thoughts are that even though Grape brings up a good point, it is not like him to make such a post. He is usually more reserved on the first day and gets more revved up the longer the game goes. He has a snowball-y playstyle and I find it unusual that he's this fiesty this early in the game. Can you bring up games where you think that Grape has a "snowball-y" playstyle? That's not really how I would classify Grape, so interested in your thought process here. Grapefruit said: What is your reasoning?First town lean of the game to Sollux! I like CP so far this game; reminds me of how I played in Final Fantasy Mafia with all the spice. I like spicy reads. Honestly never liked the idea of RVS. Besides, others will do the poking, I can analyse from that, I also have a policy of not voting unless I can support it with good evidence. Check out my other recent games... Regarding Grape, I have played 2 games with him and both games gave me a snowball-y feel. Firstly, The Twins Mafia. He didn't do anything of importance of the first day, but on the second day, he started tunneling on RE like nobody's business and went full ham. He exploded more on posts but he got lynched cause he just seemed scummy due to the way he tunneled. Secondly and more recently, the Alcatraz mafia, still ongoing btw so you can check it out. The first day people are lynching our beautiful host Kit for no reason, he didn't seem to be too bothered. The entire first day he had no impact or presence, he was almost a null-factor. Come day 2, he tunneled crazy into Suzune for mechanical difference in views (basically how miller claim should be treated). He again exploded alot with suzu on day 2. On day 3, he started tunneling onto Logic instead when suzu died. He gave long detailed posts about him and a few of his other scum-reads. Come day 4, he literally analysed every player and their potential to be scum. He even created a scenario where every town-read is secretly scum. Then he went back to tunneling on logic but he also did in-depth analysis of alot of other players again for every post they made. So when he started today with a strong stage presence, I wondered why. Why would anyone want stage presence when they usually don't? Maybe so it's easier to manipulate and pocket others? So that their points seem more valid and can be heard better? Also, I've heard alot about you Crossbell, it's an honor playing with you. Have a good game! Then proceeds to not back down after a gentle push that the read was incorrect. CorruptedPurity said: Fourth on the Logic train. No reasoning. The first 2 on the train during RVS is forgivable, the third should be looked into and the fourth must be looked into. You didn't make a joke about why you want to lynch logic, you just joined a train. Why? Here gives a strongly anti town post. It isn't even just scum reading a vote, which is fine, but posturing that future votes will be scum read too, putting a chilling effect on voting. This sort of attititude hurts town greatly. Then we have the whole fiasco with Penta's hypothetical. I already got into why I thought the attitude discussing me was harmful to town and so did Penta but I want to talk about CPurity sowing confusion. Before this post CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: I know I'm not cross but cop should either check lurkers/almost lurkers like grrr or yourself, or they should check the louder people who drew attention to themselves, like grape or maybe even me for example. That's my 2 cents at least. That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check? I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). No one had shown any confusion that this was anything but a hypothetical. Penta's post did nothing to suggest that it was a claim and Purity throws it out there anyway. But in a negative context. Blaming initially before anything has happened. I struggle to see the town motivation behind that, because if you thought it was a claim as town it would be in your best interest not to draw attention to it and let it go and hope scum don't notice. This loudly and boldly does the opposite. And in a situation where it makes no sense to. Intermission. P.S. everything was an exageration but going through the Iso not by as much as I'd figured. 1) Gentle push that my read was incorrect? Look at that quote by Crossbell, he asked me to bring up some games where I think you had a "snowball-y" playstyle. I'm responding to his request, there was defense from you there or an indication that my read was incorrect. 2) Regarding the Grrr being on Logic train. I explained my reasoning already, go look back and read it. In a world there you do not agree with me, a simple difference in view does not make me scum. I believe that people going onto trains that are already choo-chooing all over town to be scummy because they can just hop on without explaining themselves. I wanted an explanation and you're onto me because of that? It looks more like a poor attempt at redirecting away attention from you then anything else. 3)What part of me "really hope this isn't a claim" sounds like I'm saying that he claimed? I already mentioned that it is a hypothetical world in the very same quote. "Blaming initially before anything happened" Who did I blame? What did I blame about? Wtf are you talking about? Why would I care about drawing attention to it, it was a hypothetical question. As for 1. I suggested you check Harhui, FT, or LQ and you'd see an active engaged me on D1. Your read was I don't make splashy plays or be that active on D1 and it's not particularly accurate. I think I hve said this countless time but I dont have anything (meta included) against Grape. He feels like how he was. Some goes to another. Is it me or you are trying very hard to paint Grape scum using every single detail? Affirmative. |
Mar 22, 2017 7:58 AM
#564
| @_Claire_ now to retort you question back to you is it just me or you are trying hard to paint Purity scum using every single detail? |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:00 AM
#565
| Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? |
Mar 22, 2017 8:02 AM
#566
logic340 said: @_Claire_ now to retort you question back to you is it just me or you are trying hard to paint Purity scum using every single detail? Or. Also, I am not the only one thinking that way, and what you think of CP moving his vote to Grape? |
Mar 22, 2017 8:03 AM
#567
_Claire_ said: Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? I've mention this before but I didn't mention to the metaread.. but it was casually brushed off since he wasn't seen as a thread.. tbh.. I would comply to vote on grr rather than the three since after night.. we can get some more info from PR rather than just making possibilites |
Mar 22, 2017 8:04 AM
#568
_Claire_ said: He's no better than lynch fodder at this point imo. I don't think I will go there today we have better options at least better discussion for the time being.Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:06 AM
#569
