Shinichi-Kun said: even with how powerful town is?Kit said: @shinichi-kun @pentaflare how are you sure that jack is town neighborizer and not scum neighborizer? cause never seen the role be scum, actually sounds way to broken be scum aligned role. |
Vote Count 3.Final Qoco: DenjaX, Shinichi-Kun Karote: Jackrito, aa-dono, PentaFlare, Coelestin, Logic340 Logic340: Qoco Pentaflare: Kit, grrr Kit: Sleipnirr Not Voting: Karote What has already transpired Phase Day one! || Vote count 1.1 || 1.2 || 1.3 || 1.4 || 1.5 || 1.6 || 1.7 || 1.8 || 1.9 || 1.10 || 1.11 || 1.12 || 1.13 || 1.14 || 1.15 Night one Day 2 || Vote Count 2.0 || 2.1 || 2.2 || 2.3 || 2.4 || 2.5 || 2.6 || 2.7 || 2.8 || 2.9 || 2.10 || 2.11 Night 2 Day 3 || Vote Count 3.0 || 3.1 || 3.2 || 3.3 || 3.4 || 3.5 || 3.6 || 3.7 || 3.8 || 3.9 || 3.10 If we use this count alone then Qoco penta and kit are all cleared do to placement of votes, which leaves dono and jack. But if dono really is the vigilante ik she would have shot 1 of her suspects by now. And the fact that she wanted to shoot qoco makes me think she is scum, because she risked wasting a shot on a role that could either avoid it or die flipping townie. |
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Kit said: Shinichi-Kun said: even with how powerful town is?cause never seen the role be scum, actually sounds way to broken be scum aligned role. Thats if we believe pentas claim and ur miller claim then yes its powerful enough to be scum aligned. |
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| hmm hmm isoing jack on the parts i didnt read and it's not making me feel better about him Remember when i was getting mad at logic and shinichi for bashing on Ruu's play? looks like Jack was the first one to do that AND he was much harsher about it (to be fair, jack wasn't the only one, seems penta was on her too, but not quite as much as jack) His reactions to certain things, defenses, and just the way he speaks, is reminiscent of his scum games... With my tunnel vision on penta gone (and with more motivation to backread) I feel like I can see the light again... I noticed too that grape and jack very very lightly defended each other 1 2 and otherwise don't really pressure each other in general (actually this is weird for scum jack since he usually busses, but he did vote denja once, and very early so as not to be the last) There's also the fact that I feel his role is a perfect fit for mafia in this game. So, the flavor anime is about mafia or something right? Mafia have to be sneaky and charismatic, and talk to people one on one to convince them of things. You see where I'm going with that? basically a mafia member talks to a non-mafia secretly to influence their thinking. I have not seen the anime, so I can't say if this is correct thinking, though. But with all the power revealed it makes a lot of sense to me. Esp jack of all trades, lightning rod, 3 kinds of backups (2 for joat and 1 for rod). The two scum so far didn't really seem.. OVERLY powerful to me. one roleblocked actions directed to them (but apparently not the bus driver lol) and killed their last voter, and the other was godfather with 1shot rolecop but only for someone who visits you.... either the last mafia is pretty powerful or there's 4 weak mafia consider also that the godfather wasn't called godfather but reverse miller. A real godfather would be the one to do all the talking in secret, right? kind of like the neighborizer. |
Shinichi-Kun said: I'm currently working under the assumption penta is town even if i don't like it.. can you back up the fact that penta pushed hard for a grapefruit or sleipnir lynch at some point?Kit said: even with how powerful town is? Thats if we believe pentas claim and ur miller claim then yes its powerful enough to be scum aligned. |
Shinichi-Kun said: Scum wouldn't have a double kill so Vig is a provable role right? If the game doesn't end with today's lynch she can prove herself during the night. (hopefully by shooting Qoco, Jack, or me) Vote Count 3.Final Qoco: DenjaX, Shinichi-Kun Karote: Jackrito, aa-dono, PentaFlare, Coelestin, Logic340 Logic340: Qoco Pentaflare: Kit, grrr Kit: Sleipnirr Not Voting: Karote What has already transpired Phase Day one! || Vote count 1.1 || 1.2 || 1.3 || 1.4 || 1.5 || 1.6 || 1.7 || 1.8 || 1.9 || 1.10 || 1.11 || 1.12 || 1.13 || 1.14 || 1.15 Night one Day 2 || Vote Count 2.0 || 2.1 || 2.2 || 2.3 || 2.4 || 2.5 || 2.6 || 2.7 || 2.8 || 2.9 || 2.10 || 2.11 Night 2 Day 3 || Vote Count 3.0 || 3.1 || 3.2 || 3.3 || 3.4 || 3.5 || 3.6 || 3.7 || 3.8 || 3.9 || 3.10 If we use this count alone then Qoco penta and kit are all cleared do to placement of votes, which leaves dono and jack. But if dono really is the vigilante ik she would have shot 1 of her suspects by now. And the fact that she wanted to shoot qoco makes me think she is scum, because she risked wasting a shot on a role that could either avoid it or die flipping townie. |
| First. I townread Jack. If he's scum, he doesn't have to go out of his way to determine my alignment since I'm gonna get lynched anyway. Second. He misread me. I told him I wasted a shot and that's why I was frustrated. How he read that I still have my shot is uh~ So no, not provable. Third. I wouldn't vig Ruu. I didn't think she was scum. As you can see from my Day 1 play, I had nothing strong against anyone. I wanted to shoot Coelestin Night 2. I changed my mind last minute since I didn't interact with her enough to actually trust my reads. And I know we're not gonna lynch Qoco. It's just a predictable flow. Since I think he's scum, I decided to shoot him. @Kit Why do you think Penta's town? @PentaFlare exactly the same point I told Jack. There's no way there's 3 cops :P Vote: PentaFlare |
