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Aug 12, 2017 12:59 PM

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Are you still playing this game until a replacement is found? Because if yes, then it'd be nice if you'd do more than just place a vote. (or at least explain it)

Aug 12, 2017 12:59 PM

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coromandel said:

logic340 said:
@coromandel

you are taking the easy way. So mafia did this to get cred but sits back defeating any credit they could get from it. Does that sound reasonable to you?

Votes can vote all throughout the day. I find it interesting that instead of voting a confirmed scum read you choose to vote for someone you know noting about. Not that you should of had a conf!scum read there anyway but that is besides the point.

You know that is a learned behavior as i am not the only on MS who does it. I will call them lynch fodder instead if that would make you feel better? In general i don't care who people vote for so long as they have defense reasoning with regard for a few special cases. There is no one way to play so it's up to players to actually figure out what someone is doing not just lable it town or scum action or motivated. That is why town has lost so much since i joined MS. It's a big part of the reason i am pro NL D1 because the information that is being gained isn't being used properly and we constantly lose. In regards to Abu i have been able to read him town lately while everyone tries to lynch him for these very reasons. Lucian did it to in TMA so stop please stop.

Really you talked about how you said you wanted to do something and then didn't follow through on that because your RVS is still sitting on Suzune as we speak? You made this easy for me.

unvote:
Vote: coromandel
Stop defending yourself and go catch scum if you are town you are digging a deeper hole with me.

This post makes me angry. >.>

My vote stayed on Suzune because a) I was at work the whole day and didn't have time for this game, and b) she hasn't done anything that would make me think she's town so I haven't changed my vote.

logic340 said:
@coromandel

you are taking the easy way. So mafia did this to get cred but sits back defeating any credit they could get from it. Does that sound reasonable to you?

I didn't say I was scum-reading roz. Again, you're putting words in my mouth.

I just pointed out that after the bait there's usually an analysis that follows. I'm neither scum-reading him atm, nor do I trust him.

How does believing it's a "SCUM" not equate to a scum read.
LOGIC IS SCUM
is this a slip or a claim? What do you make of it?
Like really you said you though he was scum if I add read/lean or whatever you said "he is scum" i am not putting words in your mouth.

Get mad if you want to you said you would do something and didn't do it for whatever the reason it. I don't know you personally i don't know you are at work as you only told me now in a snarky response because this upsets me? Lets play mafia make the most of your posts please.

Logic taking a time out.

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Aug 12, 2017 12:59 PM

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two many 2-votes trains. Are we going to use the twilight option?

I need to re-read

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Aug 12, 2017 1:00 PM

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Nikamara said:

Suzune-chan said:

So you are only for lynching for information rather then lynching for scumminess. What are you hoping to learn from the people you want to lynch?

don't misconstrue.
I'm still of the opinion that rozl is scummy
may be quite stubborn of me to keep my lynch on him even though so many experienced players are saying it's bait.

I am merely suggesting we should consider the whole of the day over one action, and you said that it would give you information I was curious then what you seek to learn from it.

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Aug 12, 2017 1:02 PM

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logic340 said:

Nikamara said:

logic340 said:

Nikamara said:

logic340 said:

roz1roz said:

logic340 said:
Remind me to come back to post #484 later.

@logic340 - go back to post #484

Edit: changed "lost" to "post"

Nikamara said:

RE1031 said:

Nikamara said:

RE1031 said:

Please back up your reads.

felt like you did a lot of deflecting
like asking others why they felt suspicious of you
vs. explaining why you aren't suspicious.
this kind of defensive behaviour makes me suspicious of you.

as for roz, he claimed his first post was bait for analysis, but never did any analysis until people called him out.

suzune seems open to debate, trying to weigh the two sides of every issue. it gave me a better impression of her.

EDIT: changed "his out" to "him out"

I'm not sure what you mean by the bold... Are you saying I did one but not the other? Because I've definitely done both. And what do you mean by deflecting?
I'd say I am defensive - but as town. Reads on myself are some of the most telling since my own alignment is the one I'm most sure of. Scum have targeted me in the past, so I'm not going to sit back and let them get away with a read they can't back up.
I agree about roz, but he made a rather good post about Abu.

his post on abu is good, but it changes nothing for me.
I'll keep my vote on him no matter what this phase because I think we'll gather the most information from his lynch depending on how he flips.

furthermore, it could have just been him making an easy case to seem like a productive townie and then scram. Or, throw his scum bro under the bus to win town cred.

