logic340 said: Sadly just realized this game started on the weekend and he probably wont post until Monday if he isn't replaced first :(Oh god @Labs is here too? He is going to have a ball going over that early shit. I cannot wait to read what he has to say. |
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logic340 said: 1. Honestly probably one of his better entrances. He's a lurker and as scum he doesn't want this attention early. 2. I surely don't think that was done with the intention of gaining town cred otherwise I should be the scummiest? 3. I saw a similar theory earlier and Suzune kind of debunked it. Maybe you will change your mind as you get to know Abu better 4. You nailed Abu's style with the "generic scum play" line but you have to go deeper. I like this as a start to figuring him out though. Still he is LHF to me so I want to see you actually develop this read as the game progresses. 5. This is interesting and something I will pay attention to a little bit closer. Not sure it's a scum tell but interesting none-the-less. 6. Fair enough I can see why you would feel that way. I am not saying he is town just that this isn't indicative of him being scum for me. I personally think Abu has improved a lot as town, so I'm not that willing to give him wriggle room. The fact that he posted the popcorn pic shouldn't be a tell, but to me, it says he was here, he was watching, but he didn't comment. And I feel town!Abu should have more to say. |
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Suzune-chan said: 7/17 in games I have been town. Was night killed early a lot due to being active town that is a thorn in mafia side. Have been living longer since scum!mishu proclaimed that the game died after killing me night 1. That and my play changes depending on my role. It's funny how I catch all the blame yet town is a unit? I can think of plenty of times I caught scum and town was like, "sorry, nope, come again".roz1roz said: Yep, he makes town blocks that get everyone into trouble, asks a lot of questions, and even sometimes gets the job done right~ He's not too shabby Is logic always pocketing, overactive guy who asks too many questions? |
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roz1roz said: There's a game where logic owns 44% of the post count.Is logic always pocketing, overactive guy who asks too many questions? |
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RE1031 said: Are you saying his improvement have moved him away from his meta? While he is getting better he is still LHF Abu that scum love to pick at. You and I both know his alignment becomes quite revealing so long as ask him questions and keep him engaged. logic340 said: 1. Honestly probably one of his better entrances. He's a lurker and as scum he doesn't want this attention early. 2. I surely don't think that was done with the intention of gaining town cred otherwise I should be the scummiest? 3. I saw a similar theory earlier and Suzune kind of debunked it. Maybe you will change your mind as you get to know Abu better 4. You nailed Abu's style with the "generic scum play" line but you have to go deeper. I like this as a start to figuring him out though. Still he is LHF to me so I want to see you actually develop this read as the game progresses. 5. This is interesting and something I will pay attention to a little bit closer. Not sure it's a scum tell but interesting none-the-less. 6. Fair enough I can see why you would feel that way. I am not saying he is town just that this isn't indicative of him being scum for me. I personally think Abu has improved a lot as town, so I'm not that willing to give him wriggle room. The fact that he posted the popcorn pic shouldn't be a tell, but to me, it says he was here, he was watching, but he didn't comment. And I feel town!Abu should have more to say. |
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RE1031 said: logic340 said: 1. Honestly probably one of his better entrances. He's a lurker and as scum he doesn't want this attention early. 2. I surely don't think that was done with the intention of gaining town cred otherwise I should be the scummiest? 3. I saw a similar theory earlier and Suzune kind of debunked it. Maybe you will change your mind as you get to know Abu better 4. You nailed Abu's style with the "generic scum play" line but you have to go deeper. I like this as a start to figuring him out though. Still he is LHF to me so I want to see you actually develop this read as the game progresses. 5. This is interesting and something I will pay attention to a little bit closer. Not sure it's a scum tell but interesting none-the-less. 6. Fair enough I can see why you would feel that way. I am not saying he is town just that this isn't indicative of him being scum for me. I personally think Abu has improved a lot as town, so I'm not that willing to give him wriggle room. The fact that he posted the popcorn pic shouldn't be a tell, but to me, it says he was here, he was watching, but he didn't comment. And I feel town!Abu should have more to say. Sigh, this is so hypocritical of me... But oh well. |
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logic340 said: RE1031 said: Are you saying his improvement have moved him away from his meta? While he is getting better he is still LHF Abu that scum love to pick at. You and I both know his alignment becomes quite revealing so long as ask him questions and keep him engaged. I personally think Abu has improved a lot as town, so I'm not that willing to give him wriggle room. The fact that he posted the popcorn pic shouldn't be a tell, but to me, it says he was here, he was watching, but he didn't comment. And I feel town!Abu should have more to say. Yes. There are tells for town!Abu and I haven't been seeing them. So time really will tell, but you know, guilty until proven innocent. |
