Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: If you are townie, you need to keep an open mind that town CAN make mistakes too with their actions, but the way they recover from it should help re-evaluate their alignment in your eyes. You have to remember as town you should not feel confident in any read you make and should be prepared to re-evaluate every little moment something new has happened. I do tend to keep an open mind my opinion isn't firm its subject to change. Aggresive players like ari normally are quite confident so I know she wouldn't train someone as hard as dono unless she had complete confidence in her view. I will not hold it against her if she is wrong but doesn't mean I'll also over look any alignment indictiveness either from the lynch. I'm prepared to evaluate all my reads during and after the twilight phase because people are subjected to changed based on these lynch results unless both are town then at that point not sure what to think XD. Doing a vote count analysis is totally fine, but I think it is important to remember that Ari did not do this all on her own. dono would not be here if she was the only one who thought dono was scummy. I also expect you to do some legwork this twilight phase and actually scum hunt between both Soren AND aa-dono (not just Soren) to prove to me that you are interested in gathering information instead of waiting to condemn the mistakes players have made. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: @ari depending on who gets lynched and what they flip will decide if i'm just being dumb with my read on you or if your actualyl scum. Cause if soren flips scum or dono flips town then that will just strenghten my read on you but if that doesn't happen i'll drop my scum read on you for npw. I'll admit I was prob way to aggresive with this statement and my decision isn't solidify this was mainly a test to see how people would respond. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: I really don't like this attitude. So you are holding Ari accountable what happens this day phase. How is that even fair? Town is in it together, town is not fully certain on any alignment. Sure there are reads but nothing is certain they are just mere thoughts based on events that happened D1. Town chose both Soren/dono to go into the twilight phase. Ari thinks Soren is mostly neutral with slight town vibe, and Ari thinks dono is scummy based on how she is acting which fair because the more I read how she reacted to the votes, the worse vibes I got as well. So you are basically telling me that if Arrisu doesn't end up being an ultra scum hunter and make the right choice by not lynching scum today then she is scum? You are basically tunnelling into her the exact same way she tunnelled into dono, but yet you keep screaming how you are town quite a bit. If you are townie, you need to keep an open mind that town CAN make mistakes too with their actions, but the way they recover from it should help re-evaluate their alignment in your eyes. You have to remember as town you should not feel confident in any read you make and should be prepared to re-evaluate every little moment something new has happened. Also, sorry if I sound pissed here, I just find it unfair that some people get more pressure than others when it comes to these games. Tbf people like jack espically jack need alot more pressure because they are extremely good at hiding alignment nor do they ever slip same goes for ari sometimes a little more pressure goes a long way. Also no worries lol. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: I do tend to keep an open mind my opinion isn't firm its subject to change. Aggresive players like ari normally are quite confident so I know she wouldn't train someone as hard as dono unless she had complete confidence in her view. I will not hold it against her if she is wrong but doesn't mean I'll also over look any alignment indictiveness either from the lynch. I'm prepared to evaluate all my reads during and after the twilight phase because people are subjected to changed based on these lynch results unless both are town then at that point not sure what to think XD. Doing a vote count analysis is totally fine, but I think it is important to remember that Ari did not do this all on her own. dono would not be here if she was the only one who thought dono was scummy. I also expect you to do some legwork this twilight phase and actually scum hunt between both Soren AND aa-dono (not just Soren) to prove to me that you are interested in gathering information instead of waiting to condemn the mistakes players have made. I also disagree that all aggressive players are confident. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: I do tend to keep an open mind my opinion isn't firm its subject to change. Aggresive players like ari normally are quite confident so I know she wouldn't train someone as hard as dono unless she had complete confidence in her view. I will not hold it against her if she is wrong but doesn't mean I'll also over look any alignment indictiveness either from the lynch. I'm prepared to evaluate all my reads during and after the twilight phase because people are subjected to changed based on these lynch results unless both are town then at that point not sure what to think XD. Doing a vote count analysis is totally fine, but I think it is important to remember that Ari did not do this all on her own. dono would not be here if she was the only one who thought dono was scummy. I also expect you to do some legwork this twilight phase and actually scum hunt between both Soren AND aa-dono (not just Soren) to prove to me that you are interested in gathering information instead of waiting to condemn the mistakes players have made. I know that full well only reason I hold her to it more is because she was one of the first to bring up dono. I will I'm just waiting to see what dono has to say before I get involved with both of the accused. |
