| I wouldn't necessarily mind shifting my vote to deepinthelair before the end of the Day, if it's going to be needed. It does seem kind of suspicious he just vanished? Looking back at his previous posts, he isn't really adding anything to the discussion either. |
xNeko- said: Unvote Sorry about not removing the RVS vote, although I'm still a bit scared~ I am still trying to figure out who I can trust the most Welp, the best course of action might be to try and sort some of the active players. It's good to look at their mindset, and whether or not their words sound sneaky and misguiding, or genuine and true. Incoprate that into your gut feeling on whether or not you deem that person is possible scum. Another good thing to look at are tells, like spying on the thread from a distance and not really participating: lurking. For instance, Crossbell is lurking and it's scummy as all get out. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Crossbell said: wen said: Fair enough. I see that Plin has prior experience with mafia before (he said this is his fourth game?) so I'll assign it less weight.This doesn't really indicate anything. Even i faked posts like that in my first mafia game when i was scum. Given Plin knows what he's doing, even if he's not experienced he knows that it is expected of town to be suspicious. That is a basic concept of the game that you should know when you start it. Not trying to implicate that he therefore is scum, just saying it doesn't come close to proving that he's town. Plinius said: What purpose does this question serve? What information does it help you gain?What do you think about Lynching people on the first day? That are people that don't like it at all, depending on who is getting voted. deepinthelair said: What information are we going to gain by not lynching? If you believe this, then why are you not voting No Lynch?I don't think there is any real point to lynching of first day. I say this because, we need a bit more info before actually lynching. Milennin said: There is nothing stopping you from voting. What do you lose from voting early? Why do you want to vote later in the game?As long as I vote before the timer ends, it should be OK, correct? In which case, it would be better to wait to gather more information before voting right away? look at these. bookkeeping questions. completely nai, and that's what makes it scummy. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| ok, that last one was a bit of a joke, but there's still hidden truth to it |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| Catching up. |
uliratha said: Mornin everyone o/ let's do our best today, to find these scum~ I don't think you're going to find a lot of scum by being inactive and get close to lynching people with RVS votes that you didn't bother to change. |
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uliratha said: wen294 said: I don't think you're going to find a lot of scum by being inactive and get close to lynching people with RVS votes that you didn't bother to change. i'm not the one who posted that~ ^_^ i know i have been inactive, trying to catch up now. i'm just pointing out that deepinthelair seemed motivated but dropped off. derp, removed the wrong quote= bbcode. Fixed* |
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uliratha said: Other than the fact that he is inactive, do you have any other reasons for thinking of voting him? Like I said, the posts he did make didn't really contribute to anything, making it seem the little activity he does show is nothing but a distraction. But I guess we'll have to see if he's going to bother to defend himself before the timer ends, if not, then it probably means he just didn't have the time to play? Looking at his profile, he hasn't been online at all after he posted yesterday, so he can't have been lurking. I'd like for Soren to post an updated vote count before the Day ends. |
Crossbell said: Catching up. Are you real? |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
Yeah.... okey..... I know i said i started reading him as town but this is getting on my nerves. |
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Plinius said: OK. I was just asking because your question was mostly a theory question, and when I was trying to get into your head I couldn't see how that question helped you figure out deepinthelair's alignment.Tbh...I don't know, I just tried to do something that people tended to asked a lot on last game, which fired up a very nice discussion, I guess it didn't work here. People were very defensive on the "no lynching" theory, which in my opinion there should be a lynch no matter what, ofc it also affect the town since it help out the mafia closing the game faster. But since people here are not being very defensive about the "No lynch", in my eyes it means, people are very experienced and this is not even relevant, or non of the scum is getting most of the attention. LucianRoy said: Will get to this in my next post.Hold the phone Crossbell, you never followed up with why you voted Uli in the first place. You got your response, but from what end? wen said: You can require everyone to be active, but spending all of your time voting the lurkers and bemoaning about them isn't going to be productive.Well this is only my 3th game and first game as town so i gotta be honest that i'm not used to questioning people. Never did it before either so i simply don't know how to. Tbh I think we need everyone to be active and reasonably knowledgable of what they're doing before we can 'solve' the game. Also, you can just use change vote. That's a bit more clear than saying unvote vote. Like, scum will be posting in the thread as well, and townies can lurk. Why not use that energy and time to figure out who among us active players are scum or not? @DarkStyle: Why are you so focused on openly speculating what people's roles are? KOtA said: Hi.OOOO 7h left Why did you simply make this post and not contribute anything to discussion? LucianRoy said: I have been contributing and posting more that 70% of the thread. If so, why are you still labeling me as lurking? nother good thing to look at are tells, like spying on the thread from a distance and not really participating: lurking. For instance, Crossbell is lurking and it's scummy as all get out. (Spoilers: I often have MAL open when I'm absent-mindedly browsing through my mafia games, which is why I post "catching up" and am online). Using my online status to determine my alignment is kind of below the belt though. LucianRoy said: It's a bit rich of you to label my questions as "bookkeeping questions" when they're clearly questions aimed at getting more information into the thread and figuring out the alignments of the people I'm questioning.look at these. bookkeeping questions. completely nai, and that's what makes it scummy. |