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Jackrito said: How is not taking credit for Sleip's death a town tell?I think I have, may of hosted some with it, let us look at this another way why claim a proveable role and why not take credit for the kill on Slenipnirr no way for Logic to counter them. You can all lynch if you want but I trust them, part of the reason I invited them. |
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Jackrito said: Except that Penta immediately claimed to you.Kit said: @shinichi-kun @pentaflare how are you sure that jack is town neighborizer and not scum neighborizer? They can't be and I made sure to let them know that at the time I don't want to be based just off this role, rather off all factors I get if Coel did, since her role can only clear her. But Penta didn't seem to suspect you one bit when he got invited. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Stop dismissing possible set-up saying it's broken. >,>Kit said: @shinichi-kun @pentaflare how are you sure that jack is town neighborizer and not scum neighborizer? cause never seen the role be scum, actually sounds way to broken be scum aligned role. |
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aa-dono said: @grrrr Did you really not use your protection on Night 3? Because if you didn't, then Shin-chan's supposed to be dead. Even if mafia didn't send in night action, I did. I didnt. Either something else protected him or you are lying. |
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| [b] vote: penta[\b] I dont need fuzzy claims. Some people say you are tracker and i dont buy that. Even less when the claim is fuzzy. |
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grrr said: The only two people that claimed protective role is you and logic. And logic protected Shin-chan Night 2.aa-dono said: @grrrr Did you really not use your protection on Night 3? Because if you didn't, then Shin-chan's supposed to be dead. Even if mafia didn't send in night action, I did. I didnt. Either something else protected him or you are lying. |
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| Someone is lying then >.> |
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Kit said: hmm hmm isoing jack on the parts i didnt read and it's not making me feel better about him Remember when i was getting mad at logic and shinichi for bashing on Ruu's play? looks like Jack was the first one to do that AND he was much harsher about it (to be fair, jack wasn't the only one, seems penta was on her too, but not quite as much as jack) His reactions to certain things, defenses, and just the way he speaks, is reminiscent of his scum games... With my tunnel vision on penta gone (and with more motivation to backread) I feel like I can see the light again... I noticed too that grape and jack very very lightly defended each other 1 2 and otherwise don't really pressure each other in general (actually this is weird for scum jack since he usually busses, but he did vote denja once, and very early so as not to be the last) There's also the fact that I feel his role is a perfect fit for mafia in this game. So, the flavor anime is about mafia or something right? Mafia have to be sneaky and charismatic, and talk to people one on one to convince them of things. You see where I'm going with that? basically a mafia member talks to a non-mafia secretly to influence their thinking. I have not seen the anime, so I can't say if this is correct thinking, though. But with all the power revealed it makes a lot of sense to me. Esp jack of all trades, lightning rod, 3 kinds of backups (2 for joat and 1 for rod). The two scum so far didn't really seem.. OVERLY powerful to me. one roleblocked actions directed to them (but apparently not the bus driver lol) and killed their last voter, and the other was godfather with 1shot rolecop but only for someone who visits you.... either the last mafia is pretty powerful or there's 4 weak mafia consider also that the godfather wasn't called godfather but reverse miller. A real godfather would be the one to do all the talking in secret, right? kind of like the neighborizer. I was annoyed at Ruu for a previous game is part of the reason I was too harsh on that slot I backed off after day one after thinking about things and wanting to give the replacements a fair chance and moved onto others. Not sure how to respond to second part I would say I'm pretty consistent in approuch either faction but generally that cones off scummy. My defend of Grape came from me and Chione were townreading them day 2 and did not trust Penta so I was testing out his read they is evidence of me talking about this with Chione in my club. Also I said we shoukd move onto Denjax and Grape at end of day 3 people in my club know that as well which I did by going at both yesterday and spending a lot of time agrueing with Denjax and pressuring tried to with grape slot but hard to when inactive. Also call this bussing if you want but that is a biased mindset tbh. I xznt agrue tge last bit my role would be perfect for scum no.point trying to say otherwise. If scum though I played this partly because I gave town a place to share info and ideas. |
