She disappointed the hell out of me when I ascended her to max the other day. Now though... it's a possibility. 8D I'm personally mixed on the Grail ascension. Grats to all those spending their resources without hesitation on their waifus/husbandos and fav Servants. I'll patiently wait for more testing and information to be shared around on how to best utilize the Grails before taking the plunge. Wait out for better Servants even. Definitely not saying all this just to place all my Grails on swimsuit Servants or freaking Sion. :D~ WOW THAT ATK IS FREAKING BEASTLY.  I...I want to be brave like this man.     God daaaamn, I would love to spend the Grails on 1-4 stars Servants. 5* are already good enough as they are. |
GenkiiAug 5, 2016 5:41 PM
| I believe Grail Ascension are meant to make silver and bronze more useable. Using it on 5* is pointless but hey, waifu need that level 100. |
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| Yep. I hear that lvl 100 Cu with Fous is on par with Fou-less Scathach damage wise in both regular attack and NP. And that lvl 100 Euryale is the best single-target Archer NP in the game now. |
| Yes yes YES. I need more info like this. So far I only have eyes on Serenity for waifu purposes. I definitely want to see her np more often in future boss raids and events. |
| Gonna use grail ascension on Gil, Saber, Shiki, and Arcueid in the near future. And if I can be greedy, all the other 5*... No point in using them on my bronze or silver servants since I didn't bother to level most of them. |
| I'll only think about using my grails on lower stared servants, once we know we will be able to get quite a bit more in the future, because they will take up a lot more grails. So I'm just going to use them on my 5*'s and maybe some 4*s after I get enough. |
My Queens  |
| Has anyone Grail ascended poor Lily yet? I bet she's already crying in her room that she's not good enough. |
astroprogs said: Tamamo at NP1 recovers 1,000HP and has the skill to recover 2,500HP to one ally. Tamamo's NP heals 2,000HP* at NP1 after NP interlude, and can be used more than once in an arts team before 6 turns are up. Spamming it in raids is fun. astroprogs said: I NEVER needed Waver, Tamamo or any healer for that matter. I just used teams that worked together. Neither have I. I steamroll everything with Gil, Saber, and Iskander. The point is that outside of raids, battles aren't hard enough to matter what team build you use, as long as they're 5* with whatever good CE. And when team builds do matter, you know who to use. astroprogs said: My criteria for good is being balanced, not just great in one direction. Flexibility is key to me. I put value in both so I guess that's something we'll never agree on. Flexibility is meaningless when you have 10 party slots, can have 6 servants in a party, and can plan around how you use your servants. |
| I spent few hour analysing servent data. My conclusion was that it is useless on support unit. It is more efficient to give it to à single target unit. Candidates would hace their raw Np5 damage at 1800%+ (except 5*, 1500+, except bustet basaka unit) That reduce the list to Jeanne alter Okita Nero bride Scathach Cu Orion Kintoki rider Anne and Mary Jack Mhx (yes mhx is in the list) Cu alter Kintoki Abd few exception such as euryale VLAD basaka, iburuki etc ... But i would probably grail ascend torpedo tits for fun ( but i only have 4 grail left sobill wait for better servant and babylon |
| bruh |
| You're never getting NP5 on any of the gold servants unless you're either an uber-whale or they're from one of the events. So that decreases the candidates a bit for the average folk. I would definitely recommend Cu. |
| what i mean is better spend it on a nero bride or jack than a random aoe 5* it doesnt matter if it is np 1 or 4 even though mhx is not the best assasin, i got her np4 so im betting on it in worst case |
| bruh |
| I agree that single target np Servants should be top priority while support classes should be excluded unless she or he is a waifu/husbando you fantasize about. Jeanne ALTER, Nero Bride and Scathach are already my top 3 (in that order) to consider for the grail. Just waiting on 4 or 3* Servants that might shoot up to top tier because I do want to use the grail on one of them. |
