Second half of ep. 9

Sep 1, 2021 8:22 PM

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both halves of the episode are totally opposite but have Elma's point of view in common, that is, in the first half she strives for the company, and worries about what Tohru thinks of her for losing Kanna, Shouta and Saikawa, while both in the other half let out his feelings towards Tohru. that's the reason for the whole episode, how Elma feels.

idk I think that's the reason

Sep 1, 2021 9:06 PM

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I started to rewatch the first season and I've got to say, the pacing in this one is just kind of bad. This was my favorite episode so far, but you're right to find it odd. This season isn't doing a good job of making its episodes feel cohesive. I don't know what Yasuhiro Takemoto had that Tatsuya Ishihara doesn't, but he sure did have it. The first season really isn't a very faithful adaptation of the manga, in a way, and I think that's a strength. It had its own voice and vision detached from the original. This season feels more like it doesn't know exactly what it wants to be, and things seem more disjointed. Not bad, but not as good as season one by a long shot.

Sep 1, 2021 10:57 PM

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Ilay_ux said:
My first time ever making a comment here, sorry if there's any forum rules I'm breaking.
so anyways, I just finished this ep and well,

I loved the 2nd half of this episode, it was so crisp and very heartfelt. but I feel like KyoAni misplaced the fight? i think? how come they decided to place that fight after a very timid, slife of life segment that had nothing to do with Tohru and Elma's conflict right after? was it like this in the manga chapterwise? I was VERY confused as to why they were fighting, and why Elma suddenly just felt that way right after picknicking with the kids. I feel like this would've been better if this fight happened a few episodes ago, shortly after the build up we had with their backstories n stuff.

Don't get me wrong, I still loved the entire ep. but the fight ended up feeling very random to me because of it's placement in the episode. am I the only one that feels this way...? Or am I missing the mark completely lol

it wasn't an excuse, it's a follow-up to the ep 5 story with Elma and Tooru. This fight is in the manga so it's nothing random. the manga chapters are kind of episodic but have continuity.

Sep 1, 2021 10:59 PM

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duskyboris said:
I started to rewatch the first season and I've got to say, the pacing in this one is just kind of bad. This was my favorite episode so far, but you're right to find it odd. This season isn't doing a good job of making its episodes feel cohesive. I don't know what Yasuhiro Takemoto had that Tatsuya Ishihara doesn't, but he sure did have it. The first season really isn't a very faithful adaptation of the manga, in a way, and I think that's a strength. It had its own voice and vision detached from the original. This season feels more like it doesn't know exactly what it wants to be, and things seem more disjointed. Not bad, but not as good as season one by a long shot.

it wasn't an excuse, it's a follow-up to the ep 5 story with Elma and Tooru. This fight is in the manga so it's nothing random. the manga chapters are kind of episodic but have continuity.

Sep 2, 2021 8:20 AM

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Same sentiment, I thought the fight while fucking awesome by its own, it is very jarring to suddenly drop it after the first half of slice and life of cutesies eating food comedy and loli doing loli things, then suddenly the mood changed into something serious.

Pacing is ridiculously bad in this episode, very disjointed throughout the entire episode.

Sep 2, 2021 1:15 PM

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duskyboris said:
I started to rewatch the first season and I've got to say, the pacing in this one is just kind of bad. This was my favorite episode so far, but you're right to find it odd. This season isn't doing a good job of making its episodes feel cohesive. I don't know what Yasuhiro Takemoto had that Tatsuya Ishihara doesn't, but he sure did have it. The first season really isn't a very faithful adaptation of the manga, in a way, and I think that's a strength. It had its own voice and vision detached from the original. This season feels more like it doesn't know exactly what it wants to be, and things seem more disjointed. Not bad, but not as good as season one by a long shot.

I’ve noticed this alot but I don’t see this in a bad sense. I just think Tatsuya Ishihara is alot stronger at producing episodic content (think each skit of Nichijou or the airing order of Haruhi). This series feels more like single moments selected within the lives of these individuals, which in itself is Tatsuya Ishihara’s own voice and vision. Along the lines with the more disjointed feeling of the 2nd season, each scene is much more dynamic and “hits harder” compared to the 1st season which is more mellow subtl6 builds throughout. You could argue that this makes the show too disorganized, but I think this chaos adds a level of quirkiness and refreshes the old formula. We already are introduced the characters, so lets push them to their limit, you could say. I respect the hell out of both styles, and even prefer Tatsuya’s style more, but to discount his style as “missing something” imo does a disservice to his work.

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Sep 2, 2021 1:49 PM

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While watching it, it didn’t feel jarring at all. This season takes a much more episodic tone so I don’t really mind the lack of contuinity. Anyways, I don’t think the tone shift is too abrupt. First of all, the show frames this argument not as a super large fallout of their relationship but just as a natural disagreement in a healthy relationship. The conflict arises as Elma’s kneejerk reaction as she becomes closer to the humans. When she first arrived her only goal was to observe how humans behave (in this ep we learn in detail what that really entailed). She never meant to become close to humans. However, as she starts to realize how close she has grown to Kobayashi and co, it “reopens” the emotional pain she felt that she ignored as a result of Tohru. Basically, as you open up your heart to others, you have to face your own emotions.