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logic340 said: Ruu said: What is your scum read on Abu I am neutral slight town, I wont let a bs lynch go through on him because he is LHF so explain your read well for me. Okay I will place my vote now: vote: yurkin 1) I don't like their neutral involvement in the Roz's situation (the bait and everything that came from it) 2)I want to put some pressure on them. I'm scum reading Yurkin and Abu atm. I will go for yurkin right now because I want to see their reaction and because Abu already has a train on them iirc and I prefer to participate in a counter-train to get some info. I agree with Roz's read on Abu and I still find them neutral leaning scum more than town.My view might change depending on their defense. LHF means easy lynch? If so let me explain why I'm still not convince he could be leaning town... 1) He talks about the possibility of Roz being a "confused townie" but doesn't try to explore that route (in my case I was completely sold on the idea of Roz being mafia , that's why I didn't persuit either and why I pressure him because of it). 2) When I called him out for it he just kept saying he saw it as a possibility but again doesn't do much to work on that theory. 3) He first posted about the "confused townie" and then write another post voting for them. I saw this as scum jumping on the train to not look suspicious but it's also a good way to push a mislynch and have a safe net (their previous post) when Roz flips town. Scum always states both possibilities so they don't get persecuted after the outcome. Like "well I thought, and even talk about, Roz being possible a townie". 4) When Suzu talked about him with me he just made a fluff comment but didn't try to angage in a conversation that could help us get a read on him. Why is that? It was the perfect moment to explain his reasoning better and even get us to lean town with him. 5) He says the game is going to fast; stays in the shadows without trying to create conversation. It was fast for me too but I try to read at my own pace and make questions, reads... he is just posting fluff or nothing at all...like his #271 And the fact that he is an easy lynch is the reason I'm going for yurkin first btw. |
So no while I don't have a town read because it's early and it's Abu I cannot read this as scum, though I can see why other would. I will want to see more than what is being presented before I can say that I would vote her with any of you. edit: yay they all fit |
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roz1roz said: Is logic always pocketing, overactive guy who asks too many questions? yes. Probably 60% of the posts will be from him lol |
roz1roz said: Is logic always pocketing, overactive guy who asks too many questions? also he is usually the one getting pocket not the other way around xD |
Suzune-chan said: Excellent I like this answer. You are sharp that is exactly what I was looking for. I am wary of you too so I have to think of inventive ways to get interesting reads from you. I was hoping you would say something about my tone but this is close enough I guess. logic340 said: I was going to invite you to tea because I wanted a townie to talk to but then had to amend it because I realized you were scum. So are you asking if I think you are townie this game? hm, honestly, I have been watching you very closely because you are too accommodating. So at this current moment I would not invite you to tea. I would probably invite RE because I am on the edge of where I fall on that slot and I would hope to use that time to dissect her.Reminds me of that time Suzune almost invited me for tea. @Suzune-chan if you were able to here would you invite me for tea? |
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| @logic340 all his posts are NAI? for real? also you are only using meta? my first read on them was using meta but my latest one was based on this game alone, I stop using meta to be less bias. Edit: I said votes intead of post xD |
roz1roz said: No lynch for life brother!!!Also no way we are doing no-lynch in no cop game. What would you be waiting for? Alright in all seriousness I take put a lot of stock in a townie life. I would rather no lynch D1 than CFD on a possible mislynch? I am not going to go through my usual spiel as my vote wont be there long just long enough to call attention to this voting option. |
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Ruu said: Again why am i the butt of the joke like i am the only on responsible? I usually don't even live to end of game?roz1roz said: Is logic always pocketing, overactive guy who asks too many questions? also he is usually the one getting pocket not the other way around xD |
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| @roz1roz here is what I do know about logic he is very passionate and his post count is not indicative of his alignment. You need to look at his motive and what he is trying to accomplish? I think looking at it from his point of view the best you can is the way to try and figure him out. Unless you are a tonal reader, his MS top match, or a former host of one of his games. |
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| So the fact he is low hanging fruit and isn't really outside of his town meta means nothing? I am not saying he is town I am saying there isn't enough there for me to confidently vote for him. I am not arguing any of you off this lynch I just don't see clear scum there. |
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| Vote: @Togs One post man it's time we had a chat. |
