Destiny100 said: Ok so I'm on ep 10 and I'm loving it - this is a great anime so far. A lot of people have said that Johan is the greatest written villain in anime/manga however I have not seen something that makes him worthy of that as of yet - maybe because I'm only on ep 10 and all he is doing rn is killing couples and scaring Tenma and that's pretty much it. Does he become a better villain later on? Just keeping watch bruh its like 74 eps, its really peak and yeah he is the best antagonist of all time ๐ |
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Destiny100 said: Right so Johan is peak. You'll realise it sooner or later. Johan's character is very well executed, in the final episodes of the show the story completes a full circle everything will make more sense including why he is top antagonist.Ok so I'm on ep 10 and I'm loving it - this is a great anime so far. A lot of people have said that Johan is the greatest written villain in anime/manga however I have not seen something that makes him worthy of that as of yet - maybe because I'm only on ep 10 and all he is doing rn is killing couples and scaring Tenma and that's pretty much it. Does he become a better villain later on? |
| I totally don't care about your opinions unless they intersect with mine of course! If you start crying for something of that sort... |
| He's an interesting character but they don't really explain it well how he executes all his plans. So it's average ig |
I love Monogatari Series |
| My favourite antagonist, tho this is something you realise by the time you reach the end. |
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| Best anime antagonist so far i've seen. |
| He’s peak character |
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| My favorite antagonist the guy is just really fun to watch when on screen with his philosophy |
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| he's pretty much all of those. |
aktiwkunn said: bruh you're just brainless monster is 1 of those anime which is close to being called flawless also take an example like the baby and the organization who were trying to get close to johan just like them many did or johan used all of them and money is everything he's the type who'll make other do his works by verbally traumatizing themHe's an interesting character but they don't really explain it well how he executes all his plans. So it's average ig |
| Johann only gets enough screentime from the Schubert arc just wait for it. |
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| Bro its only 10 episodes lmao Chill and watch. I do think he's a little overhyped but still a great villain. |
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shounenempire said: aktiwkunn said: bruh you're just brainless monster is 1 of those anime which is close to being called flawless also take an example like the baby and the organization who were trying to get close to johan just like them many did or johan used all of them and money is everything he's the type who'll make other do his works by verbally traumatizing themHe's an interesting character but they don't really explain it well how he executes all his plans. So it's average ig Let's see who's the brainless one. Just answer my one question. Where did Johan get those poisoned candies in the hospital that he used to kill Tenma's enemies ? |
| I love Monogatari Series |
aktiwkunn said: that's more like the story's fault for not explaining not the character. Besides, you don't need to explain every single thing a character does.He's an interesting character but they don't really explain it well how he executes all his plans. So it's average ig |
aktiwkunn said: first of all its not necessary to explain each and every thing and he might have used some kind of drugs chemical or muscle relaxants which are easily available in the hospital to kill them and you already know he was already quite sneaky enoughshounenempire said: bruh you're just brainless monster is 1 of those anime which is close to being called flawless also take an example like the baby and the organization who were trying to get close to johan just like them many did or johan used all of them and money is everything he's the type who'll make other do his works by verbally traumatizing them Let's see who's the brainless one. Just answer my one question. Where did Johan get those poisoned candies in the hospital that he used to kill Tenma's enemies ? |
| There are still a lot of episodes left, have patience. |
| One of my favourite anime antagonists. |
| He’s in my top tier for sure. I’m not good at picking absolute favorites. |
| He's a trash antagonist, show is extremely overrated and I regret wasting my life watching all 74 episodes of it, immense disappointment. |
MetalMoTyrant said: exactly what I thinkJohan fanboys (Monster) - People love him simply to show that they have "good taste" as Monster is a grounded seinen. He wasn't that good of a character and how he does most of his actions are unexplained too. Urasawa wrote a character smarter than himself with Johan and played the "smart and charismatic card" all to often. He really wasn't as good as people tell him to be. Any such character can't be amazing yet people talk about him as if he is the best thing since sliced bread. Johan Liebert is massively, massively overrated. He only achieves anything because the author bends over backwards to give him every possible advantage. |
MetalMoTyrant said: seinen is just another demographic it's got nothing to do with good/bad taste.Johan fanboys (Monster) - People love him simply to show that they have "good taste" as Monster is a grounded seinen. MetalMoTyrant said: prove it.He wasn't that good of a character MetalMoTyrant said: so what if they're unexplained?and how he does most of his actions are unexplained too. MetalMoTyrant said: charisma is one of the least things that's shown about Johan (did we even watch the same Monster tbw?)Urasawa wrote a character smarter than himself with Johan and played the "smart and charismatic card" all to often. MetalMoTyrant said: sorry to say but you're merely claiming that he's "massively overrated" or "wasn't as good" and all without any strong arguments whatsoever. I'm perfectly fine with people criticizing my fav anime but at least be a little more convincing. You too @Reg4shi.He really wasn't as good as people tell him to be. Any such character can't be amazing yet people talk about him as if he is the best thing since sliced bread. Johan Liebert is massively, massively overrated. MetalMoTyrant said: wdym?He only achieves anything because the author bends over backwards to give him every possible advantage. |
