That shinobu fight was so BAD!!!

Aug 18, 12:47 AM

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anime-only? yeah thought so

Aug 18, 12:49 AM

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They will go more in depth with it in the next movie

Aug 18, 1:52 AM

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Ah I see, understandable.

well let's just say that...Shinobu's role isn't over yet, you will find out her dedication to kill Doma is absurdly insane~

How? Find out in the next episode of Dragonball Z! Demon Slayer movie :)

(っ◔◡◔)っ 𝓘 𝔀𝓲𝓼𝓱 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓪𝓵𝓵 𝓱𝓪𝓿𝓮 𝓪 𝔀𝓸𝓷𝓭𝓮𝓻𝓯𝓾𝓵 𝓭𝓪𝔂 ♥

Aug 18, 1:53 AM

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personally i think they went to this movie directed as a season, cuz that amount of flashback in shinobu and akaza was too much it kinda breaks the immersion of the fight. i was also surprised how shinobu got a weak send off like that. i kinda understand they tryna set up kanao vs upper rank 2, but i feel like shinobu got done dirty, even though the mangaka didn't develop her character properly throughout the series

Aug 18, 3:10 AM

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So someone doesn’t understand how shinobu fights or doesn’t remember season 1, I don’t blame you because unfortunately the story has the problem of not developing all hashiras, but that’s good in some way. It has its pros and cons.

But let me remind everyone quick: She isn’t physically strong as other hashiras, that’s why she literally uses poison. She isn’t the love hashira who is stronger than she looks. She isn’t even stronger than any of the hashira. Physically she is the weakest hashira. But does that make her the worst? Nope, she actually is the smartest hashira as well ironically. So anyone criticising her actions before fruition is a bit annoying because atleast you should have the capability to know that she has a plan.

Now I did know after they announced the movie structure, I fully knew the criticism will be about this part specifically. Why? Because you can’t address the full douma fight in one movie. So either they would have moved it but would have worsened the stakes and the pacing even or leave it as it is. They did the right choice.

I am not trying to spoil anything but addressing the problems you have with what we know about the character.

Aug 18, 3:19 AM

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ahan0306 said:
personally i think they went to this movie directed as a season, cuz that amount of flashback in shinobu and akaza was too much it kinda breaks the immersion of the fight. i was also surprised how shinobu got a weak send off like that. i kinda understand they tryna set up kanao vs upper rank 2, but i feel like shinobu got done dirty, even though the mangaka didn't develop her character properly throughout the series

I really feel like the people who criticise it for flashback breaking immersion, truly don’t realise how bad their criticism is…

Guess how many animes do that? Scratch that. Imagine how many top (the best) animes do that? I will let you guess. Hint: it’s the big three, and other top ones, including your favourite ones. Your criticism would apply to all of them, but you would act like it doesn’t, either double standards or you genuinely do apply it to all.

Now do I think it is a good criticism? Nope, we all knew Akaza had a backstory, it’s not like rocket science. Shinobu? Well surprise we never knew how her sister died or how shinobu felt… It’s like you be damned if you do address and damned if you don’t. And they literally did it at the right times, to be a breather from the action. Btw I will say the biggest take right now: it’s why Demon Slayer beats most new gen anime. Imagine non stop action, you will get numb to it, you won’t feel the tension, you wouldn’t care. It keeps itself from turning to Dragon ball super tournament mode. Where after the action takes place, the hype goes away, and you feel one thing: “wow there’s no story”.

I yapped enough, but seeing this criticism a lot, I had to address it, because wow does it make zero sense.

Aug 18, 3:28 AM

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Confused_100 said:

ahan0306 said:
personally i think they went to this movie directed as a season, cuz that amount of flashback in shinobu and akaza was too much it kinda breaks the immersion of the fight. i was also surprised how shinobu got a weak send off like that. i kinda understand they tryna set up kanao vs upper rank 2, but i feel like shinobu got done dirty, even though the mangaka didn't develop her character properly throughout the series

I really feel like the people who criticise it for flashback breaking immersion, truly don’t realise how bad their criticism is…

Guess how many animes do that? Scratch that. Imagine how many top (the best) animes do that? I will let you guess. Hint: it’s the big three, and other top ones, including your favourite ones. Your criticism would apply to all of them, but you would act like it doesn’t, either double standards or you genuinely do apply it to all.

Now do I think it is a good criticism? Nope, we all knew Akaza had a backstory, it’s not like rocket science. Shinobu? Well surprise we never knew how her sister died or how shinobu felt… It’s like you be damned if you do address and damned if you don’t. And they literally did it at the right times, to be a breather from the action. Btw I will say the biggest take right now: it’s why Demon Slayer beats most new gen anime. Imagine non stop action, you will get numb to it, you won’t feel the tension, you wouldn’t care. It keeps itself from turning to Dragon ball super tournament mode. Where after the action takes place, the hype goes away, and you feel one thing: “wow there’s no story”.

