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| "I am the Bone of my Sword Steel is my Body and Fire is my Blood I have created over a Thousand Blades Unaware of Loss, Nor aware of Gain. Withstood Pain to create Weapons, Waiting for one’s Arrival I have no Regrets. This is the only Path My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works" |
| Are both mafia factions in same secret club or they have to destroy each other? edit: Nevermind, but still curious about first question. |
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lupadim said: Hime-sama said: suspicioushi ya i just woke up I recommend shooting Hime Controversy said: I want to shoot shaparroni. shap111 said: Gimme gun plis , ill kill kaito I suggest we call clam down and not be so trigger happy. Soren333 said: ok. So if Hime is mafia and you don't get the gun then Hime is mafia. If Hime is town then mafia would give you then gun. Or he's mafia and is trying to make it like he caused a scene to get the mafia's attention but they ignored him, or they're both town and mafia won't give him the gun to set up hime or will give it to him to get an easy kill. O r they're both mafia and messing with us , or the mafia really thought lupa was trying to manipulate them into giving him the gun so they didn't. Soren333 said: KaitoKirishima said: My brain farted.If it Hime or Lupa who is mafia? I saw you put Lupa at first why did you change it to hime? Lupa has been tunnelling on Hime giving non reasons ("that's what I would say as scum!") to assume she's mafia. He even repeated the same reason twice to make it seem as though through repetition it can somehow make his read hold more value. And uses buzz words like "definitely" to persude others of his thinking and also to come to the conclusion that Hime is scum. Now I'm sure that lupa has reasons for this apparent tunneling, possibly to pressure or whatever. Anyways I town read lupa for that because it's a pro town action. And if mafia was reading the game, they would of gave lupa the gun so he can shoot Hime, that is, assuming Hime is town. So why didn't mafia give the gun to lupa so he can shoot Hime if Hime is town? That's because Hime is scum. Hmm, you're still assuming that the mafia would definitely give Lupa the gun. I mean yeah, I would give it to him (or any other experienced scum hunter) if I were mafia but you can't assume the mafia would think the same way you & I do. Then again, mafia didn't' seem to be in agreement on who would be the 1st gun bearer... inactive or infighting? |
| So just a quick thought or 2 about the choice of gun bearer, I find it quite interesting, reasons why Mai was picked could include: 1) She's been gone for so long, she doesn't know everyone well enough to read them accurately, so they hope to manipulate her into shooting town. 2) They didn't want to confirm other players as town. (lupa or hime in this case) 3) Mai 's not super active. (though I see this as a disadvantage for them) Normally, I would expect the mafia to choose a "strong" player to get rid of them asap, so did the mafia avoid such players because they don't wanna confirm them or because they are the mafia? just some questions to keep in mind. KaitoKirishima said: I guess that makes sense, but could just be an entire trap leading me to believe you could possibly be mafia. Usually the first people to point out things like that are mafia, i've come across this alot with blackmailers in TOS being the first to point out someone was blackmailed. I think you either mean it's a trap leading you to think hime is bad or that detecting a trap leads you to believe soren is bad. I don't think soren's bad, I was going to suggest votes for the same reasons he mentioned, getting reads and doing VCA and I too believe that mafia alone would object to such a tactic. Now while it's true that sometimes mafia will suggest these things to get town credit, I doubt that soren as mafia in this game where mafia don't have as much control of kills would willingly suggest the VCA part. So I'm town reading him. As for lupa and hime, I'll wait and see how they actually vote today before I can get a decent read on them. |
Hime-sama said: I am not mafia member at all. yes i did well last time but im not at all. if you lynch you will lose a townie member. if you want MaiTai to shoot me then find ill show that she will die and ill take as gunbearer. You need to choose someone else then, or maybe what fine just kill me then just end it if you want too. I am done okay. you assume right away. i wont be pressured. just lynch a townie and congrats. A townie never gives up! If you get shot and you're town it would only confirm you and you would gain everyone's trust. Therefore, as a person who might become the next gun bearer, you should be focused on finding out who would benefit from the current situation and try to get people to vote. I know it's upsetting to be always targeted early in the game but if