I'm confused

Rip_Lazarus said:
Spoilers I guess for the 236
I'm confused. Gojo says sukuna wasn't trying his all and would have won without ten shadows. But doesn't that contradict the feats displayed in the fight. Gojo outclassed or downright defeated sukuna on 5 separate occasions and mahogara had to save sukuna is 3 of those so he doesn't get packed. I man Sukuna got knocked out and lost in the battle of domains. Sukuna had to 3 v 1 so Gojo wouldn't destroy mahogara and so mahogara could become his(sukuna) blueprint to bypass infinity. So without mahogara giving sukuna the op ability to cut through the world(basically anything I think, maybe reality?? Which is like total bs, cuz he gets that last second as mahogara before dying fully adapts), sukuna would have still have found a way to bypass infinity? How would that work? Gege messed up with the storytelling on this one. Ik gege hates gojo but to completely remove the title of strongest from Gojo in a way that contradicts the story itself is just really bad writing. Does someone know how sukuna would be stronger than gojo rn without ten shadows?

Rip_Lazarus said:
Spoilers I guess for the 236
I'm confused. Gojo says sukuna wasn't trying his all and would have won without ten shadows. But doesn't that contradict the feats displayed in the fight. Gojo outclassed or downright defeated sukuna on 5 separate occasions and mahogara had to save sukuna is 3 of those so he doesn't get packed. I man Sukuna got knocked out and lost in the battle of domains. Sukuna had to 3 v 1 so Gojo wouldn't destroy mahogara and so mahogara could become his(sukuna) blueprint to bypass infinity. So without mahogara giving sukuna the op ability to cut through the world(basically anything I think, maybe reality?? Which is like total bs, cuz he gets that last second as mahogara before dying fully adapts), sukuna would have still have found a way to bypass infinity? How would that work? Gege messed up with the storytelling on this one. Ik gege hates gojo but to completely remove the title of strongest from Gojo in a way that contradicts the story itself is just really bad writing. Does someone know how sukuna would be stronger than gojo rn without ten shadows?

bossunhimeswitch said:

I think Sukuna answers this later when he says he's trying to perfect something. If Sukuna had gone 100% on Gojo then Sukuna wouldn't have gained anything towards that

Balderdash1112 said:
I kinda interpreted it as Gojo saying Sukuna didn’t use his open technique, or yorozu’s gift, and didn’t have heian era form. And the peeps all said Sukuna had a trump card if they jumped in. Although I don’t even think the open fire arrow could do anything against infinity, and I think Sukuna was carried by daddyraga so I rly don’t know how he would win even in his original form with all the fingers. Idk Maybe Sukuna could learn to adapt his technique to bypass infinity without daddyraga, cause he’s like a cursed energy genius and can learn things super fast. But still saying he wasn’t going all out feels like it invalidates Gojo’s effort. Gojo was dog walking Sukuna, and he just got lucky at the end, so it feels rly weird for Gojo to say that Sukuna could beat him without 10S cause he literally won because of it

namesrowan said:
i’m not reading allat but if your confused i completely understand. Geges writing recently has been off, to say the least, he wrote a horrible conclusion to gojos character having gojo happy that he got to go all out and not worried becuase he left all his students to fight sukuna? and having nanami say gojo was only ever into jujutsu sorcery for “the kick of it” even though gojo explains how he’s in it to teach the students and create a better world.

tldr: geges writing isn’t great atm so it’d make a lot of sense if your confused

YMW18 said:

geges writing is at its peak rn wdym.

It just got more complicated and some people cannot comprehend that

namesrowan said:

i said in that original post why it was bad, it’s not at its peak, his peak was shibuya. Right now it’s horrible as he just threw gojos character and everything he stood for down the drain

YMW18 said:

No it didn’t? What did this chapter contradict or do wrong?