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RE1031 said: So far of the active players no one really pings me for scum. Going to have to go deeper. Though coro hasn't really left an impression now that I think about it? Outside of her question to roz feeling a bit recycled (you should know what I am getting at) there isn't anything of note that I remember. I guess yurkin would be the next one I am curious about seeing as how she kind of played the back during that whole bait thing. Voting the one post man right now. @logic340 Who are your strongest scumreads? The last one you gave was me, if I recall correctly, and I don't remember anyone else. |
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RE1031 said: Yeah, that is true. My point really was Nikamara's list didn't make sense. If she listed the people who were defending roz, then why wasn't logic on the list? And if she was listing people who reacted towards roz in a certain way, Ruu should have been part of that group. I had the same reasoning as ruu, therefore, I read ruu as town. I don't think an unsure vig shot is the same as the surety of a lynch. Additionally, logic isn't on the list because I hadn't read his posts yet. internet is slow. still catching up on the thread. |
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| @aa-dono - Now that RVS is over can we move that vote to a more productive slot or can you make a case for more people to join you? @Togs - One post man until I see two. Plenty of behavior for you to go over, lets see what you got? Talk to me about Abu when you catch up. @roz1roz @AbuHumaid - I kind of like you so far but it's not enough for me to stick my neck out for you. I know you will be playing catch up so please try to be in the mood to do so. @yurkin - I would say you played the background earlier, though I know you are not all that take charge, there has to be more coming out of you slot. @RE1031 - @Labs - Info dump of at least 5 posts please. Thoughts on the early gambit by roz? @Suzune-chan - If you elaborated on your tonal read of RE for Ruu could you point me to it please? @Nikamara - While you don't ping me for scum, I cannot say you have felt particularly townie to this point. Still waiting on more responses form you. @Ruu - You scum lord you....j/k actually feel ok about you right now. Funny that you question my read on Abu the way you do when my read on you is similar? @lastwhisper31 - get you an extra big cup of coffee and settle in for the night. @coromandel - Why is it you have left no impression on me so far? If someone wanted to lynch you I would say go ahead. @logic340 - You're doing good though they don't town read you fully they don't seem to suspect you that much. You are good for the game just keep doing what you do. |
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Nikamara said: RE1031 said: Yeah, that is true. My point really was Nikamara's list didn't make sense. If she listed the people who were defending roz, then why wasn't logic on the list? And if she was listing people who reacted towards roz in a certain way, Ruu should have been part of that group. I had the same reasoning as ruu, therefore, I read ruu as town. I don't think an unsure vig shot is the same as the surety of a lynch. Additionally, logic isn't on the list because I hadn't read his posts yet. internet is slow. still catching up on the thread. 1. Does this mean that anyone who shares your reasoning is going to get a town read? 2. I think it's close enough that this argument doesn't make sense to me. 3. Have you read them now and what are your thoughts? |
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This would be one of those things to respond to prior to reading the rest of the thread, but since I've read the thread, during my down time at work, I cant go into this pretending to be blind. 11/10 ice breaker if I do say so my self, but you wont be getting any pockets from me (they have holes in them). |
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logic340 said: @Suzune-chan - If you elaborated on your tonal read of RE for Ruu could you point me to it please? I wasn't doing it for Ruu. I was doing it for RE. This post is the current status of it Read Status |
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logic340 said: @roz1roz here is what I do know about logic he is very passionate and his post count is not indicative of his alignment. You need to look at his motive and what he is trying to accomplish? I think looking at it from his point of view the best you can is the way to try and figure him out. Unless you are a tonal reader, his MS top match, or a former host of one of his games. +1 |
Ruu said: logic340 said: What is your scum read on Abu I am neutral slight town, I wont let a bs lynch go through on him because he is LHF so explain your read well for me. LHF means easy lynch? If so let me explain why I'm still not convince he could be leaning town... 1) He talks about the possibility of Roz being a "confused townie" but doesn't try to explore that route (in my case I was completely sold on the idea of Roz being mafia , that's why I didn't persuit either and why I pressure him because of it). 2) When I called him out for it he just kept saying he saw it as a possibility but again doesn't do much to work on that theory. 3) He first posted about the "confused townie" and then write another post voting for them. I saw this as scum jumping on the train to not look suspicious but it's also a good way to push a mislynch and have a safe net (their previous post) when Roz flips town. Scum always states both possibilities so they don't get persecuted after the outcome. Like "well I thought, and even talk about, Roz being possible a townie". 