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Vote Count T1.1: aa-dono (0): Soren (0): No lynch (0): Double lynch (0): Players not voting: (Crossbell, Togs, Jackrito, Bee-Boy, SightlessReality, SoulEaterQUEEN, LucianRoy, followind, aa-dono, Soren, bioshade2, Arrisu, Shuuka, Shinichi-kun) Mod Notes: It's been a while since the last vote count, so here's another one. It was pretty easy because nothing changed. >> Time until the phase change << |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Doing a vote count analysis is totally fine, but I think it is important to remember that Ari did not do this all on her own. dono would not be here if she was the only one who thought dono was scummy. I also expect you to do some legwork this twilight phase and actually scum hunt between both Soren AND aa-dono (not just Soren) to prove to me that you are interested in gathering information instead of waiting to condemn the mistakes players have made. I also disagree that all aggressive players are confident. If i implied they all are i'm sorry was just using ari as an example lol. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Also, sorry if I sound pissed here, I just find it unfair that some people get more pressure than others when it comes to these games. Tbf people like jack espically jack need alot more pressure because they are extremely good at hiding alignment nor do they ever slip same goes for ari sometimes a little more pressure goes a long way. Also no worries lol. Jack's alignment is clear as day, he was already been pressured - no idea where you been on that 1. No one is afraid to pressure Ari here either, but you have to have some conviction to pressure someone or it just makes you look like a bully scum whose trying to force a townie to make a slip. |
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It's actually the wavering in confidence with aggressive player's that help discern the alignments IMO. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Shinichi-Kun said: Tbf people like jack espically jack need alot more pressure because they are extremely good at hiding alignment nor do they ever slip same goes for ari sometimes a little more pressure goes a long way. Also no worries lol. Jack's alignment is clear as day, he was already been pressured - no idea where you been on that 1. No one is afraid to pressure Ari here either, but you have to have some conviction to pressure someone or it just makes you look like a bully scum whose trying to force a townie to make a slip. Hmm wasn't implying it isn't clear uhm was just using him as an example smh lol, either I'm bad at explaining my logic or you misread everything i say XD. @bold Tbf that is quite a good tactic but I think that only works on people that don't have strong conviction. |
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| Can we go back to worrying about soren and dono lol cause they are the targets not me and ari. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: It's actually the wavering in confidence with aggressive player's that help discern the alignments IMO. Good player will never waver lol regardless of alignment that's what makes someone like ari so scary if she actually is scum XD. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: Jack's alignment is clear as day, he was already been pressured - no idea where you been on that 1. No one is afraid to pressure Ari here either, but you have to have some conviction to pressure someone or it just makes you look like a bully scum whose trying to force a townie to make a slip. Hmm wasn't implying it isn't clear uhm was just using him as an example smh lol, either I'm bad at explaining my logic or you misread everything i say XD. @bold Tbf that is quite a good tactic but I think that only works on people that don't have strong conviction. If you were using him as an example, you need to say that in your post because it can be interpreted in another way. But that is okay. |