I yapped enough, but seeing this criticism a lot, I had to address it, because wow does it make zero sense.

the reason big three get that many flashback is bcs they are long running shows, filled with many fillers in between, so yea it makes sense they rewind some things in form of flashbacks. demon slayer doesn't need that many flashback unless its an additional info like for example the akaza flashback. we alr know shinobu lost her sister, we still remember. we don't need 3 flashbacks just for her

Aug 18, 3:58 AM

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She weak but not idiot 😏

Aug 18, 4:05 AM

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ahan0306 said:
the reason big three get that many flashback is bcs they are long running shows, filled with many fillers in between, so yea it makes sense they rewind some things in form of flashbacks. demon slayer doesn't need that many flashback unless its an additional info like for example the akaza flashback. we alr know shinobu lost her sister, we still remember. we don't need 3 flashbacks just for her

First of all, you really killed me with how you oversimplified the big three's flashbacks as "reminders" for forgetful viewers

I've watched this movie and I've read the manga. You say “3 flashbacks” like it’s 3 full-length rehashes, but in reality, Shinobu had a couple of short inserts that tied into her feelings and a big reveal coming up in the next movie. Calling it “3 flashbacks” is misleading.

Also, kinda like how the other guy said, you're confusing “what is known” with “what is felt” - yes, we knew Shinobu lost her sister, but knowing ≠ emotionally experiencing. Those "flashbacks" weren’t just information; they were there to reignite feelings and show Shinobu’s personal perspective before

TyrectyAug 18, 4:11 AM

Aug 18, 4:05 AM

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personally i think they went to this movie directed as a season, cuz that amount of flashback in shinobu and akaza was too much it kinda breaks the immersion of the fight. i was also surprised how shinobu got a weak send off like that. i kinda understand they tryna set up kanao vs upper rank 2, but i feel like shinobu got done dirty, even though the mangaka didn't develop her character properly throughout the series

@ahan0306 I think that feeling is one (of the very few) problems with the anime adaptation.

In the manga, those mini-flashbacks are read very, very quickly, so you don't feel as though they break the immersion, but rather that they're small flashes that add emotional weight and complement the fight. In the anime adaptation, what used to be a few seconds turns into several minutes, so the pacing suffers. I think this is precisely the same reason why the humor in this series doesn't work as well; in the manga, they're small panels with silly faces that take up very little space, but in the anime, those moments are much more intrusive.

I think they should have focused more on trying to adapt the experience the manga is trying to deliver, rather than adapting it one-to-one but with stellar animation.

Aug 18, 4:13 AM

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Tyrecty said:

ahan0306 said:
the reason big three get that many flashback is bcs they are long running shows, filled with many fillers in between, so yea it makes sense they rewind some things in form of flashbacks. demon slayer doesn't need that many flashback unless its an additional info like for example the akaza flashback. we alr know shinobu lost her sister, we still remember. we don't need 3 flashbacks just for her

First of all, you really killed me with how you oversimplified the big three's flashbacks as "reminders" for forgetful viewers

I've watched this movie and I've read the manga. You say “3 flashbacks” like it’s 3 full-length rehashes, but in reality, Shinobu had a couple of short inserts that tied into her feelings and a big reveal coming up in the next movie. Calling it “3 flashbacks” is misleading.

Also, kinda like how the other guy said, you're confusing “what is known” with “what is felt” - yes, we knew Shinobu lost her sister, but knowing ≠ emotionally experiencing. Those "flashbacks" weren’t just information; they were there to reignite feelings and show Shinobu’s personal perspective before

i mean obviously u have read the manga and u feel the flashback are necessary to set up the fights in next movie. but in the eyes of anime only like me the flashbacks feels like its just retelling 80% if what we alr know of shinobu. i wouldn't mind if more new info pops up more (maybe to the same extent as akaza). also we never bond deeply with shinobu and as someone who onky watched demon slayer since 2020 i already dont care about her since we only started to learn more about her veryyy late into the series. not onky that, she also died pretty quick, im expecting its supposed to make us feel sad after just some flashbacks? a lotta ppl saying including ny friends that the next movie will tell us more about her, but for now i dont feel the hype for the set up fight between kanao and rank 2

Aug 18, 4:15 AM

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papandreu22 said:
@ahan0306 I think that feeling is one (of the very few) problems with the anime adaptation.

In the manga, those mini-flashbacks are read very, very quickly, so you don't feel as though they break the immersion, but rather that they're small flashes that add emotional weight and complement the fight. In the anime adaptation, what used to be a few seconds turns into several minutes, so the pacing suffers. I think this is precisely the same reason why the humor in this series doesn't work as well; in the manga, they're small panels with silly faces that take up very little space, but in the anime, those moments are much more intrusive.

I think they should have focused more on trying to adapt the experience the manga is trying to deliver, rather than adapting it one-to-one but with stellar animation.

i get what u mean but i won't mind a one to one adaptation in a form of season, because at least we can take a break for every 20 minutes. in the movie i need to force myself to not sleep and play with my phone during flashbacks so i can understand the movie to the max

Aug 18, 5:32 AM

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ahan0306 said:

Confused_100 said:

I really feel like the people who criticise it for flashback breaking immersion, truly don’t realise how bad their criticism is…

Guess how many animes do that? Scratch that. Imagine how many top (the best) animes do that? I will let you guess. Hint: it’s the big three, and other top ones, including your favourite ones. Your criticism would apply to all of them, but you would act like it doesn’t, either double standards or you genuinely do apply it to all.

