| This show's hype is easily comparable to Guilty Crown and Sword Art Online. Before we know it, it's already ranked top 20 on this site. While I don't think it fully deserves to be ranked this high, I must say that it's still a very good series so far. The anime original scenes actually managed to accentuate the dark tone by delivering a sense of despair; it really excels at establishing atmosphere. My current verdict is that this show is not overrated, and is currently living up to the hype [thanks to the source material being great]. |
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| If there's a neutral button then I'd vote for that. There's still a lot of space for it to improve upon, but for now it's hard to tell. Still, Top 20 with just 5 episodes alone is a little bit ridiculous :p |
StellioMay 17, 2013 3:48 PM
| Lol true. Then again, this is MAL we're talking about here. An 8 or a 9 average means little if you consider that most users on this site don't adhere to the 1-10 rating scale. I voted no for now because so far it hasn't been disappointing like Guilty Crown or SAO. |
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| Honestly, I had to vote "yes" only because I don't believe that it is yet qualified for everyone to rate it so highly. It is excellent at the moment, and has truly impressed me, but I realized that these sorts of early judgments either carry on throughout the entire series and may delude the viewer of the actual merits of a series or severely disappoint a viewer with later flaws or flops. Therefore, I believe that people should really reserve judgments, especially before ranting or raving early on in the series. Some are adamant (not in a good way) when writing their reviews and end up upholding to their initial impressions without counting later factors in the series. Thankfully, I've found that, at least for the most prominent users, the reviewers here on MAL are largely not included in this category. I would suggest that people start making the scores, reviews, rants, fangirling/boying, and whatnot at least after half of the series + one episode or so are done (not pertaining to long ongoing series such as One Piece). But I am also one who has committed these things that I am suggesting against, so I will go quietly now. Hopefully, it's evident through my writing that I am always inclined to assert and justify my opinions, that I don't shut up, and that I appreciate my overrating at a minimum. @Dashiawia Very true haha |
domofication said: Honestly, I had to vote "yes" only because I don't believe that it is yet qualified for everyone to rate it so highly. It is excellent at the moment, and has truly impressed me, but I realized that these sorts of early judgments either carry on throughout the entire series and may delude the viewer of the actual merits of a series or severely disappoint a viewer with later flaws or flops. Therefore, I believe that people should really reserve judgments, especially before ranting or raving early on in the series. Some are adamant (not in a good way) when writing their reviews and end up upholding to their initial impressions without counting later factors in the series. Thankfully, I've found that, at least for the most prominent users, the reviewers here on MAL are largely not included in this category. I would suggest that people start making the scores, reviews, rants, fangirling/boying, and whatnot at least after half of the series + one episode or so are done (not pertaining to long ongoing series such as One Piece). But I am also one who has committed these things that I am suggesting against, so I will go quietly now. Hopefully, it's evident through my writing that I am always inclined to assert and justify my opinions, that I don't shut up, and that I appreciate my overrating at a minimum. @Dashiawia Very true haha Yeah. I also think it's a good idea for users to assign ratings after at least having seen half of the series. Then again, I myself score anime whenever I drop them, even ones I've only watched 1 episode of, so I probably shouldn't be talking here, lol. That being said, MAL users do typically overrate the popular shows quite a bit. Shingeki's probably overrated for being in the top 10 already, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still a brilliant adaptation that very few shows can match (so far, at least). |
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| On a 1-10 scale, I'm seeing this anime to be ~6, 7 at best. No way is this show (and its original manga) a masterpiece level material. Below are comments only on the anime, not the manga. I have to admit the music is very good, but its still not good enough to be "excellent" in my book. The music reinforces the situation fairly well, but non are memorable. (Dashiawia should have an idea of what extremely memorable music is for me) On the off side, the visual element is quite the downer. Over detailed eye design for main character, plain circles for NPC (non important civilians), shadows drawn using widely spaced lines, over sexualized lips on all female (god dam make up your mind are you freaking planning to draw something detailed or are you low on your artwork budget). Often at times I feel like watching Trunks from DBZ staring at a bunch of frightened chiwawas. Characters... at least Eren is no longer a whiny little brat thank goodness. Most characters though are only alittle more than generic. Non of the characters left a solid deep impression for me, cept maybe the 1st time you meet the potato girl. (well why waste time developing a character when they're going to be titan chow soon anyways) Plot, asume the 25 episode holds, no way is the plot going anywhere far. More likely it will end on a cliff hanger while barely conveyed much information to the audience. So... trend nowadays is rating season 1 on something that will happen in season 2, and rate season 2 on what will happen in season 3? So... good music + bad visual + meh character + plot going almost nowhere... Without the hype at best it would be a 7 on a 1-10 scale, or a 8 on 5-10 scale. |
leiwu1991May 28, 2013 1:29 AM
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
