 We are supposed to believe Roberto is some kind of pickup artist but there is no way a middle aged, balding guy with no real charisma or looks or money like Roberto could actually bed all those hot women in real life. |
| You genuinely think this is a logical flaw? Roberto was trained in 511 kinderheim to manipulate w/ words, its not that only supposed "good looking" folks can be charismatic. He also has a canonically big pp, so hes good in bed also, no wonder he pulls some baddies in the show sometimes. There's a reason he's Johans right hand man. |
| Joe, he could pull you. |
| cranky because your taste sucks, aren't you? |
| Have you ever seen Sopranos ? Tony Soprano is a bald, fat guy but he gets all the women because of the way he presents himself. You need to have a lot of confidence and charisma to get into the good books of women. Looks are secondary and can be compensated. |
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| 😂😂 also this is Germany in the 80s/90s i think those women had lower standards of whats attractive |
Reply to Volkose
There is an expression: "women love with their ears." This guy has the aura of an alpha male, not to mention the fact that he has money. Life experience shows that such guys are really popular with girls, and charisma means more than appearance.
| @Volkose So, you are one of those zoomers who actually beleive alpja male bs. Abd lol at "life experience" coming from a boy who was probably born in the early 2000s. Figures. |
Reply to assignedgengar
Joe, he could pull you.
| @assignedgengar And he can pull your mom, what's your point? |
Reply to SabreDrago
Have you ever seen Sopranos ? Tony Soprano is a bald, fat guy but he gets all the women because of the way he presents himself. You need to have a lot of confidence and charisma to get into the good books of women. Looks are secondary and can be compensated.
| @SabreDrago Tony does not reakky get "all women", most of the women he gets are either get together with him because of his money or the power he represents and majority of those women were either psyhologically damaged or simple minded tbh. |
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@SabreDrago
Tony does not reakky get "all women", most of the women he gets are either get together with him because of his money or the power he represents and majority of those women were either psyhologically damaged or simple minded tbh.
Tony does not reakky get "all women", most of the women he gets are either get together with him because of his money or the power he represents and majority of those women were either psyhologically damaged or simple minded tbh.
| @JoeChip Yes money does play a role in it but it's the confidence that he exudes as the boss of the mafia family that does most of the heavy lifting. He is very charismatic person and as the boss, very powerful and that's what women like there most. |
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| @JoeChip He sure could have. My point is: You're missing everything about his character. As the audience, we have a degree of omniscience that people within the world of the story don't. That's what lets you see the things that are so despicable or unappealing about him. Without that, he'd charm you as easily as melting butter. |
| cranky because your taste sucks, aren't you? |
Reply to vinnywizanime
You genuinely think this is a logical flaw? Roberto was trained in 511 kinderheim to manipulate w/ words, its not that only supposed "good looking" folks can be charismatic. He also has a canonically big pp, so hes good in bed also, no wonder he pulls some baddies in the show sometimes. There's a reason he's Johans right hand man.
| @vinnywizanime I don't think you get what Kinderheim 511 was really about at all, no wonder you wrote its name wrong , it was never a place "where people were trained to manipulate w/ words" as you say, did you even watch the show? Kinderheim 511 has got nothing to do with training people to become manipulation masters . Johan is an exception, not the rule. Here are some quotes from TVtropes of Monster; "Many of the Kinderheim 511 alumni became murderers largely because they were abused and tortured by ex-Nazis and communists molding them into child soldiers." "Kinderheim 511 was trying to create emotionless, vicious, Super Soldiers who would kill without qualms." Some more info about what Kinderheim 511 was really about https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Kinderheim_511 |
JoeChipJul 3, 12:14 PM
SabreDrago said: @JoeChip Yes money does play a role in it but it's the confidence that he exudes as the boss of the mafia family that does most of the heavy lifting. He is very charismatic person and as the boss, very powerful and that's what women like there most. Why y'all forgetting Roberto is literally trained to be manipulative as he's from Kinderheim, he has that natural Rizz, regardless of anyones opinion on his appearance. Forum poster really believes this to be the "biggest logical flaw", its very obv not one, let alone the biggest "flaw". |
Reply to vinnywizanime
SabreDrago said:
@JoeChip Yes money does play a role in it but it's the confidence that he exudes as the boss of the mafia family that does most of the heavy lifting. He is very charismatic person and as the boss, very powerful and that's what women like there most.