4) When Suzu talked about him with me he just made a fluff comment but didn't try to angage in a conversation that could help us get a read on him. Why is that? It was the perfect moment to explain his reasoning better and even get us to lean town with him. 5) He says the game is going to fast; stays in the shadows without trying to create conversation. It was fast for me too but I try to read at my own pace and make questions, reads... he is just posting fluff or nothing at all...like his #271 And the fact that he is an easy lynch is the reason I'm going for yurkin first btw. 1. You are telling me what typical town play or scum trying to hide would do. This is Abu! 2. That is all I see it as a "possibility". Also I just checked my "Everything Abu" post, he said it could be a possibility and then said it again in response to your question. He didn't keep saying it. If I hadn't seen you do this as town recently I would say you were trying to manipulate things and vote you. Please verify what you say as it could damage someone else while not being true if others wont fact check it. 3. He said it's a possibility he doesn't believe then votes what is wrong here? I am not seeing your issue? Or rather I see you making it more than it should be. Like look at all the assumptions you have to make to make this argument stand up? That alone should tell you it isn't sound, not that he isn't scum but that this doesn't prove it. Again I can say you could possibly be town and vote you because I don't believe it, that is kind of the game of mafia. 4. Again this is the typical town play or scum trying to hide would do. This is Abu I need you to go deeper. 5. Typical Abu he gets scum read for this every game you need better reasoning. |
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logic340 said: 5. Typical Abu he gets scum read for this every game you need better reasoning. I have better reasoning, I have a tell for town!Abu, I will wait to see if he shows it, but if not, he's a very real lynch today. |
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logic340 said: So the fact he is low hanging fruit and isn't really outside of his town meta means nothing? I am not saying he is town I am saying there isn't enough there for me to confidently vote for him. I am not arguing any of you off this lynch I just don't see clear scum there. Do we stop suspecting Chad because he was an easy lynch? No. The same goes for Abu. I'm trying to not let meta get in the way of my reads. That means, not let meta define my read on someone like you are doing right now with him. You are only using meta for your read. Forget he is Abu. If Roz (you don't have meta from them) was making those posts instead of Abu would you consider them NAI too? And again because he is LHF I'm going for my other scum read before lynching Abu. |
lastwhisper31 said: Guess theres no time for an rvs vote :( Any strong reads? Since you read through thread already. |
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lastwhisper31 said: We blew past that shit and I didn't need one either! XDGuess theres no time for an rvs vote :( |
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RE1031 said: Fair enough, I just keep this here for later then. logic340 said: 5. Typical Abu he gets scum read for this every game you need better reasoning. I have better reasoning, I have a tell for town!Abu, I will wait to see if he shows it, but if not, he's a very real lynch today. Self Note: Don't forget to follow-up on this. |
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RE1031 said: Wha gave you that impression or was there a post that I missed? You don't need to read the thread to get the impression that 8 pages in we are out of RVS.lastwhisper31 said: Guess theres no time for an rvs vote :( Any strong reads? Since you read through thread already. |
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Ruu said: Now I feel bad... did we just caught mafia because of a newbie's mistake. I don't want to scare him away.. but well. vote change: roz1roz sorry man. But that's how the game works. You need to dm the host if you have questions. Seems kinda counter productive to the town mindset, to think a guy/girl with 50/100 games off site would make a mistake as fatal as this, and I cant really tell what you were thinking when you wrote this post, I mean I was new to mafia games in general when I joined this club, and even I didnt make a mistake like this (I did throw a game by accident, welp), so why was ur first assumption that it was a mistake and he must be scum, when other possibilities existed, which by how quickly you posted, doesnt really seem like you looked into them. |
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Ruu said: Yes but we stopped lynching him early for no reason. When was the last time he was D1 lynch fodder for you? I am not saying don't suspect him, I don't know why you are making this like I have. I have just refuted your evidence I will look at RE's and think about this town tell as if he doesn't do it doesn't mean he is automatically scum either. You use meta all the time or place a caveat like he is grrr what is wrong with me doing it with Abu?logic340 said: So the fact he is low hanging fruit and isn't really outside of his town meta means nothing? I am not saying he is town I am saying there isn't enough there for me to confidently vote for him. I am not arguing any of you off this lynch I just don't see clear scum there. Do we stop suspecting Chad because he was an easy lynch? No. The same goes for Abu. I'm trying to not let meta get in the way of my reads. That means, not let meta define my read on someone like you are doing right now with him. You are only using meta for your read. Forget he is Abu. If Roz (you don't have meta from them) was making those posts instead of Abu would you consider them NAI too? And again because he is LHF I'm going for my other scum read before lynching Abu. |
