95PercentCaim said: I would have to say that the biggest indicator is that you are able to walk around in multiple areas, and some areas actually have sensible impassable walls. It might not be a missing 1/3rd of the game right there, but I feel like this is a "where there's smoke there's fire" sort of thing.Thrashinuva said: How does this indicate it's incomplete though? It's indicative with 180 degree Ravus and Noctis's buddies disappearing on us but I don't think glitching into water really indicates anything.With MGS5 we got part 3 as evidence the game wasn't completed. With FFXV we got this: Xv0oRyR-Kdc[/yt] Also I tried swimming out of Altissia and into the ocean, through the passage your boat takes when you get there. Hit an invisible wall past the border of the map. Oh, I've also found a way to get back to the main land safely. There's a lot of 1 way trips to be had, but performing that glitch itself is not one of them. |
Thrashinuva said: I don't think that makes it as indicative of incompleteness as MGSV, which had an entire chapter missing.95PercentCaim said: I would have to say that the biggest indicator is that you are able to walk around in multiple areas, and some areas actually have sensible impassable walls. It might not be a missing 1/3rd of the game right there, but I feel like this is a "where there's smoke there's fire" sort of thing.How does this indicate it's incomplete though? It's indicative with 180 degree Ravus and Noctis's buddies disappearing on us but I don't think glitching into water really indicates anything. Also I tried swimming out of Altissia and into the ocean, through the passage your boat takes when you get there. Hit an invisible wall past the border of the map. Oh, I've also found a way to get back to the main land safely. There's a lot of 1 way trips to be had, but performing that glitch itself is not one of them. I can glitch/hack myself to land and water that you can move on and is outside the official boundary of play in many other games. Just because I can do so doesn't actually make those games or this incomplete. |
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| It's not "as incomplete" as MGSV, but I think this is strong evidence to suggest the devs likely wanted us to explore more of Altissia than we did, however early or late in development that decision was made to cut the rest. It's fairly obvious in other areas such as Ch13, but there are those who attribute that to developer decisions rather than a development concern. At least with this there's some observable content outside of the realm of the player that we can see so we can discern something on our own about it. It's not a lot. I tried going in a couple of directions and there wasn't much of interest that I could find. If someone finds something a bit more definitive then that would be fairly interesting. |
Thrashinuva said: XV had executive meddling and valid reasons too, they had to wrestle with the engine leading to alot of cut content for pretty much most of its issues, they couldnt restart it like they did KH3 tabata and his crew needed to stick through it.JizzyHitler said: I don't necessarily disagree with that assessment, but at least with MGS5 we had something to properly vent about, which was Konami screwing us all over, and that the "true mastermind" remained spotless due to our faith. With XV it just feels dirty.theres pretty much no denying how much of the game got screwed cause of wrestling with the engine, but XV is leagues more complete than mgs5 due to better planning cause the story has an actual proper ending and finale. Btw I recreated the glitch just now (fairly easy) and recorded some video and went in a different direction. I'll upload it as soon as I can. again its pretty disingenuous to say incomplete, cause the game is done right down to a conclusive ending to the entire story, there was cut content game play wise likley caused from the luminous engine but the team did a commendable job for sticking with it and finishing the entire thing even with its noticeable flaws. MGS5 has far less of an excuse cause even if we take into account konami the simple fact of the matter is mgs 5 was focused on filler content to make up most its missions as is with little to nothing being done for the important parts of the game so far to the point where we not only didnt get an ending, we didnt get a fucking finale. I've slowly started to accept that while yes konami played a part we really need to blame kojima fully for mgs5 being a fucking mess of a game, cause konami isntr the reason the story is ass, it isnt konami's faults all the missions are bland uninteresting rehashes that serve no purpouse, it isnt konami's fault 90% of big bosses dialogue got cut to imitate mad max. XV just has cut content which all games do, we dont even know just how much was even cut cause it really looks like it was just altisa and chapter 13 not getting balanced properly due to optimizing the rest of the game. FFXV is more comparable to tales of xillia, where external issues hurt the development causing alot of content to be cut but the team still pulled it together to tell a finished story and game. And frankly its a miracle XV turned out the way it did. |