Now do I think it is a good criticism? Nope, we all knew Akaza had a backstory, it’s not like rocket science. Shinobu? Well surprise we never knew how her sister died or how shinobu felt… It’s like you be damned if you do address and damned if you don’t. And they literally did it at the right times, to be a breather from the action. Btw I will say the biggest take right now: it’s why Demon Slayer beats most new gen anime. Imagine non stop action, you will get numb to it, you won’t feel the tension, you wouldn’t care. It keeps itself from turning to Dragon ball super tournament mode. Where after the action takes place, the hype goes away, and you feel one thing: “wow there’s no story”.

I yapped enough, but seeing this criticism a lot, I had to address it, because wow does it make zero sense.

the reason big three get that many flashback is bcs they are long running shows, filled with many fillers in between, so yea it makes sense they rewind some things in form of flashbacks. demon slayer doesn't need that many flashback unless its an additional info like for example the akaza flashback. we alr know shinobu lost her sister, we still remember. we don't need 3 flashbacks just for her

You just confused between reminder flashbacks and backstory flashbacks… The big three all have backstory flashbacks, which ironically all of them apply it to break the action. One piece anime did it recently in Egghead arc and with many arcs before. Bleach did it in the Arancar arc. Naruto did it in Pain arc and war arc. All of them did it not because they are long running, but because the story flew with the action.

It’s the same here to some extent. Is the flashback there to make you feel bad? No… It does, true, but it’s literally there to show you how much shinobu felt and why she is going to such extent. Its main intent was to make you understand her character more not to feel bad.

Yes I do agree that movie format in some way sucks because you have to wait to fully comprehend why she did that. But it’s like the owner fault not the writer, if that makes sense. But I would like to think of it as you are reading the manga volumes, this is first part of the volume which was released, and it ended like that. What most of readers do is wait before judging. You can’t judge the fight without seeing it to its end. Did you see the full fight? Nope, you just saw a part of it and judging on that. It’s not only unfair but it doesn’t hold.

So saying “this flashback is useless” when you didn’t see what it results in, is not fair criticism.

I would actually say the flashbacks in infinity castle arc are all useful unlike the previous arcs. Because all of them are related to the fights and the results of the fights.

Confused_100Aug 18, 5:40 AM

Aug 18, 5:36 AM

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papandreu22 said:
@ahan0306 I think that feeling is one (of the very few) problems with the anime adaptation.

In the manga, those mini-flashbacks are read very, very quickly, so you don't feel as though they break the immersion, but rather that they're small flashes that add emotional weight and complement the fight. In the anime adaptation, what used to be a few seconds turns into several minutes, so the pacing suffers. I think this is precisely the same reason why the humor in this series doesn't work as well; in the manga, they're small panels with silly faces that take up very little space, but in the anime, those moments are much more intrusive.

I think they should have focused more on trying to adapt the experience the manga is trying to deliver, rather than adapting it one-to-one but with stellar animation.

Ironically they don’t do one to one manga adaptation. They literally added scenes for the Akaza fight. Even in Mugen train, Rengoku vs Akaza ended in one chapter but half of the movie was them fighting. Gyutaro vs Tengan wasn’t like that in manga either. Demon Slayer could be one of the only adaptations that enhance the manga 10 folds like Bleach TYBW arc anime is doing.

But I will give you something, unfortunately they do prolong the “funny” scenes or annoying scenes with Zenitsu in previous arcs for example. Thankfully, we are done with the comedy of Demon Slayer and now it’s impossible for then to prolong those scenes.

Aug 18, 5:38 AM

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Man I sure wish she had another trick up her sleeve.

If you enjoyed the time you wasted, then its not a waste of time.

Aug 18, 5:38 AM

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Confused_100 said:

ahan0306 said:

the reason big three get that many flashback is bcs they are long running shows, filled with many fillers in between, so yea it makes sense they rewind some things in form of flashbacks. demon slayer doesn't need that many flashback unless its an additional info like for example the akaza flashback. we alr know shinobu lost her sister, we still remember. we don't need 3 flashbacks just for her

You just confused between reminder flashbacks and backstory flashbacks… The big three all have backstory flashbacks, which ironically all of them apply it to break the action. One piece anime did it recently in Egghead arc and with many arcs before. Bleach did it in the Arancar arc. Naruto did it in Pain arc and war arc. All of them did it not because they are long running, but because the story flew with the action.

It’s the same here to some extent. Is the flashback there to make you feel bad? No… It does, true, but it’s literally there to show you how much shinobu felt and why she is going to such extent. Its main intent was to make you understand her character more not to feel bad.