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RE1031 said: I read while working, I know the gist of some posts. Im re reading at the moment.lastwhisper31 said: Guess theres no time for an rvs vote :( Any strong reads? Since you read through thread already. |
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lastwhisper31 said: This would be one of those things to respond to prior to reading the rest of the thread, but since I've read the thread, during my down time at work, I cant go into this pretending to be blind. 11/10 ice breaker if I do say so my self, but you wont be getting any pockets from me (they have holes in them). @logic340 lastwhisper says it here. |
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RE1031 said: I know i read it before you posted. What is the point? He still knows it's past RVS what does that mean? Is he scum laying low? Where is this going?lastwhisper31 said: This would be one of those things to respond to prior to reading the rest of the thread, but since I've read the thread, during my down time at work, I cant go into this pretending to be blind. 11/10 ice breaker if I do say so my self, but you wont be getting any pockets from me (they have holes in them). @logic340 lastwhisper says it here. |
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logic340 said: I know i read it before you posted. What is the point? He still knows it's past RVS what does that mean? Is he scum laying low? Where is this going? Oh, I just really want posts from new people. |
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Suzune-chan said: Doesn't really tell me what you picked up on about her tone but I will be patient and let you work. Of all the players I am the most on the fence about where I feel like you stand. I will make a more formal question post for you soon something requires my attention for a minute, but I will start a case on you with the intention of writing you as scum and if your slot ends as town, I will made that the final punch line. I once did this for Soren, I was sure he was scum but by looking through the game realized I was wrong. |
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AbuHumaid said: Ruu said: it could be an ignorant townie mistake but i don't think soNow I feel bad... did we just caught mafia because of a newbie's mistake. I don't want to scare him away.. but well. vote change: roz1roz sorry man. But that's how the game works. You need to dm the host if you have questions. God these are hard to respond to when you are biased already to the actual clarification. But at least Abu is taking initiative |
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logic340 said: Alright this sounds good. @Nikamara I have a nice warm pocket for you over here. I am not currently scum reading you but i would like your thoughts on my defense of roz Do you have a read on Logic? He's one that needs to be sorted early. having read up to this point now I can finally response to this post again, but with more clarity. No, I'm not scum reading you. You clearly have a "rivalry" , if I can call it that, with Ruu. So that makes me think you're likely to oppose her at every turn XD. I'm not sure where to place you really. You're a tough cookie. |
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Ruu said: You're being too generous. The highest is 44%.roz1roz said: Is logic always pocketing, overactive guy who asks too many questions? yes. Probably 60% of the posts will be from him lol |
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RVS vote, then acknowledges the post, and breaks the ice with a joke. So did you believe he was mafia at this point, or were doubting it? |
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Nikamara said: I am a tough cookie and thanks you for that. logic340 said: Alright this sounds good. @Nikamara I have a nice warm pocket for you over here. I am not currently scum reading you but i would like your thoughts on my defense of roz Do you have a read on Logic? He's one that needs to be sorted early. having read up to this point now I can finally response to this post again, but with more clarity. No, I'm not scum reading you. You clearly have a "rivalry" , if I can call it that, with Ruu. So that makes me think you're likely to oppose her at every turn XD. I'm not sure where to place you really. You're a tough cookie. Ruu and i have history from my very first game, to each of our first games in the club, to MS match during Valentines, and then this. So we are well acquainted and pretty good at reading one another. I put a lot of stock in her read on me, though i let her pocket me a few games back so I am not as I once was, I still feel like I can get info that will be useful to others by playing around with her. |
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Ruu said: But but you jumped on the train first, and if you thought that way, its not weird for someone else to also think as you. and this is more meta*, but its not weird for abu to sheep his opinions off the opinion of another, and he does clarify that it could be an ignorant townie, and he chooses to go with the other option.AbuHumaid said: it could be an ignorant townie mistake but i don't think so I found the second mafia guys. Jumping on the train to not look suspicious. Where is everyone btw? Edit: Spelling |
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