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Oct 22, 2016 11:44 AM

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@Fo yeah cuz it makes 0 sense to say if i'm town and some1 sees things my way then he would be town as well right? what reason do u have against me, cuz i'm pushying to kill u? then my reason would make much more sense.
Oct 22, 2016 11:44 AM

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^scum
Oct 22, 2016 11:44 AM

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^ def scum
Oct 22, 2016 11:46 AM

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Whoops got ninja'd

DarkStyle said:
@Fo yeah cuz it makes 0 sense to say if i'm town and some1 sees things my way then he would be town as well right? what reason do u have against me, cuz i'm pushying to kill u? then my reason would make much more sense.
It doesn't make sense for you to say you have no reads. And then townread Shana for having similar thoughts as you. When the only thing you guys have expressed similar opinions in is suspicion of me for entirely different reasons.
Oct 22, 2016 11:48 AM

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DarkStyle said:
@Fo yeah cuz it makes 0 sense to say if i'm town and some1 sees things my way then he would be town as well right? what reason do u have against me, cuz i'm pushying to kill u? then my reason would make much more sense.
You think he is buddying too much? That is the problem?

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Oct 22, 2016 11:48 AM

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Heck, she didn't even really give a reason. You're agree with a thought process that isn't there.

That's called buddying.
Oct 22, 2016 11:49 AM

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Hi suzune
Oct 22, 2016 11:49 AM

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Fo said:
Hi suzune
Hey Fo~

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Oct 22, 2016 11:49 AM

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Fo said:
Whoops got ninja'd

DarkStyle said:
@Fo yeah cuz it makes 0 sense to say if i'm town and some1 sees things my way then he would be town as well right? what reason do u have against me, cuz i'm pushying to kill u? then my reason would make much more sense.
It doesn't make sense for you to say you have no reads. And then townread Shana for having similar thoughts as you. When the only thing you guys have expressed similar opinions in is suspicion of me for entirely different reasons.


every1 who is against u is a scum for just being against u, give me a break. what reasons did u give this whole game , other than agreeing with ppl.
Oct 22, 2016 11:51 AM

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Darkstyle that's super unfair. Shana's thought me scum all game and I thnk sh'es just mislead. I gave you ample opportunity to impress me and you've yet to.

Let's not get shit twisted here.
Oct 22, 2016 11:51 AM

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👹-shad-👹 (3) // 🍬Togs, Doughkey, Lamby🍬
DarkStyle (2) // 🍬Fo, Jackrito🍬
Doughkey (2) // 🍬Shinichi-Kun, Suzune-chan🍬
Fo (2) // 🍬DarkStyle, Shanashan🍬
Shinichi-Kun (1) // 🍬Jackrito🍬
Lamby (1) // 🍬Crossbell🍬


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Oct 22, 2016 11:52 AM

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Suzune-chan said:
DarkStyle said:
@Fo yeah cuz it makes 0 sense to say if i'm town and some1 sees things my way then he would be town as well right? what reason do u have against me, cuz i'm pushying to kill u? then my reason would make much more sense.
You think he is buddying too much? That is the problem?


yes it is. cuz as a mafia u would try to build friendships to keep u safe when the time come wouldn't u? and u as a town would be inclined to keep those who have similar thoughts in the game would u not? ==> making buddies = mafia wouldn't it?
Oct 22, 2016 11:54 AM

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Fo said:
Darkstyle that's super unfair. Shana's thought me scum all game and I thnk sh'es just mislead. I gave you ample opportunity to impress me and you've yet to.

Let's not get shit twisted here.


well i'm not scared to back down when ppl don't like what i say. and u keep doing that overly friendly thing...
Oct 22, 2016 11:54 AM

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DarkStyle said:
Suzune-chan said:
You think he is buddying too much? That is the problem?


yes it is. cuz as a mafia u would try to build friendships to keep u safe when the time come wouldn't u? and u as a town would be inclined to keep those who have similar thoughts in the game would u not? ==> making buddies = mafia wouldn't it?


