Higehiro: After Being Rejected, I Shaved and Took in a High School Runaway (light novel)
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| I think it will be wholesome but I have only read volume 1 of LN so far. |
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| Yeah Ofc and also this anime is heartwarming. |
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| Yes it's wholesome especially between the main guy and the main teenage girl, nothing questionable since the main guy isn't a bastard. The main guy is a decent man and not a teenage predator so don't worry :) |
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| It sometimes is, and is sometimes not. The show contradicts itself with the way it uses fanservice and possibly implied romance. I am optimistic that is a father-daughter relationship, but if someone called it pedobait, there are some aspects I can’t deny. The dialogue is actually competently written though as he constantly rejects any hint of romantic feelings towards the girl and is still very into an older, adult woman. Also, the show tries to trick the audience into thinking the guy is the nicest guy in the world. He’s not. He’s an average, honest joe who does anything a decent person would and that’s perfectly fine. He hasn’t really developed much as a character, but he puts a lot of thought into his actions by talking with coworkers and going the extra mile by constructively criticizing and also being nice occasionally. The fact I have to defend him as a person is already questionable since it’s not as obvious as it should be, but the few moments that are genuine, are indeed wholesome. Just don’t expect Hinamatsuri or the like. |
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| I feel like it’s gonna be damnn wholesome, Sayu just feels like a character to be protected!!! |
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IshigamiCrisis said: It sometimes is, and is sometimes not. The show contradicts itself with the way it uses fanservice and possibly implied romance. I am optimistic that is a father-daughter relationship, but if someone called it pedobait, there are some aspects I can’t deny. The dialogue is actually competently written though as he constantly rejects any hint of romantic feelings towards the girl and is still very into an older, adult woman. Also, the show tries to trick the audience into thinking the guy is the nicest guy in the world. He’s not. He’s an average, honest joe who does anything a decent person would and that’s perfectly fine. He hasn’t really developed much as a character, but he puts a lot of thought into his actions by talking with coworkers and going the extra mile by constructively criticizing and also being nice occasionally. The fact I have to defend him as a person is already questionable since it’s not as obvious as it should be, but the few moments that are genuine, are indeed wholesome. Just don’t expect Hinamatsuri or the like. " Also, the show tries to trick the audience into thinking the guy is the nicest guy in the world" - Really? He explicitly says that he is not good and just does what a decent average guy should do. "he has not developed as a character" - Yea, duh... there are only 2 episodes there. |
| ‘It may be admitted that if it were possible for us to have so deep an insight into a human's way of thinking, as it shows itself both through inner and outer actions, that every, even the least incentive to these actions and all external occasions which affect them, were so known to us, then his future conduct could be predicted as certainly as the appearance of a solar or a lunar eclipse.’ Critique of Practical Reason, p. 230 of the Rosenkranz. |
| I don't really consider it to be "wholesome" |
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| The core message certainly seems to be. But the delivery is pretty hard hitting. |
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PiyushSan said: Why? That scene delivered what Sayu went through really well. Make sure you skip the first 30 seconds of episode 3. Just pretend that part never existed. |
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| Personally I feel the anime showcases an extremely unhealthy codependent relationship between a minor and an adult. I wouldn't class this as "wholesome" no matter how many upbeat BMGs and teary smiles they throw in. Unless you shut off your brain it's a pretty grim story. |
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MoonStar9 said: Personally I feel the anime showcases an extremely unhealthy codependent relationship between a minor and an adult. I wouldn't class this as "wholesome" no matter how many upbeat BMGs and teary smiles they throw in. Unless you shut off your brain it's a pretty grim story. What about their relationship is codependent? |
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borderliner said: MoonStar9 said: Personally I feel the anime showcases an extremely unhealthy codependent relationship between a minor and an adult. I wouldn't class this as "wholesome" no matter how many upbeat BMGs and teary smiles they throw in. Unless you shut off your brain it's a pretty grim story. What about their relationship is codependent? All of it? Yoshida is a lonely, heartbroken man in his mid-20s who is sheltering a runaway teenage girl with a history of prostituting herself for a roof over her head, in exchange for companionship and self-gratification. |
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MoonStar9 said: All of it? Yoshida is a lonely, heartbroken man in his mid-20s who is sheltering a runaway teenage girl with a history of prostituting herself for a roof over her head, in exchange for companionship and self-gratification. That's complete rubbish. You make Yoshida sound like a wreck. Self-gratification? Isn't that the opposite of codependence (but looking at your previous sentence you clearly have no idea what codependence is) I can tell from your description of her that you're overflowing with compassion for Sayu too. |
