deepinthelair said: I'll be honest, I'm new to mafia, and had no idea what to say How new are you to mafia? I haven't been keeping track, but p-sure you've played at least 4+ games already. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
LucianRoy said: Yeah, you or I could probably fake it. But for a newbie whose first game of mafia is this one? Plinius has a healthy sense of paranoia in that post, and I've found that tends to come more from newb town than newb scum trying to blend in. Because.. scum already know everyone's alignments. They don't need to be paranoid.I already have the slightest town lean on wen, yet your read on Plin was for possibly one of the most Nai things ever. I strongly doubt it's even semantically indicative of them being town, as I could fake any type of filler post like thatp-much any day of the week as scum. LucianRoy said: Yeah, I agree that tunneling me will certainly get people talking and will make them take stances, like what I asked to deepinthelair here. So by all means, keep on doing so; just be aware that you are a townie tunneling another fellow townie.Tunneling is possibly one of the healthiest things I could do for the thread at this gamestate. Like, who doesn't love some of that sweet sweet tunnel vision to kick a game off in the right direction. And by that direction, I'm talkin lynching scum. |
Crossbell said: LucianRoy said: You'll see soon, hopefully.I call bs. Fun fact: Out of the past two games I've played, my first non-random vote was on scum. (And I subsequently talked myself out of both of those reads) Fun fact: withholding reasons for voting people is usually preh scummy. I'm highly incredulous of anything I might possibly "see soon." |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
LucianRoy said: Explain the scum mindset for withholding reasoning, to hopefully garner reactions from the person I am voting for.Crossbell said: You'll see soon, hopefully. Fun fact: Out of the past two games I've played, my first non-random vote was on scum. (And I subsequently talked myself out of both of those reads) Fun fact: withholding reasons for voting people is usually preh scummy. I'm highly incredulous of anything I might possibly "see soon." |
| Explain the town mindset for poking someone with only a vote you say "isn't random" and giving them nothing else to work with, to hopefully garner a confused question and a subsequent pounce from you. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
LucianRoy said: I want uliratha to make some more posts and react to my vote, before explaining myself.Explain the town mindset for poking someone with only a vote you say "isn't random" and giving them nothing else to work with, to hopefully garner a confused question and a subsequent pounce from you. Want to confirm if I'm right or not before either stopping, or going full force forward. That sounds like a townie, inquisitive mindset to you, interested in solving the game, does it not? |
Crossbell said: LucianRoy said: Yeah, you or I could probably fake it. But for a newbie whose first game of mafia is this one? Plinius has a healthy sense of paranoia in that post, and I've found that tends to come more from newb town than newb scum trying to blend in. Because.. scum already know everyone's alignments. They don't need to be paranoid.I already have the slightest town lean on wen, yet your read on Plin was for possibly one of the most Nai things ever. I strongly doubt it's even semantically indicative of them being town, as I could fake any type of filler post like thatp-much any day of the week as scum. Enh, ok. LucianRoy said: Yeah, I agree that tunneling me will certainly get people talking and will make them take stances, like what I asked to deepinthelair here. So by all means, keep on doing so; just be aware that you are a townie tunneling another fellow townie.Tunneling is possibly one of the healthiest things I could do for the thread at this gamestate. Like, who doesn't love some of that sweet sweet tunnel vision to kick a game off in the right direction. And by that direction, I'm talkin lynching scum. Something something die scum. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Crossbell said: LucianRoy said: I want uliratha to make some more posts and react to my vote, before explaining myself.Explain the town mindset for poking someone with only a vote you say "isn't random" and giving them nothing else to work with, to hopefully garner a confused question and a subsequent pounce from you. Want to confirm if I'm right or not before either stopping, or going full force forward. That sounds like a townie, inquisitive mindset to you, interested in solving the game, does it not? Yah, I'm just playin with ya. My 105 was pure tunnel. Let's see this push in action tho. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| Sure. I'm just waiting for deep to respond to my question, and for the rest of the thread to basically wake up and post something of substance. |