TRC_Randy said: are you retarded or something? Nothing about Johan is realistic and neither me or the guy who I'm agreeing with has to explain to you why we think Johan is a bad character, it's just our opinion, grow tf up dudeMetalMoTyrant said: seinen is just another demographic it's got nothing to do with good/bad taste.Johan fanboys (Monster) - People love him simply to show that they have "good taste" as Monster is a grounded seinen. MetalMoTyrant said: prove it.He wasn't that good of a character MetalMoTyrant said: so what if they're unexplained?and how he does most of his actions are unexplained too. MetalMoTyrant said: charisma is one of the least things that's shown about Johan (did we even watch the same Monster tbw?)Urasawa wrote a character smarter than himself with Johan and played the "smart and charismatic card" all to often. MetalMoTyrant said: sorry to say but you're merely claiming that he's "massively overrated" or "wasn't as good" and all without any strong arguments whatsoever. I'm perfectly fine with people criticizing my fav anime but at least be a little more convincing. You too @Reg4shi.He really wasn't as good as people tell him to be. Any such character can't be amazing yet people talk about him as if he is the best thing since sliced bread. Johan Liebert is massively, massively overrated. MetalMoTyrant said: wdym?He only achieves anything because the author bends over backwards to give him every possible advantage. |
| Also the fact that you said Johan doesn't have charisma, shows me you don't understand anything about the show. Johan is one of the most charismatic antagonist ever bruh |
Reg4shi said: no mate, listen. This is not about who's retarded and who's not. You came all the way here making those claims and even calling it "extremely overrated" and "disappointing" which means you DO have basis for it. I'm just asking you to explain it to me. Saying "we don't need to explain it, it's our opinion" is simply escapism. Don't go around criticizing a show and complained when you get scrutinized in return.TRC_Randy said: are you retarded or something? Nothing about Johan is realistic and neither me or the guy who I'm agreeing with has to explain to you why we think Johan is a bad character, it's just our opinion, grow tf up dudeseinen is just another demographic it's got nothing to do with good/bad taste. prove it. so what if they're unexplained? charisma is one of the least things that's shown about Johan (did we even watch the same Monster tbw?) sorry to say but you're merely claiming that he's "massively overrated" or "wasn't as good" and all without any strong arguments whatsoever. I'm perfectly fine with people criticizing my fav anime but at least be a little more convincing. You too @Reg4shi. wdym? "Nothing about Johan is realistic" so what? Grow up mate. Stop acting like an elitist. Reg4shi said: quote me where i said "Johan doesn't have charisma" or it's you who don't how to read let alone understanding it.Also the fact that you said Johan doesn't have charisma, shows me you don't understand anything about the show. Johan is one of the most charismatic antagonist ever bruh |
TRC_Randy said: "charisma is one of the least things that's shown about Johan (did we even watch the same Monster tbw?)" it's shown every time Johan is shown. I never said Johan is disappointing or overrated, the other person did, ironicly, can you read? Tf you saying "escapism" even if I told you in exact detail why I think of Johan as a bad character, nothing will change cuz you're stubborn you don't like when others don't like same thing you do and my opinion is irrelevant anyways. I can critize any show, who's gonna do shit about it lmao it's my opinion and nothing is gonna change it unless I want to change my view on JohanReg4shi said: no mate, listen. This is not about who's retarded and who's not. You came all the way here making those claims and even calling it "extremely overrated" and "disappointing" which means you DO have basis for it. I'm just asking you to explain it to me. Saying "we don't need to explain it, it's our opinion" is simply escapism. Don't go around criticizing a show and complained when you get scrutinized in return.are you retarded or something? Nothing about Johan is realistic and neither me or the guy who I'm agreeing with has to explain to you why we think Johan is a bad character, it's just our opinion, grow tf up dude "Nothing about Johan is realistic" so what? Grow up mate. Stop acting like an elitist. Reg4shi said: quote me where i said "Johan doesn't have charisma" or it's you who don't how to read let alone understanding it.Also the fact that you said Johan doesn't have charisma, shows me you don't understand anything about the show. Johan is one of the most charismatic antagonist ever bruh |
Reg4shi said: that's not "Johan doesn't have charisma" you accused me of saying that not the quote above. Try again."charisma is one of the least things that's shown about Johan (did we even watch the same Monster tbw?)" Reg4shi said: i didn't mean Johan, i meant Monster and you DID say thatit's shown every time Johan is shown. I never said Johan is disappointing or overrated, Reg4shi said: and in regards to Johan, instead of using those words you outright called him "trash" which is pretty much the same thing if not worse.He's a trash antagonist, show is extremely overrated and I regret wasting my life watching all 74 episodes of it, immense disappointment. Reg4shi said: no, stop playing with "even if"s. Just do it. Tell me the details.the other person did, ironicly, can you read? Tf you saying "escapism" even if I told you in exact detail why I think of Johan as a bad character, nothing will change cuz you're stubborn Reg4shi said: opinion is opinion. True/false is another thing. If your opinion is true then it IS relevant and that's what i'm finding out. Everyone has the right to opinion. I'm just looking for the best. That's it.you don't like when others don't like same thing you do and my opinion is irrelevant anyways. Reg4shi said: sorry to say this but that's kind of narrow minded mate. Be more open.I can critize any show, who's gonna do shit about it lmao it's my opinion and nothing is gonna change it unless I want to change my view on Johan |
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