Yes I do agree that movie format in some way sucks because you have to wait to fully comprehend why she did that. But it’s like the owner fault not the writer, if that makes sense. But I would like to think of it as you are reading the manga volumes, this is first part of the volume which was released, and it ended like that. What most of readers do is wait before judging. You can’t judge the fight without seeing it to its end. Did you see the full fight? Nope, you just saw a part of it and judging on that. It’s not only unfair but it doesn’t hold.

So saying “this flashback is useless” when you didn’t see what it results in, is not fair criticism.

im purely jusdging this movie fights alone. from what i see, the shinobu fight is just a set up for the sake of set up. i can only think as she is being sacrifice just for a set up for kanao. its very underwhelming to me, since she's a hashira that we barely know, and now a more underdeveloped character replacing her makes no sense to me. the next movie can change my perspective for the whole fight, but for now as anime only person, im not very satisfied on how things end up in this movie alone. so no im not judging the whole rank 2 demon, just the shinobu fight

Aug 18, 5:41 AM

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ahan0306 said:

Confused_100 said:

ahan0306 said:

Confused_100 said:

ahan0306 said:
personally i think they went to this movie directed as a season, cuz that amount of flashback in shinobu and akaza was too much it kinda breaks the immersion of the fight. i was also surprised how shinobu got a weak send off like that. i kinda understand they tryna set up kanao vs upper rank 2, but i feel like shinobu got done dirty, even though the mangaka didn't develop her character properly throughout the series

I really feel like the people who criticise it for flashback breaking immersion, truly don’t realise how bad their criticism is…

Guess how many animes do that? Scratch that. Imagine how many top (the best) animes do that? I will let you guess. Hint: it’s the big three, and other top ones, including your favourite ones. Your criticism would apply to all of them, but you would act like it doesn’t, either double standards or you genuinely do apply it to all.

Now do I think it is a good criticism? Nope, we all knew Akaza had a backstory, it’s not like rocket science. Shinobu? Well surprise we never knew how her sister died or how shinobu felt… It’s like you be damned if you do address and damned if you don’t. And they literally did it at the right times, to be a breather from the action. Btw I will say the biggest take right now: it’s why Demon Slayer beats most new gen anime. Imagine non stop action, you will get numb to it, you won’t feel the tension, you wouldn’t care. It keeps itself from turning to Dragon ball super tournament mode. Where after the action takes place, the hype goes away, and you feel one thing: “wow there’s no story”.

I yapped enough, but seeing this criticism a lot, I had to address it, because wow does it make zero sense.

the reason big three get that many flashback is bcs they are long running shows, filled with many fillers in between, so yea it makes sense they rewind some things in form of flashbacks. demon slayer doesn't need that many flashback unless its an additional info like for example the akaza flashback. we alr know shinobu lost her sister, we still remember. we don't need 3 flashbacks just for her

You just confused between reminder flashbacks and backstory flashbacks… The big three all have backstory flashbacks, which ironically all of them apply it to break the action. One piece anime did it recently in Egghead arc and with many arcs before. Bleach did it in the Arancar arc. Naruto did it in Pain arc and war arc. All of them did it not because they are long running, but because the story flew with the action.

It’s the same here to some extent. Is the flashback there to make you feel bad? No… It does, true, but it’s literally there to show you how much shinobu felt and why she is going to such extent. Its main intent was to make you understand her character more not to feel bad.

Yes I do agree that movie format in some way sucks because you have to wait to fully comprehend why she did that. But it’s like the owner fault not the writer, if that makes sense. But I would like to think of it as you are reading the manga volumes, this is first part of the volume which was released, and it ended like that. What most of readers do is wait before judging. You can’t judge the fight without seeing it to its end. Did you see the full fight? Nope, you just saw a part of it and judging on that. It’s not only unfair but it doesn’t hold.

So saying “this flashback is useless” when you didn’t see what it results in, is not fair criticism.

im purely jusdging this movie fights alone. from what i see, the shinobu fight is just a set up for the sake of set up. i can only think as she is being sacrifice just for a set up for kanao. its very underwhelming to me, since she's a hashira that we barely know, and now a more underdeveloped character replacing her makes no sense to me. the next movie can change my perspective for the whole fight, but for now as anime only person, im not very satisfied on how things end up in this movie alone. so no im not judging the whole rank 2 demon, just the shinobu fight

Yeah you should wait and see. Or read the manga. Because really that criticism, I assure you, won’t hold up.

I would actually say that all flashbacks especially in this arc are related to the fights and the results. Unlike the previous arcs, where these criticisms would hold.

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Aug 18, 5:51 AM

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Confused_100 said:

ahan0306 said:

Confused_100 said:

ahan0306 said:

Confused_100 said:

ahan0306 said:
personally i think they went to this movie directed as a season, cuz that amount of flashback in shinobu and akaza was too much it kinda breaks the immersion of the fight. i was also surprised how shinobu got a weak send off like that. i kinda understand they tryna set up kanao vs upper rank 2, but i feel like shinobu got done dirty, even though the mangaka didn't develop her character properly throughout the series

I really feel like the people who criticise it for flashback breaking immersion, truly don’t realise how bad their criticism is…

Guess how many animes do that? Scratch that. Imagine how many top (the best) animes do that? I will let you guess. Hint: it’s the big three, and other top ones, including your favourite ones. Your criticism would apply to all of them, but you would act like it doesn’t, either double standards or you genuinely do apply it to all.