| Good morning, everyone. Sorry for joining in late. I was busy, last evening, when the game started, but I'll be here, today. Right, I am. |
LucianRoy said: But yeah, originally thought wen's entrance was just info-dropping scum-appeasement helpfulness shite, but then I thought it was Non-Alignment Indicative, and then I thought it was townie. Just trying to be helpfull, guess that's forbidden now eh? ooohkay i caught up with the thread. I basically see a whopping total of 2 people being active. Nice. Crossbell said: LucianRoy said: Yeah, you or I could probably fake it. But for a newbie whose first game of mafia is this one? Plinius has a healthy sense of paranoia in that post, and I've found that tends to come more from newb town than newb scum trying to blend in. Because.. scum already know everyone's alignments. They don't need to be paranoid.I already have the slightest town lean on wen, yet your read on Plin was for possibly one of the most Nai things ever. I strongly doubt it's even semantically indicative of them being town, as I could fake any type of filler post like thatp-much any day of the week as scum. This doesn't really indicate anything. Even i faked posts like that in my first mafia game when i was scum. Given Plin knows what he's doing, even if he's not experienced he knows that it is expected of town to be suspicious. That is a basic concept of the game that you should know when you start it. Not trying to implicate that he therefore is scum, just saying it doesn't come close to proving that he's town. LucianRoy said: Crossbell said: You'll see soon, hopefully. Fun fact: Out of the past two games I've played, my first non-random vote was on scum. (And I subsequently talked myself out of both of those reads) Fun fact: withholding reasons for voting people is usually preh scummy. I'm highly incredulous of anything I might possibly "see soon." Votes this early in the game are always random. Best thing they could be based on are gut feeling or past game experiences. Both aren't exactly what i'd call reliable. Even if your gut feeling is correct there's no way for us to know and thus there's no reason for us to sheep a vote that we have no trust in. |
wen294Aug 25, 2016 2:03 AM
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| GoodMornin Indeed, whats the point on not voting? We still have a couple of afk's around here for the last 14h or so, there is plenty to choose from. Crossbell said: LucianRoy said: Yeah, you or I could probably fake it. But for a newbie whose first game of mafia is this one? Plinius has a healthy sense of paranoia in that post, and I've found that tends to come more from newb town than newb scum trying to blend in. Because.. scum already know everyone's alignments. They don't need to be paranoid.I already have the slightest town lean on wen, yet your read on Plin was for possibly one of the most Nai things ever. I strongly doubt it's even semantically indicative of them being town, as I could fake any type of filler post like thatp-much any day of the week as scum. LucianRoy said: Yeah, I agree that tunneling me will certainly get people talking and will make them take stances, like what I asked to deepinthelair here. So by all means, keep on doing so; just be aware that you are a townie tunneling another fellow townie.Tunneling is possibly one of the healthiest things I could do for the thread at this gamestate. Like, who doesn't love some of that sweet sweet tunnel vision to kick a game off in the right direction. And by that direction, I'm talkin lynching scum. Well indeed that my experience comes from being a scum, I think the last and only 4 games i've played, 3 of them I was a scum. And funny enough I still haven't lost one >:3 Lucian is trying to be the most active, so others can try to "protect" him as the "big brother" and to me its working. Milennin said: Good morning, everyone. Sorry for joining in late. I was busy, last evening, when the game started, but I'll be here, today. Right, I am. So, are you gonna vote? Not? Thoughts on the things that are already happening? deepinthelair said: TBH, my reasons for voting Plinius, were to get his/her's attention... But yes, you got my attention, since you say you are "new" to the game, tell me. What do you think about Lynching people on the first day? That are people that don't like it at all, depending on who is getting voted. |
| I don't think there is any real point to lynching of first day. I say this because, we need a bit more info before actually lynching. With that I am going to go to bed, so ill catch up in the morning. GN all o/ |
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deepinthelair said: I don't think there is any real point to lynching of first day. I say this because, we need a bit more info before actually lynching. With that I am going to go to bed, so ill catch up in the morning. GN all o/ Which is why the first day is 48 hours. So you can actually get information. Allthough this game has every day as 48 hours so in that regard eh but still. Plinius said: Indeed, whats the point on not voting? We still have a couple of afk's around here for the last 14h or so, there is plenty to choose from. Point of rvs is to pressurize people into getting info. That doesn't really work too well on people that aren't even here to react to begin with. |