| Actually, uliratha, have you caught up with the game yet? What are your reads? |
| People's thoughts on xNeko? (Not sure if I should direct my questions at people or just in general?) |
Milennin said: People's thoughts on xNeko? Still hardly anything that matters. He's been here but that's about all i can say about him. He seems to have no idea what he's doing, not sure how much of that is actually true. He could've used that as a reason to 'accidentaly' lynch Lucian by 'forgetting' to remove his 'RVS' vote. Then again he could genuinly have no idea what he's doing. |
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Milennin said: Neko is mostly devoid of content. He hasn't scumhunted or questioned anyone really at all.People's thoughts on xNeko? (Not sure if I should direct my questions at people or just in general?) Two things that make me think he might be town though (they are very easily fakable however): xNeko said: I like the phrasing "I haven't proven myself as a town". It reads very natural.Well I don't think anyone can trust me since I havn't proven myself as a town, I don't know how I would do that though. xNeko- said: Unvote Sorry about not removing the RVS vote, although I'm still a bit scared~ I am still trying to figure out who I can trust the most Doesn't know who to trust. Healthy paranoia here. So I think Neko is <rand town, but all of his posts are very easily fakable and again he hasn't done any scumhunting, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. |
| I'd be willing to lynch deep but the thing that bothers me is how many people are willing to lynch him. I'd expect a little more resistance if he was actually scum? |
Crossbell said: I'd expect a little more resistance if he was actually scum? My thoughts exactly. It's like he just doesn't have time to play the game, rather than lurking and waiting. |
Crossbell said: I'd be willing to lynch deep but the thing that bothers me is how many people are willing to lynch him. I'd expect a little more resistance if he was actually scum? He could at least say something. |
| And I'll be off, hoping to return sometime before deadline. Unvote, vote deepinthelair to get my vote somewhere useful. deepinthelair flaked as both alignments even though my gut says he's town. I'm kind of shooting randomly in a barrel here, hoping to find some scum, since I don't have a lot to determine actual alignments yet. Darn you, 48 hour Days. |
Crossbell said: @KOtA: You popped in to announce how much time we had left but did not contribute at all to the discussion. Why? XD , bc i was going to , but while i was reading i got distracted by other stuff and forgot what i was originally doing :P sorry |
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| I still don't know why Cross started pushing Uli, and looks to me like they jumped in on the inactive lynch quickly enough. Crossbell said: deepinthelair flaked as both alignments even though my gut says he's town. I'm kind of shooting randomly in a barrel here, hoping to find some scum, since I don't have a lot to determine actual alignments yet. Still don't know why you unvoted Wen. Still don't know why a good portion of your reasoning you've failed to disclose today. There are much better options for today, like lynching you, for one. I also find it hard to beleive you're now one of those people who resign themselves to saying "I don't have a lot to determine actual alignments yet." when that's p-much never been the case in any day one we've played in, and you've already pushed three people, and have a handful of townreads. Darn you, 48 hour Days. ha |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| i'm going to do this Change vote: Togs bc he's the least active member and TBH that (even though it's not 100% correct) makes you sound scummy (staying away from spotlight) |
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Crossbell said: I'd be willing to lynch deep but the thing that bothers me is how many people are willing to lynch him. I'd expect a little more resistance if he was actually scum? like, tf is this wifom man tf is "being worried with a lynch" this is not town cross |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| I'm also keeping my vote on Togs, for now. It seems he's online right now, but still hasn't posted anything since his one post yesterday. To me, he's more suspicious than deep, who's more likely inactive due to not being able to come online at all. |
Vote Count 1.5  deepinthelair (3): Plinius, wen294, Crossbell Crossbell (1): LucianRoy LucianRoy (2): deepinthelair, DarkStyle Togs (2): Milennin, KOtA Players Not Voting (4): Togs, shap111, xNeko-, uliratha Mod note: Sorry for the late vote count, I was outside today. For a majority lynch to take place, 7 votes on one player is required. Votes will be locked if this is achieved. If a majority lynch is not achieved, a plurality lynch will take place, meaning whoever has the highest votes will get lynched. >> Time Until Day 1 Ends << |
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uliratha said: Milennin said: I'm also keeping my vote on Togs, for now. It seems he's online right now, but still hasn't posted anything since his one post yesterday. To me, he's more suspicious than deep, who's more likely inactive due to not being able to come online at all. how do you know he can't come online, did i miss something? Because it's been like 20 hours since he's last been online if you check his profile. So, either he's completely forgot about the game and the site in general, or there's something preventing him from coming online, right? Also, deep currently has the most votes, so there's no reason not for him to come online and defend himself. Unlike Togs, who's still in the safe zone by doing nothing at all (plus, he was online just earlier without posting, despite the fact he's been mentioned several times in this thread after his last post). |
MilenninAug 26, 2016 12:38 PM