They is also a thing called a town bloc, where a player will ally with people who they think are town to close down the POE. So buddying up is not a certain scum trait it can be but other factors are needed. Crossbell knows all about the town bloc playstyle.
Oct 22, 2016 11:56 AM

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-afk eating :)-
Oct 22, 2016 12:00 PM

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DarkStyle said:
Suzune-chan said:
You think he is buddying too much? That is the problem?


yes it is. cuz as a mafia u would try to build friendships to keep u safe when the time come wouldn't u? and u as a town would be inclined to keep those who have similar thoughts in the game would u not? ==> making buddies = mafia wouldn't it?
Well as mafia it is good to put people in your corner that you can trust will defend you when you are not around to do so. However it is not quite as easy to do that just by being nice to people. Then some people who never get lynched. Ii you make it too obvious then it can be traced back to you.

I guess in regards to your second though. I feel like buddying as town on other towns is less likely. Unless you are building a town bloc.

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Oct 22, 2016 12:00 PM

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I am.. having some second thoughts about DarkStyle being scum, I confess.

Give me a second to sort out my thoughts.
Oct 22, 2016 12:04 PM

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I still feel like sniping someone on the shad train, to be perfectly honest.

If shad is town like I think he is, then there is a pretty likely chance that there is scum on the wagon. Lamby did not really have a great vote, there.

If we lynch DarkStyle and he flips town, what will we gain?
Oct 22, 2016 12:05 PM

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Also this is the time I think when we should use the mechanics?

Suzune, Jack, and Fo; do you guys mind using up the trick or treat shot for Today and claiming it at Night?

@Suzune-chan
@Jackrito
@Fo
Oct 22, 2016 12:07 PM

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Crossbell said:
Also this is the time I think when we should use the mechanics?

Suzune, Jack, and Fo; do you guys mind using up the trick or treat shot for Today and claiming it at Night?

@Suzune-chan
@Jackrito
@Fo


I can do that if everyone thinks I'm a valid option. Why don't you want to use it? Also one of us is likely going to die off this.
Oct 22, 2016 12:08 PM

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Crossbell said:
I still feel like sniping someone on the shad train, to be perfectly honest.

If shad is town like I think he is, then there is a pretty likely chance that there is scum on the wagon. Lamby did not really have a great vote, there.

If we lynch DarkStyle and he flips town, what will we gain?


What if they are not town though we gain a lot from it then. What made you change your mind so much?
Oct 22, 2016 12:10 PM

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Jackrito said:
Crossbell said:
Also this is the time I think when we should use the mechanics?

Suzune, Jack, and Fo; do you guys mind using up the trick or treat shot for Today and claiming it at Night?

@Suzune-chan
@Jackrito
@Fo


I can do that if everyone thinks I'm a valid option. Why don't you want to use it? Also one of us is likely going to die off this.
I think I'm a likely NK N1 judging by the past three games I've played, and I have mild paranoia over all three of you, so one of you biting the dust at Night will help clear up some of that.

This might be my ego speaking, but if we lynch Today, the scum can either choose to kill me OR kill one of the people who activated their trick/treat ability Today. They can't double up by killing me.
Oct 22, 2016 12:11 PM

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Jackrito said:
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I still feel like sniping someone on the shad train, to be perfectly honest.

If shad is town like I think he is, then there is a pretty likely chance that there is scum on the wagon. Lamby did not really have a great vote, there.

If we lynch DarkStyle and he flips town, what will we gain?


What if they are not town though we gain a lot from it then. What made you change your mind so much?
DarkStyle has started to display his trademark pushiness which is making me doubt myself a tiny bit. It's possible that he is still scum! But I would like to leave him off the table for Today and re-evaluate on Day 2.

(I'm mostly tinfoiling over a world where DarkStyle flips town, then you OR Fo turn out to be scum)
Oct 22, 2016 12:11 PM

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Crossbell said:
Also this is the time I think when we should use the mechanics?

Suzune, Jack, and Fo; do you guys mind using up the trick or treat shot for Today and claiming it at Night?

@Suzune-chan
@Jackrito
@Fo
I mean, I will do it if you want. However, it was not my intention to do it tonight.

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Oct 22, 2016 12:13 PM

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Crossbell said:
I still feel like sniping someone on the shad train, to be perfectly honest.

If shad is town like I think he is, then there is a pretty likely chance that there is scum on the wagon. Lamby did not really have a great vote, there.

If we lynch DarkStyle and he flips town, what will we gain?
Well that's a flawed way of doing VCA for two different reasons. I agree lamby's probably the scum vote there but it's hard to tell especially if he doesn't read his role pms.

Darkstyle isn't gonna flip town.
Oct 22, 2016 12:14 PM

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Suzune-chan said:
Crossbell said:
Also this is the time I think when we should use the mechanics?