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wen294 said: deepinthelair said: I don't think there is any real point to lynching of first day. I say this because, we need a bit more info before actually lynching. With that I am going to go to bed, so ill catch up in the morning. GN all o/ Which is why the first day is 48 hours. So you can actually get information. Allthough this game has every day as 48 hours so in that regard eh but still. Plinius said: Indeed, whats the point on not voting? We still have a couple of afk's around here for the last 14h or so, there is plenty to choose from. Point of rvs is to pressurize people into getting info. That doesn't really work too well on people that aren't even here to react to begin with. I can agree with that, my go to assumption is that people that don't have "important" roles they kinda lose the interest. But ye there's always some people that don't show up for whatever. Guess we have to wait a bit more to see if they show up. |
Plinius said: So, are you gonna vote? Not? Thoughts on the things that are already happening? As long as I vote before the timer ends, it should be OK, correct? In which case, it would be better to wait to gather more information before voting right away? |
Milennin said: Plinius said: So, are you gonna vote? Not? Thoughts on the things that are already happening? As long as I vote before the timer ends, it should be OK, correct? In which case, it would be better to wait to gather more information before voting right away? So how do you plan to do so? Read others posts and not discuss? |
| well wasn't that a busy night? i don't think Crossbell is mafia ... from the style of his play i'd think he is one of the vanilla townies :) a bored one, i might add :P i don't really like ppl who try to control others in the first day, so i find really suspicious the way LucianRoy is playing... but i'm playing with 2 many new ppl to understand if i'm in the right or wrong. Milennin said: Plinius said: So, are you gonna vote? Not? Thoughts on the things that are already happening? As long as I vote before the timer ends, it should be OK, correct? In which case, it would be better to wait to gather more information before voting right away? u don't like the spotlight? how do u expect to gather information by staying in the shadow?? |
Plinius said: So how do you plan to do so? Read others posts and not discuss? What should we discuss? Or is casting a random vote based on nothing counted as a discussion? This is my first time playing this kind of game, so I'm just looking how people are playing. Don't worry, though, I'll vote before the day ends. DarkStyle said: u don't like the spotlight? how do u expect to gather information by staying in the shadow?? I'm replying, how's that staying in the shadow? |
Milennin said: Plinius said: So how do you plan to do so? Read others posts and not discuss? What should we discuss? Or is casting a random vote based on nothing counted as a discussion? This is my first time playing this kind of game, so I'm just looking how people are playing. Don't worry, though, I'll vote before the day ends. DarkStyle said: u don't like the spotlight? how do u expect to gather information by staying in the shadow?? I'm replying, how's that staying in the shadow? If everybody played like you did, would you ever get information? The answer is no. Simple as that. You create pressure with your vote, that pressure sparks a discussion, that discussion leads to suspicion, that suspicion leads to a valid vote. No vote = no pressure = no discussion = a disaster ~80% of the time. Taking the initiative and actively question people and try to shift out scum = taking the spotlight. Just sitting back and react every now and then when your name comes up = staying in the shadow. That's a rough sketch of what he means. Generally speaking you don't want to overly do either. Forcing your opinion on people or not giving it at all is considered scum behaviour. |
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wen294 said: If everybody played like you did, would you ever get information? The answer is no. Simple as that. You create pressure with your vote, that pressure sparks a discussion, that discussion leads to suspicion, that suspicion leads to a valid vote. No vote = no pressure = no discussion = a disaster ~80% of the time. Taking the initiative and actively question people and try to shift out scum = taking the spotlight. Just sitting back and react every now and then when your name comes up = staying in the shadow. That's a rough sketch of what he means. Generally speaking you don't want to overly do either. Forcing your opinion on people or not giving it at all is considered scum behaviour. Thanks, that's helpful. :) vote: Togs He's barely shown any activity so far. |