Now do I think it is a good criticism? Nope, we all knew Akaza had a backstory, it’s not like rocket science. Shinobu? Well surprise we never knew how her sister died or how shinobu felt… It’s like you be damned if you do address and damned if you don’t. And they literally did it at the right times, to be a breather from the action. Btw I will say the biggest take right now: it’s why Demon Slayer beats most new gen anime. Imagine non stop action, you will get numb to it, you won’t feel the tension, you wouldn’t care. It keeps itself from turning to Dragon ball super tournament mode. Where after the action takes place, the hype goes away, and you feel one thing: “wow there’s no story”.

I yapped enough, but seeing this criticism a lot, I had to address it, because wow does it make zero sense.

the reason big three get that many flashback is bcs they are long running shows, filled with many fillers in between, so yea it makes sense they rewind some things in form of flashbacks. demon slayer doesn't need that many flashback unless its an additional info like for example the akaza flashback. we alr know shinobu lost her sister, we still remember. we don't need 3 flashbacks just for her

You just confused between reminder flashbacks and backstory flashbacks… The big three all have backstory flashbacks, which ironically all of them apply it to break the action. One piece anime did it recently in Egghead arc and with many arcs before. Bleach did it in the Arancar arc. Naruto did it in Pain arc and war arc. All of them did it not because they are long running, but because the story flew with the action.

It’s the same here to some extent. Is the flashback there to make you feel bad? No… It does, true, but it’s literally there to show you how much shinobu felt and why she is going to such extent. Its main intent was to make you understand her character more not to feel bad.

Yes I do agree that movie format in some way sucks because you have to wait to fully comprehend why she did that. But it’s like the owner fault not the writer, if that makes sense. But I would like to think of it as you are reading the manga volumes, this is first part of the volume which was released, and it ended like that. What most of readers do is wait before judging. You can’t judge the fight without seeing it to its end. Did you see the full fight? Nope, you just saw a part of it and judging on that. It’s not only unfair but it doesn’t hold.

So saying “this flashback is useless” when you didn’t see what it results in, is not fair criticism.

im purely jusdging this movie fights alone. from what i see, the shinobu fight is just a set up for the sake of set up. i can only think as she is being sacrifice just for a set up for kanao. its very underwhelming to me, since she's a hashira that we barely know, and now a more underdeveloped character replacing her makes no sense to me. the next movie can change my perspective for the whole fight, but for now as anime only person, im not very satisfied on how things end up in this movie alone. so no im not judging the whole rank 2 demon, just the shinobu fight

Yeah you should wait and see. Or read the manga. Because really that criticism, I assure you, won’t hold up.

I would actually say that all flashbacks especially in this arc are related to the fights and the results. Unlike the previous arcs, where these criticisms would hold.

also to ur other point, i never said these flashbacks are unnecessary. i just think MOST of the flashback is just retelling the same story we already know, and the other flashback are too long, atleast in a movie type trilogy. ending the shinobu fight in that fashion is crazy, it aint even a proper send off for a hashira. so saying things like wait for next year or read the manga doesn't mean im not allowed to dislike this shinobu fight in the movie. i can only hope the next movie fix it

Aug 18, 6:42 AM

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ahan0306 said:

Confused_100 said:

ahan0306 said:

Confused_100 said:

ahan0306 said:

Confused_100 said:

ahan0306 said:
personally i think they went to this movie directed as a season, cuz that amount of flashback in shinobu and akaza was too much it kinda breaks the immersion of the fight. i was also surprised how shinobu got a weak send off like that. i kinda understand they tryna set up kanao vs upper rank 2, but i feel like shinobu got done dirty, even though the mangaka didn't develop her character properly throughout the series

I really feel like the people who criticise it for flashback breaking immersion, truly don’t realise how bad their criticism is…

Guess how many animes do that? Scratch that. Imagine how many top (the best) animes do that? I will let you guess. Hint: it’s the big three, and other top ones, including your favourite ones. Your criticism would apply to all of them, but you would act like it doesn’t, either double standards or you genuinely do apply it to all.

Now do I think it is a good criticism? Nope, we all knew Akaza had a backstory, it’s not like rocket science. Shinobu? Well surprise we never knew how her sister died or how shinobu felt… It’s like you be damned if you do address and damned if you don’t. And they literally did it at the right times, to be a breather from the action. Btw I will say the biggest take right now: it’s why Demon Slayer beats most new gen anime. Imagine non stop action, you will get numb to it, you won’t feel the tension, you wouldn’t care. It keeps itself from turning to Dragon ball super tournament mode. Where after the action takes place, the hype goes away, and you feel one thing: “wow there’s no story”.

