Mini Game v4: Higurashi no Naku Koro Night Mafia | Game End

wen294 said:
And yeah that's what i said. If you flip scum then Yurkin is likely non-town. If you flip town then Yurkin is likely town. Unless we're dealing with an (un)even-night paranoid cop or something like that which i kinda doubt.

Also what do you mean 'find the TP role if there is one' I mean it's role madness, are you assuming that in the town pool that's left there are 1 or less power roles left? Surely not right, because that'd be quite rediculous. If we all claim i still don't think we'd be able to pin everyone to their alignment correctly, but it'd likely be quite beneficial to scum. I don't think mass-claiming is a good idea.

I've read the post up 'till now but i probably missed something that should make it very unlikely for you to be scum, or i hold a different opinion on the matter. Also keep in mind that i said that I think either you OR togs is scum. I never concretely said it was you, but i will find one out through the other.

Fo said:
I thought we were 6 alive.

I'm literally the dumbest person ever.

logic340 said:
At this stage I feel there are two scum and 1 3rd party remaining.

@Fo were you notified that you and Togs were bonded (lovers)?
@Togs where you at bro? I am not liking how things have played out in my absence this is probably the worst situation that the town could find ourselves in.

Fo said:
Keep in mind that I thought we were 6 alive for some reason, and if you dummies lynch togs or I then that's our last lynch despite the extra number as well.

logic340 said:
So lets move past role claiming and do some analysis. Who are everyone's current reads. Please give reasoning for why you feel the way you do.

wen294 said:
Due to the way they became lovers and the lack of a claiming cupid i'm pretty sure that either Fo or Togs is scum, like i stated earlier on.

Fo said:
Okay I'll lay it out again then.

Mishu got non-town results on yurkin and myself. Mishu himself doubted his own sanity. In the world where I'm scum and mishu is sane, the only possible buddy I could have is yurkin.

Togs and I were made lovers after someone was given time to think about taking an action. If that were a town action what would they have based that decision on? 5 or 6 pregame posts? Nah, they were aiming for competency. Plus nobody claimed it; so it was a scum action. In order for you to ignore this you'd have to say that togs and I are on the same scum team; which doesn't make any sense for a whole shitton of reasons, but namely because I only really make sense as scum with yurkin. So from everyone elses POV at least one of togs and I HAVE to be town.

logic340 said:
Guess who's back!?!? And I'm on to you scum!!

Logic340 said:
Togs - was cool with lynching fo fot 2 days then switches up and says fo must live. When giving his reasoning he says he was informed before D1 so why was he ok with lynching Fo for two days?

Logic340 said:
Fo - scum, a cancer to the game. I realky need to here what makes you all believe he is town? His actions have yet to ever benefit town (i need examples if you're going to challenge this). Continues to stir the pot while adding little to actually solve the game.

Phraze said:
Togs: I'm positive about him. he wanted Fo to claim but not himself. this means it's scum hiding behind a townie. being role connected doesn't mean the other isn't scum. if Togs was sure that Fo was scum, he would've pushed the lynch anyway. Fo didn't mind lynching Togs, on the other hand. lol

Phraze said:
@logic340
while I'm not disagreeing, it's a waste going for the bait compared to the real scum. moreso now that we've had 2 mislynches. in any case, a flip from Togs will tell us more than a flip from Fo can. we should go with Togs.
[edit: Fo is too obvious scum so even if he flips scum, it won't lead us to the other one.]

logic340 said:
What information do you feel is vital in these vote counts? What stands out to you the most? I will answer #901 shortly I want to be thoughtful with my response to it.

yurkin said:
I'm rereading the whole thread now, doing that since morning, and I will post after I have read it (around #300 now), but there is something I want to mention - assuming mishu was insane cop imo is wrong, paranoid cop is what I thought he is.

Togs said:
Forgive me for the slowness of my catchup, I’m trying my best to get back into the thick of things but I’m just not a very fast mafia player >_>


Good to see you back, having someone confirmed town at this state will be invaluable.


I was sizing up him but obviously I never wanted to lynch him, especially not early on.


What about being the most active person in the game ?


I mean if you want to be “certain” of me at least be factually accurate. Why would I have claimed this game ? There has been 0 reason for me to, I haven’t had pressure on me all game. If not claiming is so scummy, why haven’t you claimed Phraze ?
And when I was ever sure Fo was scum ? When did Fo want to lynch me ? Literally not one reason you list here makes sense.


So Fo is so scummy that he’s too obvious and I’m certain scum, and we’re not scumbuddies somehow ?