JizzyHitlerDec 16, 2016 8:17 AM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: They didn't wrestle with it. They had to build another engine entirely because the "universal engine" that Toriyama promised for the Versus XIII team turned out to be too specialized for XIII. The new console generation led to the team starting from scratch again as well.Thrashinuva said: XV had executive meddling and valid reasons too, they had to wrestle with the engine leading to alot of cut content for pretty much most of its issues, they couldnt restart it like they did KH3 tabata and his crew needed to stick through it.I don't necessarily disagree with that assessment, but at least with MGS5 we had something to properly vent about, which was Konami screwing us all over, and that the "true mastermind" remained spotless due to our faith. With XV it just feels dirty. Btw I recreated the glitch just now (fairly easy) and recorded some video and went in a different direction. I'll upload it as soon as I can. again its pretty disingenuous to say incomplete, cause the game is done right down to a conclusive ending to the entire story, there was cut content game play wise likley caused from the luminous engine but the team did a commendable job for sticking with it and finishing the entire thing even with its noticeable flaws. MGS5 has far less of an excuse cause even if we take into account konami the simple fact of the matter is mgs 5 was focused on filler content to make up most its missions as is with little to nothing being done for the important parts of the game so far to the point where we not only didnt get an ending, we didnt get a fucking finale. I've slowly started to accept that while yes konami played a part we really need to blame kojima fully for mgs5 being a fucking mess of a game, cause konami isntr the reason the story is ass, it isnt konami's faults all the missions are bland uninteresting rehashes that serve no purpouse, it isnt konami's fault 90% of big bosses dialogue got cut to imitate mad max. XV just has cut content which all games do, we dont even know just how much was even cut cause it really looks like it was just altisa and chapter 13 not getting balanced properly due to optimizing the rest of the game. FFXV is more comparable to tales of xillia, where external issues hurt the development causing alot of content to be cut but the team still pulled it together to tell a finished story and game. And frankly its a miracle XV turned out the way it did. |
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JizzyHitler said: Thrashinuva said: XV had executive meddling and valid reasons too, they had to wrestle with the engine leading to alot of cut content for pretty much most of its issues, they couldnt restart it like they did KH3 tabata and his crew needed to stick through it.I don't necessarily disagree with that assessment, but at least with MGS5 we had something to properly vent about, which was Konami screwing us all over, and that the "true mastermind" remained spotless due to our faith. With XV it just feels dirty. Btw I recreated the glitch just now (fairly easy) and recorded some video and went in a different direction. I'll upload it as soon as I can. again its pretty disingenuous to say incomplete, cause the game is done right down to a conclusive ending to the entire story, there was cut content game play wise likley caused from the luminous engine but the team did a commendable job for sticking with it and finishing the entire thing even with its noticeable flaws. MGS5 has far less of an excuse cause even if we take into account konami the simple fact of the matter is mgs 5 was focused on filler content to make up most its missions as is with little to nothing being done for the important parts of the game so far to the point where we not only didnt get an ending, we didnt get a fucking finale. I've slowly started to accept that while yes konami played a part we really need to blame kojima fully for mgs5 being a fucking mess of a game, cause konami isntr the reason the story is ass, it isnt konami's faults all the missions are bland uninteresting rehashes that serve no purpouse, it isnt konami's fault 90% of big bosses dialogue got cut to imitate mad max. XV just has cut content which all games do, we dont even know just how much was even cut cause it really looks like it was just altisa and chapter 13 not getting balanced properly due to optimizing the rest of the game. FFXV is more comparable to tales of xillia, where external issues hurt the development causing alot of content to be cut but the team still pulled it together to tell a finished story and game. And frankly its a miracle XV turned out the way it did. We'll have to see about Kojima when Death Stranding comes along. Are we really supposed to believe that someone with such a high belief in long and drawn out narratives just unanimously and abruptly decided to cut 90% of Hollywood Star Kiefer Sutherland's lines? I feel like there's something bigger there. As far as filler content goes, FFXV has a ton of that. It's only a 17 hour game without it's filler, comparable to Star Ocean 5. I'm not trying to say XV and MGSV are equally sinful. It is nice that XV actually had an ending, and we at least got conclusions to a lot of things. MGSV may very well be the last Metal Gear Solid game, but what do we expect from FFXVI? Do we expect another XV? Or we expect a full game? What do we expect from FFVIIR part 1? SE said each part would have the amount of content as a XIII game, but are we really to believe that? In my opinion FFXII is a game with cut content, but is still complete in all ways including story, while I may not like it. That's why I also feel XV, which delivered less than XII did regarding story, seems incomplete. And while we're including MGS in this, MGS is known for it's off screen happenings, but they were done well. In XV things happen offscreen and leave you feeling dissatisfied rather than having you trying to think on your feet.  Maybe all I ask is that all of these characters be important to the player. If I can credit anything to MGSV, at least all of the characters were impactful, including Eli and Psycho Mantis. Maybe them switching to UE4 will alleviate a lot of this. I'm not overall passing judgement on them yet, but to not be concerned about it would be a mistake. |