Genkii said: Don't say it baka!I agree that single target np Servants should be top priority while support classes should be excluded unless she or he is a waifu/husbando you fantasize about. Jeanne ALTER, Nero Bride and Scathach are already my top 3 (in that order) to consider for the grail. Just waiting on 4 or 3* Servants that might shoot up to top tier because I do want to use the grail on one of them. Altera is stalking you...  That is not mine :p |
| bruh |
| Altera hits like a truck, she's hitting over 15k with a good CE |
My Queens |
kei78 said: Didn't notice the lvl but the pic itself gave me legit PTSD. Thought I zoned out and did a roll. If you planned that then you're a genius... |
Mission completed |
| bruh |
| I want to ascend Jack,Amakusa,Euryale,Cu and Sasaki. Nowhere close to enough grails tho. |
ssjokgAug 6, 2016 4:14 AM
Best Seiba Hahahaha, level 100 MHX's attack is only like 500 above her. That's sad. Got surpassed in HP also. Plus she surpassed level 100 5* Arthuria ATK by 125. Those EXP cards farming was despair inducing. |
Kaiser-chanAug 6, 2016 6:44 AM
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from lvl90 to 100 i burn 150 all type 4* xp card + 30 random 4* xp card (could be worst without sucess bonus) |
| bruh |
| Not sure whether to get Arturia or Herc to 100. |
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belatkuro said: Not sure whether to get Arturia or Herc to 100. Arty+Fou@100: HP: 17,587 ATK: 13,273 Herk+Fou@100: HP: 13,511 ATK: 13,891 Just compare those to the current HP+ATK of your Arty and Herk and see which one deserves the boost more Sauce Might not be accurate, i dunno. |
The sun is a deadly laser |
mira-pyon said: belatkuro said: Not sure whether to get Arturia or Herc to 100. Arty+Fou@100: HP: 17,587 ATK: 13,273 Herk+Fou@100: HP: 13,511 ATK: 13,891 Just compare those to the current HP+ATK of your Arty and Herk and see which one deserves the boost more Sauce Might not be accurate, i dunno. Need translated name >_< Btw, i got 500k+ summon point and wanted to try my luck since we got 300/300 slot.... 500k point later... WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU ANGRA MANYU?!? Even worst than pulling a 5* |
| bruh |
ShinsoPriest said: astroprogs said: Tamamo at NP1 recovers 1,000HP and has the skill to recover 2,500HP to one ally. Tamamo's NP heals 2,000HP* at NP1 after NP interlude, and can be used more than once in an arts team before 6 turns are up. Spamming it in raids is fun. astroprogs said: I NEVER needed Waver, Tamamo or any healer for that matter. I just used teams that worked together. Neither have I. I steamroll everything with Gil, Saber, and Iskander. The point is that outside of raids, battles aren't hard enough to matter what team build you use, as long as they're 5* with whatever good CE. And when team builds do matter, you know who to use. astroprogs said: My criteria for good is being balanced, not just great in one direction. Flexibility is key to me. I put value in both so I guess that's something we'll never agree on. Flexibility is meaningless when you have 10 party slots, can have 6 servants in a party, and can plan around how you use your servants. And that's why i called Tamamo's heal "great" and Martha's "decent". Builds don't matter in normal battles when you're drowning in 5*s. How many F2Ps do you think have those three 5*, two of which are limited BTW? Flexibility is meaningless when you have every Servant suitable for the task at hand. Currently, i can't make a pure Quick Team because my one and only Servant with a Quick-orinted kit is Atalanta, for example. When your options are limited, you start to care more for the jack-of-all-trades kind of Servants. belatkuro said: Not sure whether to get Arturia or Herc to 100. It's tough choice, but personally, I recommned Herc a tiny bit more. His single-target NP becomes almost broken with the 20 lvl upgrade. I can't even count how many times my Kaleidoscope-Herc came from the back row and killed full HP bosses with an NP-B-B-EX chain. Artoria would be a slightly better tank, but if you have Alter, i recommend ascending her instead. She actually hits harder at lvl 100 than blue at the same level. |
astroprogsAug 6, 2016 11:38 AM