I’ll take a stab at it. D1 and D2 had really tiny wagons and were kind of chaotic near the EoD so I don’t think they will tell much though. D3 though had 1 “strong” mislynch wagon and a bunch of other noncommittal votes. In this case there are two places to look: near the end of the mislynch wagon, as this is where is likelier to find scum hopping on to the case, and people who’s votes were useless, as this is where it is likelier to find scum just letting the mislynch happen. So by my estimation {Gwen, Phraze, Togs, Yurkin} come off looking worse from the D3 VCA.
Of course, VCA is mainly useful for telling you where to look, and these people (minus me) are pretty much where I was gonna look based on process of elimination anyways.


The only reason insane and paranoid would have a different result is if Mishu checked someone legitimately non-town. So uh.. that begs the question, why do you think that ?

logic340 said:
Togs shouldn't have waited so long to claim that. It has cast doubt on his word since he voted for you day 1 and was willing to lynch you at the start of D2.

Fo said:
Okay I'll lay it out again then.

Mishu got non-town results on yurkin and myself. Mishu himself doubted his own sanity. In the world where I'm scum and mishu is sane, the only possible buddy I could have is yurkin.

Togs and I were made lovers after someone was given time to think about taking an action. If that were a town action what would they have based that decision on? 5 or 6 pregame posts? Nah, they were aiming for competency. Plus nobody claimed it; so it was a scum action. In order for you to ignore this you'd have to say that togs and I are on the same scum team; which doesn't make any sense for a whole shitton of reasons, but namely because I only really make sense as scum with yurkin. So from everyone elses POV at least one of togs and I HAVE to be town.

I'm pretty much town at this point; you're letting your bias towards me cloud your judgment and tunnel.

I realize I'm not very likable or at the very least polarizing. But understand how taxing this game has been for me so far. All the people I enjoy (and who were townreading me for that matter) are dropping like flies.

Fo said:
We should massclaim; we're currently in a mislynch and lose situation so it wouldn't hurt to get as much info as we can out there before making a decision today.

I'd like phraze to claim first since she already has claimed flavor and nothing else for some reason.

Phraze said:
Mishu: Cross said insane cop is likely, meaning their investigations will give opposite results. that's why scum didn't bother roleblocking him after claiming cop, since his first result on Fo was twisted to begin with. so his check on Yurkin is probably a towncheck. he checked on Fo and Yurkin.

Fo: I can't say he is out of my suspect list, but he's more town to me now. everything he's been doing is driving him to the wall in the end. I doubt scum will allow that to happen, and if it were scumbuds, the other will push a lynch for towncred. every kill or mislynch even leads back to him, too convenient. so far Fo's been useful as bait in this game....no offense. but a mislynch on him won't be a waste.

yurkin said:
Massclaim = giving more information to the scums.
I don't see how that can help the town at all.
edit: word changed

Wen294 said:
Due to the way they became lovers and the lack of a claiming cupid i'm pretty sure that either Fo or Togs is scum, like i stated earlier on.
Lynching them will let us know Yurkin's alignment. Afterwards it's only possible for Gwen to be scum if yurkin is town.
So basically the people i think are scum: One of Fo/Togs and one of Gwen/Yurkin. So if we were to go with this i'd say lynch Fo and Togs first, then we know for sure which of the other 2 the scum is. Well this is disregarding me ofc. If you want to include me we'd have to do a mass-claim the next day. That said i am against doing a mass-claim This day phase, only the next one where we're actually lylo.

logic340 said:
According to Togs it happened before the start of D1. This doesn't mean they had time to think about it as you say. Also it would be based on pre-game posts which aren't much to go off of. Also you are the only one coming up with this scenario if someone else would (besides Togs) agreed with it I may find it more believable but since you are the only one pushing it makes it hard to believe.

Logic340 said:
What about being the most active person in the game? What does being the most active have to do with alignment? I cannot say that scum would be inactive because I have seen that scum don't always do what you expect them to. I was the most active player early and I was killed. Fo is being read as town by most and is bonded to you. The Mafia not moving on you guys is very peculiar at this stage given that you guys claimed bonded (lovers) so early. You are paired with Fo but how confident are you that he is not 3rd party or scum?

Logic340 said:
Togs did you forget this is how we lost CCL, we overlooked scummy behavior because many people thought Crossbell was town. I feel the same thing has happened here in regards to Fo's play it has been more sparatic than Phraze's play. Look how he jump from person to person on D3, voted confirmed cop (and all townies) after no one counter claimed, has generally messed up the board by over posting (many of them fluff or deflecting towards someone else). I really hate his Cross, Holo, or Phraze are scum post with 2 of them being proven town.