Thrashinuva said: i dont know what to tell you cause thats what happened, all his lines got recorded and you can go listen to them on youtube if you want, kojima decided really close to release to cut his lines. MGS5 is a mess cause of kojima.JizzyHitler said: XV had executive meddling and valid reasons too, they had to wrestle with the engine leading to alot of cut content for pretty much most of its issues, they couldnt restart it like they did KH3 tabata and his crew needed to stick through it. again its pretty disingenuous to say incomplete, cause the game is done right down to a conclusive ending to the entire story, there was cut content game play wise likley caused from the luminous engine but the team did a commendable job for sticking with it and finishing the entire thing even with its noticeable flaws. MGS5 has far less of an excuse cause even if we take into account konami the simple fact of the matter is mgs 5 was focused on filler content to make up most its missions as is with little to nothing being done for the important parts of the game so far to the point where we not only didnt get an ending, we didnt get a fucking finale. I've slowly started to accept that while yes konami played a part we really need to blame kojima fully for mgs5 being a fucking mess of a game, cause konami isntr the reason the story is ass, it isnt konami's faults all the missions are bland uninteresting rehashes that serve no purpouse, it isnt konami's fault 90% of big bosses dialogue got cut to imitate mad max. XV just has cut content which all games do, we dont even know just how much was even cut cause it really looks like it was just altisa and chapter 13 not getting balanced properly due to optimizing the rest of the game. FFXV is more comparable to tales of xillia, where external issues hurt the development causing alot of content to be cut but the team still pulled it together to tell a finished story and game. And frankly its a miracle XV turned out the way it did. We'll have to see about Kojima when Death Stranding comes along. Are we really supposed to believe that someone with such a high belief in long and drawn out narratives just unanimously and abruptly decided to cut 90% of Hollywood Star Kiefer Sutherland's lines? I feel like there's something bigger there. Thrashinuva said: thats not what filler means, FFXv was short but all its chapters were necessarry and set up things that progressed the plot or expanded on the battle system, all its filler parts were pushed into the game numerous amount of side content and side dungeons that they honestly should of left as main story missions. MGS 5 is filler cause none of the game main missions existed for anything other than padding, you go in rescuing random hostages or blowing up tanks but there isnt a purpose of it, they are over glorified side missions that not only did you need to play as main missions....you had to play them twice.As far as filler content goes, FFXV has a ton of that. It's only a 17 hour game without it's filler, comparable to Star Ocean 5. Thrashinuva said: well different teams but again XV's flaws come almost entirely from the luminous engine and wrestling with it, they had to fight to get things like airships and even just the game to run on consoles which hurt them trying to fully balance things out in things like chapter 13 and 9I'm not trying to say XV and MGSV are equally sinful. It is nice that XV actually had an ending, and we at least got conclusions to a lot of things. MGSV may very well be the last Metal Gear Solid game, but what do we expect from FFXVI? Do we expect another XV? Or we expect a full game? What do we expect from FFVIIR part 1? SE said each part would have the amount of content as a XIII game, but are we really to believe that? Thrashinuva said: well in Xv's defense here, XII had a significantly longer development of 6 years with the developmental team change early on, FFXV only had 4 years of development(remember it didnt actually start development till very late 2011) with the team change midway through. They arent as easilly comparable. XII did turn out better but its not something that can be easilly compared due to different genre and circumstances. In my opinion FFXII is a game with cut content, but is still complete in all ways including story, while I may not like it. That's why I also feel XV, which delivered less than XII did regarding story, seems incomplete. And while we're including MGS in this, MGS is known for it's off screen happenings, but they were done well. In XV things happen offscreen and leave you feeling dissatisfied rather than having you trying to think on your feet. Thrashinuva said: welll for starters that picture was from nomura's incomplete vision where 2 of those characters arent even in the game so its unfair to complain about them not having importance. Versus and XV had alot of script changes but that isnt the same as being incomplete. It'd be like saying FFVII is incomplete cause the original protagonist detective joe isnt anywhere to be found. As for the MGS 5 characters i disagree entirely and you might be the first person ive ever seen send any sort of positive praise towards 5's cast, they fucking butchered ocelot as a character both personality wise but also causing him to be a completely worthless character to the plot, kaz just spends the entire game resorting to complaining, quiet partially cause she can just be killed off in her initial appearance is a complete blank slate character that existed more for gameplay benefits than story, and skull face.....oh my fucking god skull face one of the worst antagonists i have ever seen, the single most nonthreatening and uneventful conflict they could of ever made for that character. And mgs 5's cast is only made so much worse once you beat it and realize that phantom pain as a whole adds nothing to the overall lore of the game, essentially its a waste of time and can be skipped entirely without anything feeling missing from the plot of MGS as a whole. Hell it only