| Is it overrated? Each week, I'm given a complimentary three minute recap prior to the start of each episode, because the writers assume that the onset of imminent Alzheimer's may lessen my enjoyment of the show [or they're trying to save money]. They do this is in a format that makes it difficult to skip instantly; it's not a recap followed by an instant opening [in which case, you could skip past the opening, or to], but there's often a few seconds of novel material integrated within the recap [so skipping it isn't always the best idea]. Then we have our developments. The show tends to be paced awfully; during some episodes, all we get are accentuated, grim pans to the countenances of the general staff, nothing really develops. Of course, this would be an instrumental tool in setting the mood, in crafting the despair so essential to the ultimate success of the show; but when you do it consistently, it loses its purpose, and it gets a little annoying, even somewhat pretentious ["Just so you know, this show is dark, so have some more deaths"]. Then there's the general way the plot heads to. I'm not the biggest fan of sloppy storytelling when you're trying to get within the top ten rank on MAL. Eren's sudden evolution into a titan during that episode wasn't quite foreshadowed; of course, the next episode immediately went something along the lines of "his father injected him with chemicals when he was a kid"; and previously, it was revealed that he had something to show him during the first episode [with the key]. I probably would have preferred more fluidity in presentation, like actually giving something tangible beforehand than trying to explain it afterwards [whether this berates the source, or the demarcation of the adaptation, I don't know]. We also can't forget the past between Eren and Mikasa. While instrumental in setting up the symbolic relationship between the two, it was done in a way that was awfully flamboyant, and blatant. It's like saying "just so you know, these two are literally tied by chains of blood." I don't have a problem with Mikasa stabbing a person to save herself [and to prove herself to Eren], but it's a little disconcerting when Eren manages to track down the house beforehand on his own [isn't Mikasa typically the kid that protects him? How could he track down a house on his own, while managing to instinctively, without a second thought, commit a few murders]. And it's also a little dumb for the bandits to be so easily overpowered. We also can't forget that the show tends to leave off on cliffhangers during each, and every episode -- it's not only awful at pacing in drawing things out for the longest time, but it tends to do it so that not only little develops in a noticeable portion of the episodes, but most of those result in cliffhangers. Rating-wise, it should probably be around the mid 8s on MAL's scale. This sort of inflation isn't exactly uncommon, but I don't expect it to fall below the upper-mid 8s, unless something dumb happens with the adaptation [a mid 8 is still the safest score]. |
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| @mdz I don't really think the show's pretentious in its portrayal of absolute despair; it is done to remind us that they're fighting a battle for survival, and that the weak [humans] are nothing but food for the strong [titans]. As for Eren's sudden transformation reveal, I agree that it's not foreshadowed well, but at least they put up a reasonable explanation afterwards. You also have to remember that most of the mysteries have yet to be resolved even in the source material, so there's still a good chance things will make sense by the end of it. I'm not sure what to think of the scene where Eren murdered those guys as a child; it certainly feels surreal and questionable. Ah well, I didn't mind it too much, since it is supposed to be a shounen after all [a deux ex machina is almost bound to appear in one form or another at some point]. I don't love the recaps at the very beginning of each episode either, they feel awfully redundant [the animators probably wanted to save money]. I don't see this show's rating in the low 9s by the time it finishes, unless it picks up the pace and ends amazingly. It'll probably stay in the mid-high 8s range eventually [which isn't really all that inflated for MAL, considering that it has the tendency to overrate nearly everything]. |
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Dashiawia said: I don't really think the show's pretentious in its portrayal of absolute despair; it is done to remind us that they're fighting a battle for survival, and that the weak [humans] are nothing but food for the strong [titans]. Not at all, it just want to highlight that eren's the shin of the Shingeki verse, and with his asspull powerup and ignorant and bitching personality, he's humanity's last hope. (yeah.... ) Dashiawia said: As for Eren's sudden transformation reveal, I agree that it's not foreshadowed well, but at least they put up a reasonable explanation afterwards. Oh same argument can be used for the fight Yumichika vs Charlotte Chuhlhourne. "I hid this cause squad 11 is manly and I'll be kicked out if I showed this to them". Asspull is still asspull. When the asspull was pull out, no matter how good an explanation was given afterwards, it still won't erase the fact an asspull has been pulled Dashiawia said: I'm not sure what to think of the scene where Eren murdered those guys as a child; Lord of the Flies anyone? Dashiawia said: I don't see this show's rating in the low 9s by the time it finishes, unless it picks up the pace and ends amazingly. Name 1 show that has an out-of-this-world-11/10-rating anime-original ending, cause I don't think it exist (RIP claymore). On that note, the shop would probably end on a stupid cliffhanger, just like almost every episode does, so yeah... "seen it... seen it... seen it... SUSPENSE????NAHHHH" /boredom troll on Dashiawia |
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