@JoeChip Yes money does play a role in it but it's the confidence that he exudes as the boss of the mafia family that does most of the heavy lifting. He is very charismatic person and as the boss, very powerful and that's what women like there most.
Why y'all forgetting Roberto is literally trained to be manipulative as he's from Kinderheim, he has that natural Rizz, regardless of anyones opinion on his appearance. Forum poster really believes this to be the "biggest logical flaw", its very obv not one, let alone the biggest "flaw".
| @vinnywizanime I was talking about Tony Soprano. |
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SabreDrago said:
@JoeChip Yes money does play a role in it but it's the confidence that he exudes as the boss of the mafia family that does most of the heavy lifting. He is very charismatic person and as the boss, very powerful and that's what women like there most.
@JoeChip Yes money does play a role in it but it's the confidence that he exudes as the boss of the mafia family that does most of the heavy lifting. He is very charismatic person and as the boss, very powerful and that's what women like there most.
Why y'all forgetting Roberto is literally trained to be manipulative as he's from Kinderheim, he has that natural Rizz, regardless of anyones opinion on his appearance. Forum poster really believes this to be the "biggest logical flaw", its very obv not one, let alone the biggest "flaw".
vinnywizanime said: Why y'all forgetting Roberto is literally trained to be manipulative as he's from Kinderheim As I explained in my previoıs post, there is no such thing, other than in your head-canon that is. |
JoeChip said: @vinnywizanime I don't think you get what Kinderheim 511 was really about at all, no wonder you wrote its name wrong , it was never a place "where people were trained to manipulate w/ words" as you say, did you even watch the show? Kinderheim 511 has got nothing to do with training people to become manipulation masters . Johan is an exception, not the rule. Here are some quotes from TVtropes of Monster; "Many of the Kinderheim 511 alumni became murderers largely because they were abused and tortured by ex-Nazis and communists molding them into child soldiers." "Kinderheim 511 was trying to create emotionless, vicious, Super Soldiers who would kill without qualms." Some more info about what Kinderheim 511 was really about https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Kinderheim_511 Heres a quote from "Another Monster" the sequel Novel- "But the activities at Kinderheim 511 were even more dangerous. They were taught that the greatest weapon one can wield against another person is not guns or strength, but words. They were trained to be specialists in manipulation... no, trained to be leaders. I think that what happened there was a game of survival, where words could kill... and those who lost were internally destroyed..." So, this should answer your inadequate question and its also said in the series, youre the one who asks me to watch the show? Bruhh, hilarious. Roberto was In Kinderheim 511, where they were trained manipulators besides all other stuff = Roberto is very skilled w/ words, hence him pulling girls, enraging Lunge and all that. There is no room for debate here. Your question has a big logical flaw as it ignores what the series says altogether. |
Oh nevermind, but i was also responding to the other points made here by all specifically the one who wrote this question. |
Reply to vinnywizanime
JoeChip said:
@vinnywizanime
I don't think you get what Kinderheim 511 was really about at all, no wonder you wrote its name wrong , it was never a place "where people were trained to manipulate w/ words" as you say, did you even watch the show?
Kinderheim 511 has got nothing to do with training people to become manipulation masters . Johan is an exception, not the rule.
Here are some quotes from TVtropes of Monster;
"Many of the Kinderheim 511 alumni became murderers largely because they were abused and tortured by ex-Nazis and communists molding them into child soldiers."
"Kinderheim 511 was trying to create emotionless, vicious, Super Soldiers who would kill without qualms."