Logic340 said:
If you are town your win condition is the same as mine and killin Fo on D2 would have provided town the most help. Do you agree with my last statement?

Togs said:

I think what Fo’s getting at is the distinguishing feature between both of us is we are both experienced players, I think the 2 most in the game (since Cross replaced in later) so that is the most likely reason we were chosen to be bonded. If I was a scum loverizer, no way in hell would I choose Fo, he is literally the last person I’d choose since I’d want to kill him asap. And I imagine the reverse is also true.


What I’m saying here is, Fo is reading as town to me and is doing so consistently with all his activity. In CCL I townread both Kit and Gruffin, but I townread Kit harder because he seemed so town consistently over his many posts whereas Gruffin posted a lot but didn’t seem town. Fo is the former for me at this point, he is a Kit and not a Gruffin which is why I think he’s town, when I was doubting him he just simply wasn’t posting as much.

As for us still being alive, well... from experience I can say that speculating scum Night actions is one of the most useless things you can do in a mafia game. I can pretty easily see a possibility for why we’re alive, the scum probably thought with the pressure on Fo and me they could probably mislynch one of us and also us both flipping town might make them look worse. Or they thought killing Mishu was more important because might’ve figured out he was insane and was on to them. As long as possibilities like that exist Night action speculation is not something I care about.


I’m looking at the same thing, but I see it as town. He is setting the pace for the game, playing aggressive and putting himself out there. I might go and compare this game with one of his scum games if I have time but I think there will be a pronounced difference.


Sorry I don’t agree, I value my own life really highly and I think it’s optimal for all town to play that way.

Togs said:

I think what Fo’s getting at is the distinguishing feature between both of us is we are both experienced players, I think the 2 most in the game (since Cross replaced in later) so that is the most likely reason we were chosen to be bonded. If I was a scum loverizer, no way in hell would I choose Fo, he is literally the last person I’d choose since I’d want to kill him asap. And I imagine the reverse is also true.


What I’m saying here is, Fo is reading as town to me and is doing so consistently with all his activity. In CCL I townread both Kit and Gruffin, but I townread Kit harder because he seemed so town consistently over his many posts whereas Gruffin posted a lot but didn’t seem town. Fo is the former for me at this point, he is a Kit and not a Gruffin which is why I think he’s town, when I was doubting him he just simply wasn’t posting as much.

As for us still being alive, well... from experience I can say that speculating scum Night actions is one of the most useless things you can do in a mafia game. I can pretty easily see a possibility for why we’re alive, the scum probably thought with the pressure on Fo and me they could probably mislynch one of us and also us both flipping town might make them look worse. Or they thought killing Mishu was more important because might’ve figured out he was insane and was on to them. As long as possibilities like that exist Night action speculation is not something I care about.


I’m looking at the same thing, but I see it as town. He is setting the pace for the game, playing aggressive and putting himself out there. I might go and compare this game with one of his scum games if I have time but I think there will be a pronounced difference.


Sorry I don’t agree, I value my own life really highly and I think it’s optimal for all town to play that way.

logic340 said:
I know I do not have a lot of experience in mafia but what my experience has told me is that following the group is not what I need to be doing I have been right on most of my reads when I look back over the previous game and when I watch how things have progressed in this game there's no denying that if one of two people were gone from this game the town would have fared so much better.

Fo said:
Only scumread*

You're scumreading me because
1) I was wrong on holo, from what I gather
2) You don't like my playstyle
3) You don't like me

Fo said:
All I'm saying logic is take a step back and listen to what togs and I have been saying. Clear your head of hindsight bias and look at the people positioning themselves to win the game.

logic340 said:
if you think this is the only reason that you have not been paying attention to anything that I have said nothing at all. This further shows me a lack of interest and actually paying attention to what's going on because you've missed so many posts that I made explaining why you and your behavior is scary. I actually analyze your behavior something I have yet to see you do though I have asked multiple times. So before I put the last vote on you will you please please please please I'm begging you c do a behavioral analysis.

