Shoji

Otakupervert890 said:
So if I follow you characters should commit suicide because they do mistakes which make more relatable that one dimensional character? No point telling you the end for them you would want to burn the whole world I guess.

Otakupervert890 said:
@quvezy exaggerated? That what you call that. If evety single person who cheated in his life commit suicide then how they can learn to treat people better if they are dead. Dead don't solve anything dying is for those who give up without trying to fix their mistakes. It's not exaggeration what you did it's tribalism since the media portrait thing you don't agree with. Do you know that cheating is more accepted in Japan culture vs the west literally the more popular hentai tag there its NTR. Maybe learn about the different culture of the country you consume thing before going ballistic.

quvezy said:
They deserve each other and should just exit the show

quvezy said:

its not that deep otakupervert

Sasori56483 said:
It is all the Devil king`s fault.
Keep watching, the more you get to know about Hachiko, the more Shouji character actions get justified.

Otakupervert890 said:
@quvezy can you please stop with your moral crusade. It's not all black and white especially in Nana by the end of the series and come tell us what you think of Nana when you will see the end. What Shouji did would look like a saint in comparison.

kou_starz said:
The reason you have a girlfriend is to [...] satisfy sexual pleasures.

LilCheese23 said:
Okay so I hated shouji from that scene on but there are plenty more horrible things that happen. There is one character I hate more than anything. But you have to admit nana is equally at fault because she wouldn’t hang out with shouting or satisfy his needs. Then he went found another girl and defended her when nana was his girlfriend. He cheated yea, but does that make them horrible people no. People are human they make mistakes and I hate to say it but nana is one of my all time favorite anime’s. And I could watch it over and over again. Yes there are bad characters but also really good ones. A lot of the series is the way it is because hachiko is very susceptible to manipulation. If you do not like this one part I do suggest you drop the anime as it does only get worse from here on out.

Sasori56483 said:
@quvezy Basically, what Shouji and Nana did wrong is that they didn't end their relationship when things got cold.
Because Hachiko is a needy person, and she does not care about the person she is in a relationship, just that she is in a relationship. This is the whole axis of Nana x Shouji. It is there in the manga prologue with her falling in love. And she will do worse things again because of this trait.

If you notice, Shouji wants to push her to be more independent, but at same time he does not know how to do it. And she is feeling that as a rejection of them as a pair because he wants her to develop alone.

It shows very well that Nana's needs (codependency and dependency) are being filled by each other. In a way Hachiko x Nana and band, is a betrayal too. This gets way clearer the more you watch.

And that is just with the things that are not spoilering anything you didn't see yet.

kou_starz said:
I understand the frustration you have.
Shouji cheated on Nana and established a relationship with Sachiko without breaking up with Nana. Yes Shouji was despicable.

Despite that, if you look at it from Shouji's perspective, he has requested Nana to hang out on many occasions, where Nana would rather spend time with her room-mate. The reason you have a girlfriend is to hang around, speak to each other and to satisfy sexual pleasures. Nana was not fulfilling those needs of Shouji, so he externally sought out for it and found someone that would satisfy his needs.

I'm not defending Shouji. The moral course of action would have been to have a final talk with Nana to officially break up with her, and then initiate the relationship with Sachiko.

Or maybe Shouji was so tired of Nana constantly denying his requests where he felt disrespected, so no longer viewed Nana as his girlfriend.