I yapped enough, but seeing this criticism a lot, I had to address it, because wow does it make zero sense.

the reason big three get that many flashback is bcs they are long running shows, filled with many fillers in between, so yea it makes sense they rewind some things in form of flashbacks. demon slayer doesn't need that many flashback unless its an additional info like for example the akaza flashback. we alr know shinobu lost her sister, we still remember. we don't need 3 flashbacks just for her

You just confused between reminder flashbacks and backstory flashbacks… The big three all have backstory flashbacks, which ironically all of them apply it to break the action. One piece anime did it recently in Egghead arc and with many arcs before. Bleach did it in the Arancar arc. Naruto did it in Pain arc and war arc. All of them did it not because they are long running, but because the story flew with the action.

It’s the same here to some extent. Is the flashback there to make you feel bad? No… It does, true, but it’s literally there to show you how much shinobu felt and why she is going to such extent. Its main intent was to make you understand her character more not to feel bad.

Yes I do agree that movie format in some way sucks because you have to wait to fully comprehend why she did that. But it’s like the owner fault not the writer, if that makes sense. But I would like to think of it as you are reading the manga volumes, this is first part of the volume which was released, and it ended like that. What most of readers do is wait before judging. You can’t judge the fight without seeing it to its end. Did you see the full fight? Nope, you just saw a part of it and judging on that. It’s not only unfair but it doesn’t hold.

So saying “this flashback is useless” when you didn’t see what it results in, is not fair criticism.

im purely jusdging this movie fights alone. from what i see, the shinobu fight is just a set up for the sake of set up. i can only think as she is being sacrifice just for a set up for kanao. its very underwhelming to me, since she's a hashira that we barely know, and now a more underdeveloped character replacing her makes no sense to me. the next movie can change my perspective for the whole fight, but for now as anime only person, im not very satisfied on how things end up in this movie alone. so no im not judging the whole rank 2 demon, just the shinobu fight

Yeah you should wait and see. Or read the manga. Because really that criticism, I assure you, won’t hold up.

I would actually say that all flashbacks especially in this arc are related to the fights and the results. Unlike the previous arcs, where these criticisms would hold.

also to ur other point, i never said these flashbacks are unnecessary. i just think MOST of the flashback is just retelling the same story we already know, and the other flashback are too long, atleast in a movie type trilogy. ending the shinobu fight in that fashion is crazy, it aint even a proper send off for a hashira. so saying things like wait for next year or read the manga doesn't mean im not allowed to dislike this shinobu fight in the movie. i can only hope the next movie fix it

I said the movie format has that disadvantage… I won’t repeat it for obvious reasons.

Again I am not gonna spoil anything, so try and wait. What you saw was putting the stakes on the table. That this arc will be brutal and won’t be you know, everyone will be alive in the end. That’s the point of such scenes.

Aug 18, 6:46 AM

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So someone doesn’t understand how shinobu fights or doesn’t remember season 1, I don’t blame you because unfortunately the story has the problem of not developing all hashiras, but that’s good in some way. It has its pros and cons.

But let me remind everyone quick: She isn’t physically strong as other hashiras, that’s why she literally uses poison. She isn’t the love hashira who is stronger than she looks. She isn’t even stronger than any of the hashira. Physically she is the weakest hashira. But does that make her the worst? Nope, she actually is the smartest hashira as well ironically. So anyone criticising her actions before fruition is a bit annoying because atleast you should have the capability to know that she has a plan.

Now I did know after they announced the movie structure, I fully knew the criticism will be about this part specifically. Why? Because you can’t address the full douma fight in one movie. So either they would have moved it but would have worsened the stakes and the pacing even or leave it as it is. They did the right choice.

I am not trying to spoil anything but addressing the problems you have with what we know about the character.

@Confused_100 i just like my fight flow smoothly and esp early in the movie, it needed a punch to kick off not light novel level of exposition. Of course, shes weak but adaptabilty is soo crucial to a fight and that doesnt appear for her fight and thats sad also its convienient for kanao to appear last minute. idk i just hate that out of all the fights this was the weakest and forgetable fight in a crucial final arc hmmm and thats down to ufo actually they really mess this fight with its flashback

farkkkkk i hate this man honestly it shoud be season and then an actual final be the movie so that no flashback is needed in the movie but eh

Aug 18, 6:52 AM

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Natsude_tanaka said:
@Confused_100 i just like my fight flow smoothly and esp early in the movie, it needed a punch to kick off not light novel level of exposition. Of course, shes weak but adaptabilty is soo crucial to a fight and that doesnt appear for her fight and thats sad also its convienient for kanao to appear last minute. idk i just hate that out of all the fights this was the weakest and forgetable fight in a crucial final arc hmmm and thats down to ufo actually they really mess this fight with its flashback

farkkkkk i hate this man honestly it shoud be season and then an actual final be the movie so that no flashback is needed in the movie but eh

i agreed on all ur points. like why is kanao so important and fighting freaking no2 all of the sudden. i feel like they're going to make a season out of this movie bcs the direction is there too tbf

Aug 18, 6:57 AM

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Natsude_tanaka said:
@Confused_100 i just like my fight flow smoothly and esp early in the movie, it needed a punch to kick off not light novel level of exposition. Of course, shes weak but adaptabilty is soo crucial to a fight and that doesnt appear for her fight and thats sad also its convienient for kanao to appear last minute. idk i just hate that out of all the fights this was the weakest and forgetable fight in a crucial final arc hmmm and thats down to ufo actually they really mess this fight with its flashback

farkkkkk i hate this man honestly it shoud be season and then an actual final be the movie so that no flashback is needed in the movie but eh

I don’t believe they ruined it, or it’s convenient.