followind said: _Claire_ said: Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? I've mention this before but I didn't mention to the metaread.. but it was casually brushed off since he wasn't seen as a thread.. tbh.. I would comply to vote on grr rather than the three since after night.. we can get some more info from PR rather than just making possibilites I have nothing against lynching grrr, he is harmful to town with his unpredicted behaviour and the way he just does stuff without much reasons/plans in mind. |
Mar 22, 2017 8:07 AM
#570
_Claire_ said: I find it justified for the tunnel that Grape has thrown himself down once again. Even if CP is scum then Grape should spend some time looking for his team mates. We spent too much time arguing and sitting at the top of the thread. Grape has some inconsistencies that don't match what I would expect from his town meta even comparing this game to FT which I don't see. That's why I asked you because I don't think you will be able to fake it if it is different. So no meta for now...cool I will ask your opinion again later. For now I would say neutral on both CP and Grape.logic340 said: @_Claire_ now to retort you question back to you is it just me or you are trying hard to paint Purity scum using every single detail? Or. Also, I am not the only one thinking that way, and what you think of CP moving his vote to Grape? |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:07 AM
#571
logic340 said: _Claire_ said: He's no better than lynch fodder at this point imo. I don't think I will go there today we have better options at least better discussion for the time being.Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? If you are town you should realize this from last game that grrr was extremely harmful to town. Dont you agree? You said you agreed with Grape last game that we should just shot Grrr instead of tunneling him at the end. |
Mar 22, 2017 8:09 AM
#572
logic340 said: _Claire_ said: I find it justified for the tunnel that Grape has thrown himself down once again. Even if CP is scum then Grape should spend some time looking for his team mates. We spent too much time arguing and sitting at the top of the thread. Grape has some inconsistencies that don't match what I would expect from his town meta even comparing this game to FT which I don't see. That's why I asked you because I don't think you will be able to fake it if it is different. So no meta for now...cool I will ask your opinion again later. For now I would say neutral on both CP and Grape.logic340 said: @_Claire_ now to retort you question back to you is it just me or you are trying hard to paint Purity scum using every single detail? Or. Also, I am not the only one thinking that way, and what you think of CP moving his vote to Grape? lols inconsistency.... Last game he had so much inconsistency and you guys were using that against him, no? :) |
Mar 22, 2017 8:09 AM
#573
_Claire_ said: Does he do things without reasoning or plans in mind? That isn't what I have gotten from him in the two games I have been in. I find him to be more calculating than you are giving credit for especially given his explanation of the miller claim in Alcatraz. That was not unplanned it was very long sighted. Is there a reason you are bashing grrr all of a sudden as we talk about possible different lynch options?followind said: _Claire_ said: Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? I've mention this before but I didn't mention to the metaread.. but it was casually brushed off since he wasn't seen as a thread.. tbh.. I would comply to vote on grr rather than the three since after night.. we can get some more info from PR rather than just making possibilites I have nothing against lynching grrr, he is harmful to town with his unpredicted behaviour and the way he just does stuff without much reasons/plans in mind. |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:12 AM
#574
_Claire_ said: The miller clam was harmful but I don't see what that has to do with what he has brought to this game? I am not going to punish grrr for last game just as I feel it's wrong for you to punish me and CP for being salty about it. So while I do think he was harmful, (so was everyone who didn't like Grapes suggestion for how to deal with Vig and Miller) I don't see him being harmful here (at least not yet). Sometimes those things you deem harmful actually help like when you tunneled him for 3 days in NnT which gave me a Vote Count that showed me exactly where the scum were.logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? If you are town you should realize this from last game that grrr was extremely harmful to town. Dont you agree? You said you agreed with Grape last game that we should just shot Grrr instead of tunneling him at the end. |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:12 AM
#575
logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Does he do things without reasoning or plans in mind? That isn't what I have gotten from him in the two games I have been in. I find him to be more calculating than you are giving credit for especially given his explanation of the miller claim in Alcatraz. That was not unplanned it was very long sighted. Is there a reason you are bashing grrr all of a sudden as we talk about possible different lynch options?followind said: _Claire_ said: Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? I've mention this before but I didn't mention to the metaread.. but it was casually brushed off since he wasn't seen as a thread.. tbh.. I would comply to vote on grr rather than the three since after night.. we can get some more info from PR rather than just making possibilites I have nothing against lynching grrr, he is harmful to town with his unpredicted behaviour and the way he just does stuff without much reasons/plans in mind. I had something in mind back then, but I can see it isnt working now. It is a very bad phase change for me so I cant do much. I have played with grrr more than a couple of times, and thats what I conclude from him tbh. Also as I have said, he is not his usual town!grrr. |
Mar 22, 2017 8:13 AM
#576
logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Does he do things without reasoning or plans in mind? That isn't what I have gotten from him in the two games I have been in. I find him to be more calculating than you are giving credit for especially given his explanation of the miller claim in Alcatraz. That was not unplanned it was very long sighted. Is there a reason you are bashing grrr all of a sudden as we talk about possible different lynch options?followind said: _Claire_ said: Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? I've mention this before but I didn't mention to the metaread.. but it was casually brushed off since he wasn't seen as a thread.. tbh.. I would comply to vote on grr rather than the three since after night.. we can get some more info from PR rather than just making possibilites I have nothing against lynching grrr, he is harmful to town with his unpredicted behaviour and the way he just does stuff without much reasons/plans in mind. He's a possible lynch target I've talked about this before so I won't explain myself again.. It's too much of a hassle |
Mar 22, 2017 8:13 AM
#577