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Soren said: This kind of makes me feel vaguely town on Soren, but has he actually delivered?I'll show you what town Soren is made of in twilight phase. bioshade said: I'm not going to scumread you for your reads, but you do realize that all of these don't really have any conviction behind them and are all just mostly thread consensus? We need some original thoughts.Jackrito/SoulEaterQUEEN: Their back and forth seemed quite genuine as well as hard to script for 2scum so getting g townish feeling from them. Shinichi: While earlier I was getting a friendly vibe, the many posts repeating that he always defends everyone makes me a little suspicious that they might be doing it to take suspicion off of defending a scum if he is one, but he seemed genuinely confused people keep scumcalling hi so I'm still feeling kind of towny for him. ari/Crossbell: while I was quite leary of the at first, rereading everything, I have a hard time seeing someone who posts so much as scum as there would be a greater chance to make a slip up. so it feels townish as well. Bee-boy said: Why would you say this if you were under zero lynch/vote pressure on Day 1?Oh sweet I am safe from being lynched time to lurk. I'm asking this because - this isn't an organic thought, but it still feels like a lack of self-awareness coming from you. I see Soren defending his hardest but not actually scumhunting. @Soren: You have a triple barreled gun. You need to shoot at least one scum, or else the game ends right there and town loses. Which three people do you shoot? Shuuka said: This is not an acceptable second post of the game at this stage.woah woah woah |
Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: It's actually the wavering in confidence with aggressive player's that help discern the alignments IMO. Good player will never waver lol regardless of alignment that's what makes someone like ari so scary if she actually is scum XD. Good town players WILL waver if mistakes happen or they are uncertain. No town knows all. Unless of course you don't care about the game then nothing will change you will continue to act disinterest to the game. Player's who act with full confidence even with many mislynches are the ones to look out for. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Can we go back to worrying about soren and dono lol cause they are the targets not me and ari. WHY? You are the only one online and I wasn't feeling so hot with you slipping out of twilight phase so I am taking my chance to learn more about you. I ain't going to waste the extra time I get this phase, this is just an extension to Day 1 and you caught my eye then. If I sat and wait for dono/Soren to post then I only took advantage a few hours of a whole extra day for this phase. By all means I have NOT forgot about them, I am eagerly waiting for their posts but the fact of the matter is they have not posted (Soren has a bit but I want more, I want his D1 thoughts, a few reads) and waiting for dono to get home to post. |
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Crossbell said: Soren said: This kind of makes me feel vaguely town on Soren, but has he actually delivered?I'll show you what town Soren is made of in twilight phase. bioshade said: I'm not going to scumread you for your reads, but you do realize that all of these don't really have any conviction behind them and are all just mostly thread consensus? We need some original thoughts.Jackrito/SoulEaterQUEEN: Their back and forth seemed quite genuine as well as hard to script for 2scum so getting g townish feeling from them. Shinichi: While earlier I was getting a friendly vibe, the many posts repeating that he always defends everyone makes me a little suspicious that they might be doing it to take suspicion off of defending a scum if he is one, but he seemed genuinely confused people keep scumcalling hi so I'm still feeling kind of towny for him. ari/Crossbell: while I was quite leary of the at first, rereading everything, I have a hard time seeing someone who posts so much as scum as there would be a greater chance to make a slip up. so it feels townish as well. Bee-boy said: Why would you say this if you were under zero lynch/vote pressure on Day 1?Oh sweet I am safe from being lynched time to lurk. I'm asking this because - this isn't an organic thought, but it still feels like a lack of self-awareness coming from you. I see Soren defending his hardest but not actually scumhunting. @Soren: You have a triple barreled gun. You need to shoot at least one scum, or else the game ends right there and town loses. Which three people do you shoot? Shuuka said: This is not an acceptable second post of the game at this stage.woah woah woah I agree with the bold, I need more from Soren like post day 1 thoughts and a reply from Ari's read request before I commit to a decision. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: It's actually the wavering in confidence with aggressive player's that help discern the alignments IMO. Good player will never waver lol regardless of alignment that's what makes someone like ari so scary if she actually is scum XD. This is literally your only reason to chase after me over & over again in each game we've played for the last few months. You are so focused on "what if she is scum" that you are completely blinded by my actual efforts in helping town. |