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aa-dono said: First. I townread Jack. If he's scum, he doesn't have to go out of his way to determine my alignment since I'm gonna get lynched anyway. Second. He misread me. I told him I wasted a shot and that's why I was frustrated. How he read that I still have my shot is uh~ So no, not provable. Third. I wouldn't vig Ruu. I didn't think she was scum. As you can see from my Day 1 play, I had nothing strong against anyone. I wanted to shoot Coelestin Night 2. I changed my mind last minute since I didn't interact with her enough to actually trust my reads. And I know we're not gonna lynch Qoco. It's just a predictable flow. Since I think he's scum, I decided to shoot him. @Kit Why do you think Penta's town? @PentaFlare exactly the same point I told Jack. There's no way there's 3 cops :P Vote: PentaFlare Damn that is what I get for playing late at night my bad. |
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aa-dono said: Jackrito said: How is not taking credit for Sleip's death a town tell?I think I have, may of hosted some with it, let us look at this another way why claim a proveable role and why not take credit for the kill on Slenipnirr no way for Logic to counter them. You can all lynch if you want but I trust them, part of the reason I invited them. Well because in your position fake calming vig and saying you shot a scum would give you a big town read nearly anyone would do it the fact you did not that that chance shows honesty and how you told me to vote you as well a scum would be more dirty now to stay alive |
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aa-dono said: Jackrito said: Except that Penta immediately claimed to you.They can't be and I made sure to let them know that at the time I don't want to be based just off this role, rather off all factors I get if Coel did, since her role can only clear her. But Penta didn't seem to suspect you one bit when he got invited. Yeah that was strange I presume he read chat and townread me off that I would not be that honest to a neighbour though I thought both would lie to me . |
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grrr said: aa-dono said: @grrrr Did you really not use your protection on Night 3? Because if you didn't, then Shin-chan's supposed to be dead. Even if mafia didn't send in night action, I did. I didnt. Either something else protected him or you are lying. Not sure what to mskes of that. Who have you tried to save then. |
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| Uhm, i have only protected kit once so far. |
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| ^ or at least i want you to believe that. |
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grrr said: @jack who were th people in the club when shinichi betrayed chione ? I like to believe that one of them was mafia and that is why no one was curious on how shinichy knew chiones secrets. Only other one was Penta |
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| Well one of you three is mavia then. Dont you agree? |
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grrr said: But isn't it normal for them not to react to it? Since they all saw the claim.Well one of you three is mavia then. Dont you agree? |
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| I reacted. Anyone who wasnt in the club shouldve reacted. |
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grrr said: I went back to Shinichi exposing Coel.I reacted. Anyone who wasnt in the club shouldve reacted. People who was around that time: logic340, Kit, DenjaX and Jack. All four did not react. Jack later ask how come no one's reacting. But I don't think this is a tell. We know now that logic340 is town :/ Once someone is a townread, I think it's a mind bias to take their words for truth. |
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| See denja was there. He is mafia. He had no way to know how shinishi can know chiones role. But he wasnt curious, he just accpeted it. I believe shinich, penta or jack is mafia for that reason. |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: This is going to seem weird, but I'm trying something new. One of the following claims are true. You could spend some time trying to decipher this if you want, but I'm mostly just trying to mess with the mafia's heads. 1. I'm town vengeful. If you lynch me I've got my brutal aimed at Karote. 2. I'm virgin. Lynch me and there is no night kill. 3. I'm a 1-Shot Vigilante who can not shoot day 1 and was roleblocked last night. 4. I'm a tracker who has been tracking grrr every phase to see whether the nurse claim is justified and have not seen them perform an action. 5. I'm a mason with a top secret mason buddy. 6. I'm a mayor that hasn't revealed because I haven't been under significant pressure. Once I reveal I will be unable to be protected from death, implying there is a doctor but no strongman. 7. I am a town roleblocker who has blocked grrr every phase to see what will happen. 8. I'm a spy and have gotten snippets of the mafia conversation about who they think they can mislynch, which clears grrr, but was roleblocked night 2 and heard nothing. 9. I'm a 1-Shot lie detector and verified grrr's Nurse claim. 10. I'm a type of vanilla cop that can determine whether someone attempted to perform an action last night and have determined that neither grrr nor Ruu attempted actions. 11. I'm the real transporter, but it is a 2-shot ability I haven't used yet. 12. I'm an odd day doublevoter. 13. I'm a special type of doctor that can only stop attempted suicides instead of night kills but do not know what kind of ability would cause that. 14. I'm a martyr that will die in place of my target and has a 50% chance of revealing the killer. 15. I'm a vanilla town. 1. is a scum role (DenjaX) 2. -- 3. Speculation since there's no shots besides mafia. 4. Makes no sense since he defended grrr. 5. Him already exposed to Jack's role. 6. He knows Chione's role. 7. --- 8. I wonder why he assumed I would claim this. 9. Kinda contradicts 7. 10. --- 11. --- 12. This comes after two flips: CP and Rosie. So he suggested he could have a vote manipulation ability that doubles or complements CP back when we didn't know yet that it's possible for two roles to have the same ability. 13. Would explain why Shin didn't die Night 3. 14. --- 15. --- |