| @leiwu1991 >Not at all, it just want to highlight that eren's the shin of the Shingeki verse, and with his asspull powerup and ignorant and bitching personality, he's humanity's last hope. (yeah.... ) Well, he IS the freaking protagonist, and given how much crisis the people are in, who else should logically take on the role of the Messiah? You're being awfully picky here >.< >Oh same argument can be used for the fight Yumichika vs Charlotte Chuhlhourne. "I hid this cause squad 11 is manly and I'll be kicked out if I showed this to them". Asspull is still asspull. When the asspull was pull out, no matter how good an explanation was given afterwards, it still won't erase the fact an asspull has been pulled Depends on what you consider as asspulls. To me, his transformation into a titan is a bit lacking in creativity [although we do have to keep in mind that this is still a shounen series], but it's nonetheless a logical power-up if you consider the power difference between humans and titans; it usually takes several regular soldiers to take out a single titan. Though arguing on the basis of whether this is a true asspull is kinda moot, not to mention heavily dependent on our bias. >Lord of the Flies anyone? Pretty much. >Name 1 show that has an out-of-this-world-11/10-rating anime-original ending, cause I don't think it exist (RIP claymore). On that note, the shop would probably end on a stupid cliffhanger, just like almost every episode does, so yeah... "seen it... seen it... seen it... SUSPENSE????NAHHHH" None exists as far as I know. But who says the anime has to have an original ending? It could very well follow the manga and stop at a reasonable place. Then again, I'm probably being overly optimistic. We'll just have to wait and see. A cliffhanger ending is likely to occur; if it does happen, I'll be dropping the score. :3 |
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| "An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing or dropping a Chekhov's Gun earlier on." By that definition, the titan power is so definitely an asspull. How did he even have time to meet his father when he was immediately put onto the boat anyways? |
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
| > By that definition, the titan power is so definitely an asspull. How did he even have time to meet his father when he was immediately put onto the boat anyways? I don't know, it might not be an asspull depending on later developments; we don't have enough information to deem it as one yet, since the story is still ongoing. Maybe his dad met up with him sometime after the boat landed. If you recall, there was a time gap that we have no idea what transpired, from the time when Eren escaped on the boat to when he became a cadet in training. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he might have met his dad during that time gap. I think there's a good chance his dad will play a significant role later with unravelling the mystery behind the titans. Of course, this is nothing more than a conjecture, but until there's contradicting evidence against this hypothesis, I'm sticking with it. :3 |
DashiawiaJul 10, 2013 2:17 PM
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thrillhouse said: leiwu1991 said: On a 1-10 scale, I'm seeing this anime to be ~6, 7 at best. No way is this show (and its original manga) a masterpiece level material. Below are comments only on the anime, not the manga. I have to admit the music is very good, but its still not good enough to be "excellent" in my book. The music reinforces the situation fairly well, but non are memorable. (Dashiawia should have an idea of what extremely memorable music is for me) On the off side, the visual element is quite the downer. Over detailed eye design for main character, plain circles for NPC (non important civilians), shadows drawn using widely spaced lines, over sexualized lips on all female (god dam make up your mind are you freaking planning to draw something detailed or are you low on your artwork budget). Often at times I feel like watching Trunks from DBZ staring at a bunch of frightened chiwawas. Characters... at least Eren is no longer a whiny little brat thank goodness. Most characters though are only alittle more than generic. Non of the characters left a solid deep impression for me, cept maybe the 1st time you meet the potato girl. (well why waste time developing a character when they're going to be titan chow soon anyways) Plot, asume the 25 episode holds, no way is the plot going anywhere far. More likely it will end on a cliff hanger while barely conveyed much information to the audience. So... trend nowadays is rating season 1 on something that will happen in season 2, and rate season 2 on what will happen in season 3? So... good music + bad visual + meh character + plot going almost nowhere... Without the hype at best it would be a 7 on a 1-10 scale, or a 8 on 5-10 scale. Exactly how I feel and I'm really glad I came across this thread. It really irritates me seeing people squawk over "how good" an anime is - especially back when only 3 episodes had been released. I feel the pacing is dreadful and find many of the characters detestable, they come across as mere props used to continue the story instead of living, feeling human beings trapped in this other-worldly situation. Musically; the new OP is one that I skip every time because I cannot stand the vocals - very ill-fitting compared to its predecessor. It has its redeeming qualities, however, considering I am still watching it an eager to find out more. Unlike many people here I am not a huge anime / manga buff so I guess my opinion will be discredited by some - at the end of the day it is subjective to your own taste - I just am sick of seeing fanboys/girls blowing this out of proportion before the first season is even over. Am I irrational? Am I jumping to conclusions and being cynical? I hope not. Not at all. You're perfectly rational. There are plenty of people out there who dislike AoT, whether it's due to the characters or to the plot. While I personally find this show to be very good, I do admit that it has its fair deal of flaws. It's just a matter of how you perceive those flaws. I find the characters' behaviours to be consistent and realistic, albeit not always enjoyable. Mikasa is probably the only character I truly like in this series, due to her undying devotion to the one she cares about. I can see why many would hate Eren for his angsty attitude, and Armin for his cowardice, but those traits are what define their characters for me. It's totally cool to have your own opinion -- I fully respect that. Heck, some shows may just not be your cup of tea, and it can be kinda frustrating when many others praise them incessantly. I'd like to think that I don't give in to hype very easily, yet I was able to enjoy AoT nonetheless. Perhaps reading the manga beforehand made the anime experience all the more enjoyable [the manga tells the story a bit differently, mainly using flashbacks to fill in the gap as opposed to the anime's chronological format]. Oh and having seen only a few titles does not in any way make your opinion less valid. An opinion is an opinion. There's no definite right or wrong in an opinion, only good or bad arguments [which can be subjective or objective]. |