Kanao appeared after Shinobu was, you know… I don’t know what you expected

Should she have appeared before, welllllll there is a reason for that… Is it the worst fight? Well it is in the movie with Akaza in it lol. But if you compare it to other demon slayer fights, it’s actually short and good. It’s not over obviously, but I don’t want to spoil anything.

Unfortunately next movie will have the best fight in the whole series, why is it unfortunately? Wellll it’s not douma lol. He will be forgettable compared to Akaza and first upper moon, but that’s not because the fight is bad but it’s just they are just that good.

Btw should it have been a season? Yes I would have wanted that, but they made the business move and it seems to be the right one for them.

Aug 18, 9:41 AM

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Natsude_tanaka said:
It hurt my eyes and ears listening to her idiocy.

After all this year, all she can think to giht douma was to abused her weakass posion. Is this supposed to be hashira level?

i guess thats why she wasnt getting that many screentime throughout this series cuz shes too weak lol

Douma absorbs shinobu & the poison shinobu prepared to kill him

Aug 19, 10:35 AM

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It hurt my eyes and ears listening to her idiocy.

After all this year, all she can think to giht douma was to abused her weakass posion. Is this supposed to be hashira level?

i guess thats why she wasnt getting that many screentime throughout this series cuz shes too weak lol

I expect a formal apology once you watch infinity castle movie 2 in a few years.

Aug 19, 8:02 PM

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Natsude_tanaka said:
It hurt my eyes and ears listening to her idiocy.

After all this year, all she can think to giht douma was to abused her weakass posion. Is this supposed to be hashira level?

i guess thats why she wasnt getting that many screentime throughout this series cuz shes too weak lol

I expect a formal apology once you watch infinity castle movie 2 in a few years.

@Phantom_Void737 aight bet but i swear if its some bs nah bro hahahaha

Aug 19, 9:07 PM

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@Phantom_Void737 aight bet but i swear if its some bs nah bro hahahaha

@Natsude_tanaka I mean I won't spoil what happens but I think what happens is good for her character and makes sense. Its a lot less bs than some other moments in this arc imo

Aug 19, 11:21 PM

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ahan0306 said:
personally i think they went to this movie directed as a season, cuz that amount of flashback in shinobu and akaza was too much it kinda breaks the immersion of the fight. i was also surprised how shinobu got a weak send off like that. i kinda understand they tryna set up kanao vs upper rank 2, but i feel like shinobu got done dirty, even though the mangaka didn't develop her character properly throughout the series

I really feel like the people who criticise it for flashback breaking immersion, truly don’t realise how bad their criticism is…

Guess how many animes do that? Scratch that. Imagine how many top (the best) animes do that? I will let you guess. Hint: it’s the big three, and other top ones, including your favourite ones. Your criticism would apply to all of them, but you would act like it doesn’t, either double standards or you genuinely do apply it to all.

Now do I think it is a good criticism? Nope, we all knew Akaza had a backstory, it’s not like rocket science. Shinobu? Well surprise we never knew how her sister died or how shinobu felt… It’s like you be damned if you do address and damned if you don’t. And they literally did it at the right times, to be a breather from the action. Btw I will say the biggest take right now: it’s why Demon Slayer beats most new gen anime. Imagine non stop action, you will get numb to it, you won’t feel the tension, you wouldn’t care. It keeps itself from turning to Dragon ball super tournament mode. Where after the action takes place, the hype goes away, and you feel one thing: “wow there’s no story”.

I yapped enough, but seeing this criticism a lot, I had to address it, because wow does it make zero sense.

the reason big three get that many flashback is bcs they are long running shows, filled with many fillers in between, so yea it makes sense they rewind some things in form of flashbacks. demon slayer doesn't need that many flashback unless its an additional info like for example the akaza flashback. we alr know shinobu lost her sister, we still remember. we don't need 3 flashbacks just for her

@ahan0306 I'd argue anime like Frieren uses more flashbacks and it has like what? 28 episodes? That breaks the immersion even more than Demon Slayer. Take for example, the Frieren vs Aura fight.

Aug 19, 11:24 PM

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@ahan0306 I'd argue anime like Frieren uses more flashbacks and it has like what? 28 episodes? That breaks the immersion even more than Demon Slayer. Take for example, the Frieren vs Aura fight.

nawh frieren flashback was perfect imo. their fight with aura was not intense as demon slayer, so the flashback to me doesn't break the immersion. plus the flashbacks in frieren revealed more lore than shinobu fight. plus u are comparing seasonal anime with movie anime, even if u get bored with it u can stop at the end of episode, but u cant with anime movies

Aug 19, 11:27 PM

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@ahan0306 I'd argue anime like Frieren uses more flashbacks and it has like what? 28 episodes? That breaks the immersion even more than Demon Slayer. Take for example, the Frieren vs Aura fight.

nawh frieren flashback was perfect imo. their fight with aura was not intense as demon slayer, so the flashback to me doesn't break the immersion. plus the flashbacks in frieren revealed more lore than shinobu fight. plus u are comparing seasonal anime with movie anime, even if u get bored with it u can stop at the end of episode, but u cant with anime movies

@ahan0306 Well, can't argue with that.