logic340 said: I dont care for those three tunneling days. I hate that game because I was TPR and I wasnt motivated at all._Claire_ said: The miller clam was harmful but I don't see what that has to do with what he has brought to this game? I am not going to punish grrr for last game just as I feel it's wrong for you to punish me and CP for being salty about it. So while I do think he was harmful, (so was everyone who didn't like Grapes suggestion for how to deal with Vig and Miller) I don't see him being harmful here (at least not yet). Sometimes those things you deem harmful actually help like when you tunneled him for 3 days in NnT which gave me a Vote Count that showed me exactly where the scum were.logic340 said: _Claire_ said: He's no better than lynch fodder at this point imo. I don't think I will go there today we have better options at least better discussion for the time being.Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? If you are town you should realize this from last game that grrr was extremely harmful to town. Dont you agree? You said you agreed with Grape last game that we should just shot Grrr instead of tunneling him at the end. I am honestly having trouble communicating with you lols. Do you think that was my first time playing with grrr? |
Mar 22, 2017 8:15 AM
#578
_Claire_ said: Think about what my mindset was and what I was facing at the time. I had to throw the kitchen sink at him. Some saw through my BS other didn't. Here is quite different and again you are using other games to judge this one. I will ask you to please stop doing that? This game what are you getting off of this game and what's happening here right now.logic340 said: _Claire_ said: logic340 said: @_Claire_ now to retort you question back to you is it just me or you are trying hard to paint Purity scum using every single detail? Or. Also, I am not the only one thinking that way, and what you think of CP moving his vote to Grape? lols inconsistency.... Last game he had so much inconsistency and you guys were using that against him, no? :) |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:16 AM
#579
| @CorruptedPurity what do you think of Grrr? |
Mar 22, 2017 8:17 AM
#580
logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Think about what my mindset was and what I was facing at the time. I had to throw the kitchen sink at him. Some saw through my BS other didn't. Here is quite different and again you are using other games to judge this one. I will ask you to please stop doing that? This game what are you getting off of this game and what's happening here right now.logic340 said: _Claire_ said: I find it justified for the tunnel that Grape has thrown himself down once again. Even if CP is scum then Grape should spend some time looking for his team mates. We spent too much time arguing and sitting at the top of the thread. Grape has some inconsistencies that don't match what I would expect from his town meta even comparing this game to FT which I don't see. That's why I asked you because I don't think you will be able to fake it if it is different. So no meta for now...cool I will ask your opinion again later. For now I would say neutral on both CP and Grape.logic340 said: @_Claire_ now to retort you question back to you is it just me or you are trying hard to paint Purity scum using every single detail? Or. Also, I am not the only one thinking that way, and what you think of CP moving his vote to Grape? lols inconsistency.... Last game he had so much inconsistency and you guys were using that against him, no? :) Lols I dont know your alignment yet, why should I assume you wont do that BS again? Because yeah, I am calling BS on your read on Grape, I am even not gonna discuss about Grape anymore lol. |
Mar 22, 2017 8:17 AM
#581
_Claire_ said: Fair enough and I respect your meta enough to believe you are not being malicious right now. I just don't see enough content to warrant a D1 lynch on him, maybe D2 or D3 if things stay the same since I wouldn't want to go into mylo or lylo with his slot like it is but that can be addressed tomorrow if need be no?logic340 said: _Claire_ said: followind said: _Claire_ said: Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? I've mention this before but I didn't mention to the metaread.. but it was casually brushed off since he wasn't seen as a thread.. tbh.. I would comply to vote on grr rather than the three since after night.. we can get some more info from PR rather than just making possibilites I have nothing against lynching grrr, he is harmful to town with his unpredicted behaviour and the way he just does stuff without much reasons/plans in mind. I had something in mind back then, but I can see it isnt working now. It is a very bad phase change for me so I cant do much. I have played with grrr more than a couple of times, and thats what I conclude from him tbh. Also as I have said, he is not his usual town!grrr. |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:18 AM
#582
followind said: No problem I will go back and look for it.logic340 said: _Claire_ said: followind said: _Claire_ said: Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? I've mention this before but I didn't mention to the metaread.. but it was casually brushed off since he wasn't seen as a thread.. tbh.. I would comply to vote on grr rather than the three since after night.. we can get some more info from PR rather than just making possibilites I have nothing against lynching grrr, he is harmful to town with his unpredicted behaviour and the way he just does stuff without much reasons/plans in mind. He's a possible lynch target I've talked about this before so I won't explain myself again.. It's too much of a hassle |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:21 AM
#583
_Claire_ said: No I don't but I am not sure how you get scum!grrr (who I have never seen) off of the maybe 7 posts he has so far. Also it was grrr's play that allowed me to find the scum. That comment wasn't about you it was about grrr's anti-town play and how it helped to shape a VC that revealed where scum was. Again would I like to be in D3 with his slot as it is? no. But if he doesn't come back before phase change I have more reason to lynch you or even grapefruit today.logic340 said: I dont care for those three tunneling days. I hate that game because I was TPR and I wasnt motivated at all._Claire_ said: logic340 said: _Claire_ said: He's no better than lynch fodder at this point imo. I don't think I will go there today we have better options at least better discussion for the time being.Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? If you are town you should realize this from last game that grrr was extremely harmful to town. Dont you agree? You said you agreed with Grape last game that we should just shot Grrr instead of tunneling him at the end. I am honestly having trouble communicating with you lols. Do you think that was my first time playing with grrr? |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:22 AM
#584
