(NEW) - 7th Holy Grail War - Club Discussion Thread

Aurioch said:


Don't worry, it won't be necessary for this fight. I'm still working on it... it's huge work, you know ;)

Aurioch said:
Oh god, for the already prearranged result, this is becoming very interesting as the events unfold XD
And now we have not one but two interventions in the battle...

Bluepedal said:


Archer you should probably withdraw from that fight. You gonna die

Aurioch said:


Thanks for concern. Let's see what happens ^^
If I die, I die. Karna is a monster anyway... which is something Archer didn't know until he engaged Lancer.

Bluepedal said:


This Karna Lancer is behaving more like Lancer from UBW, I've never seen the Lancer of Red. But he's saying the exact things Lancer of UBW would say.

Bluepedal said:
hey guys, I've managed to get the VN installed for all three routes, but I'm trying to get vita op and ost to work, because the current one just shows type moon and then some waves and what not, I want the action opening with the ost and everything? Can you guys help

Aurioch said:
Oh god, for the already prearranged result, this is becoming very interesting as the events unfold XD
And now we have not one but two interventions in the battle...

ZeroDragon said:


You can't see the openings or main menu until after you've finished the Prologue and first three days.

ZeroDragon said:


So this fight was somewhat scripted before hand?

Bluepedal said:
I already dropped the Realta Nua VN, that was so boring and bad, I'm never reading Visual novels again, especially because of how they're made, and the slice of life parts were so... ARGH. I'm done.

ZeroDragon said:


Already? That's like someone reading a couple of spots from an RP with over a dozen pages and declare that the whole thing is boring and bad and never RP'ing again. I agree the beginning is really slow, but patience is a good skill to have.

Bluepedal said:


I was at Day 3 when I decided to drop it.

Patience is something I've been lacking lately, but I even the combat scenes didn't impress me. Maybe because I saw the phenomenal ufotable Adaptation which was just god-tier. This by comparison just seems awful. Especially if the course of everything is the same (although not exactly the same) for what I've read so far.

Bluepedal said:


I was at Day 3 when I decided to drop it.

Patience is something I've been lacking lately, but I even the combat scenes didn't impress me. Maybe because I saw the phenomenal ufotable Adaptation which was just god-tier. This by comparison just seems awful. Especially if the course of everything is the same (although not exactly the same) for what I've read so far.

ZeroDragon said:


This is a VN, not an anime. I'm not sure what you were expecting. The flashiness is nice to have, but the focus is still on dialogue/monologue and descriptions since it's a medium that you primarily read and not watch. I felt the Prologue episode was the closest in terms of an adaptation. You don't realize how much was left out (in terms of character development/dynamics and event subtleties) unless you've gone through the route. And of course, since each route shares the Prologue and first three days, naturally things will be the same for where you are in the VN.

Bluepedal said:


I'm aware that this is a VN, as if that isn't obvious, but the problem is that the slice of life moments carry too much irrelevant information, we don't need to know about who get's a boyfriend first or whatever, at least not in comparison the Grail War, it's irrelevant.

HungryPriest said:

If you think that's what was important in that scene....

Bluepedal said:
I clearly just said that I think that was NOT important.

HungryPriest said:

I'm talking about the content of their conversation (boyfriends and stuff). It could have been any other topic, it doesn't matter. Just because they're talking about it doesn't mean it's the main point of the scene. You're putting the importance of the scene in wrong place.

Bluepedal said:


Meh, it does not matter, I'm just not going to read the VN.

blacknight201 said:
o.O So Kirei just used up all of his command seals o.O

OneTrueEmiya said:


Alaya help us, I have no idea what the hell he's planning, but it's gong to end very badly if we don't stop him soon. Well, him and Goldy.

HungryPriest said:
...

Um...

Caren?

What are my options now...?

Can I pick a random human, force him to make a contract and turn him then into a husk? Is that an option?

OneTrueEmiya said:


You can also ally with Team Faker Archer and win :)

HungryPriest said:

Well, sure, but would they seriously even consider anything like that? Caster doesn't have a reputation for nothing. :P

OneTrueEmiya said:


If you sign a Geas scroll that prevents you from betraying them, sure. You'll still get very sharp eyes on you, but you get onto Best Team xD

astroprogs said:

You do realize she possesses Rule Breaker, right?