YMW18 said:
1. Gojo did not care about his students in that way. He was raising them up for his selfish ideals and motivations of never wanting to be alone again.
2. Gojo has been searching for all of his life since Geto left for an equal or someone stronger. He has wanted to rid himself of the curse of being the strongest and Sukuna did it. Hence why he shows such respect to Sukuna. “The one to teach you about love is…”
3. what nanami says isn’t always fact. Nanami also directly compares Gojo and Mahito early on in terms of how similar their personalities are. However it has been shown time and time again Gojo is a selfish individual who did almost everything he’s ever done for his own sake. Especially ever since Geto left.


lets talk further on Twitter if u wanna, this app sucks @kashimoCT

also CG>>>>>Shibuya

namesrowan said:

i lowk am not invested enough to take this whole thing to twitter cause tbh you kinda got me stumped 🤷‍♂️ 💀

i disagree with your first statement about him not caring about his students in a way that conveys love, and a lot of your points are tied to earlier in the manga and i’m not researched allat 😭

i do agree vaguely with your nanami take though the only thing i think was a little strange was how gojo made no attempt to deny it


edit: also tying back to the start of this thread about geges bad writing i also think it was a little shitty to offscreen gojo and have him in 235 in a good/amazing condition and sukuna on his last legs and then in 236 cutting to gojo just dead

YMW18 said:

Gojo’s jus happy to see his friends again, he did look annoyed/confused when he and haibara said those things tho😭

Gojo’s entire character revolves around “Are you Satoru Gojo because you’re the strongest? or are you the strongest because you’re Satoru Gojo?”, and especially the loneliness that comes with being the strongest

and yeah fair ig, but we did see that very same attack in chapter 234.

namesrowan said:
i’m not reading allat but if your confused i completely understand. Geges writing recently has been off, to say the least, he wrote a horrible conclusion to gojos character having gojo happy that he got to go all out and not worried becuase he left all his students to fight sukuna? and having nanami say gojo was only ever into jujutsu sorcery for “the kick of it” even though gojo explains how he’s in it to teach the students and create a better world.

tldr: geges writing isn’t great atm so it’d make a lot of sense if your confused

namesrowan said:

yeah i mean in my opinion we’re both correct in different subjects i actually think you help change my veiws about some of the different takes 😭

but at the end of the day i’m never forgiving gege for offscreening gojo and effectively skipping a whole chapter 💀

Ricdumb said:

I mean at this point gojo could see it as I’ve taught them enough and they’ve grown enough throughout the shibuya incident and the culling games to a point where he feels he would be okay with leaving them (just an idea don’t dwell on this) as well as it wouldn’t be out of Gojos character to be excited about getting to go all out and fight the strongest, he definitely does get a kick out of it

Confused_100 said:

Actually Sukuna said he couldn’t deal with Gojo’s invulnerability so he needed to learn from mahroga. The problem is that’s called bad writing. Because it contradicts everything said prior with Sukuna not giving everything he got. What was said was true, the hate got the better of Gege and made him want to kill off Gojo without a good explanation. The problem Gege made himself now is Sukuna became the new Gojo, who will win against him after that bad explanation of him can now slice worlds, spaces or existences apart? Literally no1. “Asspulls” is the name of the game now and the next fight will make zero sense

YMW18 said:

Wouldnt say skip a whole chapter but yeah

im sure he has a reason for that though. Other than shock value.

I’m pretty sure I could explain the other things you dislike or question about recent jjk as well ngl

namesrowan said:

honestly i’ve been loving jjk up to the most recent chapter, i still love it don’t get me wrong but this chapter is the only one i’ve ever had strong criticisms about, which kinda makes sense cuase gege killed off one of my favourite characters oat 😭

namesrowan said:

he did definitely get a kick out of it but to say that’s the only reason he does all of this is a little brazy 😭 and i could understand that he might think his students are strong enough but at the same time he lost to sukuna and he’s supposed to be the strongest sorcerer of the modern day jujutsu world

YMW18 said:

Fair ig lol

shit elevated gojo and sukuna for me tho. This one chapter took them from top 10 to top 3 and top 5 respectively for me lol

Amazing conclusion for Gojo

namesrowan said:

i disagree with the amazing conclusion but jjk still in my top 3 regardless

also when i said jjk peaked at shibuya i didn’t mean to say it got worse i just think shibuya was it’s best arc, cg is still a peak arc though 🙏

Ricdumb said:

They’ve been talking up Yuji, he said he’d eat anything to beat Sakuna and he does have basically the same cursed energy as Sakuna which made him more resistant to his techniques (plus we’ve been waiting for Yuji’s mc moment for awhile now) not saying he could 1v1 Sakuna but the students have gotten stronger so if they pulled a Yuji, yuta, maki 3v1 I wouldn’t complain

Ricdumb said:

Saying the next fights will make 0 sense before they are even released isn’t fair to say because you have no idea what gege has planned, if in the past gege had proven to do this time and time again maybe but people have liked geges writing up to this point, it’s unfair that after 1 incident people are now questioning everything

YMW18 said:

Fair ig lol

shit elevated gojo and sukuna for me tho. This one chapter took them from top 10 to top 3 and top 5 respectively for me lol

Amazing conclusion for Gojo

Confused_100 said:

Okay let’s see with the techniques shown to us. Kashimo can dodge a slash that transcends space, and worlds? Like tell me how does that fight make sense with the explanation Gege gave in this chapter? Kashimo should literally lose and die in next chapter if we are talking logic except if Gege pulls another one out of nowhere. He literally wrote himself into a corner with that bad explanation. Literally Sukuna should one shot every character right now if he wanted to with the power explained.

Confused_100 said:

Actually Sukuna said he couldn’t deal with Gojo’s invulnerability so he needed to learn from mahroga. The problem is that’s called bad writing. Because it contradicts everything said prior with Sukuna not giving everything he got. What was said was true, the hate got the better of Gege and made him want to kill off Gojo without a good explanation. The problem Gege made himself now is Sukuna became the new Gojo, who will win against him after that bad explanation of him can now slice worlds, spaces or existences apart? Literally no1. “Asspulls” is the name of the game now and the next fight will make zero sense

Confused_100 said:
Kashimo can dodge a slash that transcends space, and worlds? Like tell me how does that fight make sense with the explanation Gege gave in this chapter?

Ricdumb said:
@Confused_100 When did I praise the chapter? Oh right never. As for asking logical questions you are asking ps. you don't need a comma after space. Sakuna doesn't need to use that attack on Kashimo, Sakuna knows Kashimo is weaker than Gojo and tells him not to disappoint so why would Sakuna use an attack that 1 shot gojo on him? Sakuna knows he can win without it so that's what he will do. The only reason Sakuna would have to use that move again is if he is actually pushed to do so. In that case I'm sure gege has something up his sleeve for that and if in that case its an asspull then you can be upset over it. As I have stated before you are complaining when there is still changes and things that could happen. That would be like complaining watching Thanos getting all the infinity stones and saying well there's nothing that can be done about this when there was still more story to tell. Theoretically Thanos should have never lost but he did.

Ricdumb said:
@Confused_100 Look all we can do is speculate at this point so here is my idea. Yuji was training while they waited for the fight. Yuji also is known to be able to tank Sakuna's ct better because he was once apart of Yuji and they now have similar cursed energy. Yuji has also stated that he is willing to eat anything to beat Sakuna, the cursed wombs, the last finger and whatever else he can get his hands on. These would increase his cursed energy hence making him stronger. Yuji still doesn't have a ct and can develop one still (if I remember correctly gojo mentions at some point that Yuji could learn Sakuna's ct, so this is one option). There is plenty of room for growth when it comes to Yuji. Yuji also doesn't have to 1v1 Sakuna he can team-up with literally anyone or everyone if they so chose. There are a plethora of options when it comes to future chapters hence why I continue to point out that the slash isn't the end all be all of the series.
As for Thanos almost dying to the throw fair point but it was also a surprise attack which would throw anyone into shock and when people are shocked they don't usually do the smartest thing which means that in that moment he might not have made the right choice. This situation could also be done to Sakuna, something surprises him and he ends up making a mistake.
There are a million routes the story could take from here so arguing over things that haven't happened yet seems pointless to me, once again why I say wait for future chapters so you could argue over concrete facts. These were my original points I was making to you that if you want to argue about whether or not the chapter itself was bad is fine but arguing over future chapters is meaningless as you and I have no clue what will happen and gege definitely has more ideas on what could happen in the future because gege understands jujutsu kaisen better than anyone.