kei78 said: mira-pyon said: Arty+Fou@100: HP: 17,587 ATK: 13,273 Herk+Fou@100: HP: 13,511 ATK: 13,891 Just compare those to the current HP+ATK of your Arty and Herk and see which one deserves the boost more Sauce Might not be accurate, i dunno. Need translated name >_< Btw, i got 500k+ summon point and wanted to try my luck since we got 300/300 slot.... 500k point later... WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU ANGRA MANYU?!? Even worst than pulling a 5* Which names do you need? |
The sun is a deadly laser |
all if possible. cant read this |
| bruh |
| I didn't even thought about it to much. Just grail ascend Jeanne Alter. The second one I'll think about it more. Maaaaybe Kintoki... or maybe a 3*/4* to make it seems like a powerful 5*... |
| How to get the grail ascended stats of all Servants: Step 1. Copy Japanese name from here. Step 2. Search the name here, open the Servant's page and set the level to 100. Step 3. ??? Step 4. Profit |
First half: http://i.imgur.com/DpqvwrC.png I was defeated by the ones in kanji astroprogs said: How to get the grail ascended stats of all Servants: Step 1. Copy Japanese name from here. Step 2. Search the name here, open the Servant's page and set the level to 100. Step 3. ??? Step 4. Profit *Cries* All my effort. All the Paint skills! ;__; |
mira-pyonAug 6, 2016 10:38 AM
The sun is a deadly laser |
| Finally i got Helena. Now i can wait for Jeanne Alter without any regret xD |
mira-pyon said: First half: http://i.imgur.com/DpqvwrC.png I was defeated by the ones in kanji astroprogs said: How to get the grail ascended stats of all Servants: Step 1. Copy Japanese name from here. Step 2. Search the name here, open the Servant's page and set the level to 100. Step 3. ??? Step 4. Profit *Cries* All my effort. All the Paint skills! ;__; thx all |
| bruh |
mira-pyon said: astroprogs said: How to get the grail ascended stats of all Servants: Step 1. Copy Japanese name from here. Step 2. Search the name here, open the Servant's page and set the level to 100. Step 3. ??? Step 4. Profit *Cries* All my effort. All the Paint skills! ;__; No, please continue. Your list is MUCH better for comparing the numbers without having to do all of those steps just to get a single Servant's info. That speed and ease in reaching the info is awesome. |
| I feel like Leonidas (2* Lancer) would be a good candidate for grail ascending since it'd probably make him the best tank. His NP can be spammed, and what it does is it increases his own defense for 3 turns while taunting the enemies for 3 turns, along with giving you 25 stars. One of his skills increases his own NP gain by 100% for 3 turns. Only thing holding him back was the stats of a 2*. |
astroprogs said: No, please continue. Your list is MUCH better for comparing the numbers without having to do all of those steps just to get a single Servant's info. That speed and ease in reaching the info is awesome. Psh. I-its not like I finished i-it because you asked f-for it, o-or anything. B-baka. Also, I defeated the kanji. Be proud of me, senpai |
The sun is a deadly laser |
mira-pyon said: Psh. I-its not like I finished i-it because you asked f-for it, o-or anything. B-baka. Also, I defeated the kanji. Be proud of me, senpai Nice. Effort truly appreciated. Thanks for your hard work, mira-tsun. Senpai is proud. I feel like i should highten my expectations of you now. Fully-translated Mahoyo when? :p ShinsoPriest said: I feel like Leonidas (2* Lancer) would be a good candidate for grail ascending since it'd probably make him the best tank. His NP can be spammed, and what it does is it increases his own defense for 3 turns while taunting the enemies for 3 turns, along with giving you 25 stars. One of his skills increases his own NP gain by 100% for 3 turns. Only thing holding him back was the stats of a 2*. I've never used him, so i don't know TBH, but the consensus seem that grails are wasted if used on 2*s. Too many grails needed for what essentially boils down to a less than average 4* stats-wise. |
astroprogsAug 6, 2016 5:45 PM
| Its even more pointless on 5*. Its so not worth the effort,pain and suffering. |
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| So far i can only state that it is usefull on tamamo cat, frankenwaifu and lancelot zerk because they become farming machine with viable hp |
| bruh |
