The end of Gojo's fight against Sukuna (spoiler alert)

Oct 3, 2023 9:03 AM

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After much debate with strangers on the internet over the last few weeks it seems that not many people agree with the idea that Gojo's death off-camera is disastrous. I think killing your most important character like that wasn't very impressive on Akutami's part. And I mean, obviously Gojo had to die for the plot to advance better but damn, there are better ways to do it. What bothers me the most is that Sukuna was in trouble in 235 and in 236 he suddenly defeated Gojo just because, and that's where I feel there's a lack of explanation about how the situation changed (not about Sukuna's technique, which I do understand. and it doesn't seem forced)

So with that explained, did I miss any details or is it really like at least a chapter or a half is needed? And I know Akutami could explain it in the future but damn, closing the fight like that was horrible.

Oct 3, 2023 9:15 AM

InfiniteZap

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Your right definitely there is a chapter missing. It’s just mind boggling how Gojo was seemingly dominating then out of nowhere bang.

Oct 3, 2023 9:18 AM

Max_Tylor

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Bro gege tweeted on this and he said that he forgot to draw a chapter, so yea I don't know how he done it but when the anime will come out they will add the missing chapter in it till then it will always remain a mystery

Oct 3, 2023 9:23 AM

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Yeah the shift from 235 to 236 was way too sudden. I personally think Gojo should’ve died taking Sukuna out with him in the hollow purple because it’s gonna feel like an asspull now if someone beats the current reincarnated Sukuna

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Oct 3, 2023 9:37 AM

InfiniteZap

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Max_Tylor said:
Bro gege tweeted on this and he said that he forgot to draw a chapter, so yea I don't know how he done it but when the anime will come out they will add the missing chapter in it till then it will always remain a mystery

So your saying that we have to wait till like 2026 💀

Oct 3, 2023 9:43 AM

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How do you forget to draw a chapter? I think Gege is using it as an excuse to try and justify his laziness. Or it truly got lost or forgotten but I don't know.

Oct 3, 2023 10:50 AM

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well i don't really think that he really is ded 💀

Oct 3, 2023 10:58 AM

IamOtaku01

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he said that the break made him feel like he left a chapter. you all seriously think shueisha would let a mangaka skip a chapter. especially one in the mainstream? there would be a recap soon just wait.

Oct 3, 2023 11:01 AM

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that wasn't a tweet lol. he said this for weekly comments section of shonen jump which every author does. And these comments are just random thoughts of the mangaka, sometimes Gege would say something like "smart Gorillas hide their n*pples"
What I'm saying is it's NOT THAT DEEP. He realises that something was missing between 235-36 and he made a joke about it.

Oct 3, 2023 11:11 AM

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I think he might have lost interest in writing this manga or don't hold the same interest anymore but is determined to finish it. Which is why these chapters were lacking the charm old chapters used to have and Gojo's death came out of nowhere. Gege probably had thought about killing Gojo, but at this point he didn't know what would be the best technique in writing his death.

I might be wrong, but it seems like that to me.

Oct 3, 2023 1:52 PM

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UnknownTwinkie said:
How do you forget to draw a chapter? I think Gege is using it as an excuse to try and justify his laziness. Or it truly got lost or forgotten but I don't know.

Im with you on that one LOL

Oct 3, 2023 1:55 PM

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Red_sparkling said:
I think he might have lost interest in writing this manga or don't hold the same interest anymore but is determined to finish it. Which is why these chapters were lacking the charm old chapters used to have and Gojo's death came out of nowhere. Gege probably had thought about killing Gojo, but at this point he didn't know what would be the best technique in writing his death.

I might be wrong, but it seems like that to me.

I’m viewing it the same way. Story wise, it was hinted that Gojo had to die. That being said, Gege’s writing and art give off that they lost interest in the manga. It lacks the quality it started with and feels extremely rushed. “Missing a chapter” definitely further fuels that idea.

Oct 3, 2023 6:46 PM

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"What bothers me the most is that Sukuna was in trouble in 235 and in 236 he suddenly defeated Gojo just because"

This part of the original post leads me to believe that there was a huge misconception about Gojo "winning" at the end of 235, and I firmly believe it stems from the fact that Kusakabe was the one who declared Gojo's victory. You're absolutely right that Sukuna was in trouble for the entire chapter. But realistically speaking (and this isn't intended to be a jab at him), what does Kusakabe know? Hear me out: the characters who were watching the fight on a screen knew just as much as we, the readers, did about what was happening, so how exactly could Kusakabe have known 100% that Gojo was unequivocally victorious? I doubt he knew for an undeniable fact that Sukuna lost; after that Hollow Purple nuke, Kusakabe probably just assumed "yea Gojo totally won." But from their perspective, Gojo probably stood there "victorious" before suddenly falling to the ground, possibly just mere seconds after being declared the winner, dead and cut in half.

Which brings me to my next point, which is Gojo's death being offscreened, which OP brings up. I initially had an issue with that, but the more I really thought about the chapter, I realized that his death most likely happened instantaneously, so what more could have really been shown? If I had to guess, we probably would have seen Sukuna say "Cleave" or something then next page would be a double spread showing Gojo getting split in half. Idk, maybe something like that, but honestly just getting the explanation of how Sukuna pulled it off felt satisfactory enough. Then from that you can form the image of how it happened in your head and realize, yea that moment probably happened before anyone could even blink so what really is there to be shown. Maybe that's what the abrupt transition between 235 and 236 was trying to capture. Who knows, maybe this will be expanded on when the anime gets to this point.