you're town, please focus and don't get upset. You only have 2 votes on you assuming Lupa does want to shoot you, and even then, the the decision is ultimately Mai's. So getting this upset is only hurting you (regardless of your alignment). @saya-chan, a short list is also a possibility, I see that working better later on in the game. We can choose a method during the 1st 24 hours, we do have up to 72 hours before the day ends. I didn't see soren question lupadim at all, I don't think they even interacted. Karote said: Are both mafia factions in same secret club or they have to destroy each other? edit: Nevermind, but still curious about first question. It's 1 mafia faction with 7 players (3 vengeful and 4 goons) so yeah, they're all in the same club. Inactive players (0 posts so far) 1 Pyro 4 turtlebandit 5 MaiTai 6 mkim 7 Jackrito 9 Grrr @Jackrito, I know you're lurking, what do you think of everything that's happened so far? |
Soren333 said: KaitoKirishima said: My brain farted.If it Hime or Lupa who is mafia? I saw you put Lupa at first why did you change it to hime? Lupa has been tunnelling on Hime giving non reasons ("that's what I would say as scum!") to assume she's mafia. He even repeated the same reason twice to make it seem as though through repetition it can somehow make his read hold more value. And uses buzz words like "definitely" to persude others of his thinking and also to come to the conclusion that Hime is scum. Now I'm sure that lupa has reasons for this apparent tunneling, possibly to pressure or whatever. Anyways I town read lupa for that because it's a pro town action. And if mafia was reading the game, they would of gave lupa the gun so he can shoot Hime, that is, assuming Hime is town. So why didn't mafia give the gun to lupa so he can shoot Hime if Hime is town? That's because Hime is scum. Could you not also say that lupa's tunneling is because he is mafia but wants to appear eager to kill someone so people would townread for it even though he knows he is not allowed the gun. You also think that mafia would give someone a gun just because a person says they will kill someone people can easily change thier mind once given a gun and may have a real target already who mafia might think is them. As mafia in this game it is better to give the gun to someone who is predictiable or who they know that is eassy to convince to do what they want they is a lot of factors to consider becauseing depending on who mafia is they is a different mindset on how to approuch the game. We have a lot of time and it is down to MaiTai at the end of the day as well so we should take our time to look at the options and not just rush to kill the 1 person we can. |
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grave_robber said: Hime-sama said: I am not mafia member at all. yes i did well last time but im not at all. if you lynch you will lose a townie member. if you want MaiTai to shoot me then find ill show that she will die and ill take as gunbearer. You need to choose someone else then, or maybe what fine just kill me then just end it if you want too. I am done okay. you assume right away. i wont be pressured. just lynch a townie and congrats. A townie never gives up! If you get shot and you're town it would only confirm you and you would gain everyone's trust. Therefore, as a person who might become the next gun bearer, you should be focused on finding out who would benefit from the current situation and try to get people to vote. I know it's upsetting to be always targeted early in the game but if you're town, please focus and don't get upset. You only have 2 votes on you assuming Lupa does want to shoot you, and even then, the the decision is ultimately Mai's. So getting this upset is only hurting you (regardless of your alignment). @saya-chan, a short list is also a possibility, I see that working better later on in the game. We can choose a method during the 1st 24 hours, we do have up to 72 hours before the day ends. I didn't see soren question lupadim at all, I don't think they even interacted. Karote said: Are both mafia factions in same secret club or they have to destroy each other? edit: Nevermind, but still curious about first question. It's 1 mafia faction with 7 players (3 vengeful and 4 goons) so yeah, they're all in the same club. Inactive players (0 posts so far) 1 Pyro 4 turtlebandit 5 MaiTai 6 mkim 7 Jackrito 9 Grrr @Jackrito, I know you're lurking, what do you think of everything that's happened so far? if you call lurking just wakeing up than yeah. also why I did not post before this I see little point in posting before the game has started which in my view it does not until the gun was in play. |
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| I never suspected Hime, I had two objectives with my actions yesterday: a) Reaction testing Hime (who failed miserably and is now scummy to my eyes) b) Maybe, just maybe, receiving the gun for tunneling a townie At least I got a good scum read, why would someone freak out like that? I mean, Hime, if you are really town, if they decide to shoot you, you'd simply get the gun. And anyone can notice that my fos was a joke more or less. |