Some more info about what Kinderheim 511 was really about https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Kinderheim_511
@vinnywizanime
I don't think you get what Kinderheim 511 was really about at all, no wonder you wrote its name wrong , it was never a place "where people were trained to manipulate w/ words" as you say, did you even watch the show?
Kinderheim 511 has got nothing to do with training people to become manipulation masters . Johan is an exception, not the rule.
Here are some quotes from TVtropes of Monster;
"Many of the Kinderheim 511 alumni became murderers largely because they were abused and tortured by ex-Nazis and communists molding them into child soldiers."
"Kinderheim 511 was trying to create emotionless, vicious, Super Soldiers who would kill without qualms."
Some more info about what Kinderheim 511 was really about https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Kinderheim_511
Heres a quote from "Another Monster" the sequel Novel-
"But the activities at Kinderheim 511 were even more dangerous. They were taught that the greatest weapon one can wield against another person is not guns or strength, but words. They were trained to be specialists in manipulation... no, trained to be leaders. I think that what happened there was a game of survival, where words could kill... and those who lost were internally destroyed..."
So, this should answer your inadequate question and its also said in the series, youre the one who asks me to watch the show? Bruhh, hilarious. Roberto was In Kinderheim 511, where they were trained manipulators besides all other stuff = Roberto is very skilled w/ words, hence him pulling girls, enraging Lunge and all that. There is no room for debate here. Your question has a big logical flaw as it ignores what the series says altogether.
| @vinnywizanime Another Monster is an addendum not an original part of the Monster to begin with. besides, I dont remember anyone from Kınderjeim 511 that has become a leader. We dont even know who said that quote. |
JoeChip said: @vinnywizanime Another Monster is an addendum not an original part of the Monster to begin with. besides, I dont remember anyone from Kınderjeim 511 that has become a leader. We dont even know who said that quote. But it is canon and it flat out says what you said to be factually wrong. Pretty sure its in the show as well, they were molding them to be the perfect soldiers, so stop pretending that they werent training them oration skills as well bcz that certainly is important. Especially at the time and place the story unfolds, Hitler was seen as an example of a soldier they were trying to create, who was exceptionally skilled in brainwashing. |
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JoeChip said:
@vinnywizanime
Another Monster is an addendum not an original part of the Monster to begin with. besides, I dont remember anyone from Kınderjeim 511 that has become a leader.
We dont even know who said that quote.
@vinnywizanime
Another Monster is an addendum not an original part of the Monster to begin with. besides, I dont remember anyone from Kınderjeim 511 that has become a leader.
We dont even know who said that quote.
But it is canon and it flat out says what you said to be factually wrong. Pretty sure its in the show as well, they were molding them to be the perfect soldiers, so stop pretending that they werent training them oration skills as well bcz that certainly is important. Especially at the time and place the story unfolds, Hitler was seen as an example of a soldier they were trying to create, who was exceptionally skilled in brainwashing.
| @vinnywizanime I am still very skeptical about the source of that quote., |
Its Chapter 5, Page 48 of the book, you"ll find it online easily for free. The chapter is titled "Kinderheim 511 (May 2001; Berlin)" |
Reply to vinnywizanime
Its Chapter 5, Page 48 of the book, you"ll find it online easily for free. The chapter is titled "Kinderheim 511 (May 2001; Berlin)"
| @vinnywizanime And why don't you just tell who said the quote? |
"Erna Tietze" , She was being interviewed by the investigator about 511 Kinderheim. She was part of the investigation team that 511 Kinderheim formed while she worked for other seperate orphanages at the same time such as where Anna was taken. She's the most reliable source alive to talk about 511 aside from a psychologist jailed in the book and while there are still some secrets, she still knows things that are certain such as the one we argue and you won't let go. Wonder why Kinderheim would think to just skip over Oration skills such as persusasion, manipulation and brainwashing in process of creating perfect soldiers unlike any others 🥱, simple answer is they didnt and actually focused a lot on it. Just let go mate, It was never a debate and one of the worst forum Posts ive ever seen on this page. |
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