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| fanboy right there ^ :P I'd like to think that I don't give in to hype very easily But so far you've gave in to hype on SAO and Shingeki, just that for sao you changed your opinion quickly right before it hit the ALO arc :o |
leiwu1991Jul 17, 2013 10:14 AM
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
leiwu1991 said: fanboy right there ^ :P I'd like to think that I don't give in to hype very easily But so far you've gave in to hype on SAO and Shingeki, just that for sao you changed your opinion quickly right before it hit the ALO arc :o Coming from the guy who has Sora no Otoshimono as a 10... =p And no, I changed my mind about SAO after it hit the ALO arc. Also, what makes you think hype has any bearing on my ratings? Certain hyped shows like Madoka Magica are objectively excellent in writing, while others like SAO are simply liked for having "cool" characters. If I truly gave in to hype everytime, then Guilty Crown and Evangelion would have been rated much, much higher. :3 |
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Dashiawia said: leiwu1991 said: fanboy right there ^ :P I'd like to think that I don't give in to hype very easily But so far you've gave in to hype on SAO and Shingeki, just that for sao you changed your opinion quickly right before it hit the ALO arc :o Coming from the guy who has Sora no Otoshimono as a 10... =p wooh wooh wooh, if a manga has a scene where obama shake hand with bin laden signaling world peace it freaking deserves the 10 rating :3 Tell me if this sound like your average fanboy :o "There are plenty of people out there who dislike "......" (i'm sure you can fill in the blank), whether it's due to the characters or to the plot. While I personally find this show to be very good, I do admit that it has its fair deal of flaws. It's just a matter of how you perceive those flaws. I find the characters' behaviours AND PLOT to be consistent and realistic, albeit not always enjoyable. Orihime is probably the only character I truly like in this series, due to her undying devotion to the one she cares about. I can see why many would hate Ichigo for his badassness, and Chad for his complete uselessness, but those traits are what define their characters for me. " |
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
| > wooh wooh wooh, if a manga has a scene where obama shake hand with bin laden signaling world peace it freaking deserves the 10 rating :3 A single epic scene automatically makes a masterpiece manga now, huh? :o > Tell me if this sound like your average fanboy :o "There are plenty of people out there who dislike "......" (i'm sure you can fill in the blank), whether it's due to the characters or to the plot. While I personally find this show to be very good, I do admit that it has its fair deal of flaws. It's just a matter of how you perceive those flaws. I find the characters' behaviours AND PLOT to be consistent and realistic, albeit not always enjoyable. Orihime is probably the only character I truly like in this series, due to her undying devotion to the one she cares about. I can see why many would hate Ichigo for his badassness, and Chad for his complete uselessness, but those traits are what define their characters for me. " Way to insert a bottom tier shounen into your false accusation. Last time I checked, Shingeki no Kyojin >>> Bleach in plot, characters, and atmosphere. And you still can't seem to differentiate between a fan and a fanboy. You do know that a fanboy refuses to listen to reason, right? Whereas a fan is willing to acknowledge the flaws in a show that he likes and won't simply rate everything as 10s and 9s. In contrast, I already see that you have TWGOK S3 as a 10, despite the apparent fast facing and its omission of the previous build-up conquest arcs. Simply put, it's already missing the ingredients that made the Goddess arc awesome in the manga. Without build-up, I don't see how the Goddess arc can be truly great. |
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| And I still have shingeki as a 1 dropped status, but I'm just too lazy to change the rating every single time some new ep come out so I'll just do a final change once the thing are over. I don't regard TWGOK as a true 10 show either, but the 1st ep and OP is truely great. And now onto TWGOK. Fast pacing? Its fine with me. Provided that I read the goddess arc at least 3 times I'm not finding any missing information so why would the faster pacing bother me. Would you rather they have a 5 minute "haqua san <3.... keima-kun <3..... haqua sannnnnn<3...... keimaaaaaaaa kunnnnnn <3" per episode to slow down the pacing? In fact, the pacing is just right. 1st ep is introduce idea that Kanon has apollo inside her body, and then she get stabbed. In the manga that's chapter 114 - 117. 45 pages worth of manga for 20 minute of show how's that any rushed? Second episode is 118-125. Yes 7 chapters but if you leave out useless confirmations of unimportant girls who got skipped over, as well as training Elsie to be Idol as well as Elsie acting like the Dunce she is on TV, its still the fair amount of material that can be and should be covered in 1 ep Comparing that with the snail pace shingeki have, I literally have to skip the 1st 5 minutes of each ep for the not-more-than-useless recaps, and freaking useless and supposedly "character-development" scenes such as when Armin call out to Eren. Basically that entire episode the only important thing happened is he tried to punch Mikasa in titan form, blew up his own head, and sat down, and then the elite squad try to cover him. 20 MIN OF STUFF EASILY DONE IN 5 NOW THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVE PROBLEM WITH. Overexagerating it alittle git it would feel like watching Cell and Gohan charge up their Kamehameha for 3 episodes YAWN. And skipped over conquests..... Only one that is of importance is Yui and Tsukiyo, and even then Tsukiyo's capture arc is quite boring so the only good "build-up" missing to the goddess arc is Yui's counter conquest. Also if you think logically, Goddess arc backstory is that some girls Keima conquered before may contain Goddesses. So the only build up it runs on is the result that all girls with goddesses were already conquered by Keima once when the story 1st began. Why would the process of conquering those girls matter when all you need is the result from it？ Edit: Lol you wana see a show that's rushed? Kamisama no Inai Nichiyoubi. 1st episode is chapter1-6 (total 143 pages), second episode 7-14 (160 pages), 3rd episode, so far manga version i'm reading haven't even caught up with it yet. The story was so badly rushed they skipped over 70% of the scenes in the manga, and some of them quite important, as well as killed any suspense the manga has built up for me up to now. |