adds more questions if anything. Maybe id concede they contribute to the plot if there was a plot to contribue to, but when you really sit down and look at MGS 5's story as a whole nothing of note even fucking happens the entire game, shit just kind of happens and then it just sort of ends despite there being some really cool build up going on.Maybe all I ask is that all of these characters be important to the player. If I can credit anything to MGSV, at least all of the characters were impactful, including Eli and Psycho Mantis. XV has signs of development hell, no one even tabata will deny that, but XV isnt an incomplete game. The story finishes every plot note it starts regardless of how successful some are in contrast to others in addition to the game having massive amounts of content probably the most out of the entire FF franchise with the sheer amount of optional dungeons and content. FFXV is a completed game that just had to make sacrifices due to a troublesome luminous engine which really shows since nomura's team abandoned luminous entirely. You simply cannot compare it to MGS 5, a game that asks you to pretty much play the game missions just to padd out run time, the game that cut every single one of its bosses from the final product, the game that purpously made you traverse distance sof nothing at the start of each mission to padd out length, the game that didnt have a 3rd act or ending, and the game that masked side missions as main content. They arent even comparable in the slightest. |
JizzyHitlerDec 16, 2016 9:26 AM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: All those characters are in the game, though. The hooded man is Ravus, and the man next to Noctis is his father. Every other character appears exactly as they are in the picture.welll for starters that picture was from nomura's incomplete vision where 2 of those characters arent even in the game so its unfair to complain about them not having importance. Versus and XV had alot of script changes but that isnt the same as being incomplete. It'd be like saying FFVII is incomplete cause the original protagonist detective joe isnt anywhere to be found. As for the MGS 5 characters i disagree entirely and you might be the first person ive ever seen send any sort of positive praise towards 5's cast, they fucking butchered ocelot as a character both personality wise but also causing him to be a completely worthless character to the plot, kaz just spends the entire game resorting to complaining, quiet partially cause she can just be killed off in her initial appearance is a complete blank slate character that existed more for gameplay benefits than story, and skull face.....oh my fucking god skull face one of the worst antagonists i have ever seen, the single most nonthreatening and uneventful conflict they could of ever made for that character. And mgs 5's cast is only made so much worse once you beat it and realize that phantom pain as a whole adds nothing to the overall lore of the game, essentially its a waste of time and can be skipped entirely without anything feeling missing from the plot of MGS as a whole. Hell it only adds more questions if anything. Maybe id concede they contribute to the plot if there was a plot to contribue to, but when you really sit down and look at MGS 5's story as a whole nothing of note even fucking happens the entire game, shit just kind of happens and then it just sort of ends despite there being some really cool build up going on. XV has signs of development hell, no one even tabata will deny that, but XV isnt an incomplete game. The story finishes every plot note it starts regardless of how successful some are in contrast to others in addition to the game having massive amounts of content probably the most out of the entire FF franchise with the sheer amount of optional dungeons and content. FFXV is a completed game that just had to make sacrifices due to a troublesome luminous engine which really shows since nomura's team abandoned luminous entirely. You simply cannot compare it to MGS 5, a game that asks you to pretty much play the game missions just to padd out run time, the game that cut every single one of its bosses from the final product, the game that purpously made you traverse distance sof nothing at the start of each mission to padd out length, the game that didnt have a 3rd act or ending, and the game that masked side missions as main content. They arent even comparable in the slightest. However if you were to ask me what the name of the character between Gentiana and Ravus is, I couldn't honestly tell you. He's in the game and his name is mentioned, but that's as much as I can tell you, and yet I believe I remember hearing that he's responsible for all of the scientific advancement in the Empire. Ignoring Regis whose story was told in Kingsglaive, Iedolus had very little importance. He was less important than Cor (to the right of Ravus) who you got to see for about a whole 10 minutes. Equally so to Ravus himself, but at least we did see Ravus in some of Kingsglaive. As far as the cast of MGSV, it's a mixed bag. I'm praising the quality of their characters rather than what the characters have become. Ocelot was a good character, but he simply wasn't what we wanted out of Ocelot as a character. How are we really supposed to expect that Snake just doesn't talk when that's the whole concept of Quiet's character? Especially considering that we got long drawn out conversations happening on audio tapes. I can't call what happens to Iedolus a complete narrative plot point. I can't call that an ending to his story. It goes beyond what any normal Deus Ex Machina usually ever establishes. I can accept what happens to Jared. It happens off screen. It happens suddenly and out of nowhere. You saw the moments right before it and the moments right after it. You got a pretty good summary of what happened. Jared wasn't an important character. Yet we don't even get half of that for Iedolus, someone who's supposed to be the most important person in the world. |