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Arrisu said: What did you find genuine-looking about his defense?My feelings say that he is town & is being pushed for all the wrong reasons. His defences are pretty genuine looking to me too. Those are my two cents after all. If he is town, who is the scum pushing him? Arrisu said: Okay, I'll keep this in mind. Still think he's town from the early game, even though I don't think he's right about his pushes.Hm. From what I see, he isn't very invested in the game though he remains to be quite active. To me, a player who avoids spotlight but still posts enough to be considered active is a bit odd. I have other reasoning but I want to keep that to myself for now, since I'd like to observe him more in the upcoming phases. SoulEaterQUEEN said: Thanks. I'll take a look through that.The game was mentioned, but not linked so here it is: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1496937 (From skimming, I'm hesitantly willing to re-evaluate my initial read on Lucian; he seems to be doing a lot more IIoA in that game and being a bit more passive) Vote: Double Lynch |
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Arrisu said: Shinichi-Kun said: Good player will never waver lol regardless of alignment that's what makes someone like ari so scary if she actually is scum XD. This is literally your only reason to chase after me over & over again in each game we've played for the last few months. You are so focused on "what if she is scum" that you are completely blinded by my actual efforts in helping town. Here's the twist. @Shinichi-kun what about what IF she is town? if she is THAT GOOD then why are so excited to lynch her possibly day 1? Do you not see her as a valuable asset as possible town, would she not benefit your "town" team? |
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@Crossbell explain. I thought you had some doubt pertaining that they could possibly be both townies? |
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| Yeah, that's just a vote to garner reactions and pressure. Don't worry, not going to keep it around. Want to see both of them talk more since Soren and aa-dono have contributed little. I at least want to see a claim from dono. |
Crossbell said: Soren said: This kind of makes me feel vaguely town on Soren, but has he actually delivered?I'll show you what town Soren is made of in twilight phase. bioshade said: I'm not going to scumread you for your reads, but you do realize that all of these don't really have any conviction behind them and are all just mostly thread consensus? We need some original thoughts.Jackrito/SoulEaterQUEEN: Their back and forth seemed quite genuine as well as hard to script for 2scum so getting g townish feeling from them. Shinichi: While earlier I was getting a friendly vibe, the many posts repeating that he always defends everyone makes me a little suspicious that they might be doing it to take suspicion off of defending a scum if he is one, but he seemed genuinely confused people keep scumcalling hi so I'm still feeling kind of towny for him. ari/Crossbell: while I was quite leary of the at first, rereading everything, I have a hard time seeing someone who posts so much as scum as there would be a greater chance to make a slip up. so it feels townish as well. Bee-boy said: Why would you say this if you were under zero lynch/vote pressure on Day 1?Oh sweet I am safe from being lynched time to lurk. I'm asking this because - this isn't an organic thought, but it still feels like a lack of self-awareness coming from you. I see Soren defending his hardest but not actually scumhunting. @Soren: You have a triple barreled gun. You need to shoot at least one scum, or else the game ends right there and town loses. Which three people do you shoot? Shuuka said: This is not an acceptable second post of the game at this stage.woah woah woah cant help it :x |
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Crossbell said: Yeah, that's just a vote to garner reactions and pressure. Don't worry, not going to keep it around. Want to see both of them talk more since Soren and aa-dono have contributed little. I at least want to see a claim from dono. You do realize that mafia has fake claims given to them though right? |
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Shuuka said: Crossbell said: This kind of makes me feel vaguely town on Soren, but has he actually delivered? I'm not going to scumread you for your reads, but you do realize that all of these don't really have any conviction behind them and are all just mostly thread consensus? We need some original thoughts. Why would you say this if you were under zero lynch/vote pressure on Day 1? I'm asking this because - this isn't an organic thought, but it still feels like a lack of self-awareness coming from you. I see Soren defending his hardest but not actually scumhunting. @Soren: You have a triple barreled gun. You need to shoot at least one scum, or else the game ends right there and town loses. Which three people do you shoot? This is not an acceptable second post of the game at this stage. cant help it :x Come on Shuuka, give us something a bit more to work with here. Who do you think should be lynched today, aa-dono, Soren, or both? |