How did you make this determination? Why is keeping your vote in one place revealing of any kind of information or are you expecting others to do the work here?

Is there any side other than scum that you can attribute this to? Humor me lets say he flips town then what you think we will have gained from this?

Nikamara said:

Labs said:

Nikamara said:
wow 4 different votes already. O.O
@Coelestin how often can you change votes?

Completely new? .... or

different GM on the site I've been playing on have different rules on voting
some say only one change is allowed
others no change
and some change as much as you like.
I just asked to be sure.

Now who is trying to pocket who? It would be you that pulled me up on this. I like that you are staying on top and not shying away.

The bolded were my thoughts when I saw this post but I kept them to myself because I didn't want to disturb the natural flow of things or pepper a newer player with a ton of questions as they caught up. Also I noted that something I said there is something I generally look for scum to do with newer players (but push harder). So I wanted to wait and see if anyone would jump. Not sure if that is telling or not for other players but time will tell. I think 486 quoted above explains some of it but I would like answers to this regardless. @Nikamara can you answer the questions in the bolded.

if roz flips town
you can deduce who swept in for an easy lynch, but were wishy washy about it because they know he'd flip scum.
if he flips scum, you can look at who defended him.

I just feel that so far much of the discussion has been centered around him one way or another. to get to the bottom of things, lynching him this phase makes the most sense to me.

This can be said of any lynch what make roz a better lynch candidate today than say someone like me?
There has been a lot of discussion about yurking who is currently leading the vote count. Abu and myself. Why are none of these better options than roz?

yurkin has been a lurker from what I can see. There are no real points of contention I have to go on. i don't know their meta. so this lynch doesn't help me.

abu is an enigma. there is more to go on than yurkin. but far less to go on than rozl.

as for you you've been interacting with everyone. if you flip town we lean next to nothing. if you flip scum, it would rather difficult to single out any allies.

My flip would likely provide the most information due to all my interactions and posts.
If i am town you can look at who scum read me and why. Vice versa for town and neutrals.
I have so many posts that everyone should have a view on me one way or the other.
If i am scum you have a wealth of interactions with which to catch my teammates.
That just being real about it.

my opinion is different
that would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack

Aug 12, 2017 1:02 PM

#756

roz1roz

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@Coelestin - what happens on 4-way tie?

Aug 12, 2017 1:03 PM

#757

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We should take a vote for Twilight who wants to push for it and who doesn't.

Logic votes for twilight.
roz1roz obviously is cool with it
I assume Suzune and Ruu do as well

Place votes and sate who you would like to see go. I believe it can be more than two people if I am understanding this right.
Triple threat match Togs/yurkin/coromandel

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Aug 12, 2017 1:04 PM

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logic340 said:

coromandel said:

logic340 said:
@coromandel

I thought it was contradictory - usually when you bait people, you use their reactions to read and analyze them. He baited them, then basically said "now it's up to you to come to conclusions, you know each other better than I do". I thought that was a little strange.

you are taking the easy way. So mafia did this to get cred but sits back defeating any credit they could get from it. Does that sound reasonable to you?

As I said in this post already, I would never vote for confirmed scum, it's a total waste of time. Better vote for someone else. Confirmed scum can still be lynched in the end, but don't need to be voted for during the day.

Votes can vote all throughout the day. I find it interesting that instead of voting a confirmed scum read you choose to vote for someone you know noting about. Not that you should of had a conf!scum read there anyway but that is besides the point.

Also, [general rant] I dislike how you categorize people into LHF and then tell people they can't or shouldn't vote for them. I agree with roz here (he said this somewhere) - everyone should be treated the same way. If I see someone do something scummy, I call them out. I won't avoid Abu just because you see him as a LHF. It's these players who often aren't noticed when scum, because everyone let's them - "that's their style". I won't make that mistake.

You know that is a learned behavior as i am not the only on MS who does it. I will call them lynch fodder instead if that would make you feel better? In general i don't care who people vote for so long as they have defense reasoning with regard for a few special cases. There is no one way to play so it's up to players to actually figure out what someone is doing not just lable it town or scum action or motivated. That is why town has lost so much since i joined MS. It's a big part of the reason i am pro NL D1 because the information that is being gained isn't being used properly and we constantly lose. In regards to Abu i have been able to read him town lately while everyone tries to lynch him for these very reasons. Lucian did it to in TMA so stop please stop.