_Claire_ said: I didn't ask you to assume anything I asked you to think critically about the situation I was in (as scum) and apply it my behavior and thinking here. You've seen my scum game a you caught me dead to rights are you seeing those markers?logic340 said: _Claire_ said: logic340 said: _Claire_ said: I find it justified for the tunnel that Grape has thrown himself down once again. Even if CP is scum then Grape should spend some time looking for his team mates. We spent too much time arguing and sitting at the top of the thread. Grape has some inconsistencies that don't match what I would expect from his town meta even comparing this game to FT which I don't see. That's why I asked you because I don't think you will be able to fake it if it is different. So no meta for now...cool I will ask your opinion again later. For now I would say neutral on both CP and Grape.logic340 said: @_Claire_ now to retort you question back to you is it just me or you are trying hard to paint Purity scum using every single detail? Or. Also, I am not the only one thinking that way, and what you think of CP moving his vote to Grape? lols inconsistency.... Last game he had so much inconsistency and you guys were using that against him, no? :) Lols I dont know your alignment yet, why should I assume you wont do that BS again? Because yeah, I am calling BS on your read on Grape, I am even not gonna discuss about Grape anymore lol. |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:22 AM
#585
logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Fair enough and I respect your meta enough to believe you are not being malicious right now. I just don't see enough content to warrant a D1 lynch on him, maybe D2 or D3 if things stay the same since I wouldn't want to go into mylo or lylo with his slot like it is but that can be addressed tomorrow if need be no?logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Does he do things without reasoning or plans in mind? That isn't what I have gotten from him in the two games I have been in. I find him to be more calculating than you are giving credit for especially given his explanation of the miller claim in Alcatraz. That was not unplanned it was very long sighted. Is there a reason you are bashing grrr all of a sudden as we talk about possible different lynch options?followind said: _Claire_ said: Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? I've mention this before but I didn't mention to the metaread.. but it was casually brushed off since he wasn't seen as a thread.. tbh.. I would comply to vote on grr rather than the three since after night.. we can get some more info from PR rather than just making possibilites I have nothing against lynching grrr, he is harmful to town with his unpredicted behaviour and the way he just does stuff without much reasons/plans in mind. I had something in mind back then, but I can see it isnt working now. It is a very bad phase change for me so I cant do much. I have played with grrr more than a couple of times, and thats what I conclude from him tbh. Also as I have said, he is not his usual town!grrr. See, day 2/3 You cant even trust him in a long run in general. I would rather lynch a harmful someone in this game. Also he has been laying low. Dont you agree with my meta-read now? I believe this is the most beneficial pathway I could take right now. |
Mar 22, 2017 8:25 AM
#586
followind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Either you or RE would be my next target to confirmfollowind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Depends on mod..PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: I know I'm not cross but cop should either check lurkers/almost lurkers like grrr or yourself, or they should check the louder people who drew attention to themselves, like grape or maybe even me for example. That's my 2 cents at least. That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check? I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). But I'm a day cop. I'm checking some exactly in this very instant! It is of utmost urgency I know who to check right away! Also @grapefruit21 I didn't see day cop, it was only mentioned once and I've never heard of the role before, so when I see cop, I just say what's on my mind. Back to you, I really don't think you should've claimed... Question, does a day cop get results immediately or at the end of the day? Need to know this before I give you a definite answer. It may be EoD or Immediately If immediately, definitely grapefruit because of how he's acting. Also we don't want to mislynch him if he's really town. If at EoD, you may want to hold on to that. If we're lynching Grape, its useless to check him. Or we can lynch the 2nd most suspicious one and check on grape later? Thanks for humoring me. So who are your thoughts on second most suspicious? I have mine which I don't mind sharing at a later time but tell me your's first. Or you can check on Grr since he's pretty hard to get a read on Hmm both are agreeable suspicious lynch targets. Me because of my aggressiveness and RE cos of her slip up. I don't think you need to explain that. Why Grrr? Reading an inactive is a gamble. It works but if I were a day cop, I rather use my ability to save/secure a lynch for the day. No one is interested in Grrr, reading him gives him a 3/13 chance of finding scum at the cost that if it's the 10/13, we only have an inactive townie and no proper scum targets. Reevaluating day cop, I think checking on highly active players are a stronger play. It can help save grape if he's town or secure a lynch if he's scum. It can also save me if grape flips town or secure a kill on me if I am mafia. You get the idea. Since if he's a mafia.. He can lurk since it's pretty much his play style when I was playing before Let's just say I'm meta reading since he once played sk and lurked till the end |
Mar 22, 2017 8:26 AM
#587
_Claire_ said: I do somewhat agree with your read. He is laying low (to an extent) but then there is the CP is town cleared post which is not laying low. He parked his vote on me and dipped which is NAI at this point. Not enough information at this point.logic340 said: _Claire_ said: logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Does he do things without reasoning or plans in mind? That isn't what I have gotten from him in the two games I have been in. I find him to be more calculating than you are giving credit for especially given his explanation of the miller claim in Alcatraz. That was not unplanned it was very long sighted. Is there a reason you are bashing grrr all of a sudden as we talk about possible different lynch options?followind said: _Claire_ said: Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? I've mention this before but I didn't mention to the metaread.. but it was casually brushed off since he wasn't seen as a thread.. tbh.. I would comply to vote on grr rather than the three since after night.. we can get some more info from PR rather than just making possibilites I have nothing against lynching grrr, he is harmful to town with his unpredicted behaviour and the way he just does stuff without much reasons/plans in mind. I had something in mind back then, but I can see it isnt working now. It is a very bad phase change for me so I cant do much. I have played with grrr more than a couple of times, and thats what I conclude from him tbh. Also as I have said, he is not his usual town!grrr. See, day 2/3 You cant even trust him in a long run in general. I would rather lynch a harmful someone in this game. Also he has been laying low. Dont you agree with my meta-read now? I believe this is the most beneficial pathway I could take right now. |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:26 AM