| 'ello and good afternoon DarkStyle said: i don't really like ppl who try to control others in the first day, so i find really suspicious the way LucianRoy is playing... i kind of agree with this , but also we kind of need this first day as long as he doesn't get full control over others , like control their votes |
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KOtA said: DarkStyle said: i don't really like ppl who try to control others in the first day, so i find really suspicious the way LucianRoy is playing... i kind of agree with this , but also we kind of need this first day as long as he doesn't get full control over others , like control their votes A spokesperson is fine, a cult leader not. So long as others think for themselves instead of just sheeping him i don't mind. |
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Vote Count 1.2  deepinthelair (2): Plinius, KOtA xNeko- (2): Togs, DarkStyle Crossbell (2): wen294, LucianRoy LucianRoy (3): xNeko-, shap111, deepinthelair Milennin (1): uliratha uliratha (1): Crossbell Togs (1): Milennin Players Not Voting (0): For a majority lynch to take place, 7 votes on one player is required. Votes will be locked if this is achieved. If a majority lynch is not achieved, a plurality lynch will take place, meaning whoever has the highest votes will get lynched. >> Time Until Day 1 Ends << |
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| Since there's such a thing as plurality lynch, it's generally best to avoid spreading out votes? |
uliratha said: This normally happens the first hours of the first day of a game. No one really has reads, that is why rvs is a thing and the slow shift out of it starts happening later in the "day" because there is more conversation and such, so people start having preliminary reads. Times around phase change can be hectic, watch out for it. All right. Well, I just learned that it's possible to change votes on the same day, so I get why there's really no point for waiting until the last minute to cast a vote. |
Milennin said: uliratha said: This normally happens the first hours of the first day of a game. No one really has reads, that is why rvs is a thing and the slow shift out of it starts happening later in the "day" because there is more conversation and such, so people start having preliminary reads. Times around phase change can be hectic, watch out for it. All right. Well, I just learned that it's possible to change votes on the same day, so I get why there's really no point for waiting until the last minute to cast a vote. Indeed, if people do save their votes to the last second, in my eyes, it is a scum move for surprise lynches. Seeing that we have a follow up in Lucian, gotta see what happen for him to get 3 votes on him. Is it because he is too "loud"? |
wen294 said: LucianRoy said: Fun fact: withholding reasons for voting people is usually preh scummy. I'm highly incredulous of anything I might possibly "see soon." Votes this early in the game are always random. Best thing they could be based on are gut feeling or past game experiences. Both aren't exactly what i'd call reliable. Even if your gut feeling is correct there's no way for us to know and thus there's no reason for us to sheep a vote that we have no trust in. LucianRoy said: Nvm What I'm saying is that everyone else who you claim are "lurking" appear to be inactive, yet I just saw Cross online, they have yet to make a vote in the thread, they have yet to make a game relevant post. They have one meme post, and one post indicating a promise to "catch-up" on discourse that's largely just RVS baloney. They have yet to dip their toes in the water that is this town, something that I would believe town!Crossbell would want to do as quickly as possible, and with efficient effort as deemed by their strong play as past town. If this doesn't warrant some kind of transitional vote from Rvs into actual play, then you've got me beat. my vote was for a pretty fuqqin baller reason if you ask me. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
KOtA said: 'ello and good afternoon DarkStyle said: i don't really like ppl who try to control others in the first day, so i find really suspicious the way LucianRoy is playing... i kind of agree with this , but also we kind of need this first day as long as he doesn't get full control over others , like control their votes A) I haven't coached a single person, B) I haven't told anyone to play any kind of way. I'm doin pretty good so far. I am trying to buy some votes for Cross tho because they need to be sorted early for everyone's sake. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| Oh, and that also includes me wanting somebody hammered today, id est, we should use majority lynching. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