Suzune, Jack, and Fo; do you guys mind using up the trick or treat shot for Today and claiming it at Night?

@Suzune-chan
@Jackrito
@Fo
I mean, I will do it if you want. However, it was not my intention to do it tonight.
Do you have any better plans?

I basically just took who was active EoD Day 1 so you guys can claim all the trick shots so we can coordinate actions and such.
Oct 22, 2016 12:14 PM

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Going outside for a few minutes I'll be back.
Oct 22, 2016 12:15 PM

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I'm not gonna confirm whether I'm trick or treating tonight.

I feel that probably only helps scum.

But you can explain the benefits if you'd like.
Oct 22, 2016 12:18 PM

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Crossbell said:
Suzune-chan said:
I mean, I will do it if you want. However, it was not my intention to do it tonight.
Do you have any better plans?

I basically just took who was active EoD Day 1 so you guys can claim all the trick shots so we can coordinate actions and such.
Honestly I think calling it out in topic only helps the scum since it makes a small pool for them to kill within. Similiar to shortlisting votes during the day.

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Oct 22, 2016 12:24 PM

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If we can control who the scum kill, then that'll be better as opposed to them just sniping the most townie/experienced player each Night.

I'll move my vote to DarkStyle if we need a lynch (since I am not too sure of myself at the moment) but I'm just worried of the nightmare scenario where scum!Fo strongarms a mislynch on DarkStyle and coasts through the entire game.

I don't think it's likely because I think Fo is likely town from behavior, but the devil's advocate scenario is well worth looking at.
Oct 22, 2016 12:27 PM

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I might still support a lynch on Doughkey....

Regardless, I would think that mafia would not allow themselves to be so easily played by the town especially since it is an obvious trap. It would be better for the mafia player if they called the shot because that would minimize the number of people to be killed thus maximizing the potential for them. Just saying.

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Oct 22, 2016 12:27 PM

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Fo said:
I'm not gonna confirm whether I'm trick or treating tonight.

I feel that probably only helps scum.

But you can explain the benefits if you'd like.
I think the benefits of a townie claiming the vig ability and us using it as a second lynch during the Night is very powerful and it helps break the symmetry of this being a 12 man mountainous setup, or a 12 man mountainous setup with an extra scum-controlled kill.

What are your thoughts?
Oct 22, 2016 12:27 PM

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Cross you should also take into account that Dark certainly would/probably will vote shad.
Oct 22, 2016 12:29 PM

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My thoughts are that it's far more likely for town to end up with the vig regardless of what we coordinate. If we don't it'll be easy to tell and we purge once claims come out.
Oct 22, 2016 12:30 PM

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Crossbell said:
If we can control who the scum kill, then that'll be better as opposed to them just sniping the most townie/experienced player each Night.

I'll move my vote to DarkStyle if we need a lynch (since I am not too sure of myself at the moment) but I'm just worried of the nightmare scenario where scum!Fo strongarms a mislynch on DarkStyle and coasts through the entire game.

I don't think it's likely because I think Fo is likely town from behavior, but the devil's advocate scenario is well worth looking at.


If Fo strong arms a mislynch would that not mean they are going to find it a lot harder to coast through. In their position pushing a mislynching is not good play unless they are defending a teammate in lamb which I can not see since they were eager to vote them.
Oct 22, 2016 12:32 PM

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OK, I'm convinced by your guys's arguments.

Unvote, vote DarkStyle

DarkStyle, if you're town, sorry man. If Fo does end up being scum and coasts to endgame then I'll be pretty angry with myself.
Oct 22, 2016 12:33 PM

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If a townie does end up with the vig shot, I highly recommend that they claim it and shoot someone on the shad wagon Tonight.

Shinichi might also be a good shot.
Oct 22, 2016 12:34 PM

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Crossbell said:
OK, I'm convinced by your guys's arguments.


what arguments?
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If Fo strong arms a mislynch would that not mean they are going to find it a lot harder to coast through. In their position pushing a mislynching is not good play unless they are defending a teammate in lamb which I can not see since they were eager to vote them.

wouldn't that be the same case with me? it's not like i'm hiding my hate towards Fo.
Oct 22, 2016 12:35 PM

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🎃👻 Vote Count 1.8 🎃👻


👹-shad-👹 (3) // 🍬Togs, Doughkey, Lamby🍬
DarkStyle (3) // 🍬Fo, Jackrito, Crossbell🍬
Doughkey (2) // 🍬Shinichi-Kun, Suzune-chan🍬
Fo (2) // 🍬DarkStyle, Shanashan🍬
Shinichi-Kun (1) // 🍬Jackrito🍬


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Oct 22, 2016 12:36 PM

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yes it is. cuz as a mafia u would try to build friendships to keep u safe when the time come wouldn't u? and u as a town would be inclined to keep those who have similar thoughts in the game would u not? ==> making buddies = mafia wouldn't it?