Huh? I thought this post was titled "your thoughts" on me?
You're just re-iterating what I said here.

Really you talked about how you said you wanted to do something and then didn't follow through on that because your RVS is still sitting on Suzune as we speak? You made this easy for me.

unvote:
Vote: coromandel
Stop defending yourself and go catch scum if you are town you are digging a deeper hole with me.

This post makes me angry. >.>

My vote stayed on Suzune because a) I was at work the whole day and didn't have time for this game, and b) she hasn't done anything that would make me think she's town so I haven't changed my vote.

I didn't say I was scum-reading roz. Again, you're putting words in my mouth.

I just pointed out that after the bait there's usually an analysis that follows. I'm neither scum-reading him atm, nor do I trust him.

How does believing it's a "SCUM" not equate to a scum read.
LOGIC IS SCUM
is this a slip or a claim? What do you make of it?
Like really you said you though he was scum if I add read/lean or whatever you said "he is scum" i am not putting words in your mouth.

Get mad if you want to you said you would do something and didn't do it for whatever the reason it. I don't know you personally i don't know you are at work as you only told me now in a snarky response because this upsets me? Lets play mafia make the most of your posts please.

Logic taking a time out.

Sorry, but I get the impression that you're partly using the fact that I wasn't here for almost a day against me. "You haven't done anything", well because I wasn't here.
I'm just now catching up.

How does believing it's a "SCUM" not equate to a scum read.
LOGIC IS SCUM
is this a slip or a claim? What do you make of it?
Like really you said you though he was scum if I add read/lean or whatever you said "he is scum" i am not putting words in your mouth.

I don't remember literally calling him "scum". Where was that? >.>

Aug 12, 2017 1:05 PM

#759

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Nikamara said:

logic340 said:

Nikamara said:

logic340 said:

Nikamara said:

logic340 said:

roz1roz said:

logic340 said:
Remind me to come back to post #484 later.

@logic340 - go back to post #484

Edit: changed "lost" to "post"

Nikamara said:

RE1031 said:

Nikamara said:

RE1031 said:

Please back up your reads.

felt like you did a lot of deflecting
like asking others why they felt suspicious of you
vs. explaining why you aren't suspicious.
this kind of defensive behaviour makes me suspicious of you.

as for roz, he claimed his first post was bait for analysis, but never did any analysis until people called him out.

suzune seems open to debate, trying to weigh the two sides of every issue. it gave me a better impression of her.

EDIT: changed "his out" to "him out"

I'm not sure what you mean by the bold... Are you saying I did one but not the other? Because I've definitely done both. And what do you mean by deflecting?
I'd say I am defensive - but as town. Reads on myself are some of the most telling since my own alignment is the one I'm most sure of. Scum have targeted me in the past, so I'm not going to sit back and let them get away with a read they can't back up.
I agree about roz, but he made a rather good post about Abu.

his post on abu is good, but it changes nothing for me.
I'll keep my vote on him no matter what this phase because I think we'll gather the most information from his lynch depending on how he flips.

furthermore, it could have just been him making an easy case to seem like a productive townie and then scram. Or, throw his scum bro under the bus to win town cred.

How did you make this determination? Why is keeping your vote in one place revealing of any kind of information or are you expecting others to do the work here?

Is there any side other than scum that you can attribute this to? Humor me lets say he flips town then what you think we will have gained from this?

Nikamara said:

Labs said:

Nikamara said:
wow 4 different votes already. O.O
@Coelestin how often can you change votes?

Completely new? .... or

different GM on the site I've been playing on have different rules on voting
some say only one change is allowed
others no change
and some change as much as you like.
I just asked to be sure.

Now who is trying to pocket who? It would be you that pulled me up on this. I like that you are staying on top and not shying away.

The bolded were my thoughts when I saw this post but I kept them to myself because I didn't want to disturb the natural flow of things or pepper a newer player with a ton of questions as they caught up. Also I noted that something I said there is something I generally look for scum to do with newer players (but push harder). So I wanted to wait and see if anyone would jump. Not sure if that is telling or not for other players but time will tell. I think 486 quoted above explains some of it but I would like answers to this regardless. @Nikamara can you answer the questions in the bolded.

if roz flips town
you can deduce who swept in for an easy lynch, but were wishy washy about it because they know he'd flip scum.
if he flips scum, you can look at who defended him.