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| Im more concerned of people who arent playing, It will be hard to have a full details they could, but its still the first night, but its am important day 1 even to lynch the right person, i mean the right person not just someone fail a test, everyone fails or not and sometimes they will turn up as Townie, and ill tell u this Lupa, go back to the mafia and see me as a townie and mostly that is how i act. Or i rage quit which happens if i get to pressured, im not a pressured person, i try to hide it as a mafia but if im a townie then it will happen, it might telling me that this or werewolf game is my last game because im stressing out to much of my new job and college starting up pretty soon, and fricking havent sign up yet, and now im rambling, Anyways, Grave what you said, we still dont know who the vengeful, which concerns me also. so i still want to hear the inactives, but i dont know who townies are but i put my trust in Soren though... and i cant say who to scum read because i believe half are playing and half arent. so i really dont know on the base of that. |
Soren333 said: KaitoKirishima said: My brain farted.If it Hime or Lupa who is mafia? I saw you put Lupa at first why did you change it to hime? Lupa has been tunnelling on Hime giving non reasons ("that's what I would say as scum!") to assume she's mafia. He even repeated the same reason twice to make it seem as though through repetition it can somehow make his read hold more value. And uses buzz words like "definitely" to persude others of his thinking and also to come to the conclusion that Hime is scum. Now I'm sure that lupa has reasons for this apparent tunneling, possibly to pressure or whatever. Anyways I town read lupa for that because it's a pro town action. And if mafia was reading the game, they would of gave lupa the gun so he can shoot Hime, that is, assuming Hime is town. So why didn't mafia give the gun to lupa so he can shoot Hime if Hime is town? That's because Hime is scum. @Soren: I'm suspecting you now, because you only seem to see this from 1 perspective. Lupa could be mafia, trying to make Hime look suspicious. Or they could be both town/mafia. I also find it interesting that you're focussing on the fact that Lupa wasn't chosen as gunbearer, even though there were 2 other players who said they'd like to shoot someone too (and who were more straight-forward about it): Controversy said: I want to shoot shaparroni. shap111 said: Gimme gun plis , ill kill kaito @you two: Why did you say that? And why Shap and Kaito? |
coromandelAug 2, 2015 6:56 AM
lupadim said: I never suspected Hime, I had two objectives with my actions yesterday: a) Reaction testing Hime (who failed miserably and is now scummy to my eyes) b) Maybe, just maybe, receiving the gun for tunneling a townie At least I got a good scum read, why would someone freak out like that? I mean, Hime, if you are really town, if they decide to shoot you, you'd simply get the gun. And anyone can notice that my fos was a joke more or less. @b: You really thought they'd give the gun to you? (Assuming that you're town..) Not giving it to you is worse for Hime, because she's now in the spotlight. If she was mafia, I think they might have given it to you, to show that they're not afraid, and to make her look innocent. The fact that they gave it to MaiTai, even though she hasn't posted during the waiting phase, tells us something, I think. They could have given it to one of those who "wanted" the gun, but decided not to do that. *hmm* |
coromandel said: shap111 said: Gimme gun plis , ill kill kaito Why would you say that? I don't have much to add at the moment: - Kaito seems more serious than usual. - MaiTai is an interesting pick for 1st gunbearer, because she hasn't played here for a while. - Hime got very defensive. In the Touhou game, she was also very upset when I pressured her - she was town in that game though. Im always serious about games lol, its just some people pick up on things before i get a chance to say something. |
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| I haven't yet read the posts. But what I understand from the rules this game is all up to chance if we ignore the psychological elements. So if I have the gun I will just shoot gr someone for personal reasons. |
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grrr said: I haven't yet read the posts. But what I understand from the rules this game is all up to chance if we ignore the psychological elements. So if I have the gun I will just shoot gr someone for personal reasons. I would hope thats now i gun bearers choose to play, because use outside reasoning or personal reasoning has a 50/50 chance get a town or mafia. I mean it's at their own risk since if they shoot another townie over a grudge shot then they just risk their own lives. |