#588
logic340 said: My problem is you know Grape is inconsistent as town, but you keep bashing him on that point. Where is the logic in that?_Claire_ said: I didn't ask you to assume anything I asked you to think critically about the situation I was in (as scum) and apply it my behavior and thinking here. You've seen my scum game a you caught me dead to rights are you seeing those markers?logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Think about what my mindset was and what I was facing at the time. I had to throw the kitchen sink at him. Some saw through my BS other didn't. Here is quite different and again you are using other games to judge this one. I will ask you to please stop doing that? This game what are you getting off of this game and what's happening here right now.logic340 said: _Claire_ said: I find it justified for the tunnel that Grape has thrown himself down once again. Even if CP is scum then Grape should spend some time looking for his team mates. We spent too much time arguing and sitting at the top of the thread. Grape has some inconsistencies that don't match what I would expect from his town meta even comparing this game to FT which I don't see. That's why I asked you because I don't think you will be able to fake it if it is different. So no meta for now...cool I will ask your opinion again later. For now I would say neutral on both CP and Grape.logic340 said: @_Claire_ now to retort you question back to you is it just me or you are trying hard to paint Purity scum using every single detail? Or. Also, I am not the only one thinking that way, and what you think of CP moving his vote to Grape? lols inconsistency.... Last game he had so much inconsistency and you guys were using that against him, no? :) Lols I dont know your alignment yet, why should I assume you wont do that BS again? Because yeah, I am calling BS on your read on Grape, I am even not gonna discuss about Grape anymore lol. Dont you think scum!grape will be more careful on what he says? This is why I say I dont understand-- scums will play carefully, they wont attract too much attention to themselves. Lets stop talking about Grape, I want to puke talking about the same thing all over again and I know we wont get to a middle point. So lets talk about what you think of my Grrr idea. |
Mar 22, 2017 8:26 AM
#589
_Claire_ said: I also think so..logic340 said: _Claire_ said: logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Does he do things without reasoning or plans in mind? That isn't what I have gotten from him in the two games I have been in. I find him to be more calculating than you are giving credit for especially given his explanation of the miller claim in Alcatraz. That was not unplanned it was very long sighted. Is there a reason you are bashing grrr all of a sudden as we talk about possible different lynch options?followind said: _Claire_ said: Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? I've mention this before but I didn't mention to the metaread.. but it was casually brushed off since he wasn't seen as a thread.. tbh.. I would comply to vote on grr rather than the three since after night.. we can get some more info from PR rather than just making possibilites I have nothing against lynching grrr, he is harmful to town with his unpredicted behaviour and the way he just does stuff without much reasons/plans in mind. I had something in mind back then, but I can see it isnt working now. It is a very bad phase change for me so I cant do much. I have played with grrr more than a couple of times, and thats what I conclude from him tbh. Also as I have said, he is not his usual town!grrr. See, day 2/3 You cant even trust him in a long run in general. I would rather lynch a harmful someone in this game. Also he has been laying low. Dont you agree with my meta-read now? I believe this is the most beneficial pathway I could take right now. Since it's better to get info out of PR tommorow and have a better grasp of alignment.. |
Mar 22, 2017 8:28 AM
#590
followind said: So why not ask him questions, poke, or try and prod him into activity? Isn't it our job to try and make these players active? If they don't want to get active then do we start lynching from the bottom up?followind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Either you or RE would be my next target to confirmfollowind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Depends on mod..PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: I know I'm not cross but cop should either check lurkers/almost lurkers like grrr or yourself, or they should check the louder people who drew attention to themselves, like grape or maybe even me for example. That's my 2 cents at least. That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check? I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). But I'm a day cop. I'm checking some exactly in this very instant! It is of utmost urgency I know who to check right away! Also @grapefruit21 I didn't see day cop, it was only mentioned once and I've never heard of the role before, so when I see cop, I just say what's on my mind. Back to you, I really don't think you should've claimed... Question, does a day cop get results immediately or at the end of the day? Need to know this before I give you a definite answer. It may be EoD or Immediately If immediately, definitely grapefruit because of how he's acting. Also we don't want to mislynch him if he's really town. If at EoD, you may want to hold on to that. If we're lynching Grape, its useless to check him. Or we can lynch the 2nd most suspicious one and check on grape later? Thanks for humoring me. So who are your thoughts on second most suspicious? I have mine which I don't mind sharing at a later time but tell me your's first. Or you can check on Grr since he's pretty hard to get a read on Hmm both are agreeable suspicious lynch targets. Me because of my aggressiveness and RE cos of her slip up. I don't think you need to explain that. Why Grrr? Reading an inactive is a gamble. It works but if I were a day cop, I rather use my ability to save/secure a lynch for the day. No one is interested in Grrr, reading him gives him a 3/13 chance of finding scum at the cost that if it's the 10/13, we only have an inactive townie and no proper scum targets. Reevaluating day cop, I think checking on highly active players are a stronger play. It can help save grape if he's town or secure a lynch if he's scum. It can also save me if grape flips town or secure a kill on me if I am mafia. You get the idea. Since if he's a mafia.. He can lurk since it's pretty much his play style when I was playing before Let's just say I'm meta reading since he once played sk and lurked till the end |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:29 AM
#591