belatkuro said: Not sure whether to get Arturia or Herc to 100. Herc. Berserkers damage modifier benefits the most from Grail ascension along with Avengers. Not only is he a damage dealer for mobs and bosses, he also has survivability. If the 5* and 4* tier list were to combine, I'd put him way above Gil and Arturia. But if functionality is not your thing and you prefer worshiping waifus, then make the offering to Arturia instead. I don't remember the source but I recall from memory of someone posting a rough estimate of the ATK increase between all star servants maxed at lvl 100. *4 = +20% *5 = +9% Let this bit of information help you also. Anyone feel free to correct me on this. I've spent 1.5mil FP all up with still 2mil left on the side and no sign of Angra Mainyu (not salty, I don't want him). Still blows me away to this day that someone was able to max his NP. |
GenkiiAug 6, 2016 6:52 PM
| So, where does Heracles stand with Kintoki now that grail ascensions are a thing? |
| Grail Ascension is great on a lot of 5*s. On Jeanne, who already takes alot less damage as a Ruler, she gets an even bigger HP pool to irritate the hell out of her opponents. On J. Alter, Jack, Okita and Drake, they become even more broken. Single-target NP servants benefit the best from the upgrade due to their high multiplier and Drake is... well, Drake. For 4*s, lvl 100 Herc, Shiki, Saber Artoria Alter and Kintoki Rider almost seem unfair. They outclass most lvl 90 5*s in the game. For 3*s, Cu, Euryale and Ko-Gil are the only ones that benefit greatly from the upgrade and almost make it to 5* status usability and stats-wise. All 2*s are a waste to upgrade. For 1*s, Arash is probably it. For Angra... you'll feel like an Einzbern in the 3rd war... except dumber since they didn't actually know. ShinsoPriest said: So, where does Heracles stand with Kintoki now that grail ascensions are a thing? Apparently lvl 100 Herc deals more damage than lvl 90 Cu Alter. Genkii said: I don't remember the source but I recall from memory of someone posting a rough estimate of the ATK increase between all star servants maxed at lvl 100. *4 = +20% *5 = +9% Let this bit of information help you also. Anyone feel free to correct me on this. The percentages are correct but to the cap points, not the stars. If a 4* was upgraded to lvl 90, each subsequent upgrade will only see 9% increase in stats, instead of 20%. |
astroprogsAug 6, 2016 7:07 PM
KaiserNazrin said: Its even more pointless on 5*. Its so not worth the effort,pain and suffering. What effort? It's just another average day of farming and wolfing down golden apples. |
ShinsoPriest said: KaiserNazrin said: Its even more pointless on 5*. Its so not worth the effort,pain and suffering. What effort? It's just another average day of farming and wolfing down golden apples. I have escaped that hell. |
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| In the end, i hâte this aniversary. I have burn all my Apple and fp, and 450k qp left... Next grinding events gonna be hell for me |
| bruh |
For Jaaaaaaaaaaack! kei78 said: In the end, i hâte this aniversary. I have burn all my Apple and fp, and 450k qp left... Next grinding events gonna be hell for me I'm kinda happy that I listened to that guy who warned about grail ascensions costing 50mil QP. Perhaps it was Astro? Saved 1bil juuuuuuuuust for muh waifus. :^D And I still have over 120 golden apples. :^DDDDD The joy of having only two 5*s. >.> |
mira-pyonAug 7, 2016 12:38 AM
The sun is a deadly laser |
 Game cleared. |
mira-pyon said: I'm kinda happy that I listened to that guy who warned about grail ascensions costing 50mil QP. Perhaps it was Astro? Yep. Yeah, but one of the two is Jack, so you don't really need any other 5*. Now, both of us should instead feel sorry for the poor bastards who got Medb as their once in a blue moon 5*. Yep, see you in the sequel. |
astroprogsAug 7, 2016 4:22 AM
| Since Pokemon GO has been officially released in my country, I'll have something else to waste my time and some money on. Game is really fun when you have competitors all around you. Pretty tiresome though. I subscribe to another mobile network carrier solely for this game since it got better mobile internet plan. |
Kaiser-chanAug 7, 2016 5:39 AM
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| Now that half ap is over, Grail Ascension is gonna be a bitch. |
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