I just feel that so far much of the discussion has been centered around him one way or another. to get to the bottom of things, lynching him this phase makes the most sense to me.

This can be said of any lynch what make roz a better lynch candidate today than say someone like me?
There has been a lot of discussion about yurking who is currently leading the vote count. Abu and myself. Why are none of these better options than roz?

yurkin has been a lurker from what I can see. There are no real points of contention I have to go on. i don't know their meta. so this lynch doesn't help me.

abu is an enigma. there is more to go on than yurkin. but far less to go on than rozl.

as for you you've been interacting with everyone. if you flip town we lean next to nothing. if you flip scum, it would rather difficult to single out any allies.

My flip would likely provide the most information due to all my interactions and posts.
If i am town you can look at who scum read me and why. Vice versa for town and neutrals.
I have so many posts that everyone should have a view on me one way or the other.
If i am scum you have a wealth of interactions with which to catch my teammates.
That just being real about it.

my opinion is different
that would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack

What you are proposing is more the needle in the haystack variety but I'll chalk it up to a difference in opinions. Seems like you have a target on him if he flips town be ready because you would be the first place i look honestly.

Like i want to believe this is just new town but the stubbornness is confusing me.

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Aug 12, 2017 1:06 PM

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@coromandel how else can you put it if you say it is a slip and you believed he was mafia for it?
Mafia/anit-town=scum btw

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Aug 12, 2017 1:07 PM

#761

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Also @logic340
you keep saying that I haven't done anything as if that must mean I'm scum.
What has labs done, for example? Not much if I recall correctly.
Not saying he should be lynched today, but why is it you've been going specifically after me and RE, ignoring everyone else?

Aug 12, 2017 1:08 PM

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roz1roz

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"Tied voted between three or more players will result in a randomly chosen lynch."

Some people never learn to read OP.

Aug 12, 2017 1:09 PM

#763

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Logic/coro for twilight
Let's gladiator duel babe you vs me?

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Aug 12, 2017 1:10 PM

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coromandel said:
Also @logic340
you keep saying that I haven't done anything as if that must mean I'm scum.
What has labs done, for example? Not much if I recall correctly.
Not saying he should be lynched today, but why is it you've been going specifically after me and RE, ignoring everyone else?

Actually a lot more than you have if you didn't read over his posts.

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Aug 12, 2017 1:10 PM

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roz1roz said:
"Tied voted between three or more players will result in a randomly chosen lynch."

Some people never learn to read OP.

yup I am a dummy.

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Aug 12, 2017 1:12 PM

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coromandel

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logic340 said:
@coromandel how else can you put it if you say it is a slip and you believed he was mafia for it?
Mafia/anit-town=scum btw

lol x)
You were talking about my earlier read on him..

I'll reply to this again:

logic340 said:
@coromandel

I thought it was contradictory - usually when you bait people, you use their reactions to read and analyze them. He baited them, then basically said "now it's up to you to come to conclusions, you know each other better than I do". I thought that was a little strange.

you are taking the easy way. So mafia did this to get cred but sits back defeating any credit they could get from it. Does that sound reasonable to you?

Roz had already claimed it was bait at that time. BEFORE he announced this I did think he was scum. AFTER his "reveal" my read on him was neutral. I critizied his lack of analysis, but the "newbie scum" suspicion had faded.

Aug 12, 2017 1:13 PM

#767

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hm, it would be odd for Togs to not catch up and I feell ike that in and of itself would be telling that something is off with him.

So if I had to choose from your original I would choose yurkin/coromandel
But if I was making a pairing of my own I would probably chose Coro/RE
-as they might infight and that would give us more information like in an actual gladiator-

Edit: changed for clarity.

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Aug 12, 2017 1:13 PM

#768

logic340

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coromandel said:
I'm scum.
What has labs done, for example? Not much if I recall correctly.
Not saying he should be lynched today, but why is it you've been going specifically after me and RE, ignoring everyone else?

Better question is why have you gone after absolutely no one? Even the person you said you thought was mafia? If that is the card you want to play i hand it right back to you.

Also i was voting yurkin for a good while there, so how did you come to only you and RE?
Ruu has been on the will lynch list as well are you not reading thing?

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Aug 12, 2017 1:17 PM

#769