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borderliner said: MoonStar9 said: All of it? Yoshida is a lonely, heartbroken man in his mid-20s who is sheltering a runaway teenage girl with a history of prostituting herself for a roof over her head, in exchange for companionship and self-gratification. That's complete rubbish. You make Yoshida sound like a wreck. Self-gratification? Isn't that the opposite of codependence (but looking at your previous sentence you clearly have no idea what codependence is) I can tell from your description of her that you're overflowing with compassion for Sayu too. Self-gratification simply means satisfying your needs, it's not the opposite of codependency. And I wasn't slating Yoshida but think about it. He's a lonely man with unrequited love who is allowing a teenage runaway with a history of prostitution shelter and in exchange she will do the housework and talk with him. Companionship and self-gratification. While there are some gray areas, you aren't considered an adult until the age of 20 in Japan. Yoshida along with all the men who sheltered Sayu, regardless of sexual activity, could be arrested for kidnapping for taking in Sayu and not alerting the police. https://www.streetchildren.org/legal-atlas/map/japan/status-offences/is-it-illegal-for-a-child-to-run-away/ He knows she's extremely vulnerable, she constantly throws herself at him as payment, and he, the adult, doesn't contact the police or any protective services to give the girl the professional help she needs. It's wonderful he fed and sheltered her but not sleeping with an underage homeless girl should be the bare minimum of any decent human being. They are in a very unhealthy relationship that is codependent on each other's needs. |
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MoonStar9 said: borderliner said: That's complete rubbish. You make Yoshida sound like a wreck. Self-gratification? Isn't that the opposite of codependence (but looking at your previous sentence you clearly have no idea what codependence is) I can tell from your description of her that you're overflowing with compassion for Sayu too. Self-gratification simply means satisfying your needs, it's not the opposite of codependency. And I wasn't slating Yoshida but think about it. He's a lonely man with unrequited love who is allowing a teenage runaway with a history of prostitution shelter and in exchange she will do the housework and talk with him. Companionship and self-gratification. While there are some gray areas, you aren't considered an adult until the age of 20 in Japan. Yoshida along with all the men who sheltered Sayu, regardless of sexual activity, could be arrested for kidnapping for taking in Sayu and not alerting the police. https://www.streetchildren.org/legal-atlas/map/japan/status-offences/is-it-illegal-for-a-child-to-run-away/ He knows she's extremely vulnerable, she constantly throws herself at him as payment, and he, the adult, doesn't contact the police or any protective services to give the girl the professional help she needs. It's wonderful he fed and sheltered her but not sleeping with an underage homeless girl should be the bare minimum of any decent human being. They are in a very unhealthy relationship that is codependent on each other's needs. None of your above is evidence of codependence. Caring about someone and benefitting from their company is not codependence. You're casting the central conceit of the show as a fundamental flaw In real life of course he would refer her to social services and in real life children don't solve crimes, have super powers, save the world... And if you want to get real, "professional" child protection services spend most of their time protecting children in their home environment. So... in the context of this show What danger does Yoshida present to Sayu? If Sayu was with someone else how much safer would she be? Do you think Yoshida has Sayu's best interests in mind? Remember just saying "codependence" is the same as saying "pedo". Things are true when they meet certain criteria, not by repetition. |
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MoonStar9 said: He knows she's extremely vulnerable, she constantly throws herself at him as payment, and he, the adult, doesn't contact the police or any protective services to give the girl the professional help she needs. It's wonderful he fed and sheltered her but not sleeping with an underage homeless girl should be the bare minimum of any decent human being. They are in a very unhealthy relationship that is codependent on each other's needs. I somewhat agree, I guess - but then the anime/manga/LN would probably be over after the first episode/chapter. So there's that. This is where fiction plays a role :) |