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| Okay given the claims i guess i should admit i accidentaly saved shinichi. So, my ability is confirmed, so are jack and shinichi ones. Kit is uncomfirmable. Penta claims qoco's claim is correct. And aa-dono must shoot someone tonight while tracked. |
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logic340 said: PentaFlare said: @Kit here is the other post on how to do the algorithm Ugh. I guess. Something like this: for each train in vote count
int temp = numtotalvoters / numlivingplayers * 3;
int numsuspects = numtotalvoters - numcomfirmedtownies;
for each suspect on train
score[currentsuspect] += temp / numsuspects;
That's the bulk of the math for the really simple version. You have to do more if there has been a scum flip or if you want to factor in anything that isn't vote distribution. specifying types isnt rly necessary but since you have done it let me question your choice of integers for these variables ha |
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Kit said: Shinichi-Kun said: I'm currently working under the assumption penta is town even if i don't like it.. can you back up the fact that penta pushed hard for a grapefruit or sleipnir lynch at some point?Thats if we believe pentas claim and ur miller claim then yes its powerful enough to be scum aligned. At the top of my head i cant recall if he did or not |
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Kit said: Shinichi-Kun said: Scum wouldn't have a double kill so Vig is a provable role right? If the game doesn't end with today's lynch she can prove herself during the night. (hopefully by shooting Qoco, Jack, or me)If we use this count alone then Qoco penta and kit are all cleared do to placement of votes, which leaves dono and jack. But if dono really is the vigilante ik she would have shot 1 of her suspects by now. And the fact that she wanted to shoot qoco makes me think she is scum, because she risked wasting a shot on a role that could either avoid it or die flipping townie. Cause i think the penta train is all town I come to this conclusion cause sleipnirr left is vote on you which pretty much makes u town and the same logic for the Qoco train denja had his vote there. |
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aa-dono said: Jackrito said: Except that Penta immediately claimed to you.They can't be and I made sure to let them know that at the time I don't want to be based just off this role, rather off all factors I get if Coel did, since her role can only clear her. But Penta didn't seem to suspect you one bit when he got invited. i dont get it if u dont trust jack why did u out ur role to him. @jackrito how fast did she claim her role? |
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aa-dono said: Shinichi-Kun said: Stop dismissing possible set-up saying it's broken. >,>cause never seen the role be scum, actually sounds way to broken be scum aligned role. no because i trust suzune as a host lol |
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grrr said: aa-dono said: @grrrr Did you really not use your protection on Night 3? Because if you didn't, then Shin-chan's supposed to be dead. Even if mafia didn't send in night action, I did. I didnt. Either something else protected him or you are lying. but logic said he didint protect me it had to be you, unless mafia actually didnt make it a kill. |
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| @aa-dono penta isnt a cop nor is the JAOT Edithes more like a watcher |
Shinichi-KunApr 30, 2017 8:29 AM
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grrr said: See denja was there. He is mafia. He had no way to know how shinishi can know chiones role. But he wasnt curious, he just accpeted it. I believe shinich, penta or jack is mafia for that reason. honestly i actually understand where grrr is coming from |
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grrr said: Okay given the claims i guess i should admit i accidentaly saved shinichi. So, my ability is confirmed, so are jack and shinichi ones. Kit is uncomfirmable. Penta claims qoco's claim is correct. And aa-dono must shoot someone tonight while tracked. grrr saving me :O never knew this day would come |
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| It was all suzunes fault for not warning me that there is a huge chance my ability will be redirected to you. By the way was logic bluffing? I dont see why he requested me to not protect him. I think it was a bluff. |
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| vote: qoco |
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grrr said: vote: qoco why him first over penta? |
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| I want penta to track aadono. Aadono has a shot left right? |
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grrr said: I want penta to track aadono. Aadono has a shot left right? @aa-dono how many shots u have? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: 1grrr said: I want penta to track aadono. Aadono has a shot left right? @aa-dono how many shots u have? grrr said: NoneI want penta to track aadono. Aadono has a shot left right? |
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oh ok then lol |
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