logic340 said: _Claire_ said: I do somewhat agree with your read. He is laying low (to an extent) but then there is the CP is town cleared post which is not laying low. He parked his vote on me and dipped which is NAI at this point. Not enough information at this point.logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Fair enough and I respect your meta enough to believe you are not being malicious right now. I just don't see enough content to warrant a D1 lynch on him, maybe D2 or D3 if things stay the same since I wouldn't want to go into mylo or lylo with his slot like it is but that can be addressed tomorrow if need be no?logic340 said: _Claire_ said: Does he do things without reasoning or plans in mind? That isn't what I have gotten from him in the two games I have been in. I find him to be more calculating than you are giving credit for especially given his explanation of the miller claim in Alcatraz. That was not unplanned it was very long sighted. Is there a reason you are bashing grrr all of a sudden as we talk about possible different lynch options?followind said: _Claire_ said: Tbh I have a better idea. Looking at grrr, IIRC if he is town he usually acts a lot lot more anti-town with a lot of fluff and such. In this game I am not looking him doing this, and the fact he says CP is town bothers me as if he has hidden reason there. And wait if you say this is a weak reason: Grrr can be very harmful to town as we will never understand what he is thinking. Grrrr tend to be left alone, and as scum its a plus point. Anyone with me? I've mention this before but I didn't mention to the metaread.. but it was casually brushed off since he wasn't seen as a thread.. tbh.. I would comply to vote on grr rather than the three since after night.. we can get some more info from PR rather than just making possibilites I have nothing against lynching grrr, he is harmful to town with his unpredicted behaviour and the way he just does stuff without much reasons/plans in mind. I had something in mind back then, but I can see it isnt working now. It is a very bad phase change for me so I cant do much. I have played with grrr more than a couple of times, and thats what I conclude from him tbh. Also as I have said, he is not his usual town!grrr. See, day 2/3 You cant even trust him in a long run in general. I would rather lynch a harmful someone in this game. Also he has been laying low. Dont you agree with my meta-read now? I believe this is the most beneficial pathway I could take right now. And you think Grape should be lynched instead of him? You know, come day 2/3/4, we will come to the phase where "grrr must be scum" phase. We can deal with it now. |
Mar 22, 2017 8:30 AM
#592
logic340 said: followind said: So why not ask him questions, poke, or try and prod him into activity? Isn't it our job to try and make these players active? If they don't want to get active then do we start lynching from the bottom up?followind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Either you or RE would be my next target to confirmfollowind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Depends on mod..PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: I know I'm not cross but cop should either check lurkers/almost lurkers like grrr or yourself, or they should check the louder people who drew attention to themselves, like grape or maybe even me for example. That's my 2 cents at least. That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check? I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). But I'm a day cop. I'm checking some exactly in this very instant! It is of utmost urgency I know who to check right away! Also @grapefruit21 I didn't see day cop, it was only mentioned once and I've never heard of the role before, so when I see cop, I just say what's on my mind. Back to you, I really don't think you should've claimed... Question, does a day cop get results immediately or at the end of the day? Need to know this before I give you a definite answer. It may be EoD or Immediately If immediately, definitely grapefruit because of how he's acting. Also we don't want to mislynch him if he's really town. If at EoD, you may want to hold on to that. If we're lynching Grape, its useless to check him. Or we can lynch the 2nd most suspicious one and check on grape later? Thanks for humoring me. So who are your thoughts on second most suspicious? I have mine which I don't mind sharing at a later time but tell me your's first. Or you can check on Grr since he's pretty hard to get a read on Hmm both are agreeable suspicious lynch targets. Me because of my aggressiveness and RE cos of her slip up. I don't think you need to explain that. Why Grrr? Reading an inactive is a gamble. It works but if I were a day cop, I rather use my ability to save/secure a lynch for the day. No one is interested in Grrr, reading him gives him a 3/13 chance of finding scum at the cost that if it's the 10/13, we only have an inactive townie and no proper scum targets. Reevaluating day cop, I think checking on highly active players are a stronger play. It can help save grape if he's town or secure a lynch if he's scum. It can also save me if grape flips town or secure a kill on me if I am mafia. You get the idea. Since if he's a mafia.. He can lurk since it's pretty much his play style when I was playing before Let's just say I'm meta reading since he once played sk and lurked till the end I am not a big fan on lynching an inactive, but inactivity isnt why I want grrrr dead. |
Mar 22, 2017 8:30 AM
#593
logic340 said: followind said: So why not ask him questions, poke, or try and prod him into activity? Isn't it our job to try and make these players active? If they don't want to get active then do we start lynching from the bottom up?followind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Either you or RE would be my next target to confirmfollowind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Depends on mod..PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: I know I'm not cross but cop should either check lurkers/almost lurkers like grrr or yourself, or they should check the louder people who drew attention to themselves, like grape or maybe even me for example. That's my 2 cents at least. That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check? I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). But I'm a day cop. I'm checking some exactly in this very instant! It is of utmost urgency I know who to check right away! Also @grapefruit21 I didn't see day cop, it was only mentioned once and I've never heard of the role before, so when I see cop, I just say what's on my mind. Back to you, I really don't think you should've claimed... Question, does a day cop get results immediately or at the end of the day? Need to know this before I give you a definite answer. It may be EoD or Immediately If immediately, definitely grapefruit because of how he's acting. Also we don't want to mislynch him if he's really town. If at EoD, you may want to hold on to that. If we're lynching Grape, its useless to check him. Or we can lynch the 2nd most suspicious one and check on grape later? Thanks for humoring me. So who are your thoughts on second most suspicious? I have mine which I don't mind sharing at a later time but tell me your's first. Or you can check on Grr since he's pretty hard to get a read on Hmm both are agreeable suspicious lynch targets. Me because of my aggressiveness and RE cos of her slip up. I don't think you need to explain that. Why Grrr? Reading an inactive is a gamble. It works but if I were a day cop, I rather use my ability to save/secure a lynch for the day. No one is interested in Grrr, reading him gives him a 3/13 chance of finding scum at the cost that if it's the 10/13, we only have an inactive townie and no proper scum targets. Reevaluating day cop, I think checking on highly active players are a stronger play. It can help save grape if he's town or secure a lynch if he's scum. It can also save me if grape flips town or secure a kill on me if I am mafia. You get the idea. Since if he's a mafia.. He can lurk since it's pretty much his play style when I was playing before Let's just say I'm meta reading since he once played sk and lurked till the end It's not that easy to get grr to be active.. Even if he's active.. He'll usually just fluff or make a reason that I don't really understand |