Thrashinuva said: JizzyHitler said: All those characters are in the game, though. The hooded man is Ravus, and the man next to Noctis is his father. Every other character appears exactly as they are in the picture.welll for starters that picture was from nomura's incomplete vision where 2 of those characters arent even in the game so its unfair to complain about them not having importance. Versus and XV had alot of script changes but that isnt the same as being incomplete. It'd be like saying FFVII is incomplete cause the original protagonist detective joe isnt anywhere to be found. As for the MGS 5 characters i disagree entirely and you might be the first person ive ever seen send any sort of positive praise towards 5's cast, they fucking butchered ocelot as a character both personality wise but also causing him to be a completely worthless character to the plot, kaz just spends the entire game resorting to complaining, quiet partially cause she can just be killed off in her initial appearance is a complete blank slate character that existed more for gameplay benefits than story, and skull face.....oh my fucking god skull face one of the worst antagonists i have ever seen, the single most nonthreatening and uneventful conflict they could of ever made for that character. And mgs 5's cast is only made so much worse once you beat it and realize that phantom pain as a whole adds nothing to the overall lore of the game, essentially its a waste of time and can be skipped entirely without anything feeling missing from the plot of MGS as a whole. Hell it only adds more questions if anything. Maybe id concede they contribute to the plot if there was a plot to contribue to, but when you really sit down and look at MGS 5's story as a whole nothing of note even fucking happens the entire game, shit just kind of happens and then it just sort of ends despite there being some really cool build up going on. I'm not arguing that Xv doesnt suffer from problems due to its development, im arguing this is a completed game. If i was to get into the quality of the game theres alot of things i have issue with but also some things about it that i think the game does better than pretty much any game ive played. XV is basically a new nier situation where the game has buttloads of issues but also so much it wound up doing well that anytime i start bitching i slowly turn to to praising the parts i did love. Frankly as shit as chapter 13 was chapter 14 was so good it pretty much alleviated the dissapointment from the let downs chapter 13 provided. Though the twist and final cutscnee of 13 also helped. XV has signs of development hell, no one even tabata will deny that, but XV isnt an incomplete game. The story finishes every plot note it starts regardless of how successful some are in contrast to others in addition to the game having massive amounts of content probably the most out of the entire FF franchise with the sheer amount of optional dungeons and content. FFXV is a completed game that just had to make sacrifices due to a troublesome luminous engine which really shows since nomura's team abandoned luminous entirely. You simply cannot compare it to MGS 5, a game that asks you to pretty much play the game missions just to padd out run time, the game that cut every single one of its bosses from the final product, the game that purpously made you traverse distance sof nothing at the start of each mission to padd out length, the game that didnt have a 3rd act or ending, and the game that masked side missions as main content. They arent even comparable in the slightest. However if you were to ask me what the name of the character between Gentiana and Ravus is, I couldn't honestly tell you. He's in the game and his name is mentioned, but that's as much as I can tell you, and yet I believe I remember hearing that he's responsible for all of the scientific advancement in the Empire. Ignoring Regis whose story was told in Kingsglaive, Iedolus had very little importance. He was less important than Cor (to the right of Ravus) who you got to see for about a whole 10 minutes. Equally so to Ravus himself, but at least we did see Ravus in some of Kingsglaive. As far as the cast of MGSV, it's a mixed bag. I'm praising the quality of their characters rather than what the characters have become. Ocelot was a good character, but he simply wasn't what we wanted out of Ocelot as a character. How are we really supposed to expect that Snake just doesn't talk when that's the whole concept of Quiet's character? Especially considering that we got long drawn out conversations happening on audio tapes. I can't call what happens to Iedolus a complete narrative plot point. I can't call that an ending to his story. It goes beyond what any normal Deus Ex Machina usually ever establishes. I can accept what happens to Jared. It happens off screen. It happens suddenly and out of nowhere. You saw the moments right before it and the moments right after it. You got a pretty good summary of what happened. Jared wasn't an important character. Yet we don't even get half of that for Iedolus, someone who's supposed to be the most important person in the world. i dont deny the nifleheim conflict being a red herring was mishandled, i love the idea behind if being that the game main plot was ardyn being a wild card the whole time but you dont really notice that till looking back on it post chapter 13, but the game suffered from anticlimax in that chapter cause of it all happening off screen. Its still a narrative plot point though red herrings are stilol that it just wasnt a particularly well done version of it. I think the fact that ardyn is one of the most active antagonists the series has ever had makes up for it though cause to that point he was always blatently obvious to be the main antagonist, im not excusing the nifleheim red herring though thats by far my least favorite part of the game, but if we are talking about completeness this doesnt really push any narrative of it being incomplete, if they had more time they probably would of still had them all killed by ardyn before noct even arrived. also for the characters, that picture to the left was still stella and the hooded guy we never found out people just assumed it was ravus as far as i know, those were 2 characters not in the game i was referring to. That trailer was directed entirely by nomura but XV's plot was still being written, and if nomura had stayed on it would of been part 1 of a trilogy so then we'd actually have right to complain about it being incomplete. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| @Thrashinuva FFXV's is about Noctis. His life, his friends, his roadtrip, his girl, his throne. The emperor has an insignificant role because his interaction with Noctis is at a complete minimum. There's a reason why even Cor has more importance than Iedolus because at least Cor and Noctis know each other. From that perspective, the plot of FFXV is complete. |
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95PercentCaim said: Iedolus is directly responsible for his father's death as well as the destruction of his homeland. The revelation that Ardyn was ultimately responsible doesn't excuse the emperor from all of that. Iedolus is important to Noctis, but I was speaking of the world rather than the story.@Thrashinuva FFXV's is about Noctis. His life, his friends, his roadtrip, his girl, his throne. The emperor has an insignificant role because his interaction with Noctis is at a complete minimum. There's a reason why even Cor has more importance than Iedolus because at least Cor and Noctis know each other. From that perspective, the plot of FFXV is complete. Kingsglaive also begs more questions. Did Noctis speak with the kings of old? Why does he take the ring off when he's not using it? Is it painful for him to wear it? Does Galahd even exist? FFX was about Tidus and we didn't have these issues. He literally exclaimed at almost every chance he could "This is my story!" I can't really buy that XV was all about Noctis, especially considering other characters being stressed so much. You see Luna in flashbacks (of only Luna and not Noctis). You listen to Aranea go on about her life choices. You see Iedolus commanding his fleet. You hear about tensions within the empire. You deal with other people's problems for everything that isn't the main story. We even skipped 10 years of his life. At least if we're going to say it's Noctis' story, then FFX is an example of that being done right, and FFXV is an example of that being done wrong. |
| @Thrashinuva You're overdressing Iedola. The true character of importance is Ardyn. Iedola was just Ardyn's puppet. Iedola actually used to be a benevolent and great ruler until Ardyn came into the picture. And it was Ardyn who spearheaded the creation of all those weapons and magitek monsters introduced into the game. Who originally planned on destroying the Lucis bloodline? Ardyn. Who planned on taking and destroying the crystal? Ardyn. Ardyn is really the answer to everything. |
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Thrashinuva said: He isn't forgiven and forgotten though. Ardyn turns him into a daemon and you kill him in chapter 13. He died how he lived. As Ardyn's puppet.It's not as if he should be forgiven and forgotten about everything. He's the emperor. His word is law, and Ardyn or no he is the one who ordered his country to take over Lucis. He is the one who betrayed King Regis. He is the one who wanted Luna dead (why Ardyn killed her is anyone's guess). |
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95PercentCaim said: That Daemon is treated as a petty annoyance. There's zero satisfaction to be had from it.Thrashinuva said: He isn't forgiven and forgotten though. Ardyn turns him into a daemon and you kill him in chapter 13. He died how he lived. As Ardyn's puppet.It's not as if he should be forgiven and forgotten about everything. He's the emperor. His word is law, and Ardyn or no he is the one who ordered his country to take over Lucis. He is the one who betrayed King Regis. He is the one who wanted Luna dead (why Ardyn killed her is anyone's guess). |
Thrashinuva said: I doubt he was intended to give satisfaction when killed. He wasn't even the boss of that chapter. If FFXV was chess, then Iedola was at most a bishop. Just kinda there to annoy.95PercentCaim said: That Daemon is treated as a petty annoyance. There's zero satisfaction to be had from it.He isn't forgiven and forgotten though. Ardyn turns him into a daemon and you kill him in chapter 13. He died how he lived. As Ardyn's puppet. |
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95PercentCaim said: It's even worse if that's how they intentionally designed it.Thrashinuva said: I doubt he was intended to give satisfaction when killed. He wasn't even the boss of that chapter. If FFXV was chess, then Iedola was at most a bishop. Just kinda there to annoy.That Daemon is treated as a petty annoyance. There's zero satisfaction to be had from it. Iedolus is such a cool character. He was the highlight of Kingsglaive. |
| Compare Iedola to Shinra and the emperor of FF6. Those 2 were a good way of making a "Red Herring" of a villian, what we got with Iedola in this game is a joke. I wouldn't disagree with saying that this game is as incomplete as MGSV, it's just that MGSV misses the entire final part, while this game misses a lot of content in the middle. |
VanisherDec 17, 2016 8:16 AM