OneTrueEmiya said:


Only if she has it with her though. I plan to confiscate that nasty little NP :V

Bluepedal said:
I clearly just said that I think that was NOT important.

HungryPriest said:
...

Um...

Caren?

What are my options now...?

Can I pick a random human, force him to make a contract and turn him then into a husk? Is that an option?

CarenPriest said:


It's all setup for when things truly become relevant. There's little to no scenes in F/SN that aren't there to establish something, build up to something, or explain someting.

You must've known after all our discussions and just about just how complex the Fateverse is, so what on earth were you expecting the VN to be like...? Well, I say that you give it another shot, and play until Day 4 at least. If you still can't stand it, then I guess that's fine. I guess in that case, novels just aren't for you.



Yes, that is an option. Make a human (presumably one with dormant Magic Circuits) into a puppet Master, with no personality and no function apart from supplying some mana.

OR! You can join Elizabeth. It's possible that her Conjuration and magic might help you put some use to that Golden Fleece of yours...

blacknight201 said:
i dont know if i remember correctly but i think Caster can't use golden fleece even if its one of her skills?

blacknight201 said:
i dont know if i remember correctly but i think Caster doesn't have a skill that lets her use golden fleece :p

CarenPriest said:


She doesn't, but like Emiya-kun said, someone else might be able to do something about it.

Like say, a magus possessing a unique branch of Magecraft that's capable of summoning things from alternate realms and such (like Elizabeth!) or an entity who can fully comprehend the ritual theory behind a mystical beast summoning (like Rider!).

Maybe Archer, who possesses incredibly advanced Structural Analysis, would be able to give Caster helpful hints how to activate the Golden Fleece, and it's even possible that someone crooked like Kirei - who not only has experience being an Executor but also has experience going out of his way to collect and learn things that aren't in the job description along the way - might know something about it too...

Not to mention Gil-kun, who almost undoubtedly has something in his GoB that can activate it.

So yeah, so long as Caster helpfully cooperates with others, she has a chance to put that thing to use~

CarenPriest said:


She doesn't, but like Emiya-kun said, someone else might be able to do something about it.

Like say, a magus possessing a unique branch of Magecraft that's capable of summoning things from alternate realms and such (like Elizabeth!) or an entity who can fully comprehend the ritual theory behind a mystical beast summoning (like Rider!).

Maybe Archer, who possesses incredibly advanced Structural Analysis, would be able to give Caster helpful hints how to activate the Golden Fleece, and it's even possible that someone crooked like Kirei - who not only has experience being an Executor but also has experience going out of his way to collect and learn things that aren't in the job description along the way - might know something about it too...

Not to mention Gil-kun, who almost undoubtedly has something in his GoB that can activate it.

So yeah, so long as Caster helpfully cooperates with others, she has a chance to put that thing to use~

Aurioch said:
Umm... Caren? Two questions:

1) How much does Archer need to fully recover after the fight with Lancer?
2) What are those two edits on my posts? :) I just need to know if I wrote something invalid or so, so that I don't make that mistake again.

blacknight201 said:
I see, Caster has the items required to summon a dragon, but doesn't have the knowledge to ~

CarenPriest said:


1) Depends on what he did and used. Mortal wounds will take about a week to fully recover from (a la Fate), but apart from that, they should take a day at most, though it'll take more like two to three days for him to fully recover the mana he used for Hrunting... Oh, but first of all, is he operating on his own mana or does he have a proper connection with Shirou? This is pretty important.

2) Those were blatant spoilers, so I had to edit them obv~ 'Course, all I did was modify one line in both posts, so it's no biggie.

OneTrueEmiya said:
Oh hai Caren. Looks like they finally got annoying enough to piss you off completely~ :D

Please don't do anything evil with your new Servant ;___;

Aurioch said:


1) Considering that Shirou performed a summoning, Archer should have proper connection with Shirou; additionally, Shirou secured Tohsaka ley line (if that can be used at all here). He used only twin swords in the direct fight with Lancer, and suffered injuries similar to the ones Archer got after his clash with Assassin in UBW. As for Hrunting, he charged it for only around 5 seconds.

2) Ah, I see. I'll try to be more careful ^^