leiwu1991Jul 20, 2013 11:38 PM
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
leiwu1991 said: And I still have shingeki as a 1 dropped status, but I'm just too lazy to change the rating every single time some new ep come out so I'll just do a final change once the thing are over. I don't regard TWGOK as a true 10 show either, but the 1st ep and OP is truely great. And now onto TWGOK. Fast pacing? Its fine with me. Provided that I read the goddess arc at least 3 times I'm not finding any missing information so why would the faster pacing bother me. Would you rather they have a 5 minute "haqua san <3.... keima-kun <3..... haqua sannnnnn<3...... keimaaaaaaaa kunnnnnn <3" per episode to slow down the pacing? In fact, the pacing is just right. 1st ep is introduce idea that Kanon has apollo inside her body, and then she get stabbed. In the manga that's chapter 114 - 117. 45 pages worth of manga for 20 minute of show how's that any rushed? Second episode is 118-125. Yes 7 chapters but if you leave out useless confirmations of unimportant girls who got skipped over, as well as training Elsie to be Idol as well as Elsie acting like the Dunce she is on TV, its still the fair amount of material that can be and should be covered in 1 ep Comparing that with the snail pace shingeki have, I literally have to skip the 1st 5 minutes of each ep for the not-more-than-useless recaps, and freaking useless and supposedly "character-development" scenes such as when Armin call out to Eren. Basically that entire episode the only important thing happened is he tried to punch Mikasa in titan form, blew up his own head, and sat down, and then the elite squad try to cover him. 20 MIN OF STUFF EASILY DONE IN 5 NOW THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVE PROBLEM WITH. Overexagerating it alittle git it would feel like watching Cell and Gohan charge up their Kamehameha for 3 episodes YAWN. And skipped over conquests..... Only one that is of importance is Yui and Tsukiyo, and even then Tsukiyo's capture arc is quite boring so the only good "build-up" missing to the goddess arc is Yui's counter conquest. Also if you think logically, Goddess arc backstory is that some girls Keima conquered before may contain Goddesses. So the only build up it runs on is the result that all girls with goddesses were already conquered by Keima once when the story 1st began. Why would the process of conquering those girls matter when all you need is the result from it？ Edit: Lol you wana see a show that's rushed? Kamisama no Inai Nichiyoubi. 1st episode is chapter1-6 (total 143 pages), second episode 7-14 (160 pages), 3rd episode, so far manga version i'm reading haven't even caught up with it yet. The story was so badly rushed they skipped over 70% of the scenes in the manga, and some of them quite important, as well as killed any suspense the manga has built up for me up to now. I may have been overly harsh on TWGOK's adaptation. Most of that stems from the anime leaving out other conquests prior to the Goddess arc [which I believed to be important for his character development prior to our last discussion]. But even leaving that aside, what I don't like is how they summarized Yui and Tsukiyo's conquests in 5 minutes. I believe a proper 2 episode OVA, akin to the Tenri arc OVA, would have worked wonders had they been released prior to season 3. Moreover, there were also some strange alterations in the anime, like the scene where it was Lune who stabbed Kanon instead of Fiore. While that may not be a big deal for now, it could lead to some trouble later down the road if the anime decides to go original with it. (Keep in mind that I have not finished reading the arc, so do excuse me if my assumptions are erroneous). Yes, it's clear as day that Shingeki's pacing has been a tad slower than it needs to be. I don't think it's as bad as you're making it out to be, though. At the very least, it's staying true to the manga, as well as accentuating some of the fear instilled into the soldiers. If there's one thing I like the most about the show, it'd be the setting and atmosphere. It also helps that the artwork in the anime looks far better than the manga's art, not to mention the high budget spent on the animation sequences makes it aesthetically pleasing to the eyes. Last but not least, Shingeki's soundtrack is awesome; seriously, the tracks are used accordingly with the scenes, which to me make them more powerful compared to the manga. So while it's true that the unnecessary slow pacing hurts the anime, it also possesses qualities that exceed the manga. I disagree with you here. If you only look at the result of those conquests, then it would make the process utterly meaningless. TWGOK wouldn't be nearly as engaging if you take out the progress of his conquests. For one, you wouldn't care much for the heroine if you're an anime only viewer, since her story is condensed into 2-3 minutes. It might not matter to a manga reader like you, but if you were to evaluate it critically then it's clearly a detriment. I'm glad I didn't read the manga for KnIN now, lol. Pretty sure the anime is an adaptation of the LN instead of the manga, though. As of now I like the anime for its intriguing setting and cute female lead. Episode 3 also had some nice drama, albeit I don't know how the show would fare without its (supposed) male lead. You hate it that much already, huh? Another 1/10 in your collection... :3 Why haven't you dropped it yet? :o Edit: Just finished the Goddess arc and really enjoyed it. It would seem that Fiore's role in this arc isn't as prominent as I thought, and with that, the anime's changes may prove to be negligible after all. |
DashiawiaJul 23, 2013 10:05 AM
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Syrion said: theres plenty of shows with 11/10 endings Whaaaaaaaa? |
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