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| @Crossbell - Mostly gut. I also don't think scum Soren would be so easily compliant with being sent to Twilight phase. He would have worked harder beforehand to get himself out of there. But I could be wrong, Soren's playstyle has changed recently. So take my words with a grain of salt regarding this. Hm the only one on that train that could be seen as scummy is Shinichi-kun. A part of me wants to believe that he is town but all the while his behaviour during the Twilight phase so far is interesting. He's pushing a lynch on Soren yet hasn't announced him as being one of his "scum-reads" at all throughout the game. It's a bit bizarre that he was so willing to hop onto Soren's train to save himself instead of just voting against dono, a "null read". That's another reason why I am leaning on Soren being town. Shinichi makes no mention of wanting dono to be lynched, but readily accepts Soren's lynch. Yet it makes no sense, because he also has a null read on Soren as well. Basically if dono flips scum, I'm lead to believe that Shinichi is also scum. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: They can claim one of the five power roles in the setup and be confirmed town.Crossbell said: Yeah, that's just a vote to garner reactions and pressure. Don't worry, not going to keep it around. Want to see both of them talk more since Soren and aa-dono have contributed little. I at least want to see a claim from dono. You do realize that mafia has fake claims given to them though right? |
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| I swear if the final scum team is Dono, Shinichi & Shuuka... |
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Arrisu said: Thank you for this.@Crossbell - Mostly gut. I also don't think scum Soren would be so easily compliant with being sent to Twilight phase. He would have worked harder beforehand to get himself out of there. But I could be wrong, Soren's playstyle has changed recently. So take my words with a grain of salt regarding this. Hm the only one on that train that could be seen as scummy is Shinichi-kun. A part of me wants to believe that he is town but all the while his behaviour during the Twilight phase so far is interesting. He's pushing a lynch on Soren yet hasn't announced him as being one of his "scum-reads" at all throughout the game. It's a bit bizarre that he was so willing to hop onto Soren's train to save himself instead of just voting against dono, a "null read". That's another reason why I am leaning on Soren being town. Shinichi makes no mention of wanting dono to be lynched, but readily accepts Soren's lynch. Yet it makes no sense, because he also has a null read on Soren as well. Basically if dono flips scum, I'm lead to believe that Shinichi is also scum. You raise good points with scum!Soren not being sent to twilight phase but I literally was just burnt by this with PentaFlare in Tsundere Madness, so I am unsure what to expect of Soren here. I do recall that in Tsundere Madness he was extremely lurky; is that true for him of both alignments? The point with Shinichi is intriguing and I'll have to think about it more. My gut is still leaning towards him being noob town since he feels similar to how he played in Shounen Crossover. |
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| @Arrisu I can't remember the reasons why you wanted to send Soren and dono in particular into the twilight phase. How come it wasn't Kaito/dono, again? |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: @Arrisu I can't remember the reasons why you wanted to send Soren and dono in particular into the twilight phase. How come it wasn't Kaito/dono, again? ^ |
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Crossbell said: Arrisu said: Thank you for this.@Crossbell - Mostly gut. I also don't think scum Soren would be so easily compliant with being sent to Twilight phase. He would have worked harder beforehand to get himself out of there. But I could be wrong, Soren's playstyle has changed recently. So take my words with a grain of salt regarding this. Hm the only one on that train that could be seen as scummy is Shinichi-kun. A part of me wants to believe that he is town but all the while his behaviour during the Twilight phase so far is interesting. He's pushing a lynch on Soren yet hasn't announced him as being one of his "scum-reads" at all throughout the game. It's a bit bizarre that he was so willing to hop onto Soren's train to save himself instead of just voting against dono, a "null read". That's another reason why I am leaning on Soren being town. Shinichi makes no mention of wanting dono to be lynched, but readily accepts Soren's lynch. Yet it makes no sense, because he also has a null read on Soren as well. Basically if dono flips scum, I'm lead to believe that Shinichi is also scum. You raise good points with scum!Soren not being sent to twilight phase but I literally was just burnt by this with PentaFlare in Tsundere Madness, so I am unsure what to expect of Soren here. I do recall that in Tsundere Madness he was extremely lurky; is that true for him of both alignments? The point with Shinichi is intriguing and I'll have to think about it more. My gut is still leaning towards him being noob town since he feels similar to how he played in Shounen Crossover. Shinichi (aka Kaito) is an experienced player, I don't see why he gets a noob pass. Soren has been different than his normal game lately, as if he hasn't been as attentive to playing mafia or as interested lately so it is difficult to comment from my side. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: @Arrisu I can't remember the reasons why you wanted to send Soren and dono in particular into the twilight phase. How come it wasn't Kaito/dono, again? Mostly because I wanted to see how Shinichi would act a bit more since I'm a bit unsure of his alignment. Also having him around has been creating a lot of turbulence in town which is good since it results in a lot more information for us to collect. @Shuuka - Please answer my question then. |