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coromandel said: That's the most obvious course of action though.lupadim said: I never suspected Hime, I had two objectives with my actions yesterday: a) Reaction testing Hime (who failed miserably and is now scummy to my eyes) b) Maybe, just maybe, receiving the gun for tunneling a townie At least I got a good scum read, why would someone freak out like that? I mean, Hime, if you are really town, if they decide to shoot you, you'd simply get the gun. And anyone can notice that my fos was a joke more or less. @b: You really thought they'd give the gun to you? (Assuming that you're town..) Not giving it to you is worse for Hime, because she's now in the spotlight. If she was mafia, I think they might have given it to you, to show that they're not afraid, and to make her look innocent. The fact that they gave it to MaiTai, even though she hasn't posted during the waiting phase, tells us something, I think. They could have given it to one of those who "wanted" the gun, but decided not to do that. *hmm* That's what we call a "WIFOM" (Wine In Front Of Me). It's a null read. Maybe I didn't receive the gun because I am mafia. Just disregard point b) and focus on a), Hime's reaction is not something expected from a townie. |
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Soren333 said: Hime is mafia why so sure? |
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shap111 said: Soren333 said: Hime is mafia why so sure? If worse comes to worse Shap is Mafia Trololol XD. Jk Jk <3 Shap |
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lupadim said: coromandel said: That's the most obvious course of action though.@b: You really thought they'd give the gun to you? (Assuming that you're town..) Not giving it to you is worse for Hime, because she's now in the spotlight. If she was mafia, I think they might have given it to you, to show that they're not afraid, and to make her look innocent. The fact that they gave it to MaiTai, even though she hasn't posted during the waiting phase, tells us something, I think. They could have given it to one of those who "wanted" the gun, but decided not to do that. *hmm* That's what we call a "WIFOM" (Wine In Front Of Me). It's a null read. Maybe I didn't receive the gun because I am mafia. Just disregard point b) and focus on a), Hime's reaction is not something expected from a townie. Lupa, that is nothing to be surprised about to be honest, in all other mafia games i done that before. its a typical way for me and you need to know that since it happen in your club in the chaos town theme and i was the stalker and i tried to tell them i was a townie and kept saying i wasnt and then i got lynched.... you need to remember that is my style if you dont believe me then look at all the times i been a townie which 8 times as townie and three times as mafia. should see a bid difference.. |
| And hime knows as townie how to kill townie always ;) |
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x_at_home said: The_Pyromaani said: And hime knows as townie how to kill townie always ;) What do you mean with this? Nothing important what would need a case. |
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Hime-sama said: so i still want to hear the inactives, but i dont know who townies are but i put my trust in Soren though... and i cant say who to scum read because i believe half are playing and half arent. so i really dont know on the base of that. Why put your trust in Soren then? Especially when he is voting you? |
x_at_home said: Hime-sama said: so i still want to hear the inactives, but i dont know who townies are but i put my trust in Soren though... and i cant say who to scum read because i believe half are playing and half arent. so i really dont know on the base of that. Why put your trust in Soren then? Especially when he is voting you? It is best not to put trust in anyone too much apart from the person withthe gun since any of us could be mafia espically since they are 7 of them. So I agree saying you have faith in someone who is trying to kill you really is a strange choice. |
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The_Pyromaani said: And hime knows as townie how to kill townie always ;) Don't bring past game and grudges into this it helps no one apart from mafia if we try to kill each other off reasons not revelant to the current game. |
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Jackrito said: The_Pyromaani said: And hime knows as townie how to kill townie always ;) Don't bring past game and grudges into this it helps no one apart from mafia if we try to kill each other off reasons not revelant to the current game. Not of his voting mean his reasons thats all, it can change later, im not putting all my faith and trust in him, hes on my borderline of trust to be honest. |