Mar 22, 2017 8:39 AM
#595
| I'm siding with claire on this vote.. It's too confusing and causes too much paranoia for me.. Vote: Grrr |
Mar 22, 2017 8:41 AM
#596
_Claire_ said: If it's not due to activity then what is it for? Saying Purity is town? Care to give some support from this game?logic340 said: followind said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Either you or RE would be my next target to confirmfollowind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Depends on mod..PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: I know I'm not cross but cop should either check lurkers/almost lurkers like grrr or yourself, or they should check the louder people who drew attention to themselves, like grape or maybe even me for example. That's my 2 cents at least. That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check? I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). But I'm a day cop. I'm checking some exactly in this very instant! It is of utmost urgency I know who to check right away! Also @grapefruit21 I didn't see day cop, it was only mentioned once and I've never heard of the role before, so when I see cop, I just say what's on my mind. Back to you, I really don't think you should've claimed... Question, does a day cop get results immediately or at the end of the day? Need to know this before I give you a definite answer. It may be EoD or Immediately If immediately, definitely grapefruit because of how he's acting. Also we don't want to mislynch him if he's really town. If at EoD, you may want to hold on to that. If we're lynching Grape, its useless to check him. Or we can lynch the 2nd most suspicious one and check on grape later? Thanks for humoring me. So who are your thoughts on second most suspicious? I have mine which I don't mind sharing at a later time but tell me your's first. Or you can check on Grr since he's pretty hard to get a read on Hmm both are agreeable suspicious lynch targets. Me because of my aggressiveness and RE cos of her slip up. I don't think you need to explain that. Why Grrr? Reading an inactive is a gamble. It works but if I were a day cop, I rather use my ability to save/secure a lynch for the day. No one is interested in Grrr, reading him gives him a 3/13 chance of finding scum at the cost that if it's the 10/13, we only have an inactive townie and no proper scum targets. Reevaluating day cop, I think checking on highly active players are a stronger play. It can help save grape if he's town or secure a lynch if he's scum. It can also save me if grape flips town or secure a kill on me if I am mafia. You get the idea. Since if he's a mafia.. He can lurk since it's pretty much his play style when I was playing before Let's just say I'm meta reading since he once played sk and lurked till the end I am not a big fan on lynching an inactive, but inactivity isnt why I want grrrr dead. followind said: For someone who doesn't meta play you sure have been using it a lot to justify your recent arguments. logic340 said: followind said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Either you or RE would be my next target to confirmfollowind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Depends on mod..PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: I know I'm not cross but cop should either check lurkers/almost lurkers like grrr or yourself, or they should check the louder people who drew attention to themselves, like grape or maybe even me for example. That's my 2 cents at least. That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check? I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). But I'm a day cop. I'm checking some exactly in this very instant! It is of utmost urgency I know who to check right away! Also @grapefruit21 I didn't see day cop, it was only mentioned once and I've never heard of the role before, so when I see cop, I just say what's on my mind. Back to you, I really don't think you should've claimed... Question, does a day cop get results immediately or at the end of the day? Need to know this before I give you a definite answer. It may be EoD or Immediately If immediately, definitely grapefruit because of how he's acting. Also we don't want to mislynch him if he's really town. If at EoD, you may want to hold on to that. If we're lynching Grape, its useless to check him. Or we can lynch the 2nd most suspicious one and check on grape later? Thanks for humoring me. So who are your thoughts on second most suspicious? I have mine which I don't mind sharing at a later time but tell me your's first. Or you can check on Grr since he's pretty hard to get a read on Hmm both are agreeable suspicious lynch targets. Me because of my aggressiveness and RE cos of her slip up. I don't think you need to explain that. Why Grrr? Reading an inactive is a gamble. It works but if I were a day cop, I rather use my ability to save/secure a lynch for the day. No one is interested in Grrr, reading him gives him a 3/13 chance of finding scum at the cost that if it's the 10/13, we only have an inactive townie and no proper scum targets. Reevaluating day cop, I think checking on highly active players are a stronger play. It can help save grape if he's town or secure a lynch if he's scum. It can also save me if grape flips town or secure a kill on me if I am mafia. You get the idea. Since if he's a mafia.. He can lurk since it's pretty much his play style when I was playing before Let's just say I'm meta reading since he once played sk and lurked till the end It's not that easy to get grr to be active.. Even if he's active.. He'll usually just fluff or make a reason that I don't really understand |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:45 AM
#597