borderliner said: MoonStar9 said: Self-gratification simply means satisfying your needs, it's not the opposite of codependency. And I wasn't slating Yoshida but think about it. He's a lonely man with unrequited love who is allowing a teenage runaway with a history of prostitution shelter and in exchange she will do the housework and talk with him. Companionship and self-gratification. While there are some gray areas, you aren't considered an adult until the age of 20 in Japan. Yoshida along with all the men who sheltered Sayu, regardless of sexual activity, could be arrested for kidnapping for taking in Sayu and not alerting the police. https://www.streetchildren.org/legal-atlas/map/japan/status-offences/is-it-illegal-for-a-child-to-run-away/ He knows she's extremely vulnerable, she constantly throws herself at him as payment, and he, the adult, doesn't contact the police or any protective services to give the girl the professional help she needs. It's wonderful he fed and sheltered her but not sleeping with an underage homeless girl should be the bare minimum of any decent human being. They are in a very unhealthy relationship that is codependent on each other's needs. None of your above is evidence of codependence. Caring about someone and benefitting from their company is not codependence. This isn't just about caring for someone and benefiting from their company. The carer in this scenario is a lonely bachelor in his mid-20s who has unrequited love for his boss and that "someone" is an underage runaway. Maybe don't overlook the important context and argue in bad faith next time? borderliner said: You're casting the central conceit of the show as a fundamental flaw In real life of course he would refer her to social services and in real life children don't solve crimes, have super powers, save the world... What a ridiculous false equivalency. Firstly, what does the superpower reference in this scenario? Secondly, at no point should the viewer be expected to disregard all reasoning when consuming fiction. It's called suspension of disbelief not disposal of disbelief. Third, the anime incorporates and is lauded for "realism" and the "realistic" portrayal of it's characters. We are never left to wonder how a teenage girl survives on her own, the author shows us she needed to sell herself for shelter. Why is it then that our protagonist has opted not to seek professional help for said runaway teenager? It almost sounds like suspending disbelief only matters to you in defense of Yoshida and nothing else. Lastly, in real life not everyone would call social services. Many would take advantage of the vulnerable girl, as we have seen. What other reason am I to consider for Yoshida not having contacted professionals better equipped to give Sayu the help she deserves than him wanting her around and needing him? borderliner said: And if you want to get real, "professional" child protection services spend most of their time protecting children in their home environment. I don't know how true this is, and even if it was at least she'd be getting professional help which is better than remaining dependent on strangers who may or may not sleep with her for payment. The exact same danger she was in with every other stranger she stayed with. borderliner said: If Sayu was with someone else how much safer would she be? The option shouldn't be between Yoshida and another potential predator, it should be between her brother and child protective services. Those two places are where she'd be safest. borderliner said: Do you think Yoshida has Sayu's best interests in mind? No, I don't. Otherwise he'd have contacted the police or anybody else she might know so she could get some proper help, seek therapy, and begin her journey onto a stable life. borderliner said: Remember just saying "codependence" is the same as saying "pedo". Things are true when they meet certain criteria, not by repetition. What a reach. I never said that, but it's telling you think that's what it means. Subenu said: MoonStar9 said: He knows she's extremely vulnerable, she constantly throws herself at him as payment, and he, the adult, doesn't contact the police or any protective services to give the girl the professional help she needs. It's wonderful he fed and sheltered her but not sleeping with an underage homeless girl should be the bare minimum of any decent human being. They are in a very unhealthy relationship that is codependent on each other's needs. I somewhat agree, I guess - but then the anime/manga/LN would probably be over after the first episode/chapter. So there's that. This is where fiction plays a role :) I appreciate this response. The story has to happen, and that's likely the simplest reason. But because it has to happen and also depending on where the story heads it could suggest underlying motives from the protagonist. And that's something you don't want in your story when it's tackling the subject of vulnerable teenagers. |
MoonStar9Apr 20, 2021 2:29 PM
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| This is not good for me dude... Ofc you guys will love it but not me. |
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| Yes it's very wholesome but this is a drama romance so expect it to be bitter at times too. |
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You're still just spouting rubbish. Why are you trying to pathologize his loneliness? He has workmates he socializes with, he knows how to interact with people, he's not a loner. What is it about him being a bachelor or being in love with his boss that concerns you so deeply? These are context for the unfolding drama not character flaws that he needs Sayu to fix. The central conceit of this show is "what if you met a young girl out on the streets and decided to take her in" Other shows have altogether stupider central conceits and I'm sure you're fine with those but you think that for this show him not turning her in meets your criteria of "At no point should the viewer be expected to disregard all reasoning" Of course the show gives us a simple reason which is that his concern is she'll just end up in another lowlife's bed, and are you not aware of the litany of abuse that children in the care system suffer. So... To Yoshida's mind the safest place for her is with him until he can get her stood on her own two feet and given that he's presented to us as a stable, decent and honest person who are you to disagree with his assessment? But, to negate that fact, you concoct, with no evidence, a state of codependence, you make false assertions that he presents the same risk as everyone else she's stayed with, you also falsely assert that he's a predator despite all the evidence to the contrary, you suggest two places where she would be safest that you know are places she doesn't want to be. All this is predicated on your inability to accept the show's premise that Yoshida does have her best interests in mind because you refuse to accept the show's central conceit. Since you failed to comprehend... Pedo is the idiot chant in other threads, codependence is your idiot chant in this |