Hime-sama said: The situation is different now, being suspected as a townie could even lead to some sort of benefit as you would get the gun.Lupa, that is nothing to be surprised about to be honest, in all other mafia games i done that before. its a typical way for me and you need to know that since it happen in your club in the chaos town theme and i was the stalker and i tried to tell them i was a townie and kept saying i wasnt and then i got lynched.... you need to remember that is my style if you dont believe me then look at all the times i been a townie which 8 times as townie and three times as mafia. should see a bid difference.. |
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lupadim said: It looks like killing all the vengeful mafia as soon as possible (when we have the biggest amount of townies alive) is essential. If we kill all the 3, even if we have only two townies left, that would still be enough to win the game. This is correct. If we kill the 3 vengeful mafia and we have N mafia and M towns then the probability the town to win is N * (N - 1) / ((N+M-1) * (N+M-2)) which is good. If we add the vengeful mafia and we select the targets randomly then we have: town win - 0.5969% draw - 0.1294% mafia win - 0.2735% Soren333 said: Despite not having a lynching system and that the gun bearer has the the ultimate say for who they want to shoot. I think it is a good idea to still place pseudo votes to keep track of who wants who to get shot. We can also do vca. Oh and if you're against this you're scum. ^ I like this idea and I think it might improve the above 59% . vote: Hime |
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lupadim said: Hime-sama said: The situation is different now, being suspected as a townie could even lead to some sort of benefit as you would get the gun.Lupa, that is nothing to be surprised about to be honest, in all other mafia games i done that before. its a typical way for me and you need to know that since it happen in your club in the chaos town theme and i was the stalker and i tried to tell them i was a townie and kept saying i wasnt and then i got lynched.... you need to remember that is my style if you dont believe me then look at all the times i been a townie which 8 times as townie and three times as mafia. should see a bid difference.. Meaning that if i get voted to be killed ill get the gun or what. kinda confused, not whole confused but umm yea |
Hime-sama said: Dumbtelling won't get you out of thisMeaning that if i get voted to be killed ill get the gun or what. kinda confused, not whole confused but umm yea grrr said: So the probability of there being only two players left (they being a town and a vengeful mafia) is 13%? Uh?draw - 0.1294% |
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lupadim said: Hime-sama said: Dumbtelling won't get you out of thisMeaning that if i get voted to be killed ill get the gun or what. kinda confused, not whole confused but umm yea Umm.. im not dumbtelling, i really dont understand you, if you dont believe me i will PM you and ask you and tell me in specific really im not lying.. |
Hime-sama said: Pretty sure pming is not allowed.lupadim said: Dumbtelling won't get you out of this Umm.. im not dumbtelling, i really dont understand you, if you dont believe me i will PM you and ask you and tell me in specific really im not lying.. |
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Soren333 said: Hime-sama said: Pretty sure pming is not allowed.Umm.. im not dumbtelling, i really dont understand you, if you dont believe me i will PM you and ask you and tell me in specific really im not lying.. Well then he needs to tell me, because i dont UNDERSTAND him one bit. does that look like im lying to everyone??? really??? people who know me should understand. |
[i]Vote List to keep opinions organized. [/i]MaiTai has final say, there is no lynching. Hime-Same (2- Soren, grrr) |
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Soren333 said: Next person that posts is mafia. Nya |
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grrr said: So the probability of there being only two players left (they being a town and a vengeful mafia) is 13%? Uh?[/quote]draw - 0.1294% Assuming random shooting, yes. (unless I have made some mistake, but I don't think I have). |
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| I have come to the conclusion that Pyro is Mafia. How do I know this? I found the diameter of a circle with a circumference of 21.98 feet, and multiplied the result with pi. Afterwards I converted the decimal to a percentage by moving the decimal point two spots to the left, giving me a result of 4. 4 is considered an unlucky number in China because it is pronounced the same way as death. Death is related to Mafia, since Mafia wants to kill Town. Therefore, Pyro is not Town, but Mafia. |
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