logic340 said: _Claire_ said: If it's not due to activity then what is it for? Saying Purity is town? Care to give some support from this game?logic340 said: followind said: So why not ask him questions, poke, or try and prod him into activity? Isn't it our job to try and make these players active? If they don't want to get active then do we start lynching from the bottom up?followind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Either you or RE would be my next target to confirmfollowind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Depends on mod..PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: I know I'm not cross but cop should either check lurkers/almost lurkers like grrr or yourself, or they should check the louder people who drew attention to themselves, like grape or maybe even me for example. That's my 2 cents at least. That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check? I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). But I'm a day cop. I'm checking some exactly in this very instant! It is of utmost urgency I know who to check right away! Also @grapefruit21 I didn't see day cop, it was only mentioned once and I've never heard of the role before, so when I see cop, I just say what's on my mind. Back to you, I really don't think you should've claimed... Question, does a day cop get results immediately or at the end of the day? Need to know this before I give you a definite answer. It may be EoD or Immediately If immediately, definitely grapefruit because of how he's acting. Also we don't want to mislynch him if he's really town. If at EoD, you may want to hold on to that. If we're lynching Grape, its useless to check him. Or we can lynch the 2nd most suspicious one and check on grape later? Thanks for humoring me. So who are your thoughts on second most suspicious? I have mine which I don't mind sharing at a later time but tell me your's first. Or you can check on Grr since he's pretty hard to get a read on Hmm both are agreeable suspicious lynch targets. Me because of my aggressiveness and RE cos of her slip up. I don't think you need to explain that. Why Grrr? Reading an inactive is a gamble. It works but if I were a day cop, I rather use my ability to save/secure a lynch for the day. No one is interested in Grrr, reading him gives him a 3/13 chance of finding scum at the cost that if it's the 10/13, we only have an inactive townie and no proper scum targets. Reevaluating day cop, I think checking on highly active players are a stronger play. It can help save grape if he's town or secure a lynch if he's scum. It can also save me if grape flips town or secure a kill on me if I am mafia. You get the idea. Since if he's a mafia.. He can lurk since it's pretty much his play style when I was playing before Let's just say I'm meta reading since he once played sk and lurked till the end I am not a big fan on lynching an inactive, but inactivity isnt why I want grrrr dead. followind said: For someone who doesn't meta play you sure have been using it a lot to justify your recent arguments. logic340 said: followind said: So why not ask him questions, poke, or try and prod him into activity? Isn't it our job to try and make these players active? If they don't want to get active then do we start lynching from the bottom up?followind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Either you or RE would be my next target to confirmfollowind said: CorruptedPurity said: followind said: CorruptedPurity said: Depends on mod..PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: PentaFlare said: CorruptedPurity said: I know I'm not cross but cop should either check lurkers/almost lurkers like grrr or yourself, or they should check the louder people who drew attention to themselves, like grape or maybe even me for example. That's my 2 cents at least. That's a lot of people though for an ability that can only check one person. Who do I check? I really hope this isn't a claim... Let's speak in a hypothetical world where you are the cop and I am you. If grape doesn't get lynched, I would check him tonight. If he gets lynched and flips town, I would look at me(corruptedPurity) for fossing him too much. If he gets lynched and flips scum, I would look at someone on Logic/RE's train because scum would be on that train to safe Grape.(Most probably logic or Cross, higher chance logic but depends on how the rest of the day plays out). But I'm a day cop. I'm checking some exactly in this very instant! It is of utmost urgency I know who to check right away! Also @grapefruit21 I didn't see day cop, it was only mentioned once and I've never heard of the role before, so when I see cop, I just say what's on my mind. Back to you, I really don't think you should've claimed... Question, does a day cop get results immediately or at the end of the day? Need to know this before I give you a definite answer. It may be EoD or Immediately If immediately, definitely grapefruit because of how he's acting. Also we don't want to mislynch him if he's really town. If at EoD, you may want to hold on to that. If we're lynching Grape, its useless to check him. Or we can lynch the 2nd most suspicious one and check on grape later? Thanks for humoring me. So who are your thoughts on second most suspicious? I have mine which I don't mind sharing at a later time but tell me your's first. Or you can check on Grr since he's pretty hard to get a read on Hmm both are agreeable suspicious lynch targets. Me because of my aggressiveness and RE cos of her slip up. I don't think you need to explain that. Why Grrr? Reading an inactive is a gamble. It works but if I were a day cop, I rather use my ability to save/secure a lynch for the day. No one is interested in Grrr, reading him gives him a 3/13 chance of finding scum at the cost that if it's the 10/13, we only have an inactive townie and no proper scum targets. Reevaluating day cop, I think checking on highly active players are a stronger play. It can help save grape if he's town or secure a lynch if he's scum. It can also save me if grape flips town or secure a kill on me if I am mafia. You get the idea. Since if he's a mafia.. He can lurk since it's pretty much his play style when I was playing before Let's just say I'm meta reading since he once played sk and lurked till the end It's not that easy to get grr to be active.. Even if he's active.. He'll usually just fluff or make a reason that I don't really understand I told you he lay low more than he usually is. God do you even read my post. Thoughts before I go: followind is indeed very weird with that vote placed now, and his reluctance to take side on Grape/CP is sth I will note later on. Another note is, I am very troubled about CP's alignment, but I would resolve it later on. |
Mar 22, 2017 8:47 AM
#598
| Yup I think I am very comfortable with my vote on Claire for the time being. @followind how does Claire look to you for the push on CP and subsequent switch to LHF grrr? I understand you moved with her but you were opposed to a CP lynch like I was. |
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Mar 22, 2017 8:47 AM
#599
| (I'm mobile ATM so please bear with me) Hm... Penta finally did share some thoughts with us but I'm still not 100% on them, I think I'll keep my vote on them. I'm not convinced enough on anybody else right now. I think Grape is someone I'll look into later because the jumping trains thing and I don't really like how grrr hasn't done much but I'll leave that be for now, neither of those screams maf to me |
Mar 22, 2017 8:49 AM
#600
logic340 said: Yup I think I am very comfortable with my vote on Claire for the time being. @followind how does Claire look to you for the push on CP and subsequent switch to LHF grrr? I understand you moved with her but you were opposed to a CP lynch like I was. You voted Grape, are you drunk? :/ |
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