Thanks for asking this question though! It made me reevaluate why this dramatic tone shift didn’t bother me like in other anime.

Sep 2, 2021 3:27 PM

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CreateAMate said:

duskyboris said:
I started to rewatch the first season and I've got to say, the pacing in this one is just kind of bad. This was my favorite episode so far, but you're right to find it odd. This season isn't doing a good job of making its episodes feel cohesive. I don't know what Yasuhiro Takemoto had that Tatsuya Ishihara doesn't, but he sure did have it. The first season really isn't a very faithful adaptation of the manga, in a way, and I think that's a strength. It had its own voice and vision detached from the original. This season feels more like it doesn't know exactly what it wants to be, and things seem more disjointed. Not bad, but not as good as season one by a long shot.

I’ve noticed this alot but I don’t see this in a bad sense. I just think Tatsuya Ishihara is alot stronger at producing episodic content (think each skit of Nichijou or the airing order of Haruhi). This series feels more like single moments selected within the lives of these individuals, which in itself is Tatsuya Ishihara’s own voice and vision. Along the lines with the more disjointed feeling of the 2nd season, each scene is much more dynamic and “hits harder” compared to the 1st season which is more mellow subtl6 builds throughout. You could argue that this makes the show too disorganized, but I think this chaos adds a level of quirkiness and refreshes the old formula. We already are introduced the characters, so lets push them to their limit, you could say. I respect the hell out of both styles, and even prefer Tatsuya’s style more, but to discount his style as “missing something” imo does a disservice to his work.

Well, it comes down to taste doesn't it? I'm glad you like it, but I'm not a fan of Tatsuya's style, and for me it is "missing something" when I compare it to Yasuhiro's. I know I'm in a pretty firm minority but I don't care for the anime adaptation of Haruhi Suzumiya, and he directed the two episodes of K-on that I like the least. The chaos and "harder hitting" aspects don't enhance for me, they detract. In my view, the themes of Toru and Elma's relationship would have been better served by a style that was concerned with narrative flow, all the material was there for a good, slow build that culminated in the events of the last half of this episode. But we've got what we've got, and I certainly don't hate it, but I still like season 1 a lot more.

Sep 2, 2021 3:38 PM

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The tonal shift is kind of hard, I agree with that. The episode was meant to develop Elma's vision, so while everything makes sense in a one by one basis, the chaotic good nature of Elma contributes to a tonal change through the realization of her own motivations during the episode. I think that the pauses were enough to give breathing room and connect those parts, but I could see how someone would disagree

Sep 2, 2021 3:46 PM

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[quote=duskyboris message=64293990]

CreateAMate said:

duskyboris said:
I started to rewatch the first season and I've got to say, the pacing in this one is just kind of bad. This was my favorite episode so far, but you're right to find it odd. This season isn't doing a good job of making its episodes feel cohesive. I don't know what Yasuhiro Takemoto had that Tatsuya Ishihara doesn't, but he sure did have it. The first season really isn't a very faithful adaptation of the manga, in a way, and I think that's a strength. It had its own voice and vision detached from the original. This season feels more like it doesn't know exactly what it wants to be, and things seem more disjointed. Not bad, but not as good as season one by a long shot.

I’ve noticed this alot but I don’t see this in a bad sense. I just think Tatsuya Ishihara is alot stronger at producing episodic content (think each skit of Nichijou or the airing order of Haruhi). This series feels more like single moments selected within the lives of these individuals, which in itself is Tatsuya Ishihara’s own voice and vision. Along the lines with the more disjointed feeling of the 2nd season, each scene is much more dynamic and “hits harder” compared to the 1st season which is more mellow subtl6 builds throughout. You could argue that this makes the show too disorganized, but I think this chaos adds a level of quirkiness and refreshes the old formula. We already are introduced the characters, so lets push them to their limit, you could say. I respect the hell out of both styles, and even prefer Tatsuya’s style more, but to discount his style as “missing something” imo does a disservice to his work.

Well, it comes down to taste doesn't it? I'm glad you like it, but I'm not a fan of Tatsuya's style, and for me it is "missing something" when I compare it to Yasuhiro's. I know I'm in a pretty firm minority but I don't care for the anime adaptation of Haruhi Suzumiya, and he directed the two episodes of K-on that I like the least. The chaos and "harder hitting" aspects don't enhance for me, they detract. In my view, the themes of Toru and Elma's relationship would have been better served by a style that was concerned with narrative flow, all the material was there for a good, slow build that culminated in the events of the last half of this episode. But we've got what we've got, and I certainly don't hate it, but I still like season 1 a lot more.[/

duskyboris said:

CreateAMate said:

I’ve noticed this alot but I don’t see this in a bad sense. I just think Tatsuya Ishihara is alot stronger at producing episodic content (think each skit of Nichijou or the airing order of Haruhi). This series feels more like single moments selected within the lives of these individuals, which in itself is Tatsuya Ishihara’s own voice and vision. Along the lines with the more disjointed feeling of the 2nd season, each scene is much more dynamic and “hits harder” compared to the 1st season which is more mellow subtl6 builds throughout. You could argue that this makes the show too disorganized, but I think this chaos adds a level of quirkiness and refreshes the old formula. We already are introduced the characters, so lets push them to their limit, you could say. I respect the hell out of both styles, and even prefer Tatsuya’s style more, but to discount his style as “missing something” imo does a disservice to his work.