Crossbell said: LucianRoy said: I have been contributing and posting more that 70% of the thread. If so, why are you still labeling me as lurking?nother good thing to look at are tells, like spying on the thread from a distance and not really participating: lurking. For instance, Crossbell is lurking and it's scummy as all get out. (Spoilers: I often have MAL open when I'm absent-mindedly browsing through my mafia games, which is why I post "catching up" and am online). Using my online status to determine my alignment is kind of below the belt though. Because I know your type, and though you deny checking the thread when the green text comes on, I know you're checking the thread. I kid, mostly. That part isn't real. Even if this isn't the case, your play feels detached, and somewhat inattentive compared to the standard town play I've seen in the past from you. To think that you're still keeping up with the game, and playing pretty half-strength, gives the impression that either you're indifferent, or lurking in the sense of "how much effort do I really need to put in this game" "Lurk lurk lurk" might be your resignation to the idea more than a joke, which is why I actually pointed it out as kinda scummy. Like, who does that, and then actually lurks. LucianRoy said: It's a bit rich of you to label my questions as "bookkeeping questions" when they're clearly questions aimed at getting more information into the thread and figuring out the alignments of the people I'm questioning.look at these. bookkeeping questions. completely nai, and that's what makes it scummy. Crossbell said: wen said: Fair enough. I see that Plin has prior experience with mafia before (he said this is his fourth game?) so I'll assign it less weight.This doesn't really indicate anything. Even i faked posts like that in my first mafia game when i was scum. Given Plin knows what he's doing, even if he's not experienced he knows that it is expected of town to be suspicious. That is a basic concept of the game that you should know when you start it. Not trying to implicate that he therefore is scum, just saying it doesn't come close to proving that he's town. Old points for old reads for old just-gettin-outta-RVS posts. But what do I know, I'm not exactly clued in on whether or not your read on him progressed. Plinius said: What purpose does this question serve? What information does it help you gain?What do you think about Lynching people on the first day? That are people that don't like it at all, depending on who is getting voted. same question deepinthelair said: What information are we going to gain by not lynching? If you believe this, then why are you not voting No Lynch?I don't think there is any real point to lynching of first day. I say this because, we need a bit more info before actually lynching. Dealing with new players thinking no-lynching is good. Standard stuff really, thus why I classed it as nai, thus why I classed it as the bad kinda nai that I don't see getting to the point of how you will read this person. Milennin said: There is nothing stopping you from voting. What do you lose from voting early? Why do you want to vote later in the game?As long as I vote before the timer ends, it should be OK, correct? In which case, it would be better to wait to gather more information before voting right away? This is just like, a segway question into a theory drop. Still don't see how this question will draw any kind of response from him that could be judged as "town" or "scum" above "new". |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| what are we gonna do if it turns out that deep is the cop and he can't defend now?... |
| Ok sorry boys for barely being active yesterday, I’ll make it up by posting all the way until the deadline. Partly, but mostly because he said he wanted to no-lynch Day 1. Ofc it’s a bad idea but I find wanting to no lynch is a common tell among town players who don’t really know how to get in to scumhunting. Since he’s somewhat under the microscope I’ll just lay out EVERYTHING I know about his meta. It’s true that in his previous scum games Crossbell has tended to post less / with less content in his posts. However, it’s true that he’s in 3 other games simultaneously so that would understandably cause him to be able to post less. In my eyes his activity is null. It’s worth noting that he hasn’t been scum in a really long time (9 town games in a row on MAL plus all town games on other sites this year), so it’s entirely possible his scum game has improved or changed in some way since I’ve last seen it. Personally, I think his posting so far has been towny but it’s within the range that I think he could conceivably fake as scum. I’d feel a lot more confident reading him over a few Days instead of just one though since if he’s scum I don’t think he’d be able to keep it up over time. There is one slight thing that jumped out at me though, and that his post #203. All 3 of the people he tags have already given their reasons for voting, and the question is already asked and answered in the thread. (Essentially a useless question) It kind of feels like his goal is actually to flaunt his townread on Lucian rather than progress the game. |
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DarkStyle said: what are we gonna do if it turns out that deep is the cop and he can't defend now?... Ask the people on the train. Specifically Crossbell. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
DarkStyle said: what are we gonna do if it turns out that deep is the cop and he can't defend now?... What would you say are the chances he's the cop? |
Milennin said: DarkStyle said: what are we gonna do if it turns out that deep is the cop and he can't defend now?... What would you say are the chances he's the cop? 1/12. |
| Bless up to Togs |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
| Where my reads stand rn, might explain them tomorrow with more time. TR Dark and Shap Town lean: KOta, Uli , Neutral: Togs, Wen, and probably Miles Strong Null: Neko SR: Crossbell, Penta I think wen moved to a neutral from a town lean. Dark's one of my strongest Townreads, though he's misguided with the logic he wants to lynch me with. Yeah, I'll do the rest later. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
DarkStyle said: what are we gonna do if it turns out that deep is the cop and he can't defend now?... Well he's not doing cop things now either. |
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| Oh wait, we still got an hour. Guess I can explain some of them now. |
| "If you look for a ghost, you'll find one." |
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