Logic340 said:
In this game he has served to disrupt anything we town had going. There are so many examples if I had hair I would have pulled it out while following along. Had I known I could be revived I probably would have taken notes. The game state has been messed up by the two of you on multiple occasions and that come across as scummy imo. As I stated if you go look at everything he has caused more harm than good to this point. Even when trying to case others his scummyness pops up and takes me away from what I was trying to focus on.

logic340 said:
@Togs "Why do you think we’ll have another Day phase to work with ?" 7-2=5 I believe there are 2 mafia and 1 third party. There is a chance that we get another day phase if we hit mafia today that is what most of us are banking on but you and Fo at looking at it if we don't. You two seem the most suspicious and should have been killed on D2. That would have gotten us out of this situation we are in now. Fo has been active but his activity hasn't helped town in the least. Agree or disagree with that? If I base my vote off of who has been the most detrimental to town it has to be Fo.

logic340 said:
@Togs you are second because had you allowed Fo to be lynched on D2 then we would have gotten an answer to Mishu's sanity, we would know if we could trust the check on yurkin, and we would know if you guys were lying or not. You stopped a lot of information from flowing by keeping Fo alive.

logic340 said:
So lets move away from you and Fo (though I really don't want to) who are you scum reading? Gwendolly would be my next choice after you two. She has disrupted the flow of the game with comments like "yurkin pulling a Phraze" when pointing that out actually lead to the death of two (Shana and Phraze) town in the previous game. Claims that my death was to make Fo and Astros look guilty then she votes for Astors??? This game has been going very weird and honestly the people I feel best about are yurkin who has that non-town check and Phraze who has played the same as in CCL where they were town. That leaves wen294 (I'm neural on him right now), you and Fo.

I need something more from you and Fo to sway me your actions for the majority of the game are what has hampered the Town and now I am supposed to brush that off and accept that a mislynch on you two loses us the game. Maybe you guys should have played in a better manner that would have made you guys more believable right now but honestly I am willing to risk the game on finding out if you two are in fact lying.

Togs said:

Okay I will say that I don’t think this is a scumtell. I’ve seen plenty of time where scum will say “Hey, person X is so scummy, they’ve only voted for town all game !” near endgame, and it’s not convincing because town really do do that all the time.
Think about it some more, only 1 scum has been lynched this game, and only me and Phraze pushed their case. And you say it’s likely I was bussing too, so only one person in this entire game has done anything helpful for town by those metrics. I think Fo has been plenty helpful myself, at the minimum by getting me to townread him.


Disagree because of the above. With Fo and I both town, I do believe we lose if we fail to hit scum and one of us gets lynched or nightkilled. Whether or not you are sure we are both town, you have to admit it is possible for us to lose the game toDay.


I think at this point we can pretty safely say Mishu was insane and Yurkin was townchecked. And two strong town players didn’t have to die for it !


I haven’t fully formed my reads yet, sorry I am still kind of catching up and spending my time responding to you (which I don’t mind, actually it’s great). Rn I am suspicious of Phraze for reasons stated. As for Gwen wouldn’t mind looking into her more, the main thing that comes to mind about her is that she feels more like the CCL game here, and way less than Final Fantasy which is the game I player with her when she was an SK. Honestly I was surprised to see her posting style change so much between FF and CCL which is why I townread her that game, and on face level I think she is more likely town.

As for you, well I think you’re a pretty decent player and I trust that you’ll question every piece of information you can. I think if I can do my job right, you’ll do yours and we can (hopefully) nail the scum.

logic340 said:
I know I do not have a lot of experience in mafia but what my experience has told me is that following the group is not what I need to be doing I have been right on most of my reads when I look back over the previous game and when I watch how things have progressed in this game there's no denying that if one of two people were gone from this game the town would have fared so much better.

Fo said:
@Togs
Who's scum?

Gwendolly said:
I'm on page 20 right now, afraid that I wont make it before phase change. So let me eliminate one possibility; I'm not scum! I'm third party. If you lynch me, you wont catch scum this phase. I cant say who I would want to see get lynched today. But I obviously dont want to see logic, fo and togs (I believe atleast one of them are town) getting lynched today.

Togs said:

Oh goodness.

FINAL FANTASY PTSD: TRIGGERED

Gwendolly said:


I'm not a serial killer xD

Togs said:

Thats what you told me last time when you were a serial killer >:0

In all seriousness though, I want you to full claim right here, I’m changing my popcorn target over to you. Not gonna make the same mistake 2 games in a row.

Gwendolly said:


I'm your cupid, honey ;) I want you both to live and enjoy my curry, because I'm the one and only Chie Rumiko :) Be careful who you vote for, mister

If one of you guys are scum, then scum wouldnt dare to take one of their own down during night phase. Which has happened all the time until now.

Gwendolly said:


I'm your cupid, honey ;) I want you both to live and enjoy my curry, because I'm the one and only Chie Rumiko :) Be careful who you vote for, mister

If one of you guys are scum, then scum wouldnt dare to take one of their own down during night phase. Which has happened all the time until now.