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Oct 3, 2023 9:28 PM

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there's been a lot of good write ups about this and I think there's a sorcery argument for what actually was going on throughout that fight and there's a literary argument for why chapter 236 works narratively.

I'm more intrigued by the narrative side than jujutsu theory crafting so here's my take.

Sukuna fought the fight at a voluntary disadvantage for a reason Gojo didn't grasp (an experiment to see mahoraga adapt to infinity) and then even when Gojo lost his arm he didn't understand what had really happened and set Sukuna up for the perfect killing blow.

All of that meant that the moment we missed was unexpected, confusing, and like a sucker punch to everyone on team Gojo (himself included). Just like all of them, we didn't see the blow coming, and we're just suddenly faced with this new grim reality. Chapter 236 puts the reader through the same roller coaster of emotions that the characters went through - confusion, fear, outrage, disbelief etc. I don't think an "on screen" killing blow would have had quite the same impact or drawn out the same emotions.

If we watched Gojo fall we wouldn't have paid any attention to the airport scene because we'd have been fixated on trying to make sense of what just happened, instead we're sucked into it trying to pull meaning from the conversations, to find a shred of hope in this sudden and horrifying reality, all the while fending off this crushing sense of dread over what we know is coming at the end of the chapter.

I think those panels of Gojo on the ground perfectly capture the moment. Here lies "the strongest", abruptly and brutally ripped down from that pedestal, still almost idyllic and blissful in death. He spent his entire life lonely and searching for someone to truely challenge him and for the first time in his life he was able to give a fight his all. But there's also this bittersweet element to it because in a way Gojo didn't find an equal like he thought he had. In the moment he thought he'd claimed victory he was rudely shown that in fact this opponent was working on an entirely different level and that he hadn't even been able to offer Sukuna that true challenge that he himself had been searching for.

Oct 3, 2023 10:10 PM

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UnknownTwinkie said:
How do you forget to draw a chapter? I think Gege is using it as an excuse to try and justify his laziness. Or it truly got lost or forgotten but I don't know.

There's no way people believe he actually forgot or is lazy. He'll probably reveal it in some flashback later, maybe when (if) Go Jo comes back

Oct 3, 2023 10:11 PM

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gege is a master troll

Oct 4, 2023 12:24 AM

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Atomicdestroyer

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Gege should just make that chapter now and make it 235.5 it’s not too late

Oct 4, 2023 5:54 AM

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thebrentinator24 said:
"What bothers me the most is that Sukuna was in trouble in 235 and in 236 he suddenly defeated Gojo just because"

This part of the original post leads me to believe that there was a huge misconception about Gojo "winning" at the end of 235, and I firmly believe it stems from the fact that Kusakabe was the one who declared Gojo's victory. You're absolutely right that Sukuna was in trouble for the entire chapter. But realistically speaking (and this isn't intended to be a jab at him), what does Kusakabe know? Hear me out: the characters who were watching the fight on a screen knew just as much as we, the readers, did about what was happening, so how exactly could Kusakabe have known 100% that Gojo was unequivocally victorious? I doubt he knew for an undeniable fact that Sukuna lost; after that Hollow Purple nuke, Kusakabe probably just assumed "yea Gojo totally won." But from their perspective, Gojo probably stood there "victorious" before suddenly falling to the ground, possibly just mere seconds after being declared the winner, dead and cut in half.

Which brings me to my next point, which is Gojo's death being offscreened, which OP brings up. I initially had an issue with that, but the more I really thought about the chapter, I realized that his death most likely happened instantaneously, so what more could have really been shown? If I had to guess, we probably would have seen Sukuna say "Cleave" or something then next page would be a double spread showing Gojo getting split in half. Idk, maybe something like that, but honestly just getting the explanation of how Sukuna pulled it off felt satisfactory enough. Then from that you can form the image of how it happened in your head and realize, yea that moment probably happened before anyone could even blink so what really is there to be shown. Maybe that's what the abrupt transition between 235 and 236 was trying to capture. Who knows, maybe this will be expanded on when the anime gets to this point.

There you have a point with Kusakabe assuming Gojo's victory and the fans take it literally, although as I said I was counting on Gojo's defeat. I would say assuming that Gojo was cut off the instant he approached Sukuna on the last page of 235 makes sense but in my experience when readers have to do that kind of thing in a manga, it's usually a sign that something went wrong. And as for the explanation you mentioned, what I would have liked to see is that at least having one or two panels of Sukuna illuminated when discovering the second adaptation or seeing a face of Sukuna with an arrogant smile knowing that he already won, I think that a detail like those would change the feeling a lot.

Oct 5, 2023 4:24 AM

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gotta wait till 2038 for da chapter 💀

Oct 6, 2023 6:07 AM

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So your saying that we have to wait till like 2026 💀

@InfiniteZap that's optimistic.

Oct 7, 2023 4:26 AM

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hertzogs said:

gotta wait till 2038 for da chapter 💀

Nah, if this is true then the chapter will released when the graphic novel is released in paperback. There is no doubt about that

Oct 7, 2023 4:26 AM

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InfiniteZap said:

So your saying that we have to wait till like 2026 💀

Nah, if this is true then it will probably be released when the paperback volume is released.

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