borderlinerApr 20, 2021 4:00 PM
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borderliner said: You're still just spouting rubbish. Why are you trying to pathologize his loneliness? He has workmates he socializes with, he knows how to interact with people, he's not a loner. What is it about him being a bachelor or being in love with his boss that concerns you so deeply? These are context for the unfolding drama not character flaws that he needs Sayu to fix. The point I made which seems to have either gone over your head or hit and you just don't want to acknowledge it, is that he wouldn't have taken in Sayu had he a partner living with him. That is the reason the show highlights his unrequited love and loneliness. It's what's stopping him alerting the police, or child protection, or her family, or anyone. Because he wants her around. borderliner said: The central conceit of this show is "what if you met a young girl out on the streets and decided to take her in". *"A young girl who has suffered at the hands of predators and you don't do the most responsible thing as an adult. But hey you didn't sleep with her immediately so you're not lowlife." borderliner said: Other shows have altogether stupider central conceits and I'm sure you're fine with those but you think that for this show him not turning her in meets your criteria of Stop bringing up other shows. Stop deflecting. You don't know how I or anyone else respond to "stupider" plots. This discussion is about a man who could give a runaway minor better help but chooses not to. Acknowledge it. It's IS a flaw. It makes people who use their heads question his intentions. How could you not when the anime is dealing with vulnerable teenagers and predators. borderliner said: "At no point should the viewer be expected to disregard all reasoning" Of course the show gives us a simple reason which is that his concern is she'll just end up in another lowlife's bed, So end that cycle. Give her professional help! A simple solution for a complex problem. If at any point in this series Sayu ends up in Yoshida's bed, he's the same lowlife. He just took the long route. borderliner said: and are you not aware of the litany of abuse that children in the care system suffer. What a thing to concoct. The girl who has already prostituted herself may suffer abuse so better to not contact professionals and leave her without counselling and the chance to get her life back to normal. "She's better with me than with anybody else". The arrogance and exceptionalism is just gross. borderliner said: So... To Yoshida's mind the safest place for her is with him until he can get her stood on her own two feet and given that he's presented to us as a stable, decent and honest person who are you to disagree with his assessment? An adult. That's who I am to disagree with his assessment. This is by far the most moronic thing you've said so far. He is clearly not the safest. Her family doesn't know where she is and how she's survived so far, and Yoshida is liable for kidnapping her. She needs to see a therapist. She needs government support. She needs friends her own age. And especially after her past she needs a relationship with equal power. borderliner said: But, to negate that fact, you concoct, with no evidence, a state of codependence, you make false assertions that he presents the same risk as everyone else she's stayed with, you also falsely assert that he's a predator despite all the evidence to the contrary, you suggest two places where she would be safest that you know are places she doesn't want to be. Stop projecting and whining. I never said he was a predator but she is at the exact same risk as she was with every other person she stayed with before. That is a fact. Whether or not he does it she is still an extremely vulnerable girl and he's a stranger in a position of complete power over her. Get that through your head! She's not safe with him. She's minor and she doesn't have the best judgement, as we have seen. The places she doesn't want to be is the place she needs to be. For her own well-being. I'd love to see you try to stick "this minor didn't want me to call her family or the police" in court. borderliner said: All this is predicated on your inability to accept the show's premise that Yoshida does have her best interests in mind because you refuse to accept the show's central conceit. Bold thing to say after you deflected by concocting some nonsense about predators in social care. He doesn't have her best interest. I've just shown you this. I've given you examples of actions he should take that has her best interest. borderliner said: Since you failed to comprehend... Pedo is the idiot chant in other threads, codependence is your idiot chant in this And this is what it all boils down to, doesn't it? Your refusal to accept that Yoshida's actions do not have Sayu's best interest at heart. Your refusal to accept that she's still in danger. Your refusal to accept that she needs professional help. You're afraid your little romcom has attracted some negative connotations because it involves an adult man and a vulnerable teenage runaway. |
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