Vanisher said: I can't comment on FF6, but President Shinra is a semi-decent comparison. The thing about that though was there was no real reason, as the player, to feel they needed to take out the President on their own terms. Not only that but you, as the player and the main character, got to see before and after his death, as well as the manner in which he died, and got a good explanation as to who killed him. You even got to see his corpse. The satisfaction of defeating the President was taken away, but you were given many other things in its place, such as the new President Rufus as well as the mysterious and potentially dangerous Sephiroth. And it wasn't within the final few hours of the game, but rather the beginning few hours of the game.Compare Iedola to Shinra and the emperor of FF6. Those 2 were a good way of making a "Red Herring" of a villian, what we got with Iedola in this game is a joke. I wouldn't disagree with saying that this game is as incomplete as MGSV, it's just that MGSV misses the entire final part, while this game misses a lot of content in the middle. |
| For the fanboys. |
Thrashinuva said: For you I guess. I didn't really give a shit about him tbh.95PercentCaim said: It's even worse if that's how they intentionally designed it.I doubt he was intended to give satisfaction when killed. He wasn't even the boss of that chapter. If FFXV was chess, then Iedola was at most a bishop. Just kinda there to annoy. Iedolus is such a cool character. He was the highlight of Kingsglaive. |
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| Remember this one? I had totally forgotten about it to be honest. |
| New Game + has been added. |
| So at what level did you guys beat the last 2 chapters? Currently level 48 and the daemons kick my ass in chapter 14, there's a level 70 one that shoots lasers and the 2 snake ones. |
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RX-782 said: Level 50 I think. I just ran away from the big mobs, used a summon on the behemoth that was blocking the gate towards Ardyn, and went in.So at what level did you guys beat the last 2 chapters? Currently level 48 and the daemons kick my ass in chapter 14, there's a level 70 one that shoots lasers and the 2 snake ones. |
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95PercentCaim said: Is there some requirements you have to meet in order to summon the summons? Do they have cool downs or something?RX-782 said: Level 50 I think. I just ran away from the big mobs, used a summon on the behemoth that was blocking the gate towards Ardyn, and went in.So at what level did you guys beat the last 2 chapters? Currently level 48 and the daemons kick my ass in chapter 14, there's a level 70 one that shoots lasers and the 2 snake ones. |
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RX-782 said: 95PercentCaim said: Is there some requirements you have to meet in order to summon the summons? Do they have cool downs or something?Level 50 I think. I just ran away from the big mobs, used a summon on the behemoth that was blocking the gate towards Ardyn, and went in. (Level 69) I'm not sure what the specific requirements are, but they seem more likely to trigger if you're: Dying Fighting a tough enemy During a long fight If you're going balls to the wall insane in attacking In my experience Ramuh is the most likely to trigger, and I've only ever seen Ramuh and Shiva trigger while underground. You can only summon Ramuh, Titan, Shiva, and Leviathan while playing normally. You cannot summon Ifrit at all. I don't think they have any sort of strict cooldowns other than that you can't summon more than once in a single fight. As far as the laser daemon, stay far away from him, dodge his lasers (let your party die they're useless), and focus on parrying him. If you have Duel Code (great sword) then it'll work wonders on strong singular enemies like him. If you have Bow of the Clever then go ahead and unlock Ignis' Overwhelm ability. Use his Enhancement ability to buff your attacks, and then if you want mid-battle change his ability to Overwhelm and use that (specifically with Bow of the Clever), and you should be doing a lot more damage. You can also turn on Wait Mode and use some of the buffs you get from it. There's also no penalty for switching to Easy Mode, and you'll get Carbuncle buffs if you die during most fights. With Wait Mode turned on, you can let the wait timer start (don't move the control stick or press any buttons), and warp strike an enemy for a decent chance to break them, which will let you pull off bigger damage for the rest of the fight. Daggers are by far one of the best weapon types in the game. Duel Code is extremely useful and if you spam warp strike while close with the critical ascension then it can out damage most of your other weapons if you aren't already hitting the damage limit. Bow of the Clever + Overwhelm (+ Enhancement if you're crazy) is the most OP thing in the game when you're not forced to target resistant enemy parts (useless on Adamantoise and Angelus 0). Keep in mind that the Death spell actually works on a lot of enemies and that you just need a lot of MP (wait to let your MP restore or figure something else out, you don't have to use Death in one go). Holy is also pretty helpful in most scenarios. Ultima is useless. I'd suggest avoiding the Naga's. You can even avoid mostly everything else really. The only stuff that isn't a pain to fight is the behemoth that you're forced to fight, and the magitek soldiers + imps. Nothing gives you a decent enough reward to merit actually fighting it out. Hot tip - Once you've: |
| I've only summoned Rumuh a few times, one of those times was actually at the start of the battle but I was in a dungeon for a long time so it could fall under fighting a long time. Damn I do not have any of the weapons you've mentioned since I haven't been exploring ever since I found out about the length of the game, and since I'm close already I haven't been motivated to grind and explore. Thanks for the tips, I'll definitely try that out. |