Aug 20, 8:56 AM

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to be fair, That's all she could do. In terms of physical strength, she's like a child, so all she has left are poisons. Remember that some take time to work. Overall, she's not particularly well-developed as a character;being angry, pretending to be her sister and wanting revenge is basically her story. she has little screen time, so it doesn't really grab your attention. We learn a little more about her right before her death, but after that, there aren't many scenes with her, so it's not gripping.It wasn't the best fight, but still was better than the Zenitsu-Kaigaku fight, which was completely out of nowhere. Who even cares about this random guy? It was just so Zenitsu had someone to fight. but anyway I'd rather complain about another problem: the pacing of this film. The film follows a typical flashback fight pattern, and it seriously disrupts the balance. That's how it is in the manga, but I don't know why the studio came up with the idea of extending the flashbacks so much. This film is too long and has too many unnecessary, drawn-out scenes. Akaza's flashback lasts about half an hour, lol. It was also jarring in the fight with Shinobu, and there were scenes we'd already seen. Maybe it would have been handled differently if they weren't so repetitive, I don't know, but something about this film is off. I still think it would have been better in normal episodes. Waiting years for the next films doesn't exactly fill me with optimism. They'll be beautiful, but after all this time, the excitement fades.

Aug 20, 1:17 PM

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The_Spectre_01 said:
@ahan0306 I'd argue anime like Frieren uses more flashbacks and it has like what? 28 episodes? That breaks the immersion even more than Demon Slayer. Take for example, the Frieren vs Aura fight.

nawh frieren flashback was perfect imo. their fight with aura was not intense as demon slayer, so the flashback to me doesn't break the immersion. plus the flashbacks in frieren revealed more lore than shinobu fight. plus u are comparing seasonal anime with movie anime, even if u get bored with it u can stop at the end of episode, but u cant with anime movies

@ahan0306 The alternative in this movie would have been to dump aimless fights after fights. Is that what you want? I won't fault you if that's what you want(since the fights are spectacular lol), but u have to consider the anime is also trying to tell a story in the style it chose

I read somewhere in this thread that you were playing with your phone during the flashbacks. You're probably out of this anime at this point. The series already clarified its story style from a long time. I never would have made it this far

Aug 20, 7:13 PM

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@ahan0306 The alternative in this movie would have been to dump aimless fights after fights. Is that what you want? I won't fault you if that's what you want(since the fights are spectacular lol), but u have to consider the anime is also trying to tell a story in the style it chose

I read somewhere in this thread that you were playing with your phone during the flashbacks. You're probably out of this anime at this point. The series already clarified its story style from a long time. I never would have made it this far

no i never touch my phone during flashback, i fight the urge tho. also my problem is i dont like how they treat the movie like a seasonal anime. it just doesn't work, if u cut it into 7/8 eps i will be totally fine with the flashbacks since i wont get the lore dump in 2.5 hours straight. like i said before, even if i got bored i can just pause or decided not to watch the rest of the eps and then continue watching it again later. i cant do that with the movie tho.

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Aug 20, 9:22 PM

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@ahan0306 The alternative in this movie would have been to dump aimless fights after fights. Is that what you want? I won't fault you if that's what you want(since the fights are spectacular lol), but u have to consider the anime is also trying to tell a story in the style it chose

I read somewhere in this thread that you were playing with your phone during the flashbacks. You're probably out of this anime at this point. The series already clarified its story style from a long time. I never would have made it this far

no i never touch my phone during flashback, i fight the urge tho. also my problem is i dont like how they treat the movie like a seasonal anime. it just doesn't work, if u cut it into 7/8 eps i will be totally fine with the flashbacks since i wont get the lore dump in 2.5 hours straight. like i said before, even if i got bored i can just pause or decided not to watch the rest of the eps and then continue watching it again later. i cant do that with the movie tho.

@ahan0306 ok. In any case, they did an excellent work considering the format they were working with. Understandably not a Mugen train type traditional storytelling this time, so you have to take it for what it is

Aug 20, 9:27 PM

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@ahan0306 ok. In any case, they did an excellent work considering the format they were working with. Understandably not a Mugen train type traditional storytelling this time, so you have to take it for what it is

ok ok fair enough ig

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Watched this on theatre a few days ago. I agree about too much flashback.
I think it feels long because this is a movie format. I personally think it's better if they made it into TV anime format so there's more details and flashback won't feel long in episodic format. But I feel like they squeezed around 8-10ep worth of story into 1 single seating hence it felt long.

Overall, I still like the fight scenes though.

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