deepinthelair said: I don't think there is any real point to lynching of first day. I say this because, we need a bit more info before actually lynching. With that I am going to go to bed, so ill catch up in the morning. GN all o/ Lynching the first day is how the town gets info. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2707177#p2707177 |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
LucianRoy said: I am trying to buy some votes for Cross tho because they need to be sorted early for everyone's sake. What's bad about Cross? |
Milennin said: LucianRoy said: I am trying to buy some votes for Cross tho because they need to be sorted early for everyone's sake. What's bad about Cross? The real question is: what's not bad about Cross? |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
DarkStyle said: well wasn't that a busy night? Nr, it was just me and cross going at it about his entrance to the game. i don't think Crossbell is mafia ... from the style of his play i'd think he is one of the vanilla townies :) a bored one, i might add :P How in the world could you discern any role-indicative play from cross, let alone for a VT, this early in the game? i don't really like ppl who try to control others in the first day, so i find really suspicious the way LucianRoy is playing... Gimme one good reason why my play has been scummy and I might let you off the hook. but i'm playing with 2 many new ppl to understand if i'm in the right or wrong. Disclaimer for reads. Nice. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Milennin said: Since there's such a thing as plurality lynch, it's generally best to avoid spreading out votes? There's also something called majority lynching in play, which rewards consolidation of votes. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Plinius said: Seeing that we have a follow up in Lucian, gotta see what happen for him to get 3 votes on him. Is it because he is too "loud"? WHO ARE YOU CALLING LOUD??? Nah, but srs, why are you calling for me to be pressured solely for being "loud"? psssh |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
LucianRoy said: KOtA said: 'ello and good afternoon i kind of agree with this , but also we kind of need this first day as long as he doesn't get full control over others , like control their votes A) I haven't coached a single person, B) I haven't told anyone to play any kind of way. I'm doin pretty good so far. well you didn't do that , but apparently you're the one with high votes i'd like to ask your voters why ? @shap111 @xNeko- @deepinthelair |
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| p-sure the first two were Rvs, or something close to it. Deep is voting me for a jank reason which I explained earlier. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
I don't know. I've read through his posts in here, and he seems OK to me. |
What specifically about his posts made him seem "OK" to you? |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
p-sure the first two were Rvs, or something close to it. figures , but that's putting you in risk that apply to xneko too |
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LucianRoy said: Plinius said: Seeing that we have a follow up in Lucian, gotta see what happen for him to get 3 votes on him. Is it because he is too "loud"? WHO ARE YOU CALLING LOUD??? Nah, but srs, why are you calling for me to be pressured solely for being "loud"? psssh When I mean loud I mean active enough to scare others, if that makes any sense. |
| Good morning everyone, I just woke up. I voted on Lucian as a random vote because everyone else was doing random vote, I might change my vote after reading a bit but I'm still not sure who I can trust :c |
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First, I don't exactly know what to look for telling whether or not people are trustworthy in this game. Second, your reasoning for everything being bad about Cross isn't saying much. Could you elaborate? |
True, but he's still shown more than Togs. We'll see if he shows himself later on. |
Probably the same things that make him feel not OK about him. Namely not really anything concrete thus neutral thus OK. |
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xNeko- said: Good morning everyone, I just woke up. I voted on Lucian as a random vote because everyone else was doing random vote, I might change my vote after reading a bit but I'm still not sure who I can trust :c Well, if it makes you feel any better, I'm fairly certain I can't trust you. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
wen294 said: Probably the same things that make him feel not OK about him. Namely not really anything concrete thus neutral thus OK. Really? Well, firstly it was a question for Miles, and I could've sworn "ok" implied "town", the opposite of "not ok" being equivalent to "scum". |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
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