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RX-782 said: I don't remember where you get Duel Code but Bow of the Clever is one of the armiger weapons. The bow is pretty useless on its own, but becomes OP with the use of Ignis' Overwhelm ability.I've only summoned Rumuh a few times, one of those times was actually at the start of the battle but I was in a dungeon for a long time so it could fall under fighting a long time. Damn I do not have any of the weapons you've mentioned since I haven't been exploring ever since I found out about the length of the game, and since I'm close already I haven't been motivated to grind and explore. Thanks for the tips, I'll definitely try that out. If you're ever in a pinch, seriously just craft some magic and equip some magic boosting gear. Sword of the Father, Scepter of the Pious, Wizard Shield, and the default outfit (No Jacket) will increase your magic by a drastic amount. You probably don't have the Wizard Shield but something like Mythril Daggers is a good replacement. The outfit is a flat 20% increase on your stat so it gets better the stronger you are. You can easily hit 9,999 damage with a single spell across multiple enemies, and for a total of 5 times per cast if you craft Quinticast magic. This becomes less useful once you can reliably do this with physical attacks, but then limit break magic comes into play and you can then easily deal 99,999 damage. Of course waiting for the cooldown on magic is boring. But it's a safe sure kill method in most scenarios. You don't even have to use all of your elements to hit max damage. |
| Well I just finished the game, the boss battles were pretty cool tbh, but damn the shortness of the story really killed it for me. This could've been a great fucking game with an beautiful story but nah it just doesn't have enough. Oh well I'll wait and see what the dlc has in store once they're up, but i won't be touching the game until then. |
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RX-782 said: Yeah, it's a very flawed game but I can't help but love it.Well I just finished the game, the boss battles were pretty cool tbh, but damn the shortness of the story really killed it for me. This could've been a great fucking game with an beautiful story but nah it just doesn't have enough. Oh well I'll wait and see what the dlc has in store once they're up, but i won't be touching the game until then. The post-credits campfire scene is a highlight and definitely up there with the "I hate you dad" scene in FFX. |
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| Aranea, Iris, and Cor are confirmed playable as future DLC. |
| Yes I need more Aranea. |
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| I kind of went overboard; I'm level 99 and I'm just now in chapter 14. I honestly didn't expect this scenario to happen, I always worried I'd be overwhelmed and got my ass kicked all the time. Overall though, a terrific game. Chapter 10-12 in particular had some really dark and emotional moments. |
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Bezaliel said: The secret dungeon is one of the best things about the game.Welp i did the secret dungeon and i gotta say that was the most frustrating things i have ever done in fucking YEARS. I hate everything. |
Bezaliel said: The black hood is one of the best accessories in the game.Thrashinuva said: The secret dungeon is one of the best things about the game. Look I know why you say that but jesus noctis is one suicidal bastard I nudge the stick a little forward he does a freaking ollie another thing is I thought at first ''oh hey this will kill an hour or so!'' 4 hours passed man and at the end I got something just eh <.<. I still want to try the dungeon within a dungeon within another dungeon, dungeon. |
| I just recently beat this game, it is amazing i love it |
| "Although a Call of Duty has now topped the December sales chart for the ninth consecutive year, Final Fantasy XV was the best selling game for the PS4 during the month," said Naji. "Final Fantasy XV was the second best-selling title for December 2016... Final Fantasy XV experienced the best console launch month in the history of the franchise selling 19 percent more new physical units than Final Fantasy XIII in its launch month and 54% more in total dollar revenue including digital full game sales." http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-01-19-call-of-duty-infinite-warfare-battlefield-1-lead-2016-us-game-sales-npd wew lads Seems FFXV is a success. |
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| A bit late on this since the DLC has apparently been available since Dec 22 (though not playable til Jan 24th). Yea I don't know. For a limited time, discover fun carnival games in beautiful Altissia from Final Fantasy XV! Take the challenge against your friends in a chocobo race, skilled shooting challenges, and indulge in festive treats! The festivities begin: EU & JP : 24th January 2017 (AM) NA : 23rd January 2017 (5PM PST) The carnival with new side quests, new outfits for Noctis, not to mention a spectacular fireworks show will only be available for a limited time so come celebrate with us! If you're enjoying the game, please make sure you download the Holiday Pack for a FREE Carnival Passport here: Microsoft: http://bit.ly/2jB1imy Sony: http://bit.ly/2jpENis I'm not 100% sure but I'm under the impression this is a real time limited event. Not something you see in single player games, maybe if this were FFXIV. Not that it seems you'll be missing out on anything worthwhile but still. I'm probably wrong though. |
| I need................. |
| So when's the next dlc coming? I wanna replay the story with new cutscenes |
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