Well, it comes down to taste doesn't it? I'm glad you like it, but I'm not a fan of Tatsuya's style, and for me it is "missing something" when I compare it to Yasuhiro's. I know I'm in a pretty firm minority but I don't care for the anime adaptation of Haruhi Suzumiya, and he directed the two episodes of K-on that I like the least. The chaos and "harder hitting" aspects don't enhance for me, they detract. In my view, the themes of Toru and Elma's relationship would have been better served by a style that was concerned with narrative flow, all the material was there for a good, slow build that culminated in the events of the last half of this episode. But we've got what we've got, and I certainly don't hate it, but I still like season 1 a lot more.

Agree to disagree. Thanks for taking the time to voice your opinion.

Sep 2, 2021 4:11 PM

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[quote=CreateAMate message=64294128]

duskyboris said:

CreateAMate said:

I’ve noticed this alot but I don’t see this in a bad sense. I just think Tatsuya Ishihara is alot stronger at producing episodic content (think each skit of Nichijou or the airing order of Haruhi). This series feels more like single moments selected within the lives of these individuals, which in itself is Tatsuya Ishihara’s own voice and vision. Along the lines with the more disjointed feeling of the 2nd season, each scene is much more dynamic and “hits harder” compared to the 1st season which is more mellow subtl6 builds throughout. You could argue that this makes the show too disorganized, but I think this chaos adds a level of quirkiness and refreshes the old formula. We already are introduced the characters, so lets push them to their limit, you could say. I respect the hell out of both styles, and even prefer Tatsuya’s style more, but to discount his style as “missing something” imo does a disservice to his work.

Well, it comes down to taste doesn't it? I'm glad you like it, but I'm not a fan of Tatsuya's style, and for me it is "missing something" when I compare it to Yasuhiro's. I know I'm in a pretty firm minority but I don't care for the anime adaptation of Haruhi Suzumiya, and he directed the two episodes of K-on that I like the least. The chaos and "harder hitting" aspects don't enhance for me, they detract. In my view, the themes of Toru and Elma's relationship would have been better served by a style that was concerned with narrative flow, all the material was there for a good, slow build that culminated in the events of the last half of this episode. But we've got what we've got, and I certainly don't hate it, but I still like season 1 a lot more.[/

duskyboris said:

Well, it comes down to taste doesn't it? I'm glad you like it, but I'm not a fan of Tatsuya's style, and for me it is "missing something" when I compare it to Yasuhiro's. I know I'm in a pretty firm minority but I don't care for the anime adaptation of Haruhi Suzumiya, and he directed the two episodes of K-on that I like the least. The chaos and "harder hitting" aspects don't enhance for me, they detract. In my view, the themes of Toru and Elma's relationship would have been better served by a style that was concerned with narrative flow, all the material was there for a good, slow build that culminated in the events of the last half of this episode. But we've got what we've got, and I certainly don't hate it, but I still like season 1 a lot more.

Agree to disagree. Thanks for taking the time to voice your opinion.

For sure, likewise.

Sep 3, 2021 9:29 AM

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The whole episode was really just centered on Elma and mostly her relationship with Tohru. It didn’t feel out of place at all. Sure the fight had a different tone than the rest of the episode was different, but hit fit the theme perfectly. Overall amazing episode

Sep 3, 2021 1:47 PM

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I can definitely see where you're coming from, but I think there's a few ways you could look at it.

One of them aside from what you had said is that, despite going through their day-to-day lives, still working, laughing, talking, etc., they still carry past feelings/traumas inside of them. Those emotions from before are always present, even if not outwardly shown. After having more occasions of working together with Tooru this season, maybe it all built up inside of her until she couldn't hold it in anymore. At that point, Elma had to confront Tooru and "talk" it out, no matter whether the result would be rejection or making amends. The fact that Faf-kun and Kobayashi were brought along to ref the fight also lends itself to the possibility that they were unsure just how serious the fighting would get if things went south. I've definitely known some people who had those types of seemingly sudden outbursts of emotion (and have had a handful myself), where the only option became laying it all out on the table to figure things out, so perhaps the show is alluding to that aspect of relationships.

But, then again, we had a semi-lewd intermission starring Ilulu, so maybe it's just the style of how the show's often gone about such things; pairing the cutesy mundane with the deeper seriousness.

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