They is also a thing called a town bloc, where a player will ally with people who they think are town to close down the POE. So buddying up is not a certain scum trait it can be but other factors are needed. Crossbell knows all about the town bloc playstyle.


that would make sense, but not from 1st day. we have only words to go on, so confirming a proof town read is v hard. it makes more sense to be a mafia then a town in day 1... isn't it?
Oct 22, 2016 12:37 PM

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fcking stupid... Vote: -shad-
Oct 22, 2016 12:39 PM

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hm? I should really change my vote now since it looks like we are going to not lynch Doughkey, while I could also lynch Shi, we are not going that way either.

So it is going to come down to the annoying tricks of Shad and Dark. I hate last minute changes but...

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Oct 22, 2016 12:43 PM

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@Togs
@Jackrito
@-shad-
@Suzune-chan
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@Hime-sama
@Doughkey
@Shanashan
@Lamby
@Shinichi-Kun
@DarkStyle

^If you're not voting for dark or shad please explain why.
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I kind of do not want to go Dark, someone talk to me. Let me check the facts here, we are lynching Dark because of their terrible argument about Fo being too friends.

But we aren't lynching Shad for his terrible, I have a plan idea. Then having to push him to tell us his plan was to be annoying so as not to get killed?

That is where we are at?

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Oct 22, 2016 12:45 PM

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Might be the unpopular way to fall, but I have to do this

Vote: Shad

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Oct 22, 2016 12:49 PM

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Do we have enough time to flash wagon suzune?
Oct 22, 2016 12:50 PM

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👹-shad-👹 (5) // 🍬Togs, Doughkey, Lamby, Suzune-chan, Darkstyle🍬
DarkStyle (3) // 🍬Fo, Jackrito, Crossbell🍬
Doughkey (1) // 🍬Shinichi-Kun🍬
Fo (1) // 🍬Shanashan🍬
Shinichi-Kun (1) // 🍬Jackrito🍬


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Hime-sama said:

1# uhh. well i do not ask questions im not used to that, ill try my best to ask questions, but i prefer to be asked and do my honest opinion. Some of the content its either i do not get what they are saying at all or trying to interpret and fail badly.

#1 - All the more reason to ask the people who made the post on what you couldn't understand.

Hime-sama said:

Have you got a some analyze you would like too or not yet?

Town
    > Crossbell
    His posts look pretty straight to the point which I think/hope it is genuine. Kinda hope he is more active tho. :x

Btw Town/Scum
    > Doughkey
    I think he looks sort of town-ish for being aggressive at first. But his level kinda drop from being very aggressive to quite soft now. Will want to see his posts later since he says he will catch up later.

    > Jackrito
    I feel like he is being a bit goody two shoes. Like helping people / agreeing with people they have good points etc.. Example I will give is: Me and Darkstyle were voting Fo and back it up with points. Jack will sort of agree part of our points, but then later on he posted Fo as being town-ish. It kinda contradicts imo :|
    (not too sure if this is supposed to sound scummy..)

    > Fo
    I explained already in my previous posts.

Scum
    > -shad-
    If he would just start to participate in some of the discussions..

    > Hime-sama
    I kinda put Hime on the slightly higher level than Shad. (low>high : scum>town).
    It feels like Shad kinda avoided to reply when people asked him questions about reads. On the better side, Hime does reply/discuss, but only when asked.

No idea..
Togs
Suzune-chan
Lamby
Shinichi-Kun
DarkStyle

Edit: Would be interested to know your views as well.


I understand ill be sure to work on my answering questions on other people, ill do my reads soon, ill be able to do that tonight i hope.
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Oct 22, 2016 12:51 PM

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Hime we've got like 10 minutes till phase change just so you're aware.
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Fo said:
Do we have enough time to flash wagon suzune?


he didn't vote with you... what do u have against him?
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