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| @shuuka going to sheep Crossbell's question and put a twist to it. If you had to save a townie from a fire in this game in order to win the game, who would it be? |
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Arrisu said: @Shuuka - Nvm. I see that you've said, "gut feeling". I would like to think you would have more of an opinion on this then simply your gut. Are you caught up to the game? not quite. about to sit back finally and read back a little more. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: It's just that he easily gets pressured/attracts lynch attention as both alignments (thinking of Shounen Crossover and Corpse Party here).Shinichi (aka Kaito) is an experienced player, I don't see why he gets a noob pass. |
Crossbell said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: It's just that he easily gets pressured/attracts lynch attention as both alignments (thinking of Shounen Crossover and Corpse Party here).Shinichi (aka Kaito) is an experienced player, I don't see why he gets a noob pass. He's reactive for sure. Corpse Party he was scum. I'm also thinking back to the Idol game that I played in where he was scum. I remember on Day 1, it threw me off that he defended me in the game which was interesting (I was town), and then he avoided taking part in the main lynches for a few phases of the game, and went on to town shame Jack when Jack lead 3 mislynches in a row and continued to tunnel into him (probably in hopes of making town doubt Jack and frame him). So this raised alarms when I saw him tunneling into Ari earlier, and when people brought up his white knight meta, which he himself admits as well which I remember seeing in the Idol game. This is why I am weary of him currently. |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: Crossbell said: It's just that he easily gets pressured/attracts lynch attention as both alignments (thinking of Shounen Crossover and Corpse Party here). He's reactive for sure. Corpse Party he was scum. I'm also thinking back to the Idol game that I played in where he was scum. I remember on Day 1, it threw me off that he defended me in the game which was interesting (I was town), and then he avoided taking part in the main lynches for a few phases of the game, and went on to town shame Jack when Jack lead 3 mislynches in a row and continued to tunnel into him (probably in hopes of making town doubt Jack and frame him). So this raised alarms when I saw him tunneling into Ari earlier, and when people brought up his white knight meta, which he himself admits as well which I remember seeing in the Idol game. This is why I am weary of him currently. Oops, I was third party not town though I played my wincon to support town. |
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| OK. Writing a "talk through my reads" post currently to hopefully generate some new insights/make me look at people that I haven't looked at before. Once I finish that, please read it - I'll go into more detail on my townreads and such. |
| Also did @LucianRoy die? I remember him playing catch up but no comments being made into the current events of the game? |
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Shuuka said: Arrisu said: @Shuuka - Nvm. I see that you've said, "gut feeling". I would like to think you would have more of an opinion on this then simply your gut. Are you caught up to the game? not quite. about to sit back finally and read back a little more. Hey you ignored my question >.> |
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SoulEaterQUEEN said: @shuuka going to sheep Crossbell's question and put a twist to it. If you had to save a townie from a fire in this game in order to win the game, who would it be? sorry; missed the question. hmm that's tough. you or ari maybe? doesn't seem all so suspicious |
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Shuuka said: SoulEaterQUEEN said: @shuuka going to sheep Crossbell's question and put a twist to it. If you had to save a townie from a fire in this game in order to win the game, who would it be? sorry; missed the question. hmm that's tough. you or ari maybe? doesn't seem all so suspicious what makes someone suspicious to you? |
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| hmm maybe if they just lurk around not claiming anything (which is basically what i've been doing; sorry about that >..<) |
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