Ricdumb said:
@Confused_100 1. He doesn't have to master a ct for it to become useful 2. it wouldn't be all of the sudden as I said before he was training in the time up to the fight and that could be what he was training for (wait and see as I've said over and over) 3. as I said in the previous Yuji can tank Sakuna better than anyone in the series and eating cursed objects that would increase his ce would make him even stronger, I feel like I'm repeating myself a lot here because you can't seem to read everything or just ignore it outright. As for Sakuna wasn't trying his best it was stated by the other students that he wasn't using everything he had before chapter 236 even came out. Taking a statement from the manga 234 "He must be holding back a killer move" "and if we go out he might unleash it" referring to when Yuta was going to go out. same chapter "sakuna cant afford to unload everything he has but gojo can fight unhindered". So the Sakuna wasn't trying his best was revealed before this chapter.

edit: as for this :The slash introduced can cut spaces, worlds and existences. I interprepted this as the target wasn't gojo but the space he was occupying therfore bypassing infinity

Confused_100 said:
1 and 2 are related and wasn’t the point I was making.

Confused_100 said:
I am reading everything you are saying

Ricdumb said:
@Confused_100 you said this "Yuji will now all of a sudden get his ct and not only that, can withstand that slash and master his own ct within this timeframe?" so yes you did make that point, you've now contradicted yourself same as gege (supposedly) and yes 1 and 2 were related but not the same point. As for Yuji being more invulnerable than Gojo never once did I say Yuji was invulnerable this is a term you started using and 2 you can't be more invulnerable as invulnerable means immune to attack which neither are. "can withstand that slash" I will say again Yuji was stated, due to having similar cursed energy to Sakuna, to be able to tank an attack better, tanking an attack is not the same a invulnerable. Stacking on top of Yuji being able to tank Sakuna better than anyone and eating cursed objects increasing his cursed energy would make him even better at tanking Sakuna's attacks which is a point I've already made twice before. clearly not.

Gojo said "plus sakuna didn't even go all out" implying he didn't use everything in his arsenal and "sakuna wasn't able to give it his all" which implies that sakuna couldn't fight the way he wanted because he needed to find a way around infinity. Everything I have said in all of my arguments have been answers to your critisms so its utterly baffling you said that. So i would like to know what page it was stated that Sakuna was not trying.

edit: As for your edit of “he targeted where Gojo was occupying”. Well that’s a contradiction to Gojo’s power as he told Jogo “infinity is everywhere” and the technique was explained as such not as “it occupies only one space”. Infinity can't be in the space that is occupied by a body or thing, infinity is in-between bodies and things

Confused_100 said:

And it’s like you aren’t reading anything I am saying and still repeating the same things because you couldn’t rebuttal what I said. Yuji can’t tank a slash that splits “space” or “worlds”. That would literally make him more than invulnerable. Stronger than that meaning. You aren’t getting my point. And that’s what is “baffling”.

Sukuna not giving it his all is equivalent to not trying. And you literally didn’t answer half my points and criticising me of “not reading”. So now you aren’t being genuine at all because I actually gave valid points or you don’t know how to answer them without contradicting the writing itself shown.

And the body thing, dude did you even understand the word “everywhere” or is the word that hard to understand that you contradicted your own answer.

Rip_Lazarus said:
Spoilers I guess for the 236
I'm confused. Gojo says sukuna wasn't trying his all and would have won without ten shadows. But doesn't that contradict the feats displayed in the fight. Gojo outclassed or downright defeated sukuna on 5 separate occasions and mahogara had to save sukuna is 3 of those so he doesn't get packed. I mean Sukuna got knocked out and lost in the battle of domains. Sukuna had to 3 v 1 so Gojo wouldn't destroy mahogara and so mahogara could become his(sukuna) blueprint to bypass infinity. So without mahogara giving sukuna the op ability to cut through the world(basically anything I think, maybe reality or space itself?? Which is like total bs, cuz he gets that last second as mahogara before dying fully adapts to infinity), sukuna would have still have found a way to bypass infinity? How would that work? Gege messed up with the storytelling on this one. Ik gege hates gojo but to completely remove the title of strongest from Gojo in a way that contradicts the story itself is just really bad writing. Does someone know how sukuna would be stronger than gojo rn without ten shadows?

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