Syrion said: leiwu1991 said: Syrion said: theres plenty of shows with 11/10 endings Whaaaaaaaa? obviously u've never seen amnesia True I haven't seen the show to comment, but with that aside, notify the oxiford english dictionary that the word "plenty" has now been redefined as "one" Edit: Score: 6.621 (scored by 18147 users) wow that score is 0.379 lower than that piece of trash called Qwaser. For the community of MAL that people rate on a 5-10 scale getting a mid 6 means that its utterly horrible are you sure the ending 11/10 cause the entire show is so bad that the ending actually seem legit to be called average? |
leiwu1991Jul 30, 2013 12:50 PM
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
Mortsyn said: Saying that something is overrated is very subjective, as that will vary from person to person. But if someone were to ask me if it were, I'd most likely say "yes." However, do I think it's bad? Not at all. I'd say that it's above average but not quite in my "good" area. So it's just somewhere in between. Though I will say that my opinion of it has greatly fallen after episode 8, because of it becoming more predictable and mainly because the pace has slowed down greatly. It also suffers from an insane amount of still shots, which has increased a lot with every episode that passes, to the point where we might as well just call it Attack on Still shots. Here is a brief list of my positives and negatives with the show: + Animation fight quality + OST (Dem openings!) + Setting + Interesting premise and plot with plenty of twists and turns + Very impactful at times + Can keep you at the edge of your seat - Severe amounts of still shots - Becomes more predictable - Unlikeable/stereotypical characters - Falls to typical Shounen aspects at times - Very slow pace - Can feel a bit too "try hard" - Excluding the Abnormals, the Titans aren't really frightening due to their Zombie like behaviour True, the still shots are painfully annoying at times, and should be reduced in future episodes. There's also the recurring 3 minute recaps at the beginning of each episode in the first half of the series, which can be pretty irritating for many. Thankfully, the second half seemed to have fixed that bad habit. This show is about a 7.5/10 for me right now; it's consistently entertaining, and the production values/soundtracks are fabulous, but it's ultimately limited by its not so impressive plot and characters. I may be a little biased towards it, though, since I did like the manga considerably when I read it prior to the anime's debut. Admittedly, it's starting to feel a bit "overrated" now. |
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mangoseller said: other shows with 11/10 endings: doraemon, rosario to vampire, steins;gate Doraemon has no official ending, (mangaka died before it was complete) rosario's ending is complete asspull out of nowhere Steins;gate.... i don't have problem with it but at best its a 10/10. btw, why are we discussing 11/10 ending anyways? no way shingeki is going to have a 11/10 anime original ending. At the pace the anime's going, at best i'll finish after the female titan. That ending will most likely be a cliff hanger (the most basic element to a perfect ending is it COMPLETES the story). But sure, give me some other 11/10 ending |
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
Syrion said: dude u've never seen the doraemon true ending? though i guess its kinda hard to find online That's fan made ending, about Doraemon's battery ran out and Nobita started working hard to try to revive him. "When the Fujiko Fujio duo broke up in 1987, the very idea of an official ending to the series was never discussed. Since Fujiko F. died in 1996 before any decisions were reached, any "endings" of Doraemon are fan fiction. However, it is apparent from many anime episodes and movies where Nobita travels to the future that in the end he does marry Shizuka, leads a happy life and separates with Doraemon, although Nobita and his friends fondly remember him." |
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
| Can't see something that's non-existent sorry |
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
| Allow me to chime in here. First, these 11/10 ratings...to which I can't say I legitimately comprehend...are somewhat puzzling. As stated before, I believe that most series should be left unrated until complete, and if a certain anime does have a masterpiece of an ending (or as referred to in this thread, the 11/10 ending), one should first take into account what he/she found weak about the series (note that this is subjective) before passing judgment. For example, I found Death Note's ending to be brilliantly executed. However, I did find parts I was not satisfied at all with in the anime, and therefore gave it a 7 rating (now before responding with disagreement, please recall that this is an example and not meant to divert the thread's actual subject to which I do promise to return; if you wish to make me eat these words and blasphemy against Death Note, we can settle this on a PM conversation, a new thread of Domofication vs. MAL, or in front of the saloon at high noon). I implore you to reserve final judgment as it skews both one's enjoyment and score of the show. I myself have made the error of doing so on two anime series (coincidentally, the only two series for which I have posted my review on MAL). Returning to Shingeki no Kyojin, at the moment I find nothing overly offensive besides the character development. It's choppy and inconsistent at the moment, and definitely could be executed much better. I understand the plot is not yet deserving of the overly done praise showered upon it, but it's strong enough in its own regard. In summary, the anime would be so much stronger had it been blessed with a tad more consistently. Let me leave you with a quote. "Scores are just numbers. Anyone has the liberty to spout out numbers, or be swayed by statistics. Yet, at the end of the day, you have to ask yourselves. Why did I love it? Why did I hate it? That is your true judgment" (my overly pretentious brother) Forgive me if I sound condescending. I just write like this. I RESPECT YOU ALL! |
| Just finished, and i have never seen, that anime that starts soooooo i mean like sooooooo god damn strong falls so behind. It was so damn amazing like 10~~~ first episodes... more or less. |
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| Yeah. The pacing of the anime wasn't always consistent, felt a bit unnecessarily slow at times. I think the plot and characters are only decent, but what made it stand out is definitely the cool action scenes. Still, it wouldn't be far-fetched to call it overrated. |
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| yet you still have your vote on "no its not overrated" |
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
| Hmm, if there's a re-vote option, I'd change it. Oh well, at least I still found it to be a solid watch. |
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| Another interesting topic to share thoughts, great! This theme has been around my mind for several weeks, until I decided that I would let the first season ends so I can see the score at that time. Well, the time has come and Shingeki no kyoijin is on the 9th position, believe it or not. If the people that give such a score to this anime from the beginning, is the same people that already put Kuroko no Basket 2nd season on the 20th place, then the fans of this later show can feel secure about the final score of this title :D I only bring this up to remark the ridiculous high scores that some series get without arguments. Attack on Titan must be doing something very well to be a trending topic for Otakus everywhere; maybe one of this things they did very well was to create a story that we cannot think we have seen somewhere else. The originality of the story give it the project a very solid first step to start from, however, the creativity wasn’t as good during the middle part of the show. That was sad in deed TuT Another aspect I think is very well done is the way the story transmit basic emotions. The abominable idea of being eaten for life forms that are way more powerful than us, the human race; frustration, fear, humiliation, anger and hatred. Sometimes I felt overwhelmed by this feeling while reading the manga, and felt genuinely surprised when all of the sudden I realize I was feeling them. I think that is remarkable. On the other hand, complex, ambitious emotions are poorly display; empathy, happiness, jealousy and selfishness are not transmitted at all, when they have a chance on the plot. The fact that the writer couldn't pass that line demonstrate a great area of growth and development, that can become very handy for future works, but I don’t believe it can be shown during the this title. Well, I certainly love to read my own words, and this is getting too long XD I would like to take your attention to something rather important about this overrate or not vote. My personal score for this work would be around 8.30, and I recognize that there are several features that I consider are way above I consider “good stuff” (Damn openings!) but to give it almost 9, it’s not only overrated, frankly, it’s offensive. Some might think “how can you be offended for .70 points on the score”, well I think that’s a very good question, and the answer is that those .70 points put this anime above some master pieces like “Mushishi”, “Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann”, “Cowboy beebop”, “Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Kenkaku Romantan – Tsuiokuhen” and another uncountable titles that AoT is not even close to when we talk about mastery. It has been really enjoyable to write these lines, and I hope you find them equally fun to read, and if you have some thoughts about it I would really like to read you too. Obviously my vote is… chaaaa cha chaaaaaaan ..Overrated! Regards and best of luck to all :D |
Tabriz_GateOct 16, 2013 9:02 PM
| Hmm.... interesting. Reading your review, you listed all good quality, say you liked it very much, and then come to the conclusion that its overrated... overexagerate it abit, and it sound like the Highschool DXD review I read afew days ago. "I love all aspect of it, it got GREAT "PLOT", great character design, and ALOT OF OPPAIS which I like, so I'm going to give it a 1 cause I hate it". Your reason for that 0.7 point is quite weak as well. Anyways on topic, 1st of all the plot for global apocalypse is not unique. In fact, alot of more materials handle it alot better than SnK. MLA is the 1st thing I come up with up the top of my head, but I'm sure I can find alot more if you ask for it. So you get my point Yes I agree people cannot be completely objective. Our objective judgements have more or less subjective parts to them. To try to minimize those subjective effect, me and Dashiawia used a fairly more objective scale that look like this: character: /15 plot: /15 -- these 2 traits are much easier to be argued objectively so we give them higher weight music: /5 art: /5 --these 2 are pretty much completely subjective, so they're given less weight enjoyment: /10 just to make the total score out of /50 So now using it. Character, I'll split 10 points for main cast and 5 for support. Main char... Eren is the most annoying main lead ever since shinji and shin. Mikasa, as I've posted somewhere she's 50% dere "Oh Eren wherefore are thou Eren" and 50% yan "YOU HURT EREN I'LL KILL YOU" and nothing else. Armin is not that impressive, but at least bearable. So 1 for Eren, 2 for Mikasa, and 3 for Armin for a total of 6/10. Side char Levi is not much except an overpowered badass, which gets old after so many shounen. Jean has some development, but his overused monologue gets annoying after a while. Erwin is a legit char for being logical yet got guts, fit for being a leader. Other than those, the rest of char seem like exist to be titan chow, so not much. Hence subchar section 0.5 for levi, 0.5 for jean, 1 for erwin, and say 1 for another char(s) didn't cross my head, total 3/5, which gives a total score of 9/15 for character section Plot I give mark off for each thing that I don't find fit or things just bad. So here are the flaws, some major some minor. 1. That slow pacing gonna hurt the show alot -2 2. That super annoying and pointless flashback that serves no purpose whatsoever except making the pacing even slower. -1 3. Overuse of goreservice. Like fanservice, if there are to much of it, it just gets pointless and annoying. "oh yay... another 1 dead oh joy....." -1 4. Deus ex and asspulls. Those hyper plotarmor and deus ex hurt this show as much as other shows with them. -2 So its score is now down to 9/15 unless you want me to go on and find more flaws Music: 3 point for quality and 2 for impression The 1st opening and the insert music are good, but 2nd opening and the ending fails to deliver. 2/3 The song barely leave impressions on me at all, but I'm feeling nice and giving it 1/2. Total 3/5 for music Art: pure subjective cause I don't really like alot of the art element. 3/5 Enjoyment: not that great 4/10, thanks to the slow plot, Eren, plot hole, Eren, overused goreservice, eren.... and EREN. Total score: 28/50 Hence final verdict OVERRATEDDD. |
leiwu1991Oct 17, 2013 4:00 PM
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
| So, I guess that means you enjoyed it but don't agree with its current placing on MAL. My thoughts exactly. I did enjoy the show for its concept and atmosphere. The simplistic plot of human vs. titan in a battle for survival may be trite to some, but I found it intriguing enough to not be bored (unlike most shows these days, which tend to bore me quickly). As for the characters, with the exception of Eren, I liked most of the other characters. Mikasa, Levi, Irwin, Sasha, and Jean are particularly fun characters. Here's a rough breakdown of my individual scores for this show, using the so called "objective scale" the person above me likes to call it. :3 Plot - 10/15 A number of flaws really hurt it; leiwu1991's summary covers most of them. Still, depending on how much you focus on these flaws, you might not mind them as irritating as others would. Character - 11/15 Eren often comes across as a angry brat, but one can't overlook the fact that he lost his mother right in front of his eyes, and thus, his behaviour is hardly unreasonable; then we have Mikasa -- the caring sister, who can be seen as Eren's guardian angel; next we have armin, the brain of the group. All three of these characters have traits that complement one another. I don't have any specific issues about the characters -- I think they're all interesting in their own unique ways, albeit none of them are especially great, either. Sound - 4/5 Pretty self explanatory, I think. The voice acting is consistent and the music is always pleasant. The first opening song is especially awesome for me. Animation - 4.5/5 Other than the few cases where they used too many still scenes, the animation in general is just fantastic. Honestly, the 3DMG scenes are brilliantly animated and the production value is consistently top notch. Probably one of the best animation in any action shounen. Enjoyment - 7.5/10 Despite a few parts where I found the pacing to be unnecessarily slow, my overall impression of this show is definitely great. When it comes to battle shounen, deux ex machina and asspulls are almost bound to show up, so these didn't detract from my enjoyment of the show too much. What I hate the most from shounen nowadays is how much needless fanservice they like to throw at the audience for no good reason -- SnK deviates from the norm and mainly focuses on the story at hand, which to me is a breath of fresh air. Total score: 37/50 It may be overrated by the mass, but it's still a legit show provided that one looks at it fairly. It's often easy to find mistakes when you actively look for them. |
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| pfff go look for mistakes in game 4 I challenge you |
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
| Lol Shingeki is so overhyped on mal that its spinoff manga before the fall received 2 separate individual subforum in the manga series section. WHAAAAA? |
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
| They are just milking the series at this point. It happens to a lot of popular shows. |
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| actually i dont get the very basic of that manga ... meaning , its still confusing for me if AOT is a sci fi or mythological thriller , shonen or seinen .if you look what makes it super hit you will find constant surprises mixed with some survival of the fittest theme ( some of them are so unbelievable that it seems ass pull ) ... and i dont like if some thing gets so popular without even addressing the basic or setting proper reasonable background ...seems deceiving (but entertaining to some ) to me ... its good to have "out of no where surprises " but you have to establish the ground to make them believable . the world building , titans , how , from where , why --- if you dont have proper answers for that you can't establish a well thought out setting ... all those surprises will seem lame if we find out that titans are genetic experiment gone haywire or etc etc (which am sure we have all seen plenty of stories / books / movies of these types )...actually i dont find any good background in AOT where everything is so realistic but the titans are the only odd subject . because i cant explain them in a seinen like setting by science , nor myth ... come on man what type of world is that ? if you are writing a fantasy (either seinen or shonen) put more elements to establish the genre...or at least foreshadow it ... i have read 50+ chapters of that manga ...all i get is constant surprises ... the heck with these surprises if they cant justify the ending ( i dont see any possible and reasonable ending that will satisfy me about the origins of titans ) ...maybe its just me...but its really high time mangaka should focus on the main story of AOT and tell us a good explanation worthy of its fame ... otherwise all of these surprises are lame for me... so until the proper time comes to judge AOT ...yeah its overrated and certainly still early to be on top 10 in mal... |
headless_nickDec 4, 2013 8:02 AM
| Overrated in the sense that it's rated too high. Not necessarily a bad shounen, though. |
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shizwizard said: Overrated in the sense that it's rated too high. Not necessarily a bad shounen, though. Thank you captain obvious |
| "His (Lancer's from fate zero) end is also very anticlimactic. I mean as soon as he gets betrayed, he kills himself, and yeah." ---- Rorico's Hipster Gang |
| I personally found it great though it's pretty freaking hyped as well. If the hype were to decrease, I would definitely not call it overrated. It is a bit overrated but unlike certain other hype shows *cough* Guilty Crown and SAO *cough*, it does meet up to it's hype. The characters are a bit weak at first but with the recent manga chapters the characterization is improving quite a bit, especially for certain supporting characters. I'll leave it at that to prevent spoiling you guys. |
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